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| ::::::The focuses on Drsmoo's incivility towards me as advised after the first alert. Let's think positive thoughts Drsmoo will get a good mentor! ] (]) 16:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC) | ::::::The focuses on Drsmoo's incivility towards me as advised after the first alert. Let's think positive thoughts Drsmoo will get a good mentor! ] (]) 16:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC) | ||
| <backdent>This turned into ] to ban both me and Drsmoo from article. I think it needs to be a lesson to us all to go to Wikiettiquette alert the first time there is any intimation of accusations of antisemitism, instead of giving the person a break and trying to work it out with them ad nauseum. | |||
| Of course, when there are several people pulling these numbers on an article, it can even be worse, especially if it leads to the (relatively) innocent being banned with the guilty. | |||
| So maybe we need a sub-section in the "dealing with disputes" section of the main ] page about this growing issue of bad editors (be they random or organized) aggravating the heck out of other editors. Just to make editors aware so they don't get sucked into stupid battles (as I did). And perhaps as a second project, a way to document this has happened in articles/ANIs/Arbitration Enforcement so that this can be reflected in relevant Misplaced Pages dispute resolution pages for education of editors and admins. Thus avoiding the ] of some articles as described below. Anyway, I'll make concrete proposals soon at the main page talk ] - unless someone wants to beat me to it :-). ] (]) 15:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Israeli POV pushing at Israeli wine
Israeli POV pushing at Israeli wine: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Israeli_wine&action=historysubmit&diff=321387082&oldid=321349463
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Golan_Heights_Winery&action=historysubmit&diff=321385570&oldid=321349014 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Nothing wrong with the second diff, the first is a problem though (your edit is not great either). nableezy - 17:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Gilad Atzmon again
Discussed on talk page, Sections 10, 11, 12 and Misplaced Pages:BLPN#Gilad_Atzmon the noticeboard.
The article was protected for six months after Atzmon complained to[REDACTED] about those who want to use all his most outrageous statements in WP:OR/synth way to smear him who had been edit warring with more NPOV editors for a couple months. It's been open again and one editor is back at it. It's just about the only article he's edited over last 8 months or so. We may be down to whether or to use one or two quotes (since other editor wants them out of context). I put up a 3RR complaint today when he did it again. Anyway, those who want to help keep these bios NPOV, feel free to get involved. CarolMooreDC (talk) 20:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- A person complaining about their wiki entry has no bearing on the content of the article. This is an encyclopedia, not an advertisement. Secondly, the article was locked to keep the above editor from removing noteworthy segments from it, which she had been doing constantly. It was locked with those segments in the article. She has promptly resumed deleting them again now that an admin has unlocked the article (and then argued with the admin for not agreeing with her). Her current argument is that statements discussed in The Times and The Guardian and not notable sources, or somehow NPOV. With the circular reasoning being that because they criticize the subject, they are therefore "biased" against him, and can not be in the article. So far no one has agreed with this editor, but she is going from noticeboard to noticeboard, until she finds someone who will actually take her side. Drsmoo (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages doesn't like to encourage subjects to go around suing editors, because enough such suits might reflect badly on the board members. You can give you absurd interpretation of reality, but as I noted elsewhere, this is the silliness that NPOV editors on the article have to put up with:
- Your edit here using this vitriolic opinion piece by Nick Cohen just compares Atzmon to a Nazi. Just the kind of thing this Collaboration (not to mention WP:BLPN) is supposed to deal with. CarolMooreDC (talk) 20:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages doesn't like to encourage subjects to go around suing editors, because enough such suits might reflect badly on the board members. You can give you absurd interpretation of reality, but as I noted elsewhere, this is the silliness that NPOV editors on the article have to put up with:
- A person complaining about their article has no bearing on the content of the article. Not that you've ever backed up your claim that Atzmon filed an OTRS. Drsmoo (talk) 02:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- This issue discussed here. Since article was in category: Biography articles of living people who have requested removal at same time as OTRS, it's safe to assume he asked for it. CarolMooreDC (talk) 13:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- Whether or not that's actually true "Misplaced Pages doesn't honor such requests" Drsmoo (talk) 15:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- I hate to be a quitter, but enough is enough. See my comment on Talk:Gilad_Atzmon#Wikiquette_Alert_on_Drsmoo and the actual Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Drsmoo. We'll see what havoc is now wreaked. Oi!!! CarolMooreDC (talk) 13:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
- The Revised alert focuses on Drsmoo's incivility towards me as advised after the first alert. Let's think positive thoughts Drsmoo will get a good mentor! CarolMooreDC (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
<backdent>This turned into Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Please_ban_two_users_from_article_Gilad_Atzmon to ban both me and Drsmoo from article. I think it needs to be a lesson to us all to go to Wikiettiquette alert the first time there is any intimation of accusations of antisemitism, instead of giving the person a break and trying to work it out with them ad nauseum.
