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John: I received a rather terse note from you accusing me of vandalism. I have no idea whatsoever what it is you're talking about. You did not specify which entry material it was that you considered vandalous. I am trying my best to figure out how to add quality, scholarly and critical comnentary to Misplaced Pages Encyclopedia, and I find the process absolutely daunting. I welcome any procedure by Misplaced Pages to verify my identity, professional qualifications, etc, in order to qualify for contributing to the database. Perhaps you mistook me for someone else. Take care. Gverstraete (talk) 18:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Gerrit Verstraete AOCA, BFA

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User:Jake Wartenberg/centijimbo

Have you taken a look at Portal:Scientology/Wikimedia?

The logo's for each image are extremely expanded. I saw that you were the first one to edit it; but it's been messed up since that time. I think you should take a look at it. Lighthead 0:21, March 25 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm not even part of that project but I was just browsing... Lighthead 0:32, March 25 2008 (UTC)

Time Times (2008-04)

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Article about Khomeini

This article has been written by an agent of mullahs! There is not even one sentence on mass execution of political prisoners by Khomeini! There is nothing on violation of women's rights e.g. compulsory hijab. Female judges were forced to give up their jobs such as Shirin Ebadi...in islamic court, mullahs consider 2 women equal to one man! women can't even have an operation without the permission of their father/husband!

mullah even banned western music!

mullahs hang homosexuals & stone those who commit adultery!

those who convert from islam to any other religion will be executed!

Khomeini was behind the Cinema Rex fire, which led to the death (burning alive!) of approx. 500 people! most of your references are biased, they are taken from the islamic regime's sources e.g. poetry!! Khomeini couldn't even speak properly, let alone writing a poem!

List of heads of Serbian Orthodox Church

I rename this article and I will add references. I have some questionst about it: 1. does references on Serbian language are good as references on English. I ask it because there is much more literature on Serbian church on Serbian than on any other language. 2. how many references are best for lists (one reference for every line or something different)?

AfD nomination of Garrison Courtney

Garrison Courtney, an article that you contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. The nominator does not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Garrison Courtney. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns.

Comment on WikiProject organization

Rather than post on the WikiProject I thought I would bring my comment directly to you. I have found that the better functioning projects have strong editors/administrators who actively work at organizing and maintaining the project. Military is a great example to use because they have coordinators assigned not just to the Project, but to each of its Task Forces/Work Groups. I think you may find yourself frustrated trying to set up a similar structure in the Christianity project with so many different opinions and personalities. I wish you all the best because it is long over due; I just hope you don't get frustrated in the effort. -- Absolon S. Kent , 11:58, Friday, January 24, 2025 (UTC)

lowercase people

Alright, I wont mess with it anymore. I just got a little upset that people categorized lowercase people as a "Christian" organization, which it primarily isn't.

Editing Barnstar

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Mentioned you at this ANI thread I opened on myself. Feel free to stay out of it, if you want to, but wanted you to know I had brought up your name. Hiberniantears (talk)

Charles G. Koch

Thanks for weighing in. If you peruse Bonewah's talk page, you will note regular accusations of opinion oriented editing. My sense is Bonewah doesn't like character assassination but such is difficult when the subject has no character. Quoting Palast is quoting one of the more reliable sources available but there is also reference to the story when it was carried by CBS News which I included. Bonewah specifically doesn't like the word "giggle", s/he said so. S/he also thinks Truthout is a "fringe" news outlet. Certainly it doesn't have the charm of Fox News but, not influenced by corporate interests, it is one of the few major news outlets we have left. I have asked Greg Palast to provide me with an ironclad reference to the "giggle" comment. I also asked him for permission to use the quote. Whether he will answer or not, I do not know. I believe that this information is important as a more complete portrait of a person who has put his name on a number of things with some pocket change and, as someone said on the talk page "How can we talk this way about a great American businessman." Sigh. Having money still means morally correct to a large number of Americans. As I pile proof on this, Bonewah will come up with even further out comments, I believe. I understand that you are very busy and have much on your plate but, even so, I ask you to actually investigate what Bonewah's objections really are and the comments s/he has received from others with the same complaint that I have. Thank you. I have included my Koch material below.

Coordinator Election

Hi John: you probably have this in hand, but can we do anything to drum up some more interest in the coordinator election. AFAIK we currently have 2 candidates (one for lead, one for assistant) and a total of 2 votes cast. NBeale (talk) 20:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Let me get the newsletter out, and with any luck maybe we can get something done. I'm not really optimistic about additional candidates myself, but we can hope and pray for the best. John Carter (talk) 22:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Even if they don't want to be candidates it would be nice if people voted. It would give a warm feeling that people were supportive.NBeale (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Can I help in any way? NBeale (talk) 21:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Advice

Hi John, I'm a new editor here. I have been having some issues in my attempts to contribute to Misplaced Pages. I have been working with others to improve the Same-sex marriage article. Several editors there have accused me of biased POV edits (while Wikipedian User:David_Shankbone has said that I am "doing an admirable job of tempering bias"), which I would guess is not unheard of on controversial articles. I was recently blocked for breaking 3RR for reverting controversial edits that did not achive consensus before they were added (which I realise was a warranted admin action and next time I will be more carefull). More than one editor has made personal attacks on me, and I believe one is currently (borderline) Wikihounding me. Also, editors have attempted to block the inclusion of sources such as peer-reviewed academic journals because they disagree with the POV in the articles (I have seen blogs and Fox news used as sources here. In grad school peer-reviewed journals were great. Not here?). I'm not too familiar with the rules here yet. Any advice would be great. Thanks in advance.Ragazz (talk) 06:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

What are the policies regarding wp:agf on user talk pages? Also, are users allowed to collude to prevent another editor from contributing? Is there a line as far as which wild accusations can be made here?Ragazz (talk) 00:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I am having trouble with constantly being signed-out accidentally, and my IP address showing after my edits and posts. Even when I still try to be careful, this sometimes happens. Is there anything I can do to avoid this? Also, is there some way to consolidate/transfer all prior posts/edits from my IP to my user profile? All of those posts/edits done after I created my account were intended to be done while I was signed in, but I keep getting bumped-off for some reason.Ragazz (talk) 21:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

