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Comments on Parc Cwm long cairn

• Was Doggerland also submerged beneath the English Channel? When talking about how the British Peninsula became an island it seems a bit odd not to mention how it was cut off from France.

• According to this, "Doggerland was dry and stretched from the present east coast of Britain and the present coasts of The Netherlands, Denmark and North Germany.". Do you think this should be mentioned explicitly? Daicaregos (talk) 17:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

• I think it would be helpful to make it explicit, as that map shows that the Channel pre-dated the creation of the North Sea, so it isn't necessary to mention it. Nev1 (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

•  Done

• When mentioning people such as John Davies, it needs to be clear why their opinion is relevant. It’s pretty easy to do, for example “John Davies has theorised that the story of Cantre'r Gwaelod's drowning...” becomes “Historian John Davies has theorised that the story of Cantre'r Gwaelod's drowning…” Julian Thomas is another instance where readers unfamiliar with the subject and its associated fields probably need to be told who he is.

• John Davies → Historian John Davies, Dr Julian Thomas → archaeologist Julian Thomas, Dr Francis Pryor → archaeologist Francis Pryor, Stephen Aldhouse-Green → archaeologist Stephen Aldhouse-Green and Charles McBurney → archaeologist Charles McBurney.  Done

• Could it be made a little clearer that the colonists introduced land clearance and agriculture to the Gower Peninsula? The first time I read it the second paragraph of the introductory history section, I had this strange feeling that Morgan was implying that it spread to the rest of Britain from there. As I’ve said before, my knowledge of the Neolithic isn’t great, but when I read about the change from hunter-gather to agriculture in the English Heritage book on Avebury, it gave the impression of it being a natural development rather than an introduction from an outside group. This could be English Heritage not being bothered to mention outside influences, but I would hope not.

• I've added this sentence to the Analysis section re the "Neolithic Revolution": 'John Davies notes that such a transformation cannot have been developed by the people living in north-west Europe independently, as neither the grain necessary for crops nor the animals suitable for domestication are indigenous to the area.' I'll have to revisit the Prys Morgan, History of Wales book before making amendments to the History section.

• That's good enough as far as I'm concerned and makes the situation clearer. I'm not sure if more is necessary for general background, it's tempting to go into too much detail sometimes. Nev1 (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

• In “share several similar characteristics” is it necessary to use “similar”?

• Good point, share several similar characteristics → share several characteristics.  Done

• This isn’t something that can be improved, but since you wanted a more academic peer review than just on the spelling and grammar, I thought you’d like to know that I think the ‘’Severn-Cotswold tombs’’ section is very good. It is up to date with academic theories on Neolithic sites – archaeologists Gillings and Pollard highlight similar reasons to Julian Thomas for the selection of Neolithic sites and their importance in the landscape – and provides the necessary context which I think should help the article become FA and more importantly help the reader understand the subject. It’s not always easy to understand an object or event out of context, and this section does a good job of attempting to put things in perspective. Perhaps it could be improved by including some other interpretations, but those of monuments to the deceased and meeting places are the two main ones and the current dominant ones so I doubt it would be easy (or even that important) to look for others. There may be something astroarchaeological about it.
• It might be worth cleaning up the site plan, or asking at the graphics lab if they can help make it look a bit better. I’m not sure why there’s blue on the inside and others might be confused by it too. If not, it’s not a big deal and any plan is very useful as it gives the reader a point of reference that descriptions of size and location can’t always manage.

• A request to improve the site plan has been lodged at Misplaced Pages:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop#Parc Cwm long cairn

•  Done

• The plan looks really good, well done to whoever did that. Nev1 (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

• Apparently the transept chambers are “averaging 5+1/2 feet (1.6 m), east–west, by 3+1/4 feet (1.0 m)”, but from the plan the chambers on the east side of the passage look longer than the ones on the west. Perhaps worth noting? Was an explanation for this noted in the sources? Perhaps those on the west were of a higher status?
• Perhaps, and feel free to disagree, the sections on excavation record and analysis could be merged? There’s a little overlap, the two are linked, and there are questions raised in the excavation section that aren’t answered until the next section. For example, right at the start of the excavation record section it's stated that parts from 20 to 24 individuals were recovered. From the section before that, the implication is that they were discovered in the transept chambers, but it's not until the next section that it's confirmed. If you choose to keep the sections separate, that’s fine as it does work and they are nicely compartmentalised and all the information is still there.

• I was influenced by # 2b on WP:FACR. I guess the choices are: a) merge the two sections or b) keep both, and duplicate some information. I lean towards b), but can easily be swayed.

• I don't feel particularly strongly about this, and I suspect that the average reader wouldn't be bothered by it. But, for example, as I was reading that the remains of 20 or so individuals were discovered in 1869, I was wondering what the interpretation was. I do see the logic though in setting out the facts and then addressing their analysis, so perhaps I should learn to be patient. Nev1 (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

• I've rearranged/merged the excavation and analysis sections & moved the 'Neolithic revolution' paragraph back into the History section. Think/hope it's an improvement. Please let me know if it needs more work.

• The changes seem fine to me, and I think it makes more sense for analysis to be a sub-section of excavation and analysis as it is now. Nev1 (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

• If possible, some interpretation of the presence of animal bones would be nice. At a guess, if they were inside the chambers they could be slain animals to sustain or accompany the departed in the next life, if discovered outside, say in the entranceway, they could be evidence of feasting (perhaps celebrating the departed or relating back to the interpretation of the site as a meeting place).

• The explanation given by Whittle & Wysocki is that human corpses may have been left to decompose in nearby caves and, once excarnated, the bones were collected together with animal bones (by mistake) that were also in the caves. This is noted in the Analysis section, 2nd paragraph.

• Fair enough. Nev1 (talk)

Well, those are all the comments I have on the article. I’ve made a couple of changes – mostly spelling – so you’ll want to check I haven’t made any mistakes or changed any meanings. I think it’s a great article, comprehensible, and does a good job of explaining the subject. I’ve noticed that someone said that some detail could be trimmed, but I am firmly against this. When I was writing the Maiden Castle, Dorset, article I realised how important it was to provide context, although that may appear to make the article overly long. Misplaced Pages’s system of wikilinks in theory means that any non-essential information can be shuffled off elsewhere, but generally Misplaced Pages’s articles on prehistoric subjects are in a dreadful state; I had to include a proper explanation of what a hill fort is because the article was so bad. But it is good practice, as changing between articles is time consuming and a reader wants all the important information in one place. I’m sorry this has taken so long to get round to (is it nearly two months??) but I have been very busy. I’ll keep the article on my watchlist, but give me a nudge shortly before you take it to FAC. Sorry if you were hoping for more, but the article covers all the angles I could have hoped for as a reader. My writing isn’t so great, so it may be worth asking someone more competent than myself to go through and fix any awkward wording, although I tried to fix anything I thought didn’t quite work. User:Malleus Fatuorum has been very helpful in the past when I’ve asked him for assistance and may be able to help if he‘s got time. Happy editing, Nev1 (talk) 15:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Responding here is fine as far as I'm concerned, it will keep everything in the same place. I was surprised to see that there was no article for Julian Thomas. Manchester University's archaeological unit is defunct now, but until this goes dead this link might be useful if you're considering starting an article on him. Nev1 (talk) 16:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

•  Done - see Julian Thomas.

Picture this.

