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Given that the general response was ...

... this, then it appears you are chosing to be oblivious. Proofreader77 06:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Merely a suggestion. I was and am aware, however I don't think you should police his page either. He has a right to post it and if Jimbo likes he can remove or block. Clearly his choice. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

A general principle...

Do you recall the advice I gave you about the AE request on Brews ohare? I would urge you to consider its broader application anywhere where you're hoping to make a persuasive and convincing argument. When you want to be seen as The Voice Of Reason, you need to present yourself as coolly as a cucumber. This style of comment just doesn't help you. Even if you're dealing with someone whom you believe is being totally impolite and unreasonable, you can't win by being more impolite and unreasonable. Resist the urge to get the last word. Pissing matches just end with everyone covered in urine. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree, in this case I did revert. However Ten if you look I did try several nice notes on the ownership issues and he just keep persisting. I realize I am a bit hotheaded but here is a great example of someone's reach exceeding their grasp. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I saw your self-revert, and I think it was a good call.

The point is, once you've made your arguments (calmly, coolly, clearly, and concisely), you don't gain anything by repeating them more angrily if someone simply refuses to take on what you've said. Certainly, you can clarify any misunderstandings of what you've written, and by all means engage with editors who appear to be interested in having a reasonable discussion — but you're shooting yourself in the foot if you start yelling at someone who is just ignoring what you're saying. To an outsider it goes from being "There's one guy who won't listen to reason" to "There's a couple of crazy guys making fools of themselves and frothing at the mouth".

The "Yes you are!"/"No I'm not!" back and forth (and all its variants) is one of the most common illustrations of diminishing returns on Misplaced Pages. With each cycle, the parties get angrier, less coherent, less credible, and less likely to back off from their ever-more-deeply entrenched positions. If someone makes an apparently silly or disruptive suggestion, it's usually best to offer a single, clear, concise rebuttal or two, and then move on. Other editors can evaluate the relative merits of the two sides, and if it really was a bad idea, it will disappear relatively quickly into the archives...unless people keep posting to the thread. Even if a post was in genuinely bad faith (rather than simply out of naivete or lack of understanding of Misplaced Pages) you're doing no one any good by feeding a troll who's looking for an argument.

Further, when two editors are involved in a rapid-fire punch-up, other editors become disinclined to wade in. (We don't want to get any of your piss on our trousers, thanks.) It's painfully obvious in any discussion when just one party (often the lone – or nearly lone – proponent/opponent of the proposal) is going through and responding to every single comment. The community is pretty clueful about such situations. It's more distracting if two opponents are going at each other, drowning out any other conversation. They tend to cancel each other out, and render themselves both irrelevant.

Incidentally, your last manual talk page archive didn't make it into your Archives. Just a heads-up. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I can actually agree with your sentiments. I do not intend on going away, however I am going to try different tacts. In this case though I'm done discussing it with Proof. That's all I was doing feeding a page troll at that point. I do appreciate when those of differing opinion come to my talkpage in a effort to talk not attack. If you would like ot continue to do so you are omre then welcome. I will listen to what you say, won't a;ways agree but I will at listen. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I very very very strongly suggest listening to TenOfAllTrades here, that is some excellent advise. Prodego 19:19, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Could have used a better edit summary, but still, thanks. Prodego 19:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I was gonna say...I saw it coming..how are you dude? Off2riorob (talk) 23:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm good. Just brewing some coffee. Really trying to change up my approach on this things but damn sometimes it's hard to change habits. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Habits, yes..sometimes it requires a slap, as in pushing through the developed patterns that are impregnated in early life, as a comment let me say that time does all of that for you, enjoy and accept who you are now as time will bring its own change too. Just pay attention and you won't miss anything. Off2riorob (talk) 00:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Sister Vincenza

Hi Jake, regarding your article Sister Vincenza , it has been brought up at the BLPN here , I was going to prod it for..Not notable person, any little notability is connected to this one conspiracy theory event but I saw its yours so I thought I can just ask you about it? Off2riorob (talk) 13:23, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Sister Vincenza

I have nominated Sister Vincenza, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sister Vincenza. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi HiaB, that is a move, nominating your own article, I will comment in a while, you have improved it a bit, lets see who comments. Off2riorob (talk) 19:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jake, in the future I don't think it is a good idea to self nominate an article, let someone else do it if they really want to, the situation seems to be confusing for people. Off2riorob (talk) 15:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I guess so. I hate useless work. I'll just have to go throuihg that route next time. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year :-)