There may be a sock puppet IP editor (24.6.46.170) at the pagesHistory of same-sex unions and Same-sex marriage. They are adding infammatory tags to their edits such as "Removed false statements by an apparently biased Christian."Ragazz (talk) 17:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

user:historyguy1965 has been consistently ignoring the consensus process. This has caused several edit wars apparently, at least one that I'm aware of. Here is a recent example where I attempted to point this out to him, with links to the example. Here are some comments he made that violated WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. My problem is of course not with his edits per se, but the manor in which he is making them with total disregard to the consensus process. Please check out the situation. Thanks.Ragazz (talk) 01:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any advice as to how I could be handling things differently?Ragazz (talk) 00:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

user:historyguy1965 has accused me of harassment. Does this count as a personal attack?Ragazz (talk) 19:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Ownby's book

Could I ask you to please check the exact wording (p215) of his reading of 'Beyond the limits of Forbearance' which is cited in the 'self-immolation' article? I just want to make sure it is correct. Thanks, Ohconfucius (talk) 02:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• John, An editor has commented on the review page that it's not clear who said what ("call to arms" quote). As I haven't read the book, could you please help to make the Ownby quote more precise in the article? Thanks, Ohconfucius (talk) 17:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Saint Augustine

Dear John Carter,

In the Saint Augustine article page, under the heading "Conversion", his conversion is defined as to "Catholic Christanity".

This is incorrect, as so many have referred to in its talk page.

I'v asked for comments. Request for Comments, on his talk page.

His conversion was from a bad life; desolate living, to a good life. His Confessions contain the famous phrase:

"Late have I lived you, O Beauty so ancient and so new; late have I loved you! For behold you were within me, and I outside; and I saught you outside and in my ugliness fell upon those lovely things that you have made....."

Confessions Bk 27.

May this be changed soon as, as it is, it is misleading.

Saint Augustine's page is a major entry.

MacOfJesus (talk) 17:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Dear John Carter,

I'v left a suggestion at the talk page of Saint Augustine. (In my work situation I meet people who quite proudly claim Saint Augustine as their ancient ancestor! From his desolate life!)

MacOfJesus (talk) 17:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Dear John Carter,

I'v left some pointers and suggestions on the talk page of Saint Austin. His conversion came in destinct stages. And unfortunately our predecessors deleated the "ugliness" phrase, for fear of insulting someone. So:

1. His conversion from a desolate life.

2. His acceptance of being "without the sweets of those toys!"

3. His finding the peace of an interior blessed life.

4. His becoming a priest and bishop.

I think there is great value in adding extra to the "Conversion" paragraph on the article page.

MacOfJesus (talk) 13:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Uganda

Guten Abend Herr Carter. I was wondering if you do kind of what you used to do with Uganda and assess and project tag articles. I've noticed a high number of Ugandan articles like Kitgum are not tagged or assessed and when there are editors like User:Fsmatovu writing them it is difficult to keep. I don't know if your health will permit you to do so but your help in assessing Ugandan articles would be greatly apprecated. Hope you are well Himalayan 21:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Sounds great, glad to hear you are better. I have been worried about you for a long time, same as SHahid has. Sarvagnya? LOL I'd forgotten he existed, low life nasty piece of work wasn't he! Yes the thing is though our coverage of Kuwait at present is a tiny percentage of what could or should be! I expanded an article on Al Jahra the other day, most of the other towns are one liners unfortunately. I've been managing to sort out svg maps though for places like this and Saudi.If you could put it on your todo list this would be awesome, it would probably surprise you more how many ugandan articles we now have! Himalayan 22:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks interesting... Himalayan 17:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Additions to List of new religious movements

At List of new religious movements, can we please keep the additions to the same formatting - and also not add additions simply to the book's title, but also include page numbers for each entry please? Cirt (talk) 16:18, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Sounds great! :) I explained a bit more at the talk page of why this is important, especially on a controversial topic like this one, to have individual cites, and page numbers. The current format allows for this. Cirt (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Occupation of the Baltic states

Hi!

Can you please restore the page of the rejected mediation cabal Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Occupation of the Baltic states so it would possible to present it as evidence in the ongoing ArbCom case about the EE mailing list . Thank you.--Dojarca (talk) 20:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Moving discussion to your talk page, or mine if you wish

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Ouch, sorry for misreading earlier. I guess the answer to that would be how much weight to give the various Chinese officials who have described it as a "cult". My guess is that, in the west, including academics, it is perceived primarily as a fringey new religion, but not necessarily as a cult. The question then becomes how much weight to give the allegations out of China regarding its effect there. One of the points in defining a cult is unquestioning regard for the words and actions of its leader, and certainly Falun Gong members seem to follow Li almost to the letter, according to what I read in Ownby, anyway. I think the defining characteristic of the term when it is used in a perjorative sense is whether being an adherent of the school is damaging to the individual. There are numerous allegations in China of such damage, generally put out by the government there. The devotion its adherents give it could be seen as being indicative of that as well. So, I guess, from what little I've seen, the people in the west apparently think it possesses some of the characteristics we associate with "cults", but not demonstrably to the degree that would justify use of that word. Most other religions fall in the same general grouping as well. I think the west also tends to discount the statements out of China in general, which I think throws out most of that data. So, probably, a group with uniformly highly devoted members, yes, a cult, no. John Carter (talk) 18:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

John I think you are not fair regarding "One of the points in defining a cult is unquestioning regard for the words and actions of its leader, and certainly Falun Gong members seem to follow Li almost to the letter, according to what I read in Ownby ... The devotion its adherents give it could be seen as being indicative of that as well." simply because if we were to generalize this broadly, we could just as well start to argue that we are cult members just because we spend over 2h almost daily on Misplaced Pages, and speculate that the editors must have an irregular family life, back problems, eye problems, etc...

Why would anyone in his right mind want to start speculation like that? For one we are not forced to edit Misplaced Pages, the same is true for the people who practice, we find it meaningful to edit here, so do they.