Of course, when there are several people pulling these numbers on an article, it can even be worse, especially if it leads to the (relatively) innocent being banned with the guilty.
So maybe we need a sub-section in the "dealing with disputes" section of the main Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration page about this growing issue of bad editors (be they random or organized) aggravating the heck out of other editors. Just to make editors aware so they don't get sucked into stupid battles (as I did). And perhaps as a second project, a way to document this has happened in articles/ANIs/Arbitration Enforcement so that this can be reflected in relevant Misplaced Pages dispute resolution pages for education of editors and admins. Thus avoiding the "Massive deterioration" of some articles as described below. Anyway, I'll make concrete proposals soon at the main page talk Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration - unless someone wants to beat me to it :-). CarolMooreDC (talk) 15:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Deletion pages to "watch"
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Deletion sorting/Judaism
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Deletion sorting/Israel
- Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Palestine
Feel free to add any others. CarolMooreDC (talk) 16:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_6#Category:Wineries_of_Syria
Could I bring this Cfd to the attention of editors here and note that it is just one example of the widespread categoraisation of places and objects in the Golan as Israeli. This pushing of a POV which clearly violates the internaitonal consensus and international law could probably do with disucssion and action by this project.--Peter cohen (talk) 13:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
- You are right, I have created a new category http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Golan_Heights_Winery&action=historysubmit&diff=325258113&oldid=324457582 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- Creating Category:Wineries of Israeli occupied territories without having it included in any category structure wasn't very helpful. Please refer to WP:CAT before you create a category the next time. Tomas e (talk) 18:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- Nsaum added "Wineries by country" so whats the problem?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- Creating Category:Wineries of Israeli occupied territories without having it included in any category structure wasn't very helpful. Please refer to WP:CAT before you create a category the next time. Tomas e (talk) 18:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Judea and Samaria Area
Can people please keep an eye on this. A user who has previously tried to move this articleto Judea and Samaria without consensus has started removing the "Area" in the article presumably with the same intent.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Massive deterioration
Hi guys,
Could anybody have a look at the articles on Hamas, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Israeli Settlement, Israeli–Palestinian conflict and others? Most of the editors who kept an eye on these have been blocked recently and the articles are going to hell, as predicted and expected, due to a slew of IP editors, new editors with few edits (e.g. Breein1007 (talk · contribs), who seems to have just read Dershowitz's "The Case for Peace") as well as older, well known accounts (e.g. Shuki (talk · contribs), who apparently hasn't lost his taste for adding Judea and Samaria wherever he can).
Some eyes would be appreciated!
Cheers and thanks, pedrito - talk - 13:49 24.11.2009
- Doubtless the average admin's fear of being labeled an "antisemite" (and ignorance of the issues) makes them feel they have to be "fair" and ban both sides, even if one side obviously is more in the wrong. I won't bring issues there any more for that reason. Perhaps the Committee_for_Accuracy_in_Middle_East_Reporting_in_America#CAMERA_Israeli_lobby_campaign_in_Wikipedia project is starting to work, with lots of stealth editors infiltrating admin. We'll know when that section gets struck from the CAMERA article :-( I'm just trying to break free of my delusion that editing[REDACTED] really does much good, especially in contested areas with rediculously biased editors. CarolMooreDC (talk) 13:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Hebrew or Arabic names for Golan mountains? RfC
 | An RfC has been opened up at Talk:Golan_Heights#RfC:_Mountain_names |
See above --nsaum75 20:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
RfC Second Temple
An RfC regarding which archaeological categories the Second Temple should fall under is currently underway here. --nsaum75 10:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)