A salute for your gracious and honorable response to complex situation. Here's to many delightful learning moments (for us both LoL) in 2010. Cheers! Proofreader77 00:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Yo, me too, happy new year amigos. Off2riorob (talk) 00:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

• PS Some New Year's ring-in music for exciting times :-) Proofreader77 00:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Delivered New Year's music ... How wonderful! ... My heart is singing-in the New Year! ... Bless your whisky-pickled heart, Hell In A Bucket! LoL Cheers! Proofreader77 01:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

• Greatful Dead: "Hell In A Bucket" - From now on I will consider that your theme song ... and know, every moment (whatever's goin' on) ... that you're "enjoying the ride!" Amen. Hallelujah. Happy New Year! LoL Proofreader77 01:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

PS Missing link?

re: User_talk:Proofreader77#Try_this......

You wrote: "This one was the best sorry [["

But there was nothing after the two open brackets. Did you mean to put a link there? (If not, disregard, but if you did, I'd surely like to hear what it was. :-) Proofreader77 18:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks ... Playing Grateful Dead this morning ... and now I can even spell it. LoL Proofreader77 18:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected

I noticed some misuse of your userpage so I semi-protected it for a duration of time. Chillum 00:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated. seems the troll has been forced to move on. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 02:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ophélie Bretnacher & Eva Rhodes

Your tenacity and want-to is amazing Raymond. I appreciate the fact that you were so willing to go up to bat for Ophelie. It is truely a sad situation. I just want to show you the difference between Jon Benet Ramsey 1, or Natalee Hollaway, 2 now compare Ophelie she had a spike of coverage when she died that has steadily petered away. It is the notabilityy aspect we were talking about. I did have a question is there any articles that highlite this death as a treaty sticking point? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello and Happy new Year Hell in a Bucket,

I have it :

Les familles d'Eva Rhodes et d'Ophélie Bretnacher, autre étrangère disparue en Hongrie, envisagent d'adresser ensemble une plainte auprès de l’Union européenne

http://www.jfb.hu/node/837

D'après le correspondant de l'AFP en Hongrie, ces deux affaires ont été pour lui l'aspect le plus difficile de son métier de journaliste parce que « À cause de l’AFP, on est obligé de poser des questions douloureuses que, personnellement, on préférerait se garder de poser » http://www.jfb.hu/node/1026

Eva Rhodes & Ophélie Bretnacher have been kept after 17 days of discussion I am very happy with the way the French Wikipedians have improved the page

http://fr.wikipedia.org/Oph%C3%A9lie_Bretnacher

http://fr.wikipedia.org/Eva_Rhodes

Best Regards --Raymondnivet (talk) 13:15, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations Raymond, the article looks real good. Off2riorob (talk) 14:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello hell In A Bucket,

Thank you for The resilient Barnstar, I'm very happy.

Now, that I have a new english text , what should I do? --Raymondnivet (talk) 22:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Well now that the article has survived a deletion review on the French Misplaced Pages I don't think there should be aq problem adding it here. I can't speak french or I would offer my services. You might try rewriting the article in English and asking a editor to make sure that the spelling and context should be in English but I think it has a doubled chance of surviving here.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

It's done. It is on my User page User:Raymondnivet/Ophélie Bretnacher disappearance And I have asked some help. Thank you Hell In A Bucket.--Raymondnivet (talk) 09:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello hell In A Bucket, Thank you for your help repeatedly, in fact everything I tried to January 5 th was deleted. I didn't want to disturb you so I tried on my own. Thank you for this. --Raymondnivet (talk) 10:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

help

{{helpme|I am curious as to the criteria a stadium must compy with to be considered notable. I have searched and have been unable to find it. Can you help"}}

It isn't official, but there is an essay on notability criteria for stadiums written at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Event Venues/Sports task force/Notability. Please let me know if there are any more questions. Thanks! --Mysdaao 17:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD

Please see: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sister Vincenza Taffarel (2nd nomination).Borock (talk) 19:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

NRHP citation

What do you mean: have you requested and received nomination forms by snail mail, or something else? If you mean they've mailed you some forms, see WP:NRHPMOS, and for specifics of how I follow those guidelines, see the citation style I used at Zimmerman Kame. If you mean something else, accept my apology and please explain what you mean. Nyttend (talk) 06:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I have finally recieved the documents on Union Ave. SO yes for the first question.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Admin

Re, your message, sadly, I am not. However, as to nominations, I believe it was too soon. If I can go 6 months without losing my temper, then maybe, just maybe, I might be ready to accept a nomination. It is also too soon as I just got off a block.— Dædαlus 01:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)