The Chinese governments label as a cult is not based on any science, cases of practitioners who died of illness is not correlated with the general illness factor in the country. This is something very normal when the label is used just as a propaganda tool. Based on that I would accord near zero academic value to what the PRC says. Of course, I might have a POV, but if you have better reasoning on why the PRC's label should be given more academic value, please state it. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 18:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Please read the cult page, where extreme devotion to the words or actions of a leader is in fact listed as being one of the characteristics of cults, in the "According to secular opposition" section. John Carter (talk) 19:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Please read it again. To be a cult is way more complex then that. To quote completely your source: "A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it, etc) designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community." The point is that to be a cult it has to be coercive. Do you agree? --HappyInGeneral (talk) 19:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Also thank you for answering the question, now I guess this discussion is for the sake of broadening our understanding. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 19:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

You did see where I said at the end that it seems that it probably doesn't meet the definition of "cult", but that it possesses several of the characteristics of them, right? Most religions do possess several of those characteristics, but aren't cults. Personally, I think given the comparative newness of this group, and its circumstances, it is probably not unreasonable for an uninformed person to raise the question of whether it is or is not a cult, but that the evidence available doesn't support particularly well the contention that it is a cult. John Carter (talk) 19:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

" copy out from here .

Hi John, I think it is best to move the discussion, so we don't clutter that page. Basically what I don't understand is why do you insist on pointing to this cult like characteristics since that is such a broad generalization that even a chess club might satisfy it. As I see it the main characteristic, without which there is no point in comparing anything to a cult, is if it is or not coercive. Do you agree? --HappyInGeneral (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

LTNS!

Hey John, I gots a question. Do you know a quick way to find out if an article has been deleted? If so, let me know please. Joshua Ingram 22:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Mainstream Media. Could you look for me please? Joshua Ingram 22:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, man. Any reason you know of why there is someone reverting it after I've finished it? Look here when you get a chance. Thanks, bro. Joshua Ingram 00:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, bro. It was my fault. Still, thanks for the help.Joshua Ingram 00:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

HELP

John, I'm in need of your admin services--I was searching for an article about the Roman Catholic Diocese of Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, without success, so I decided to create one. I found a fair amount of information and swatted one together, when(to my horror) I realised that I had misspelled the word Catholic in the title(Cathoic-I had input the wrong spelling in the search). I tried a move, but then discovered that there was a page titled Roman Catholic Diocese of Ciudad Juárez, all of about 4 lines worth. The one that I did( Roman Cathoic Diocese of Ciudad Juárez ) is infinitely better than the pre-existing article-Can you help? Muchas Graz,--Lyricmac (talk) 01:31, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

That would be best, since you had moved the narrative over to Roman Catholic Diocese of Ciudad Juárez. The mis-spelled article is rather superfluous now, I guess. Thanks a bunch.--Lyricmac (talk) 13:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Just ..

Thank you! ;) — Ched :  ?  23:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. What he said. Lara 00:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't normally do this, but...

Hello John Carter, Unitanode has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Kazakhstan

I don't want to open up an old can of worms, but I'm not sure why you're suddenly toying with the WikiProject Central Asia template and adding material for a Kazakhstan WikiProject. Note that the WikiProject Kazakhstan you created has only three members (one of which is you), that no one has joined for over a year and a half, and that it is currently listed as inactive. Also, there was never a concensus reached that having a seperate WikiProject for Kazakhstan would be useful (as opposed to one for Central Asia in general, since so many articles/themes overlap with other countries in the region). If you feel the situation has changed, please start a new discussion at the talk page of WikiProject Central Asia, since, per the last discussion about this, such edits are you are doing now we deemed not necessarily helpful. Otebig (talk) 17:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC) +

WikiProject Zoroastrianism Notice!

Behavior Reply

First off, whether or not you believe this I do appreciate you taking the time to give me that advice on my page. I just have one problem, how do you deal with people who have such an obviously biased POV? The editor I'm usually at war with does things I have no idea how to handle. For example, when someone inserts a 'clarify' tag next to something like 'same-sex marriage' how else can you reply? What's worse is when they do this, say, 6 days earlier it may go unnoticed by other editors, however when I take notice and revert it to it's original wording all the sudden he'll revert it and say "take it to talk" - well excuse me, you MADE that change without going to talk first and now all the sudden I have to achieve a consensus on the previous consensus? I love[REDACTED] in so many ways, but I just hate the way that controversial articles are sometimes based on an editors POV rather than the facts at hand -- Historyguy1965 (talk) 03:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to interupt here, but I can't resist.

1) I did consult the talk page. It's all there, although some of it's archived now. There is currently a careful discussion as to what the article should call "same-sex marriage" in ancient history. Were you unaware of this, or did you just feel that discussing the issue with others was a waste of your time becasue you're right?

2) A new anon IP editor came in and made all kinds of changes a few days ago without consulting talk. Because of how it was done with multiple edits, rebuilding the section was a headache. David and I had a dialogue going, that you didn't bother to check, evidently. There was a clear conflict between editors, so I inserted some temporary neutral wording, so as to not have to delete the entire passage. Your implication that I snuck in and made changes without consulting talk is 100% off base.

3) As for the citation tags, why do you constantly remove them without consulting talk? They should stay until there is a consensus to remove them. Once you removed a clarification tag, and replaced it with a reference to Webster's dictionary. Seriously? Was that sarcastic? You remove citation tags and give the reason "what are these doing here?" Why not take it to talk first? These actions are highly counterproductive.

4) The entire conflict is based on this change that you made without consulting the talk page. I have seen several editors call you on this behavior. Don't explain an edit in the tag on the history page (and obviously when it involves content, as it did here). Explain it on the talk page, before you make it. Especially on a highly controversial topic.