You are alone in a room with the Queen, and you have the chance to ask her one question. What would that be? --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 17:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I would decline the 'opportunity' to meet her. So it's not going to happen. Daicaregos (talk) 21:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

What if you were put on her honours list to receive a Knighthood?--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 10:43, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I would refuse it. As I would refuse any other bribe to become part of the system of patronage and legalised theft. Daicaregos (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Arise, Sir Dai of Cardiff. Be careful though, don't turn your back on her. Jack forbes (talk) 12:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

There are many others I would avoid turning my back towards too. Not due to respect, though Daicaregos (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I too would decline the opportunity to meet her. Hopfully, all monarchies will be abolished by the 30th century. GoodDay (talk) 14:05, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

They will come and go. Once the establishment care about themselves more than their fellow citizens, they try to ensure they hold onto power - for themselves and their family. Daicaregos (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

No they won't as by the 30th century I'll have been reincarnated as the Queen of Mars. So there, ha ha.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Let's hope you are a benevolent monarch, Jeanne, and abdicate as soon as possible. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Remind me not to go to Mars in the 30th century. I hear venus is going to be a republican paradise with health care and equality for all. Book up now folks, the tickets are going like hot cakes. Poor, Jeanne. All alone on Mars with no one to bow to her. I'll tell you what, seeing as I like you, you can throw away your crown and join us in paradise. :) Jack forbes (talk) 17:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'm too busy laughing at this and sending the cosplayer in the pic abusive kind comments (=. In all honesty i think dai is a secrete Monarchist who really lives in Leeds (No worse, PLYMOUTH!) and speaks with a liverpuddlian accent!--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 19:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I just want to know where you found my picture. Daicaregos (talk) 19:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

She sent me a reply...Take a look...--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 20:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Cŵl (cool). Daicaregos (talk) 21:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Your userpage is NOT Kawaii enough!

I demand you add a picture of Wikipe-tan immediately! (Also, sorry Wales lost today...LOL but at least they did better than merry old England!)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 19:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Gloating about other's misfortunes is not an endearing character trait. Remember, it's nice to be nice. Daicaregos (talk) 19:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

But...I wasn't...I was laughing about England...There keeper was sent off and they lost 1-0 to a fairly bad team...Sorry Dai if i offended you it wasn't my intention. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 20:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't offended. I'm just a bit grumpy after seeing the game (on TV) earlier. I also misunderstood that your LOL related to England's result, rather than Wales'. It's still not nice to gloat though, but I'm sorry if it came over a bit sharp. Actually, England's results are not that important to me (unless we're playing each other, in the same group or when England are in danger of actually winning something - when they can be completely insufferable about it for decades). Daicaregos (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Japan 2 Scotland 0. Not too many happy bunnies around here, Dai. Jack forbes (talk) 20:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

What an extraordinary result. Did you have injury problems? Daicaregos (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Injuries and a lot of suspicious call offs. I hardly recognised most of them. I watched it on BBC2 Scotland this morning. Poor game and they scored two late goals. Jack forbes (talk) 21:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

That’s ok, Wales are much better in Rugby anyway... I'm an Ireland support it may surprise you! England bores me in Football, i havn't watched a game in ages. Seeing as we are on the subject of TV, Do you watch S4C? And Jack-Japan are just tooo Kawaii for Scotland! --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk)

Sure. I'm watching S4C at the moment (ads are on now) - Heineken Cup highlights. Ireland seem to have their moments at both sports. Daicaregos (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice. Anyway, how about adding a pic of Wikipe-tan to your userpage? Maybe you could ask Kasuga to make a "Sheep-tan" for you! (hahahahaha sheep jokes... I bet you have heard them all). --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure I've heard most of them, and usually on a daily basis. Oh, how I laughed. Although I've heard virtually none since I left England (and came home). Perhaps we make racist 'jokes' about other nationalities here too, but I can't say I've ever noticed. "Sheep-tan" sounds like a light brown sheep. Thanks for the offer, but I'm not as into Kawaii as you. Cheers anyway, Daicaregos (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

The only time i have come across anti-Welsh sentiment was at a football match between Plymouth and Cardiff. But then that’s expected… And the Welsh supporters were just as bad, considering there small number. But then no one is as bad as Millwall supporters. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 19:53, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

OooooOOOooo Wales won! --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 21:02, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea!!! And a clean sheet too. Had to happen eventually. If only due to the law of averages. That'll zoom us up the rankings. Daicaregos (talk) 21:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Devolution Referendum

Some of the articles in the category definitely do concern Welsh nationalist movements, and Welsh nationalists have backed devolution... Cymru Fydd had a definite Welsh nationalist feel to it, in my view, but I'd say that because of some of the sentiments and arguments it made.

I think there's a slippery slope here. It does beg the question of how broad Welsh nationalism is. Do we extend it to the Conservatives, for example, who created a level of administrative devolution to Scotland and Wales in the early 20th century, through the Scottish and Welsh offices?

If anything, while some pro-devolutionists have exhibited watered down nationalism, others have been decidedly against it (particularly in Scotland, where it was argued by George Robertson that a Scottish Parliament would kill nationalism "stone dead" - how wrong he was!)--MacRusgail (talk) 12:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Links

I was correct in my assumption that the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons were very closely linked to one another. Thanks for telling me the name of the Cornish anthem. Isn't there also a song which contains the line: 10,000 Cornishmen cannot be wrong?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Reckon you're thinking of this The Song of the Western Men. Daicaregos (talk) 08:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Bingo! This is exactly the song I had in mind. Forgive me for mixing up the words. Now I remember the line, 20,000 Cornishmen will know the reason why. Thanks, Dai.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Pretty rousing song, huh? The best rendition I ever heard was at Blackheath in 1997 - commemorating the 500th anniversary of the Cornish Rebellion and the Battle of Blackheath. It was amazing hearing hundreds of Cornish singing it. Real spine-tingling stuff. Daicaregos (talk) 08:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I can imagine. Henry VII was a real pain to Cornish and Yorkists alike.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

And perhaps you could justify your meaning by that delete Dai? There was nothing wrong with my comment. It’s just “Celtic elitism” exists in the Cornish, It’s a fact.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 15:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I could explain myself in more clear terms…I was once talking to a so called “Cornishman”-He was generally blabbing on about how “Proud” he was to be a “Celt” and how that made him so much different from the “English”. Fine, whatever, but when I challenged him on his ancestry, trying to point out that no one is pure “Anything” (And I’m sure you would agree with that) and that your blood is a total irrelevance into today’s modern society he simply SWORE at me for being a “Racist English prick”-Oh I said, if you put it that way…My Mothers side of the family is all Irish and my fathers is Jewish. How about that? And theeeennnnn he goes on about so called “Past Grievances the “English” had caused “His” people”-Whoa, sorry bro, but I’m not responsible for any of that, so, leave me out of this.

At the end of the day not all nationalists are like this (This conversation took place on a forum) but hey, you always get the odd arseholes. And to be fair, I like to defend all sides, I never take sides but base all my opinions on fairness and reason, unlike these Muppets. Yes, including the conflict in Palestine. (Sorry, but when the video you're loading is taking too long to stream it can be a real bore)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

First off, I don't have to justify what I decide to have or not have on my talk page. But ... the reason I deleted your comment was that I felt it was unnecessarily provocative nonsense and had no wish to be drawn into the sort of debate that I now appear to be having, as I've been busy in real life and with trying to build an enclyclopaedia. You must be aware that my sympathies lie with Cornwall and the Cornish, so, unless you were trolling, I can't think why you would want to share your anti-Cornish views with me. Please don't. Daicaregos (talk) 16:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Bah, Just ignore what i said. No point in winding you up, you're not an idiot raving ultra-nationalist.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 17:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

What I should of said, don't forget those rebellious Englishmen who also had a common grievance with the Cornish against Henry VII (COUGH*WELSH MAN*COUGH). I often find the minority are overlooked, and this rebellion wasn’t against the English people or England, but a King, as we all know. (*Glares at Jeanne*)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 17:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Why are you glaring at me? I am a Ricardian, as well as a Yorkist sympathiser, notwithstanding my admiration of Margaret of Anjou. Henry VII was only 1/4 Welsh, the rest was French.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I like glaring at people!.. On a more serious note, what languages did Henry VII speak? French and English most likely…but Welsh too?--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Good question. English and French certainly, possibly Breton, and Welsh is a possibility seeing as he had a lot of Welsh mercenaries with him when he murdered King Richard at Bosworth Field.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Family legend.

