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Presidency

I believe that in the article Zelaya should be named De Juro president, and not ex-president, as no country has accepted the presidency of the de facto president. Please comment. Maxipuchi (talk) 07:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

He is deposed and is no longer the President. I noticed that the last claimant to the Ottoman Empire recently died. We would not label him the "de juro" Emperor. Madman (talk) 13:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Claimants to the Ottoman empire have nothing to do with this article. Some claim he is still the elected President of Honduras until Jan 29, this makes him more than a mere Pretender. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 19:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

He is no longer in control and there are serious arguments to his stealing of the 2005 election. The biggest accuser is himself where he admits that he defrauded the electorate with 10% of the vote(you can find his actual comments by him on You Tube and HRN radio I believe has the interview. Cesar Ham, the current UD presidential candidate and one of his biggest fans, admitted as well that Zelaya stole the election so calling him legitimately elected is a farce. They did say ´well everybody does it´as if that were an excuse, but it takes away from his claims that he was elected. He is the ex president and his fate is in the hands of the Congress as to whether he will be restored and chances are he will not because they have deferred to the opinion of the Supreme court before they discuss it and will not convene until after November 29, 2009 because the Congressmen are campaigning right now and are recessed.Summermoondancer (talk) 17:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Zelaya is still recognized as the legitimate President of Honduras by every nation in the world. How is he former, except to his Honduran opposition in Honduras?(Finrevs (talk) 04:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC))

Anti-Defamation League and Zelaya

The article has nothing about the Anti-Defamation League's opposition to Manuel Zelaya, the former President of Honduras. Manuel Zelaya is .Agre22 (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2009 (UTC)agre22

Anti-Jewish statements raise concern on Honduras AP -- Rico 04:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The anti-semitic comments come from David Romero, head of the news division of Radio Globo, and allegedly from Patricia Rodas, not from Manuel Zelaya. Romero has apologized publically several times for his comments. While the ADL states that Rodas's comments are anti-semitic, I don't agree, and again, they are not Manuel Zelaya. Rsheptak (talk) 19:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Um Zelaya made claims too http://www.miamiherald.com/1506/story/1248828.html In fact he made the original claims on Cholusatsur via telephone and I heard them and could not believe how ludicrous it soundedSummermoondancer (talk) 17:44, 31 October 2009 (UTC) This wonderful event is clearly enough to get one booted from the air in the US but the International community thinks we have violated his rights by booting him here. He should be in prison not on the radio.Summermoondancer (talk) 17:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC) striking out libellous comment on living person.--Cathar11 (talk) 02:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

You think that Rodas's comments are not anti-semitic? Really? Honestly? You think that for someone to cheer for the Holocaust is a good thing to do and is not anti-semitic? I'm speechless. The Squicks (talk) 21:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Zelaya Condemns Radio Host’s Comments on Holocaust (Update1)

Let's not be hasty, here. We only write what's verified, not what "the truth" is. I've seen allegations of "anti-semitic communist" above, among others. We are responsible for our edits within an article about a living person. So, again, there is no haste to prove anything. Just report what there is. K? Xavexgoem (talk) 05:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Remove link to crisis article

Somebody keeps removing the link to the constitutional crisis from the opening; there is no sound reason for such a mkove whicvh could be interpreted as vandalsim but I suspect is just POV pushing of the "it was a coup". Ya basta. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 13:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I have never removed the link because I do feel it should be there but I have added ""as a coup d'état" as this explains the known international reaction.--Cathar11 (talk) 14:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Fine. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 00:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Correct, he is former President

The article is correct. . . . Agre22 (talk) 00:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)agre22

Various Things

• Mel Zelaya is no longer president, please put your personal emotions or feelings behind.
• The section "Corruption investigations by the FBI and Honduran prosecutors" has reliable sources, please discuss here before changing anything.
• The Venezuelan ballots were indeed illegal, it also has reliable sources, please put your personal emotions or feelings behind.

thank you 190.53.244.15 (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

• Thesection Financial irregularities covers and duplicates everyhing in the section "Corruption investigations by the FBI and Honduran prosecutors". one or other must be deleted.Cathar11 (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
• MEL He was inaugurated as President of Honduras on January 27, 2006 and deposed in a coup d'état on June 28, 2009. Roberto Micheletti who wasw appointed actingp presidentin his place was not recognized by any country. Whatis wromng with this text. You have consistently removed it. The notable thingabout him is the coup and ousting/removal. This wikilinks to the article with details on that. What do you propose as an alternative.?Cathar11 (talk) 23:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
• The language you use in relation to the poll is very POV. Please tone it down I accept illegal under Honduran (sic) law.23:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, 190.53.244.15, I was just wondering why you reverted my reformatting of the headings, and if there was some suggestion you had for me regarding them, instead of just a plain revert with nothing in the edit summary? Just trying to understand it. Thanks! Moogwrench (talk) 23:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Remember also, per WP:Reliable_sources#Statements_of_opinion, that editorials/opinion pieces can only be used as WP:Reliable sources for the author's own opinion, not for any fact that they might obstensibly contain. Moogwrench (talk) 23:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Manuel Zelaya is still officially recognized as President of Honduras by all of the nations of the world. His term has therefore not ended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finrevs (talk • contribs) 04:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

his term ended june 28, 2009, he's no longer in office and obviously does not have any power in honduras, it does not control anything, please put your personal feelings aside wikipidians 190.53.244.15 (talk) 04:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Personal feelings? It should be noted that he is still the President according to every nation in the world. His term ends in January. If he is not the officially recognized President by the OAS, United Nations, and every country, then Honduras has no President.(Finrevs (talk) 04:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC))

honduras does have president, is Roberto Micheletti 190.53.244.15 (talk) 04:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

No nation on earth, nor the United Nations recognizes Roberto Micheletti as President. Fact.(Finrevs (talk) 04:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC))

he removed himself from his job as president when he promoted re-election (See article 239 of the Honduran constitution) 190.53.244.15 (talk) 04:49, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

That is your opinion. The rest of the world disagrees, which is why the rest of the world considers what occurred on June 28, 2009 to be a coup d'etat.(Finrevs (talk) 04:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC))

my opinion??? go and read article 239 of the constitution, he's no longer president, the national congress of honduras recently decided that he will not be reinstated 190.53.244.15 (talk) 04:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I have read article 239 of the Honduran constitution. If Zelaya had violated it, then he should have been put on trial. There is no evidence (or you can source it) besides rumors and unverified claims by the people that forced him out of the country. Instead, he was exiled so that the coup would be considered a fait accompli (Finrevs (talk) 05:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC))

Ugh, people. Just keep it to ousted president, and make a note of the dispute in the lede. That way, it's still "former"; claims that he is still de jure president of Honduras will need sourcing, regardless of whatever ones motives are. Xavexgoem (talk) 05:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

No wholesale deletions, please

Cathar11, this wholesale deletion of entire sections (see this diff) is not acceptable. Please discuss this beforehand. Thanks, Madman (talk) 02:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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