5) So you say I'm inserting biased POV everywhere. Then why is it that the serious editors on there (David, Nat, Yobmod, Tommy, etc.) have no problems working with me? Because I have learned to take it to the talk page and work towards a consensus.Ragazz (talk) 08:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks John, appreciate the reply. Apologies that he's brought the argument into your talk, he sort of has a tendency to follow me and simply disagree. I will not continue it here -- Historyguy1965 (talk) 18:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

RfC

- it is now ready if you want to certify so it can be official. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

• Please don't certify this nonsense, John. It's little more than drama-mongering. UnitAnode 05:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Ottava's to be certified? Long overdue. --Joopercoopers (talk) 10:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

A bit confused, honestly. Users who certify a dispute are expected to have attempted to resolve the dispute ("at least two editors must have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and tried but failed to resolve the problem.") Could you define exactly what the "dispute" in question is, and what exactly you have done to resolve the problem, paying specific notice to the fact that the evidence section you have certified mentions the user in question but once, and only to show that they interacted with a sockpuppet. Hipocrite (talk) 17:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I have contested your certification of the Bishonen RFC. As you may be aware, certifiers of an RFC are required to provide evidence that they tried and failed to resolve the dispute prior to the filing of the RFC. No diffs of your attempts to resolve the dispute were provided. If you cannot provide evidence of your attempts to resolve the dispute, I will strike your certification. Thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Please note that unless you or someone else can provide a diff of you (or them) attempting to resolve a dispute with Bishonen, the RFC will be deleted in 36 hours. Hipocrite (talk) 04:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Bad block

John, assuming good faith, it’s entirely possible that your recent display of incompetence and admin tool abuse was simply an oversight. Issuing a block so you could have the last word is a pretty shameful example of bullying. I hope you sure more maturity in the future.

Even though you refused to correct your action, egos are such fragile things, I’m willing to forgive and forget. To err is human.

Please keep an eye on Sarek and make sure he leaves Otter alone. Stalking and hounding from an admin involved in content disputes with a good faith editor when the same admin is engaging in enforcement actions towards the editor is totally unacceptable. That Sarek continued to flaunt common sense and decency immediately after the ANI report by pursuing Otter to a new venue is particularly outrageous.

If you’d like to help (instead of hurt) efforts to rein in the harassing trolling that goes on here, I encourage you to keep an eye on Tarc, Mathsci, and WMC. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Xenu

Hi John, I would be grateful if you might be able to mediate between Cirt and myself at Talk:Xenu#Revert_regarding_what.2C_according_to_Hubbard.2C_is_designed_to_cause_pneumonia. For whatever reason, Cirt and I seem to be talking past each other a little. Cheers, --JN466 19:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

RfC shenanagins

The referral is to this which in turn refers to this and this. Fainites scribs 21:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

• Once you post there and ask, and you can ask why she defended Geogre when he was edit warring and the rest knowing that he had a sock puppet in the dispute, then there is beyond a doubt no more technical problems that they are using to justify their games. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion about the RfC

If you examine the requirements of certifying an RfC, you'll notice that you have to have been directly involved in trying to resolve the dispute. As you were not so-involved, you should probably remove your invalid certification. UnitAnode 20:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Which is 100% false, as John was involved in trying to settle the edit warring, which Bishonen contributed to. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry about the "no email" thing, John. I can understand why you'd want to discuss it privately (see directly above me here), but I prefer to keep Misplaced Pages discussions on-Wiki. UnitAnode 20:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Why are you so rude?

Why do you keep on reverting me? Realist01 (talk) 10:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have just blocked "Realist01". -- Hoary (talk) 12:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Microstates wikiproject

Please think twice before adding the microstates wikiproject template to popes that predate Pius XI. Vatican City was only created in 1929. It's a bitch of a stretch to apply it to medieval popes, as you did here. Savidan 02:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

So are there any articles currently tagged with WikiProject Catholicism that you wouldn't tag with the microstates project? I'm fine with you tagging buildings and artworks within Vatican City, but tagging every pope, including some who probably reigned from the Lateran, not the Vatican, seems excessive. Savidan 14:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Canonical criticism

I saw that you made a comment a while suggesting that we have this article, which I've just started. StAnselm (talk) 03:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Xenu II

Hi, if you could look in again at the talk page of our favorite galactic overlord; I reworded the proposal following your comment. I think what we have at the moment is still a bit clunky, but I am open to suggestions. --JN466 12:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Edittools

What fixed your problem? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  15:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Baasically, I copied the edittools page linked to into my own, blank, edittools page. And that seemed to have worked. I'm guessing the fact that the page was blank up until then might have had something to do with it, but I honestly don't know enough about this to be sure. John Carter (talk) 15:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

User:John Carter/edittools.js was not blank, it did not exist unit you created it. Even then, it is not called by User:John Carter/monobook.js, so it isn't doing anything. Did you try anything else? I'm thinking that we need a Help page on edittools, and I am in an information gathering phase. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  16:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You may have a point. What I did was copy the name tha the monobook page was copied from, and, then pasted it onto the equivalent name for my page and purged the cache. The only other thing I did was create a similar page at MediaWiki, because that's where the copied page was. That's it basically. I suppose it's possible purging the cache had something to do with it, but I can't imagine how, as I'd done that before regarding other matters after trying to change the edittools, and got no results. I wish I knoew more, and having an instruction page would probably help, but that's all I know. Sorry. John Carter (talk) 16:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Please

As I posted to Malleus to ignore your comments, please just ignore him. There is no way for it to go but down, and the comments were not worth enough on either side to merit the strife. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Commenting on Giano

Your comments about Giano on Mattisse's talkpage go beyond unhelpful. It feeds her perceptions of persecution and doesn't assist her in moving past her problems in any way. She needs blunt honesty -- not attacks, just honesty -- not coddling. UnitAnode 16:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as how your earliest contribution is 21 March 2009 and you weren't around for the disputes or the history, you really have no understanding of what Mattisse needs. Unless, of course, you want to claim that you had a previous account. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Your input here was completely unnecessary. I was addressing John, not you. UnitAnode 23:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Your comment was about Mattisse, and it has been clear that you have crossed the line. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Note

Hi. Sorry to edit through the protection you've placed, but please see this thread involving you. Regards, –Juliancolton |  02:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Per PPol, please don't protect user talk pages, unless absolutely necessary. Since talk pages are the primary means of communication, fully protecting your talk page leaves the vast majority of editors unable to contact you in the usual way, and semi protection leaves all new users - the ones who are most likely to need help - unable to contact you. Since only one editor was the reason for protection, blocking is a better course of action. If blocking isn't appropriate, neither would protection be. Prodego 03:08, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