Hello Dai….(Shifts nervously in his seat, looking up at the thread above)…I just thought I would tell you the story of a persistent and well known “Legend” or rumour that exists in my family. The legend goes that my fathers side of the Family, which is mostly Ashkenazi Jewish, also has some Welsh flavour to it. The legend is a bit more interesting than that, for it is said that one of my distant Jewish ancestors married a very wealthy and aristocratic Welshwoman in the 1700s. Apparently this caused a stir as my ancestor worked on her estate. Lol, sounds too good to be true, but sounds more realistic than those “Celebrities” who go on Who do you think you are? and miraculously find out there related to some king (Which pisses me off no end, massive ego boost for them, but I had to feel sorry for John Hurt when he found out he had no Irish ancestry). I bet you have some interesting stories to tell eh? Considering your ancestry. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Misortie, that sounds like something out of a romantic 19th-century novel. D.H. Lawrence comes to mind.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Lady Chatterley's Lover?--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 09:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, your family story reminded me of that famous book.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I notice Dai is snubbing me. Owell. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^, not intentional. I've researched my ancestry back to the 16th century (for two branches), 14th century (for one branch) and to the 18th century for most others. That's a lot of people. I didn't know where to start - so I didn't. Daicaregos (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Well i hope you enjoyed my little rambling tale. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 16:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

That I did. I wasn't aware there were any wealthy and aristocratic Welshwomen in Wales in the 1700s : )
Do you know when your family moved from the Rhineland? Daicaregos (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Unknown. I'm going to be honest with you and say I don’t know much about it, the only people who really did are dead. And perhaps that Welshwoman just lived off the rich pastures of Wales but was actually English, she probably kept many Welsh servants to do her bidding. Haha.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 17:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: 'the only people who really did are dead.' Sad, but it is often that way. We only want to find out when it's too late to ask them. It's never too late to start researching, though. Daicaregos (talk) 18:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, when these "Matriarchs" of the family die, vital history and knowledge is lost. My great-Grandmother was one of them (d. 1989-And you wouldn’t believe how Jewish she looked)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 18:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I know. I wish I had paid more attention to my paternal aunt when she told me famine stories related by my great-grandmother who lived in the West Cork Gaeltacht and personally experienced the horrors of the Famine. Alas, my aunt who was born in 1895 died in 1988, so I cannot hear anymore stories.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Alas, younger people are rarely interested in there family history. The term "Passing it down the generations" is now fairly lost.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 18:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Phew!

Wowsers, yas sure keep a fella on his toes. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Should I have to GoodDay, should I have to? Daicaregos (talk) 16:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes, but not as often as in the past. I'm more moderate these days. GoodDay (talk) 16:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

PS: I'm sticking with my 'personal views', though. GoodDay (talk) 18:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I've 'switched' to supporting province at Northern Ireland (only). GoodDay (talk) 23:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Traitor! --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 23:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

All the best.

Hello, Dai. Just popped by to wish you all the best. I've had quite enough of having to continually defend my country/nationality and occasionally your own on this place. There really are better things for me to do than stay here and get annoyed over it, and if I stay here that's always going to be the case. Like I said, all the best, and I hope one day your country and mine will get the independence they deserve. Cheers. Jack forbes (talk) 02:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Jack, I really wish you'd reconsider. Misplaced Pages needs more nice, humourous guys like you around the joint. Dai, please try to talk him out of leaving--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Jack must return; he will return. GoodDay (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox article

Hi. I noticed that your sandbox page is listed in a number of categories so I added some code to remove it from them. However the page looks like a fairly comprehensive article so it may be worth considering a move to article space where the categories and inter-wiki links can be restored.
I haven't given it a formal review but on a cursory read it looks ready for a GA review and may not be far off FA status. Regards. Road Wizard (talk) 14:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Road Wizard, thanks for tidying up for me. It is an article I created last year, which has been through WP:GA. I copied the whole article into my sandbox last month so I could make some (trial & error) changes, as recommended at academic peer review (prior to WP:PR), but I forgot to delete it from my sandbox afterwards. My bad. Thanks again. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 15:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Glendower/Glwynwr

"per BRD" is hardly informative. May I ask why you objected to my edit? The English-speaking newspapers did, in fact call MG "the Sons of Glendower", and this is the English Misplaced Pages. The article on Munchen is called Munich. The article on Niclas Koppernigk is called Nicolaus Copernicus. The article on Sir Benfro is called Pembrokeshire. I don't understand why MG shouldn't also obey the rule of commun usage. BillMasen (talk) 15:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

You are mistaken. The Gruniad translated "Meibion Glyndyr" as "Sons of Glyn Dwr". Further the article on Owain Glyndŵr is entitled Owain Glyndŵr, so it is accepted by Misplaced Pages that Owain Glyndŵr is the usual use of the name. The purpose of the translation appears to be to translate 'Meibion'. Btw, my edit summary was significantly more helpful than yours - there wasn't one (and no-one calls him "Glwynwr"). Daicaregos (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Right, so one newspaper calls him that name. Tell me, if I find a larger number of citations with "sons of Glendower", are you going to accept that? Or is there any other objection, in line with WP policy, that you would care to elucidate before I go to the trouble? I do not take great pleasure from dealing with your petulant approach to "discussion", so I'd like to know whether I'm wasting my time; that is, whether you are going to revert it for some other reason in the future. BillMasen (talk) 21:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

It isn't just 'one newspaper', it is the newspaper citation used as a reference for that paragraph. Forgive me, but as your original post said "The English-speaking newspapers did, in fact call MG "the Sons of Glendower"..." I assumed you were referring to the one you had used as a reference. As for my "petulant approach to "discussion" " - I responded to each of the points you raised without finding it necessary to resort to childish name calling. Please be WP:CIVIL in future. As you ask, even if you had not changed '(Owain) Glyndŵr' to 'Glendower', the change made (highlighting Meibion Glyndŵr's motivation from "cultural and economic concerns" to "partly by economic concerns") is not substantiated by either reference. Daicaregos (talk) 22:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

This discussion has been copied to Talk:Anglophobia, where any further comment should be made. Daicaregos (talk) 08:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I have a confession to make

I have only ever been to Wales once and that was to get to Fishguard in order to catch the ferry to ROI. I am shamed... (PS this Welsh user has to be a joke, or their just fucking insane. I’m honestly resisting the urge to go and question their legitimacy. PPS Jack was cool I want to see him back) --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 22:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hope it was during the daytime, so you could enjoy the scenery. There are many lovely places to visit on the way and, if you have time, the food is usually far more pleasant in a pub or a village restaurant than at the motorway services (and a lot cheaper too). Even Fishguard is worth spending some time in - upper and lower - and it certainly beats the ferry terminal. Maybe next time, eh.

What has she done? She doesn't seem to have made many edits recently afaict.