You did see the note at the top of the page, right? It's been there since the "Yo to the Nympho!!!" repeated vandalism at the end of the last school year. John Carter (talk) 03:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks though for your handling of the situation after the fact. Many lesser administrators would have postured that they were within their rights to keep the page protected, effecting much unnecessary dramaz in the process. Instead, your conduct was becoming of an admin. Cheers, HiDrNick! 03:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

^What he said :) Equazcion (talk) 03:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

An official warning from me. . Please don't call anyone dictatorial, unless they happen to be a dictator, in which case the adjective is likely apt. Thanks for your understanding -- Samir 03:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Was peeking at ANI and figured you could use a pleasant diversion. Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Tinucherian is ready for you when you get a chance. FWIW and not saying it's right, I've protected my talk page for far less (but then again, I'm also impulsive, shallow and not the brightest chicken in the sea). Kind regards -- Samir 03:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Cool down?

Hi John. I've watched the last few hours of comments between you and Unitanode on various talk pages. I really think that you misunderstood Unitanode's comments/motivations/etc and have overreacted, and you've both gotten upset enough to escalate this far beyond what it ought to have been. At the very least, I did not interpret his/her comments in the same way that you did, and I encourage you to assume good faith and let it go. The current situation is not reflecting well on either of you. Karanacs (talk) 03:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC) P.S. Like Unitanode, I also interpreted Mattisse's comments on the monitoring page as her encouraging others to move the thread to the talk page. I would have made the same edit he/she did if Unitanode hadn't gotten there first. Karanacs (talk) 03:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

That edit actually wasn't the problem. It was his explicit and implicit unquestioned assumptions regarding the actions of others, including me and you, his demand that I withdraw criticism of him because he wouldn't accept that, etc. And, no, there had been several questions in my mind regarding why this individual whose own ignorance of the situation didn't in any way affect his certainty that he was right, and his insistence that others observe rules he didn't have to, caused me to have substantial questions regarding his conduct and his motivations for some time. John Carter (talk) 13:02, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Please stop repeating your bad-faith assumptions about me, John. I've asserted over and over that I don't have any mysterious, hidden motivations regarding Mattisse. You keep implying that I do. How is this acceptable from anyone, more or less an administrator? I'm asking you once again to quit making such implications. UnitAnode 13:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Part of letting a situation cool down is letting someone talk about it freely, Unitanode. Just because John is describing his feelings on the situation doesn't mean he's making accusations. He's not recommending any action against you. Please allow him to discuss this unencumbered. Equazcion (talk) 15:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

my RFA

-- Tinu Cherian - 10:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom clarification on Mattisse's Plan

Request opened by Moni3 here. --Moni3 (talk) 16:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi John. When my wiki-spirit is flagging, I regularly return to posts others have made to try to revive my spirits. This is a wonderful motivational speech, and it has made my mental list of posts to re-read when I'm down. Thanks! Karanacs (talk) 02:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

I apologize. Irbisgreif (talk) 06:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

hi!

Yeah I remember you too. Lots of changes since that project! I moved from Toluca to Mexico City. I now work at the language laboratory coordinator so I dont teach classes. Have to say I miss that but I am busy redesigning the facility. I continue to write in Misplaced Pages partly to keep reading in Spanish and partly to get me off my butt and see things here in Mexico. Sort of use it as my travel log. I research and write about places I have been or plan to go, with occasional forays into other topics that catch my fancy. Been thinking about doing an article relating to Mexican folklore and/or mythology. I remember the folklore article one of my students wrote kind of sucks (ok really sucks). But I was still pretty new at Misplaced Pages myself. Hard part sometimes is sources. Weird but true. Libraries here are not as good as the States. Digital sources arent quite yet here either, and Im in the capital.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Found the lousy article Folktales of MexicoThelmadatter (talk) 02:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Olive branch

I regret that things have degenerated as they have. As I've worked out a system with SilkTork, the circumstance that caused the degeneration has, I think, been dealt with, and I hope that we can move forward productively from here. UA wishes you peace!

UA 20:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

'Persecution' AfD

John, it seems you typed one tilde too many. The signature's missing. Ohconfucius 13:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the keyboard on my laptop has been getting weird lately. Fixing. John Carter (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

A start on the ArbCom report

Here. SilkTork * 10:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

hogenakkal falls redirect .

hi ! saw u after a long time in hogenakkal falls topic on this redirect ... so nice to have you back ..... many thanks for your support ...good luck....kind regards .--Doctor muthu's muthu 10:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy John Carter's Day!

User:John Carter has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as John Carter's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear John Carter! Peace, Rlevse 00:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse: report and layout

Hi, John. At User talk:SilkTork/Report: SilkTork's drafting a report for ArbCom: and we've discussed the layout for an incident report and seem close to consensus. Would you like to check in and add your comments. ArbCom wants the report of recent events and the procedure & layout for future by Friday, so we really need to finalise and go public on Thurs. --Philcha (talk) 10:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Grundle discussion on ANI

Sorry to bug you. Could you explicitly clarify if your support for the ban includes, or excludes, talk pages? Just want to cover that base in case of any appeals. :) Thanks, Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Governors of American Samoa

As you're former account was a member of the American Samoa Work Group, I was wondering if you had any interest in helping to create articles on the governors of American Samoa. We are lacking quite a few, and the project would go faster with more contributors. Do consider helping out with the governors listed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/American politicians/Governors. Thank you and Cheers! Scapler (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Meher Baba Discussion Page

Dear John, like tremors that warn of an earthquake once again there are clear signs the discussion standards have slipped re the Glow article. please note the last comment by hoverfish. It is antagonostic and unhelpful. I will be reminding him that civility be used, but can you monitor please. --Jones.liam (talk) 09:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Vote Re CC origins and historians differing POV's

Hello John, sorry to bother you but we are having a vote on the Catholic Church page regarding whether or not to include the dispute among historians regarding the Church origins. Can you please come an give us your vote so we can come to consensus? Vote is taking place here Thanks! NancyHeise 03:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

District of Columbia

Since your post on 17 October, aside from my reply, there have been no further posts regarding the scope discussion. Would it be a good idea to make a Request for Comment to get the opinion of the wider community? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 14:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistani cinema

Since you already commented in Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Small Pakistan wikiprojects, you might want to comment also here. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Portal peer review request

Hello John, feel free to visit a review Misplaced Pages:Portal peer review/Gastropods/archive1 and have a nice reading. Thank you. --Snek01 (talk) 00:31, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Did I forget to thank you? ..

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed nearly unanimously with 174 in support, 2 in opposition and 1 neutral votes. Special thanks goes to RegentsPark, Samir and John Carter for their kind nomination and support. I am truly honored by the trust and confidence that the community has placed in me. I thank you for your kind inputs and I will be sincerely looking at the reasons that people opposed me so I can improve in those areas ( including my english ;) ). If you ever need anything please feel free to ask me and I would be happy to help you :). Have a great day ! -- Tinu Cherian - 10:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Template:AfricaProject

Hullo John. One of your edits to this template is being questioned on the talkpage; could I get you to review it and leave a comment? Thanks,  Skomorokh, barbarian  10:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Rollback

Hello John. Please could you grant me rollback rights? I am asking you because I notice you are on the list of admins willing to give rollback rights. Also because I have had some dealings with you previously and hopefully you would view me as someone essentially trustworthy. I have done occasional vandal reverts every now and again (and many non vandal reverts that I appreciate would not necessarily be rollback issues) but I am getting interested in working toward a bit of admin sometime in the future and I think that combating more vandalism with a bit of responsibility would be good for this. Polargeo (talk) 10:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I am looking forward to being able to use this however I'll have a good review of the criteria first. Polargeo (talk) 13:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Wikibooks and suchlike

I have been working on improving Misplaced Pages Poland-related coverage for years. I will admit I am not that active on Wikibooks. Are you talking about Misplaced Pages or Wikibooks project? Is it related to WP:MEA? One of my related projects is filling in the User:Piotrus/List of Poles. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. If you want to propose something on the Proposed Talk, you are more then welcome to do that. On the subjects of things that somebody may need to do if I am unable too, any suggestions who could help with this? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 05:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of American Evangelistic Association

The article American Evangelistic Association has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This seems to be advertising or promotion and notability of the organization has not been shown through third party sources. It has been tagged for sources and wikifying since March 2009.

While all contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Novaseminary (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Member?

Are you still willing to be an active member of my mentor/adviser panel? If so, would you be willing to offer your advise on User talk:SilkTork/Report? (I hope you are still willing!) Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 16:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Would you be willing to comment on what "title" you prefer, eg "mentor", "adviser" or some other? —mattisse (Talk) 22:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Greetings.

Hi.

Since you are one of the people who voted in favor of my recent topic ban, I invite you to participate in this discussion on my talk page. I am especially concerned that the people who supported my topic ban did not answer these particular questions that I repeatedly asked during the discussion of my proposed topic ban. I am very much interested in hearing your answers to these questions.

If you do not wish to participate in this discussion, you don't have to. If you wish to erase this comment from your talk page, you may do so. I will not post this message on your talk page a second time. This comment is meant as a request, and not a demand. Thank you.

Grundle2600 (talk) 13:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Meher Baba Silence Draft

John thanks for your continued interest and advice. Please see my draft on the MB talk page, and the comments following. I'd appreciate any input. --Nemonoman (talk) 15:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

RFA lessons

What's really amazing is that "acknowledgedly" actually returns 35,000 google results. I thought for sure you made it up. Equazcion (talk) 17:43, 1 Nov 2009 (UTC)

Have the time I do, actually. John Carter (talk) 17:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse report

Would you please read over User:SilkTork/Report#Draft_Final_Report and confirm (or otherwise) that you are content for this to be given as the requested report to ArbCom. SilkTork * 20:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Equatorial Guinea

Hi, I just signed up to collaborate on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Equatorial Guinea and just wanted to say hello. Bab-a-lot (talk) 22:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikicup, now that's an intresting and good idea to increase productivity, I like it. Good to see we now have an active Equatorial Guinea member. Hope you are well! Himalayan 16:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Request

As you probably know more about this than I do, could you take a look at WP:RSN and Talk:Rousas John Rushdoony? Should it be discussed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity? I agree that the article needs to be NPOV, but I don't see the recent edits as moving it in that direction and at the moment I've just refrained from replying at RNS because I'm more than a bit annoyed at some of the comments aimed at me and need to reflect more before replying. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 08:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki

Re:resignation

An important part of being an admin is having community's trust. I always expected that it was inevitable such trust would disappear, given my activity and topics I edit. While there is no serious evidence I have misued the mop and bucket (see here and my reply at the bottom of the section here)), my resignation (and in reality, this entire case) is not about evidence (FoF still have only one diff - linked above - on me...), but trust. I was always open to recall, and I consider three arbitrators asking for resignation enough to resign. Perhaps in the future the community will reevaluate the situation. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Admin help

I need some help with WP:HISTORYMERGE of User:Dagypt/Gender aspects of globalization in China and User:Angelalhan/Gender aspects of globalization in China to Gender aspects of globalization in China. It's one of my educational projects, and the students in this one have run into trouble with the idea of collaboratively working on one article, not to mention of the importance of the edit history both for the assessment and for GFDL... :) If you can do it, could you drop a note on article's talk page (which needs to be moved from User talk:Dagypt/Gender aspects of globalization in China) and student's talk pages about what you did and why? Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Try it :) Or perhaps you can ask at WP:AN for help? Somebody has to do it soon, and I cannot do it :( --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Your request for Uganda barnstar

Hi, John Carter! What do you think of this? ≈ Chamal  ¤ 09:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Andrea105Bot

Thanks :) - Kingpin (talk) 19:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Motion to reopen ArbCom case "Mattisse"

ArbCom courtesy notice: You have received this notice because you particpated in some way on the Mattisse case or the associated clarification discussion.

A motion has recently been proposed to reopen the ArbCom case concerning Mattisse. ArbCom is inviting editor comment on this proposed motion.