I agree, things were much nicer when Jack was around. Best, Daicaregos (talk) 09:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Anything is better than Portsmouth/Cherbourg. I'm pretty sure it was during the day as we slept on the ferry, I also forgot to mention this was 11 years ago so I don’t remember much, which is strange for me. I'm going down to Devon in a month to see relations (And to visit my favourite place in the world Dartmoor) and will be driving very close to the border (The Bristol way). Oh, and I forgot to mention something else, my parents spent their 25th wedding anniversary in Powys two months ago. I am pleased to report they were treated very well by the locals. Also, the B&B they stayed in was nice too. But it did rain allot. (Oooo a 4th person has just been murdered in MSM) Regards,--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 16:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Aye, Dartmoor is really lovely. One of my uncles lived in Teignmouth when I was young and we always used to go to Dartmoor at some point during our visit. I love it there whatever the weather (as long as I'm dressed for it). Guess it reminds me of home. Glad your parents enjoyed their anniversary. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 08:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

British

A propos our discussion on Neil Kinnock's nationality, is it allowable to refer to anyone as "British" or do we have to call them English, Scottish or Welsh?(I'm leaving Northern Ireland out of the equation!). Ausseagull (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Nationality in the UK is complicated. Some people feel English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh/other, some feel British, some feel as a mixture of the two, or more, or none. It is not even as simple as asking where were they born (see Christian Bale and Dafydd Wigley). Usually the papers pick up on the subject's self-identification. As a general rule it is best to discuss proposed changes to nationality on the talk pages first. Also, see WP:UKNATIONALS. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 16:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've changed Michael Howard's nationality from British to Welsh. Ausseagull (talk) 16:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

In a political sense he's a member of a British party. Should his nationality be a reflection of his political side or personal side? Or both? (And don't get me started on Christian Bale, so much as call him Welsh and I will rip your head off =D)

Err Misortie, that promise of decapitation, was a litte 'overboard'. GoodDay (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Ya'll know my views on this topic. GoodDay (talk) 19:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You might think about allowing us to forget them. Daicaregos (talk) 15:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 16:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where you got the idea that I had somehow given you permission to wander around Misplaced Pages biography articles changing the subject's nationalities. I have consistently referred you to WP:UKNATIONALS with regard to UK nationality. As it includes the sub-subsection Do not enforce uniformity I assume you have yet to actually read it. Michael Howard's nationality should be noted as British. I have never heard of him self-identify as anything else. Further, please do not refer to me as if my word is Wiki law - I am not the font of all knowledge, nor do I pretend to be. I advised you above that "As a general rule it is best to discuss proposed changes to nationality on the talk pages first." I had assumed that achieving consensus to change prior to making any changes, was implicit. I cannot stress enough how important it is to achieve consensus on each article before you make controversial changes. Changes to an individual's nationality should be considered controversial. Daicaregos (talk) 20:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

So we're down to "self identity" are we? Does this mean looking for articles where someone says, "I'm Welsh not British" or "British not English"? Could be a tough job. And presumably most people would accept (albeit sometimes reluctantly) that they're both English/Scottish/Welsh and British. Now look at America. Can you imagine anyone saying, "no I'm not American, I'm Californian"?

I think there's also the danger of implicit stereotyping. I don't think I need to comment on this in the Howard /Kinnock situation, but you'll find that far more people are pushing for Peter O'Tooole and Shane MacGowan to be Irish, rather than Chris de Burgh and Francis Bacon. Ausseagull (talk) 21:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

PS Any idea why Leo Abse is referred to as Welsh, and George Thomas, Lord Tonypandy as British? Ausseagull (talk) 22:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

It should say "British (Welsh)". Kinnock's legacy is important in Wales, but he ran for British Prime Minister as the overall leader for a certain ghastly party in red. - Yorkshirian (talk) 14:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

"British (Welsh)" - looks like WP:OR to me. Daicaregos (talk) 15:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank goodness, nobody self-identifies as 'martians'. GoodDay (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I confess to having remote Martian ancestry. It manifests in my frequent outbursts of temper tantrums. Remember the Roman god of war was Mars.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Although the (? uncomfortable) truth is that the Welsh are more "British" than the English are (the Irish for Welsh is Breatnach), it appears that the perception here is as follows: the English are British and should be referred to as such. The Welsh are Welsh unless they're Tory or "royalist" in which case they're British.

Where this leaves English republicans like Lord Hattersley or Tony Benn I'm not sure. Ausseagull (talk) 07:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Your summary seems to be a fair reflection of life on Misplaced Pages. Although you missed out the Scots, who are Scottish, unless they did something good, in which case they are claimed for Britain ; ) My view is that English republicans should be noted as English. However, you must gain agreement on the talk page before you make controversial changes to the article page. And, as you have discovered, it doesn't come much more controversial than UK nationalities. Oh, btw, please don't mention my name - I get enough shit around here as it is. No point sending out a general request for more. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 08:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Interesting and subjective point about the Scots. I'm not sure if you feel that Gordon Brown has "done something good", but he's certainly pushing the Britishness theme.

Anyhow, I've been told that Geoffrey Howe should be called British not Welsh and Neil Kinnock Welsh not British. And William Hague....? Well, he's English, but we have to refer to him as British! Leo Abse, a Welsh Jew is Welsh; Michael Howard, a Welsh Jew, is British. Plenty of nice perceptions, plenty of pushing streotypes (English=British=English) but not much logic. Still, that's Wikpedia for you. Ausseagull (talk) 15:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: North Americans

I was refering to the hit-job with Jack forbes against GoodDay a few weeks back, where you kept bringing up the irrelevent fact that he was "North American" in a similar sense that "Australian" is used on the Kinnock talk—as if arguments are somehow superseded based on the part of the global an editor is standing in, rather than intelligent empirical presentation of references to show verifiability. This seems to be a strange recurring pattern, among certain political groups. By the way, you're linking a diff which I correct a few seconds later? - Yorkshirian (talk) 14:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You placed the statement "North Americans are ignorant" in quotation marks stating that it was what I had been saying "last week". You are a liar. I insist that if you are unable to provide diffs to substantiate your attack, you retract and apologise. Daicaregos (talk) 14:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the liar here is you. In this diff, the creepy collectivist assertion that an editor disagreeing with you is somehow related to the (irrelevent) fact that they are editing from a different land (in this case north America) can clearly be seen. For instance where you say "is that what north Americans call their support?", "Obviously there must be a different moral compass in Britain to that of North America" and "I shall adjust my expectations of North Americans in future". *Shudders*, repent. This is pretty much the same as the "Australian" deal on the Kinnock page. Its uncalled for and counter-productive. - Yorkshirian (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought all this stuff blew over, weeks ago. GoodDay (talk) 16:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It must be something entirely unconnected, because Yorkshirian states that I said "North Americans are ignorant" "last week". He has, however, been unable to provide diffs to substantiate his accusation that I ever said it, let alone last week. Rather surprising, since he has neither retracted nor apologised. Daicaregos (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

And you seem to have changed your position several times since then, GoodDay. Which way is the wind blowing today? Or is it 'Today's Wednesday. Think I'll call it a province.'?  ; ) Daicaregos (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm against having GSTQ, Elizabeth II & Gordon Brown in the Scotland, Wales, England & Northern Ireland infoboxes. Overall, I'm not as rigid about having those 4 articles consistant. GoodDay (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

GTSQ discussion on Talk:Scotland.

It's a tad depressing that something so minor can get so out of hand. Its not as if making any such change like this would have a dramatic effect on the article. Don't you think these editors could be actually improving the deeper aspects of the article rather than bickering over something so small? It’s a waste of time. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 17:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It's what trolls do. Daicaregos (talk) 20:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Now I know were your Taffy poem comes from…

Cleverly turned around I see. Honestly, I had never even heard of the original version until yesterday. But that’s what you get when you are bought up in a tolerant and thoughtful family that don’t make racial stereotypes/poems/songs/lies, eh?--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 19:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I can't tell you how pleased I am that you had never heard the original. It gives me hope that such awful, hurtful things may be dying out. And I'm glad to know you have a nice family. Thanks you letting me know. I suppose that if you hadn't heard the original, Alun Rees' version wouldn't have the impact it has. It hadn't occurred to me that people wouldn't know it, though I would be very pleased to learn that its use had died out. Maybe one day, eh? Best, Daicaregos (talk) 21:56, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Why oh why didn't I leave it alone!