For the Arbitration Committee, Manning (talk) 03:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Referencing style

You see the style used at List of UFO religions? It is basically the same exact thing. :) Cirt (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop

As you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome.

For the Arbitration Committee,
Risker (talk) 08:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse

Hi John, I have given Mattisse a warning not to post any form of comment on another Misplaced Pages editor without first getting advice to make such a comment. I have started a discussion on G guy's talk page. Your views are welcome and requested. SilkTork * 09:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi

I did read your view at dab's RfC/U, and I don't want to discourage such offers. That said, I hope you will understand why users feel less inclined based on the collapsed part of my response. Regards, Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Telugu language

Could you add this to your watchlist, especially since dab's on a break. I just did a mass revert, and explained on the talk page. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 20:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I don't think Jaggi81 is a sockpuppet as tagged on his userpage. That user is from India, whereas this one edits from New Jersey (I think), but I could be wrong too, the only reason I came to the Telugu article was because of the RfC, so I don't know much about the "editors" on this one. -SpacemanSpiff 23:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Additions to List of new religious movements

Can you add the year, to keep it uniform with the other cites, instead of the title, to the in-line cites? Cirt (talk) 02:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

IP edits

I would like to AGF, but can you check to see if these edits by the IP are correct, at List of new religious movements? You have the source. ;) Cirt (talk) 23:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks like vandalism. Gave the IP a final warning. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 23:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pope Sixtus I

Not quite sure what was intended at Talk:Pope Sixtus I. Project Saint was deleted and Project microstate substituted. This seemed odd. Anyone but you, I would have reverted!  :) Student7 (talk) 17:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Lack of "C" class for Ethiopian articles

Yes, this is true. The reason for this is that (1) I'm the guy on whom the task of rating Ethiopia-related articles has fallen, by default; & (2) I'd rather spend my time improving articles than trying to figure out whether an article is correctly "Start", "C" or "B" class. (IMHO, I consider supporting the "C" class a drain on Misplaced Pages's increasingly limited resources.) If someone else wants to take over that chore, I'll withdraw my objection to that class. Best -- llywrch (talk) 17:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Concordat of 1925

I see that at Talk:Concordat of 1925 you added the WikiProject European Microstates banner. Is it used consistently on concordats? It seems a bit off topic to me, although I realize now there is no banner for Vatican. I do note that the European Microstates is not used on Talk:Vatican, nor on Talk:Holy See... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Thatcherism

Template:Thatcherism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Robofish (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Reply

I understand what you are saying but I can not out of principle accept blame for something I did not do. This really is unacceptable behaviour. That is harrassment, personal attacks and sidetracking. If I was in the wrong, I would not mind admitting. But I wasnt. I don't agree with the other persons warning either as far as being incivil. I reserve the right to defend myself when accused of somebody else. And when Shahid asks for proof, then at least he should demonstrate proof before accusing me. Would you not agree? Whether he is reminded of somebody else or not, is irrelevant. That is not proof but his personal opinion bordering on paranoia. I did not even know the guy before this dispute. I don't know yet how to add links or direct you to other discussions but the accusations against me are to be found. My objections too. I found the strong bias disturbing (I remove the message after reading which I can. So does Shahid. So that proves nothing). I also do not take sides or plan on asserting my view. Good god, I watch these movies. It was one of those things that are relevant to the article. Harmless too. Other options of resolution could have been: 1) I have seen on wikipedia, that when people see a citation is missing, they add a tag and if nobody responds within reasonable time one can remove the content and tag. Rather than blatantly removing something and issuing warnings (hostile to say the least) 2) Discussed the issue on the articles discussion's page and reaching a consensus of some sort (preferred) rather than just systematically deleting. I am new and I read[REDACTED] guidelines in small chunks when time allows. Today my time has been wasted in this dispute and the user has been opening the same discussions in several places. I think you must agree, that is not really sensible certainly in light of experience. Anyways, I am here only to share and gain knowledge. I did contact an admin but perhaps I should have gone straight to the request assistance page. I didn't know of it though. Hopefully this matter will resolve although I have been put off editing on here. Starrylight (talk) 20:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I understand but unfortunately and sincerely, I do not feel you can quote justify this case like that or even Shahid's behaviour which was and is out of line, and he does in fact owe me an apology for accusing me falsely. And I have gone through the criticism and warning that he removed from his talk page (history), and they appeared sensible and polite. But still, I played no part in them. Nothing justifies personal attacks of this nature as that too could fall under defamation of character, hotheaded or not. Basically it is insinuated that the person (me) is lying and not being truthful. That is harrassment and bad faith. And the burden of proof also applies to him too but was loudly missing and will remain missing as the I am just not the person he thinks I am. He threatened me with everything from warnings, blocks, to AIN and user checks. At no point did I stop him because I have nothing to hide. I see your concerns with regards to other parties' interests versus actual facts but I can't say that even crossed my mind. My edit is neither controversial or vandalism. Just a piece of information. Information anybody can dig up by googling or just watching the movies. Although i have no problems referencing my work, I have come to the conclusion that I can not edit here unless I want to encounter such gross attacks by one user. Unacceptable terms to me. I just don't need the headache. Starrylight (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Is there a place to combine these?

Running into a link for studybibleforum.com at Sons of God I've found links at Acts of Solomon, Prophecy of Ahijah, and Story of the Prophet Iddo -- all stubs. I'm wondering if (cleaned up) they should be merged into a larger article, presuming there is an appropriate one? Dougweller (talk) 08:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-canonical books referenced in the Bible would probably be the best place that I can see right now. John Carter (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

The problem I see is that calling them 'books' might be a stretch, as is it definite they all existed as such? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

We're not actually sure a lot of those books actually existed as separate books, depending on how we define "Book" in this case, but I do see quite a bit of reference to the Acts of Solomon in scholarly literature. The prophecies of Ahijah were being written down, whether as seperate "books" or not I don't know, and it and Iddo seem to receive enough scholarly discussion to at least be mentioned in the scholarly works. Whether they actually existed, or are short "books" like Habbakuk, or just alternate names for other works, we don't really know, but they are attested to and discussed enough to probably qualify as notable. John Carter (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you speedy delete Ofo language redirect?

Hi, could I possibly trouble you to speedy delete Ofo language (the redirect)? It seems to be occupying the space where Ofo Language should rightfully be, for consistency sake. Thanks, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 16:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

acculturation

You mean "enculturation." With all due respect, Slrubenstein | Talk 16:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Roll call for WikiProject Warriors

Airplaneman 03:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Talk:Nephilim

Thanks dude, my family's computers (but not mine) were all infected with a bunch of crap so I've been out of it all day. You handled that IP editor a lot better than I would have. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Glad I could help. Hope the computers are functioning. John Carter (talk) 23:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Crucifixion

John, I decided to come here because I feel bad that some of what I (inartfully) said in the RfC ended up sounding like it was directed at you, which it wasn't. A mob of the other people have been putting words in my mouth, and my temper was beginning to run short. I realize that I referred to UNDUE, and you had previously referred to it also, so it was logical that you thought I meant you. I didn't. I meant the people who are saying Idontlikeit because it doesn't fit their views of what is culturally important. And I really have agreed with you all along about increasing the amount of fine art coverage. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:55, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Enjoying your user page

Hi. I was enjoying your user page and I thought that the articles that you mentioned there could be the beginnings of a book on Misplaced Pages memorabilia by a wikpediaphile. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 17:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for positive comments about Brews Ohare on my talk page

I just noted that Brews is back, and I told him about your comment on my talk page. Let's see how he feels about your suggestions. Count Iblis (talk) 17:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:CarolineWH

John, just a quick note to say that I read your post on the above talk with interest and am probably speaking on behalf of most editors when I say that every point you made was bang on the mark, you summed up everything that every concerned editor has said on the multiple talks/noticeboards/investigations very well and it's just disappointing that the editor concerned is being awkward. A long time ago they appeared to have stopped taking any interest in productive discussion and I think your post is a well-articulated ending to a very sorry affair. raseaC 19:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Football in Argentina articles

Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Football in Argentina articles, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Football in Argentina articles and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Football in Argentina articles during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 14:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Attacks by Redheylin

John, after the ANI thread was closed by admin Jehochman with a warning to Redheylin (talk · contribs) against making unsupported attacks on other users, and after "final warnings" about said inappropriate behavior by admin Georgewilliamherbert to Redheylin - Redheylin continues to do so .

Redheylin (talk · contribs) has already received multiple final warnings from multiple admins. There was already a long ANI thread discussion which agreed that Redheylin has been inappropriate in making unsupported attacks. Further admin action is warranted here. Thoughts? Cirt (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Please see ANI. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 15:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

FYI

. And as you say it was a WP:NPA, perhaps further action is required? Cirt (talk) 18:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

And per WP:NPA, can you alter that subheader created by ChildofMidnight (talk · contribs)? Cirt (talk) 18:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Here we have a 2nd comment by ChildofMidnight, with claims not supported by anything, after your WP:NPA warning at the user's talk page . Cirt (talk) 18:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

CoM

Not sure if you want to read this or not, but I commented that he hadn't warned Georgewilliamherbert until after you told him you hadn't and he responded on my talk page. --Thejadefalcon_{The bird's seeds} 20:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

School and university projects

I saw your admin availability note in here, so here goes. Hopefully this is up your alley. As a new images patroller I have come across several new images uploaded for what I now know to be the part of the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Misplaced Pages Saves Public Art!. The issue is that some of these editors have been uploading images of modern US sculptures which are obviously derivative images of copyright works because there is no freedom of panorama for sculptures in the US per Commons:COM:FOP. I have tried to discuss this with some, with some success in some instances, but others just revert my deletion notices. In one instance I have been able to reduced the image use down from 10 to one image with a good fair-use rationale. I had tagged some images for speedy deletion as copyright violations but between my tagging and an admin review the editor added a fair-use rationale to each of about 10 images, so the admin refused the speedy, so now I have to go back and do a PROD which they will fail because they don't comply with all 10 WP:NFCC criteria. IMHO, they should just have been deleted at once, but I am not an admin, so it is easy to criticise! I thought it would be a good idea to post some FOP details as to what is acceptable and what is not. Would you agree with that and can you assist with valid deletions? I now realise tidying up after such project, by newbie and uninformed editors, can be quite a task. TIA Please drop me a talkback when you reply as I am not watching the page. ww2censor (talk) 22:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC) {I know comparatively little about images and copyright law, stupidly, but am willing to do what I know how to do. Can you give me some sort of indication of the images or users involved? John Carter (talk) 23:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks John, it's a pity you are not an image copyright expert. If I remember correctly all images by Kchattin were tagged for deletion by me under the FOP issue as used in The Herron Arch 1 and Weather Tower and the lead images have proper rationales and low resolution images, but everything else is improper use. NFCC only allows minimal use, i.e., one non-free image in an article. All images by Kchattin, except File:Weather Tower Proper Front Reduced.jpg and File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Left.JPG should be deleted. Maybe you can review these for a start. Most of the other articles linked in Template:IUPUIPublicArt suffer from the same FOP issue, AFAICS each article is being edited by one user. I'll watch this page for now. Thanks. ww2censor (talk) 23:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, I don't know any more about US copyright than the not very helpful Commons page - installed before 1923 is ok, and artist died before ???? (when?) also. Otherwise only FU. Johnbod (talk) 00:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Santa Claus, Arizona

Just curious, why is this article more in the scope of Christianity than anything else? Nyttend (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Your false accusations

Making false accusations is a clear cut civility violation and totally unacceptable. Please refactor. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

No, and please do not post on this page with your own gross misreprentations or other distortions again. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 01:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

As has been pointed out to you twice by me and several other editors, I did post a notice to Georgewilliamherbert. So you're statement that "You must notify any user that you discuss. CoM gave no such notice." is false. Posting false or dishonest statements and refusing to refactor them to correct the record to remove innaccuracies is a clear civility violation. I hope that further action won't be required to have you comply with our rules John Carter. Your abusive behavior is totally unacceptable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)