Groan! Why do I allow myself to be drawn into this nonsense . I hadn't even thought of wikipedia for a while until I decided to have a look and see how things where. Big mistake! Cold turkey from here on in. Jack forbes (talk) 12:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Come on Jack, now that you've taken a bite, why not just eat the entire apple? In other words, don't go away again! You've been missed around here, hasn't he, Dai?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

He knew he couldn’t stay away for ever...Once a Wikipedian always a Wikipedian (Don’t they say that about smoking?). Just come back Jack and take things with a pinch of salt. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:16, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

One can't avoid one's destiny. GoodDay (talk) 14:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 16:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

"You are my destiny....."--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget though, every rose has its thorn. I think I'll start my own online encyclopedia and ban all those who disagree with me, which translates as those who are just plain wrong :). Now, where are my cigarettes! Damn, I always say I'm going to stop smoking. No bloody willpower, that's my problem. Jack forbes (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Re your note (and reminder)

Sorry for the late response; I've replied in more detail on my talkpage. EyeSerene 09:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't replied specifically to your post because I assumed the thread lower down on my talkpage was response enough. I should probably have been more explicit. Yes, Yorkshirian is under an editing restriction, and yes, I'll block him if he insists on making sweeping inflammatory statements about other editors based on their nationality. However, he wasn't the only one - some would find your comment re the moral compass of Americans equally offensive, and other editors have been slinging mud too. I accept that much of it may have been friendly, light-hearted banter, but in a text-only medium interpretation can be difficult and comments don't always translate the way they were intended to. I've taken all that into account, which is why I'm not blocking at this time; I feel it would be unfair to penalise Yorkshirian alone when, as with most disputes, there is more than one side involved. Yorkshirian has shown that he can be baited, and because he's on a final warning it would be easy for editors who wanted him gone to provoke him into an intemperate response that leads to his final block. I'm not for one minute suggesting that's what has gone on here, but I see my duty as an admin as protecting not only Misplaced Pages but also, to some extent, protecting editors from themselves. Of course, the only solution is for Yorkshirian not to bite but to confine his comments to edits, not editors; I sincerely hope he (and others) will do this in future, as eventually I or any other admin will be left with no choice but to apply sanctions. I hope this answers your question. All the best, EyeSerene 09:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Per my above, "I'm not for one minute suggesting that's what has gone on here" (referring to baiting). I certainly didn't mean you to read my post as an accusation that you'd been baiting Yorkshirian; I don't believe you have. It was just a general observation that, knowing his tendency to respond, some editors with malicious intent might find it easy to provoke him; they too would then be at fault. However, his behaviour is ultimately his responsibility, and if he insists on getting involved and there are further consequences, he will only have himself to blame. EyeSerene 11:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Scotland

You're breaking away from the year-old lead agreement? shocking. GoodDay (talk) 18:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Shocking? In the sense that it is possible to keep to an agreement for over a week?
Frankly, the lead is going to change. I may as well have some influence over the final wording, rather than keeping with 'no change', and have no influence over it. And, it is an awfully good lead. Daicaregos (talk) 21:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm still shocked, though. GoodDay (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

RFC on whether the Channel Islands are a part of the British Isles

Following from a discussion you were a participant in on Talk:Countries of the United Kingdom, a (limited) RFC has been opened inviting comments on whether the Channel Islands should be treated as part of the British Isles on Misplaced Pages. All views are welcome here. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 20:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, Dai, I broke down and left another comment there. An honest, heartfelt comment.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's brave you are Jeanne. Hope you don't end up regretting it. here's my contribution, a while back. I don't really feel like adding much else. Problem is that I don't like to use the term 'British Isles' at all, so arguing about what it consists of doesn't sit too well. I may just remove the page from my watchlist so as not to have to put up with all that stress. Best, Daicaregos (talk)

Be very careful what you say Dai. I'm sure you'll be alright, but jeanne has taken on a whole new persona from today. As she said in an edit summary, "No more Mr nice guy"  ;) Jack forbes (talk) 14:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jack. I hadn't noticed the fearsome edit summary. Editors should desert the page in droves, if they have any sense. Now, repeat after me "Yes Jeanne. Sorry Jeanne. You're completely right about , as always.". I shall use it the first chance I get. Suggest you do the same ; ) Daicaregos (talk) 15:09, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I lost count. How many of us have 'packed up & left'? GoodDay (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, what a mess. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 18:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean to come across as fearsome. I'm as tender as a kitten actually. Hiss..........--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I had a kitten once. It used to roll on to its back to get it stomach scratched. Jack forbes (talk) 14:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Dai, what was the latest comment that made you take it off your watchlist. There could be a few mind. Jack forbes (talk) 14:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Some patronising crap about how to behave - completely disregarding a decent reference. Oh well. There must be better things to do. Daicaregos (talk) 14:26, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

There are Dai, there are. I'm going off for a bite to eat. That's a much better thing to do. Jack forbes (talk) 14:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm still bruised up from my experience at that British Isles/Channel Islands Task force. GoodDay (talk) 16:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I didn't think you'd actually done anything wrong GoodDay. Still, you're better off out of there I reckon. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 17:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. GoodDay (talk) 17:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Check this out.

...--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 10:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I added a relevant WP:RS ref. I noticed this (uncited) sentence "Bassey has always refered to her nationality as being Welsh." I have no firm view either way. But these statements should be sourced. I saves a lot of grief. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 11:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Just thought I would briefly tell you(Before I head off again)…

…How much I hate naming disputes.

• Derry - Londonderry (Common name Vs Official name)

• Yoghurt - Yogurt

• Côte d'Ivoire - Ivory coast (Official name vs. Common name

• United states (To a lesser extent) - United states of America.

• Color - Colour

They distract from the real issues at hand. The Derry one ticks me off the most. Despite my Irish heritage which I feel strongly about I have no opinion on it either way. On one hand you have the nationalists being unashamedly Anglophobic based on events that happened 100s of years ago in a less civilised society, and then there's the Unionists clinging on for dear life trying to throw every link to get it changed. I wish they would all get together and try and improve the article rather than bickering and recycling old arguments. Anyway see you around~--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 12:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Can't see attitudes changing any time soon. Way I see it - there are three choices: #1 Don't get involved in (or, in some cases, even look at) pages that wind you up; #2 Stay cool - contribute to the talk pages and edit the articles dispassionately with NPOV (preferred (but sometimes unattainable) option); #3 Become involved in discussions on pages that wind you up, contribute with increasingly irrational and hysterical posts until you a) lose it completely, or b) are awarded an indefinite ban. :) Have a great trip. PS do you think is Korea ready for you, Frank? Daicaregos (talk) 13:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe. Or should it be "Am I ready for Korea?"--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject

I have made a proposal to establish a WikiProject for British-Irish Collaboration. A number of proposals are currently being made around initiates to improve collaboration between British and Irish editors on topics of mutual interest. A number of initiates have been adapted in the past, with varying degrees of success, but all positive in their intent to resolve these issues. A centralised WikiProject for British-Irish collaboration could act as a focus for initiatives to improve collaboration on these topics.

As an editor that has recently taken part in discussions around initiates like these, please comment on the proposal to establish a WikiProject for this purpose. Please also circulate this notice to other editors you feel may be interested. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 13:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Damn you!

The Welsh rigged the vote! Or no doubt those countless Welsh nationalist terrorist organizations stormed into people’s houses and forced them to vote for him at gunpoint…--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

What are you referring to? Daicaregos (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

What have you been up to, Dai! Jack forbes (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Dunno yet, but it sounds pretty bad. Daicaregos (talk) 13:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Don't pretend you don't know! *Sobs* RG..it should have been Button! Button!!!...(PS I didn't even vote nor did I watch it...)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Aha! I didn't even know the result. Last year it was Chris Hoy, this year Ryan Giggs. The Celts are taking over the world! Jack forbes (talk) 13:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

e/c No doubt they'll be called British then! It would have been Man U fans who voted for him, not Welsh (and you forgot Joe Calzaghe the year before). Giggs hasn't done anything knowingly good for Wales for decades (discounting his 'announcement' that he'd stopped playing for us - it had been de facto for years). (PS I didn't even vote nor did I watch it either...) Daicaregos (talk) 14:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

We better bring back the Romans to keep you out then(Speaking of which, I visted Hadrians wall in august, really not much to see and it was like a typhoon outside)...--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Hadrian's Wall won't keep out the Cornish and Welsh. And btw, the Romans helped to keep out the Anglo-Saxons - the Celts were here already. Daicaregos (talk) 14:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

He also speaks with an English accent...(But don't hold that against him, I’m sure he's full of Welsh pride...Just like Gordon brown, you wouldn’t think it, but they are in many ways)People voted for Hoy because he’s a likeable sort of character, well that’s what I think.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Gordon Brown's full of Welsh pride? Are you sure? Daicaregos (talk) 14:13, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I sense your Celtic-Anglo blood conflicting in you...--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Then your senses are more acute than mine. :) Daicaregos (talk) 14:18, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

e/c Gordon Brown full of Scottish pride? He's trying to be more English than the English and has been criticised for it down south. Anyway, Chris Hoy probably won it because he has a hatful of olympic Gold medals. As for Joe Calzaghe, I shouldn't have left him out. I would say that Giggs is a proud Welshman as he did choose to play for them when he could have opted for a more successful England team early in his career. Jack forbes (talk) 14:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I MEANT SCOTTISH! You know what I mean...He's to ugly to be Welsh.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:18, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I mean I have yet to see A Welshman with such a screwed up face. The Scottish and the English are ugly, but the Welsh are blessed with Elf-like fair faces (:--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you talk for your own people. Anyway, I'm not sure Dai would appreciate being compared to an elf. If he is an elf I want to know which forest he hides in, because I haven't spotted any yet. Oh, and if anyone finds any let me know, I'm still struggling to find any decent Christmas presents and an elf would be a great one for the kids. Jack forbes (talk) 14:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I’m thinking along the Orlando bloom ones…(Sure as hell wouldn’t want his acting skills though, he has about as much character as Slough)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

e/c x lots He probably means Wales is an 'elf 'azard. Giggs didn't qualify to play for England. He is Welsh. He may have played for Wales when he was young, but he only played for himself in the end. He cost Wales qualification to at least two (possibly four) major championships. Managers tried to build the team around him, but he never bothered to show up for the friendlies - demoralising teammates and fans alike - and making the team planning meaningless. It (he) lost us FIFA ranking points that meant we were seeded lower than we needed to be for years. I was glad he finally admitted Wales were better off without him, (signed - bitter from Glamorgan) Daicaregos (talk) 14:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep. I was wrong Dai. I thought that because he played for the English schoolboys he may have had the choice. After reading his article I now know that doesn't automatically mean he can play for England. Jack forbes (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which, let's start a What ya getting for Christmas. I'm hoping for a Thai bride myself.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 14:35, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Don't do it, Frank. They'll marry you, have you murdered then run off with all your money. Try looking for a rich widow instead. Jack forbes (talk) 14:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Frank has money??? Daicaregos (talk) 14:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

He must be minted. Anyone who can afford a Thai bride must have a few bob stashed away. Jack forbes (talk) 15:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't mean to brag but my fathers wage is...Just over half of 100,000...And he works in Korea, which is pretty close to Thailand, maybe he could pick me up one? Or maybe they will send me one in the post? How do these things work??? I wonder if buying a Welsh bride is simple…--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 15:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

All this talk of pressies has finally put me in the Christmas spirit. I know what I want for Christmas: a coin-operated boy with the decadent face of Keith Richards circa 1969 and the body of a 20 year-old lifeguard.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing that your annual letter to Santa hasn't altered much for a year or lots. Is your current squeeze OK with not being #1 on your Christmas list? Daicaregos (talk) 19:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Who cares whether he's pleased or not? I certainly don't. His mediocre thoughts and opinions have never carried any weight with me. As they say in Los Angeles, we're on totally different wavelengths.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Was that what you meant by the Christmas spirit? Hope you get your wish. Daicaregos (talk) 08:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

(Getting the discussion away from current squeezes) I just want another pair of socks. I'm very easily pleased. Jack forbes (talk) 11:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you having Haggis Jack?--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 15:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

No, Frank. I have haggis and neeps every other day of the year, but not Christmas day. Jack forbes (talk) 15:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, what do you know. There was I thinking it was just a racial stereotype. Still, you live and learn :) Daicaregos (talk) 08:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

What I wouldn't give for a traditional Christmas dinner with turkey, roast potatoes, mashed potatoes, soft rolls (an American traditional) instead of this rustic tomato-laden crap they serve up here on the Christ's Mass.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Christmas dinner is always less than ideal at the inlaws - veg cooked to mush etc. So, we have a Christmas dinner every pre-Christmas weekend in December just to make up for it. It works for us. Daicaregos (talk) 12:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

• Permission to brag*?...No screw that, I will brag anyway. My father is coming home for Christmas on Friday. I'm going to meet him at Heathrow airport to pick him up as well as giving me the chance to see the place. Then on the 19th it's my brothers birthday, lots of fun there. Then on the 21st I'm going down to Devon to visit relatives, including my aunt who owns a pub. Then, on the 23rd, it's a fancy Christmas dinner with 14 people at a local pub. Then on the 24th...It's our Smörgåsbord! Then...It's Christmas! Were having Turkey and chicken...And then, on boxing day, it's fly to South Korea time!!! Wooooo!!! Sorry Jeanne, probably making you insanely jealous here (: --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a visit to a Devonshire pub. I visited Devon once; it was lovely.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Just as long as it isn’t any of the three pubs in Princetown, you’ll be fine.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 17:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

The best live rock acts

I recall having visited Lynmouth back in 1979. What I remember most about my jaunt to Devon is spending the night on a train in Exeter station with the Police's Message in a Bottle blaring out over and over.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

That would be a year or two after the time I saw The Police play in a club in Exeter - they were third on the bill. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Third?!!! Who topped the bill?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Chelsea I think - can't remember who the other band was. Must have been early 79, apparently. Not as memorable as the time I saw David Bowie doing a mime act, third on the bill to Marc Bolan's Tyrannosaurus Rex. Or Pink Floyd in a hall of about 100 people. Some of us go back a long way...! Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

IMO, the best live acts are the Stones, along with David Bowie and Aerosmith. I have seen all three perform live. I also saw T. Rex back in 1972. Marc Bolan had tomatoes thrown at him (probably by Bowie fans!).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I was at Live Aid, Wembley. Queen was outstanding, Freddie Mercury had the entire audience in the palm of his hand. In the 70s Led Zeppelin were superb. The Manic Millennium was pretty special too (Manic Street Preachers at Stadiwm y Mileniwm 31 Dec 1999 - 1 Jan 2000). Daicaregos (talk) 13:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Old people talking about old music events they attended. How I wish I had grown up in the age of true rock & roll.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Now try to be nice Frank. You know you can be. Daicaregos (talk) 13:46, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure the “Old people” bit was a bit of a joke.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 13:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I may appear old, but I was too young to attend Monterey Pop Festival, Woodstock and Altamont (sob).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I certainly wasn’t making a comment on peoples personal appearances… Old as in what generation you were bought up in.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 20:42, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

One of the best live acts I ever saw was Joe Cocker in London back in 1980. Wow, did he put on a good show-put his whole anima into the performance. I really enjoyed it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I would have loved to have seen those bands too - especially the Stones. A great show for me was Prince, who was fabulous live - and I'm not even a fan of his. But, boy, what a show. Daicaregos (talk) 09:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as we are on the topic - REMEMBER TO BUY YOUR COPY OF RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!(Dai will, after all the guy there trying to beat is English LOL)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 21:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Prescott

Hi, you're sort of referring to me because I was unaware there was such a thing as the Welsh Labour Party and to me when reading your version of the lede it certainly does sound as if Prescott is a member of the WLP and so it's misleading. I think for the lede that level of clarification is necessary. 'Welsh-born' does not imply ne is Welsh, simply that they are Welsh-born. I think the lede should be left as me and the other editor prefer and if there is still an issue an RfC raised. raseaC 13:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

It is far too early for an RfC. I raised the matter on the talk page. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 21:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Xmas

Dai, I wish you a merry Xmas when it comes, and I hope the Doc Martins fit. Jack forbes (talk) 18:08, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jack. Hope you have a good one too. Enjoy the socks. Are you off-Wiki 'till after Christmas? Daicaregos (talk) 18:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll be traveling down to London tomorrow morning and should be too busy enjoying myself to have time here. Will be back up before the New Year. Jack forbes (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Have a good trip. Taking your snow & cold weather expertise down south, are you Jack? I hear they need it. We remain snow free, so far. btw, I took a leaf out of your book last week and climbed one of our local mountains - The Garth - it's about five miles from me. If only the Munros were as close. Hope to catch up with you when you get home. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 19:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

From my aunt and Uncle's living room in Callington, Cornwall. See only a bit of Dartmoor...Had some snow on the peaks. Made me feel happy. Feels like I have never been away. It always feels like that. I also saw a car with a Wales bumper sticker on in a service station in wiltshire. Made me think of you. Also, merry christmas to Jack, Jeanne, and all the others. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. A Merry Christmas to you and yours too. We had our first snow of the winter overnight. It looks beautiful, but it took two attempts to reach the top of the hill (the only way to reach civilisation) from my house. I've parked my car there, and walked home. Hope it thaws soon. Best,

Thank you and a Merry Christmas to you, Misortie.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays from my alter egos. GoodDay (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I confess

I was quite frustrated when I discover my being called a troll (2-days ago). But, I'm over it now. GoodDay (talk) 22:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Big of you, I'm sure. Daicaregos (talk) 22:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping me honest. GoodDay (talk) 22:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

(Frome discussion at Jeanne's) I'm making the assumption that Jack & I can patch things up. GoodDay (talk) 22:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Cornish pirate

Dai, I think you'll be interested in the latest article I created: Elizabeth Trewinnard. She was from Cornwall, and allegedly a pirate! Once again, Merry Christmas!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:49, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Sounds fun. Did she stand trial after her arrest? Daicaregos (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

No, her sons paid a few hefty bribes and got her off. She was in her 60s at the time of her arrest. The piracy was a family affair-all the Killigrews were involved.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:58, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

You should add that to the article, if it's referenced. Interesting person, though. Are there any other sources? Daicaregos (talk) 09:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Yaarrrr I tis'sure i heard of that sea wrench before...Err, I think I have heard of her I mean. Make sure you add her to the list of pirates, if such a list exists...--Misortie (talk) 09:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually Dai, I discovered she did indeed stand trial and was sentenced to death; although the Queen later pardoned her. Thank you for asking me about other sources as one should never rely solely on one source. Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

QEI was nice like that. She had a habit of pardoning people. I wonder, Jeanne, if you would be the same if you had your own kingdom...--Misortie (talk) 10:21, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

It would depend on the offence. Pirates and highwaymen (and women), I would probably pardon, whereas traitors would be given no quarter.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Greetings.

From a very cold and snowy Seoul. Typing this from my fathers apartment on the 16th floor. Hope you had a nice Christmas! (And to all who may read this)--Misortie (talk) 12:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. From a cool, but sunny, Wales :) Daicaregos (talk) 14:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Ta

Just a quick thank you, Dai. Jack forbes (talk) 19:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Hiya Jack, good to see you back. You're very welcome, of course ... what for? Daicaregos (talk)

For a couple of comments you made on Jeanne's talk page while I was away. Hope you had a good Christmas. Did the Doc Martins fit? Jack forbes (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

No worries, byt. Call it as I see it, is all. Christmas was lovely - relaxed fun. Turns out we had a white Christmas too, who'd have thought? The DMs are great. I also had an iPod doc, so I was well spoilt. Will you be giving us tales of debauchery in London. Or is it - what goes on on tour, stays on tour? Daicaregos (talk) 12:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Ooh debauchery!!! That's another of those delightful Restoration words that I love along with bawdy, rake, roué and ribald.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I used to live there (London, of course, not the Restoration). I seem to recall quite a lot of debauchery. Life was often ribald and bawdy too. Can't say rake and roué made a deep impression though ; ) Daicaregos (talk) 12:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Brighton also had its fair share of debauchery. I like Brighton; it's close enough to London, yet it's beside the sea-what more could you ask for (apart from sunshine)?!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Sand? Daicaregos (talk) 13:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Pebbles, pebbles everywhere and not a grain of sand in sight. Dai, my tales of debauchery are unfortunately not as debauched as they once would have been. Jack forbes (talk) 13:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

My holiday beach is also pebbled. I must say that sand can block drains, so pebbled beaches do have their good points, although sand is prettier to look at and nicer to one's feet.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Ooooo

South Korean IP adress. Fancy! Cant post comments on youtube, not allowed here. "본인확인제로 인해 한국 국가 설정시 동영상/댓글 업로드 기능을 자발적으로 비활성화합니다. We have voluntarily disabled this functionality on kr.youtube.com because of the Korean real-name verification law." is what you get one you try and comment...Initially Google inc refused to comply with this law. Feel free to ask me anything about my time here! (User:Misortie not logged in) --58.141.104.92 (talk) 15:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The tallest building to the right in photo is visible from our apartment, and the Samsung Tower Palace can be seen from the roof. (Which, is currently covered in Snow!). The apartment block has 24hr security (A key-card is needed to access the front door) and the bottom floor is all shops. Crazy. Unlike you I have never stayed in a large city (And Seoul is bigger than London) so this is all very new to me. Naturally I am taking in the culture too. A taboo in restaurants: Don’t leave a tip. It’s not considered rude but it’s simply not necessary. Their work ethic is basically “You pay us for the food and our service (Which is in the form of a service charge) and nothing more because we have not earned it”. Owell. --Misortie (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Greetings. Sounds like you're having fun. Showed your picture to my wife, who said it reminded her of Blade Runner. Have you done any of the sights yet? What's on the list? Daicaregos (talk) 16:42, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

.LOL! That's exactly what my dear Mother keeps saying - From her Facebook blog - "driving through Seoul in snow, looks like set for movie Blade Runner (tall buildings and big illuminated signs)." . I Would like to visit the Gyeongbokgung palace, and, for reasons of my own, the DMZ. Also, a nice walk in the mountains is in mind!--Misortie (talk) 17:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Auguri

Happy New Year, Dai! or Auguri ! as we say here. All the best to you and your family.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Dai. Jack forbes (talk) 12:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.

Blwyddyn Newydd Dda i chi
Happy New Year to one and all. ;D Daicaregos (talk) 15:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. But...

Was a bit over the top. But like I was saying, that type of nationalism is just...Awful. Filled with blind hate. Were all humans? Can't we judge each other on our own merit? Damn I hope that day comes. I hold no responsibility for -anything that user may feel aggrieved about. And I have no guilt, and rightly so. And by having that stuff on his user page, he is directly trying antagonise people. And it’s not aimed at individual, it’s aimed at my entire country, and I see that as down right inappropriate material for someone to have on there user page. --Misortie (talk) 11:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Glamorgan

I'm working with FruitMonkey on a major effort to improve the Glamorgan article. There are lots of sources and I think that we can probably get this to GA relatively rapidly. As you're interested in Welsh history, I thought that you might like to help out. Cheers.--Pondle (talk) 11:43, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure, sounds fun. Do you have anything specific in mind that I could help with? Daicaregos (talk) 19:51, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

We need to expand the history section (amongst others) significantly, and I thought that the early modern period (and earlier) might take your fancy? Thanks.--Pondle (talk) 18:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The new look!

I have a new look, what do you think!? I also have RR now to help with my favourite activity - Watch list and recent changes patrol. --Caesar Augusta (Hail Caesar!) (talk) 12:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Welcome home Frank. Did you bring the snow back with you (have to blame someone, see). What's with the new look? Very colourful. Did you choose Caesaraugusta from Zaragoza? Is there any reason why you chose the feminine form of the name (see Augusta)? I'm no great lover of the old (or any) empire. I find the sheer brutality of their so called civilisation appalling. And after all that, they just left us to face the wolves all alone. Now, the Greeks were far more admirable. As for rollback ... Congrats. Did you have to promise to use your powers only for good? Daicaregos (talk) 20:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Aye, yes. Femme? I didn't know that, and most people won't notice so meh XD. Really Dai, the ancient Celts weren't that great, tribal warfare and all. The ancient Celts were a pretty violent bunch but they just weren't imperialists like the Romans. I suppose the Greeks and the Egyptians are more admirable than the Romans...

As for the Snow, people have asked the same question!--Caesar Augusta (Hail Caesar!) (talk) 10:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Native Americans also seem to have been into violence and tribal warfare. Don't see that excuses the genocide committed by various Europeans, however benevolent it may be presented. I wasn't criticising the Romans only for their exploitation of Britain, but everywhere. I just don't see them as a civilising influence (except in the sense that civil relates to towns). They were brutal, cruel, thugs. Re: snow - you didn't say how you answered 'people'. Daicaregos (talk) 10:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I’m correct in saying the Romans assimilated the Celts and disposed of any they saw as a threat?…Like those unfortunate Druids in what is present day Wales. They did it, of course, to the Jews as well! --Caesar Augusta (Hail Caesar!) (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

You never know, I will probably get bored of the Roman thing and go for a Jewish or Celtic one (Considering I have some of both, but then each side is known to have its fair share of elitists who shun anyone they don’t consider “Pure”…Jews are the worst!)--Caesar Augusta (Hail Caesar!) (talk) 11:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Owain Glyndŵr

If you're still interested, I've responded at my talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 14:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about the section heading. GoodDay (talk) 15:10, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Accepted. I considered deleting the entire post, but decided against. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I did make one (major) blunder, I should've checked that talkpage's history. GoodDay (talk) 15:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm.

That was fast.--大輔 泉 (talk) 21:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Welcome, Frank san. Daicaregos (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh! My name means "DAISUKE IZUMI" (That site is brilliant)--大輔 泉 (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I am truly honoured, Frank san. Large, help spring, is it? Daicaregos (talk) 21:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Bows*. It is indeed.--大輔 泉 (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Reforming

I ain't sore at ya. GoodDay (talk) 21:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

PS: There are 3 editors barred from my talkpage. You're not among the infamous 3. GoodDay (talk) 22:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks. PS: my post was well meant, I hope you took it that way. Best, Daicaregos (talk) 22:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I have taken it as such. GoodDay (talk) 22:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Dai, I have always said that GoodDay means well. I have just advised him to conentrate on editing royalty and US presidents' articles. Well, he has appointed me as one of his mentors!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

May your God help him :) Daicaregos (talk)

"God?"--大輔 泉 (talk) 10:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Dai, My God is your God! I can assure you that I don't have a personal deity acting in my behalf and performing miracles to benefit me and mine, although it would be heavenly if it were true. LOL.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Please keep your imaginary friends to yourself - Sorry, that was trolling, of course there's a God! Were else do we go after we die? *Pats Jeanne* (: --大輔 泉 (talk) 12:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I always thought it was Bournemouth. On reflection, perhaps that's where we go before we die. ;) Daicaregos (talk) 12:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

No, when we die we go to an enchanted Greek isle. Dai, --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

No, Jeanne. When you all die you go to Heaven. I'm already there. :) Jack forbes (talk) 13:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

BritishWatcher

He hasn't edited since the 18th. --大輔 泉 (talk) 13:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Guess he's busy. Daicaregos (talk) 13:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I wasn’t his greatest fan to be honest.--大輔 泉 (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

You may be part of a rather long list. Refusing to use punctuation made his 'contributions' quite tiresome. And, AFAIK, he didn't actually do any editing - just caused friction on the Talk pages. Daicaregos (talk) 13:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Knowing the way these things go, he'll probably be back today. Jack forbes (talk) 13:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Like a bad penny, is it? Don't tempt fate. Daicaregos (talk) 13:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

He's actually David Cameron in disguise, and thinking he ought to look busy elsewhere. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm impressed. He managed to hide his excellent education really well. Fooled us all. What gave it away for you? Daicaregos (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake - he's actually Boris - here. Seriously though, I don't think we should be concerned about his health - he still seems to be active on sites like this one - little doubt it's the same person. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

At least it's more productive than what he was doing here. Reckon he's also here, trolling republicans and providing them with information they never realised they needed, see here (posts #11, 12, 17, 19 etc., etc., etc.). Daicaregos (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

"The Queen hopefully will live another 20 years as her mother did. She will have the best doctors money can buy if they are needed. 2 and a half years is not that much of a long time." - Urgh, that made me a little sick inside.--大輔 泉 (talk) 18:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

It should have read "... the best doctors our money can buy ..." Tbh, it makes no difference to me how long she lives, there will always be another one to take her place (have you seen the line of succession? I think my cat must be on there somewhere). Daicaregos (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Whole heartedly agree. The Monarchy are living on borrowed time (But then aren’t we all?) though, I mean when the world does turn to shit who the hell are going to want them around? There palace(s) will be looted and turned into a home for the poor, with any luck.--大輔 泉 (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll take Balmoral and the rest of her residences/palaces/castles can be shared amongst the rest you. Dai, the only reason so many people are listed in the line of succession is to ensure the continuance of the Royal family. Cut off one their heads and another takes their place. What's your cats name, Dai? I'd like to know how to address him/her when he/she ascends to the throne. Jack forbes (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

e/c Dylan Thomas (of course) : ) I was thinking of Buck House more in terms of a residence, and offices for, the elected President. But really, in my ideal world, that would be England's problem. Wales would have no say in the matter. Oh wait, hold on, that's exactly the situation now. Daicaregos (talk) 19:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The correct form of address for Dylan (should unfortunate things happen to those above him in line of succession)would, of course, be: "Oi, parasite. Get a proper job instead of sponging off the likes of us.". Hope that's cleared things up. Daicaregos (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

LOL! The same form of address used for the present monarch then. Jack forbes (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Am I the only editor here who supports the monarchy and truly likes Prince Charles?!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Daicaregos (talk) 19:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

You are.--大輔 泉 (talk) 19:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Fraid so Jeanne. You will come round to our way of thinking one day. Look into my eyes and say after me, I believe in a republic, I believe in a republic. Here ends your first session, same time next week. Jack forbes (talk) 19:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I am immune to conversion. Ha ha ha ha ha--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

What if the monarchy had all kinds of nasty stuff done to you? --大輔 泉 (talk) 19:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

And by the same token, what if a republican governmemt taxed you out of your home?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

There's the rub. You have stumbled upon the crux of a monarchy's shortcomings. A bad republican government may be voted out of office. You are stuck with a bad monarch until s/he dies or is assassinated, and you can only hope that the next one is better. Daicaregos (talk) 09:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but once the bad republican government is voted out of office, you're not given much of a choice as to whom to replace it with. Can you name just one altruistic politician (who is still alive)?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:11, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Tony Benn, Vince Cable] (or pretty much any Lib-Dem politician, as they know they aren't going to have any power). But altruism is not the point. They only need to know that if they don't do what the electorate want, they're out. Daicaregos (talk) 10:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

To me, England's entire national identity is represented by the monarchy. I know this will offend many people, but I want to be respected for my sincerity and honesty here. England without the Royals-and to be honest, they haven't done a bad job-will cease to be the England that we know presently. The monarchy is the tie that binds the nation to its centuries of history. Sorry for being maudlin. I only wish the Stuarts still occupied the throne as I have never cared for the Hanovers.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

The sooner that "England ceases to be the England that we know presently" the happier some of us will be. A nasty mixture of servility to the monarchy, and arrogance to the rest of the world. And I'm "English" (under many people's definitions, anyway). But don't worry Jeanne, it won't happen in our lifetimes... unless Charles turns out to be even worse than most people expect. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

England is a country which really doesn't have a solid "Identity" - It's a real mix. --大輔 泉 (talk) 12:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)