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Mapa

Hellow, I would like to ask you for help. Usaer Clocac insist in that this map I made is no presentable on wikipedia. I dont know what to do, first I corrected Tumbes as Peruvian and now he goes on to insist on that other thing are wrong also. It is extrmely difficult or i mpossible to establish a really accurate map, since boder treaties in that time were unprecise and disputed. Would you like to "correct" the map? Plaese consired also that Ecuador had claims on what is now the Peruvian Amazon. Or you perhaps thinks (as I do) that the map is good enougth to be on the article Chincha Islands War, because that article is not about the Peru--Ecuador border but of a Spanish neo-colonial war. Dentren | 23:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Zambrano

Thank you for your edit to the disambiguation page Carlos Zambrano. However, please note that disambiguation pages are not articles; rather, they are meant to help readers find a specific article quickly and easily. From the disambiguation do's and don'ts, you should:

• Only list articles that readers might reasonably be looking for
• Use short sentence fragment descriptions, which should not end with punctuation
• Use only one navigable link ("blue link") in each entry, and avoid red links
• Not pipe links—keep the full title of the article visible

Edits are not vandalism simply because they come from IPs. The article on the baseball player was at the plain title until a few days ago, without dispute. If you continue to press this issue without discussion, I will have the baseball player's page moved back through WP:RM per standard procedure as a controversial move. 210.161.33.186 (talk) 01:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Apology accepted

I'm glad to know that finally a formal Sockpuppet Investigation has been conducted (I hope that BozMo is properly informed about the result as I wouldn't like him to distrust me). I now understand that the timing of my appearance was probably not the best and was one of the reasons of why we had such a rough start. I also apologize for the RfC I now consider it wasn't the best thing to do and I hope that we can leave that aside after it's closed during this weekend. I also hope that the mediation cabal could help us finish this dispute, meanwhile I can't get back in time but I promise that none of my actions in the future will be in an aggressive or hostile way but I still consider that the article can be perfected and could have more information. I've been reading WP:TRUTH which is funny essay about most Wikipedians conduct and I think we both fell into that. I consider that WP:NPOV is a complex matter and I think it'd be a good idea to read the extensive information about it available on Misplaced Pages and use the correct tools for dispute resolution in a friendly and peaceful way. I'm reading this week the following manuals, perhaps you'd like to read them as well so we can talk about the same things next week without entering in any bitter argument again:

• WP:NPOVT
• WP:NPOVD
• WP:POV
• WP:WORDS
• Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/FAQ

Those aren't policies but only advices written by other Wikipedians to improve the quality of articles so please don't think that if I mention them it's any kind of accusation or anything like that.

Best regards --Erebedhel - Talk 00:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Carlos Zambrano

On reflection, I am starting to agree with you that there should be a disambiguation page, because there is no clear primary topic. You haven't made this easy, because of the arrogant and offensive way you stated your views here. Your argument boils down to saying that soccer is more popular than baseball, therefore any soccer player must be more important than any baseball player. This is utter nonsense; I don't think many Venezuelans would agree with you. But that's not the point; the point is that both of these persons are reasonably well-known within their respective sports, and it is probably impossible for either of their articles to meet the primary topic standard.

I also think you are way out of line to change the redirect while the WP:RM discussion is still open; any changes should wait until that discussion is completed. Your latest change is particularly disruptive; did you even look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Carlos Zambrano to see how many links you would be breaking by redirecting to the soccer player? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:35, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Formal Mediation as next step after Mediation Cabal

A request for formal mediation of the dispute concerning Diablada has been filed with the Mediation Committee (MedCom). You have been named as a party in this request. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Diablada and then indicate in the "Party agreement" section whether you would agree to participate in the mediation or not.

Mediation is a process where a group of editors in disagreement over matters of article content are guided through discussing the issues of the dispute (and towards developing a resolution) by an uninvolved editor experienced with handling disputes (the mediator). The process is voluntary and is designed for parties who disagree in good faith and who share a common desire to resolve their differences. Further information on the MedCom is at Misplaced Pages:Mediation Committee; the policy the Committee will work by whilst handling your dispute is at Misplaced Pages:Mediation Committee/Policy; further information on Misplaced Pages's policy on resolving disagreements is at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes.

If you would be willing to participate in the mediation of this dispute but wish for its scope to be adjusted then you may propose on the case talk page amendments or additions to the list of issues to be mediated. Any queries or concerns that you have may be directed to an active mediator of the Committee or by e-mailing the MedCom's private mailing list (click here for details).

Please indicate on the case page your agreement to participate in the mediation within seven days of the request's submission.

Thank you, Erebedhel - Talk —Preceding undated comment added 08:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC).

I think there is a misunderstanding

Formal Mediation main objective is to try to isolate the user conduct problem and focus only in content, the "Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted" is only to list the steps the filling party (i.e. me) followed before requesting a Formal Mediation it's supposed to be only a brief list and not a discussion. If we don't follow the format required, the request will be denied. Could you please remove then and bring your concerns through the correct channels? I'm only asking you to sing:

#Agree. ~~~~

in Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Diablada#Parties' agreement to mediate and in the discussion just follow the steps and address exclusively to the content.

Thank you --Erebedhel - Talk 17:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Actually if you please you can move them to the talk page is just a matter of format. --Erebedhel - Talk 17:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Request for mediation accepted

A Request for Mediation to which you were are a party has been accepted. You can find more information on the case subpage, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Diablada. For the Mediation Committee, Ryan Postlethwaite 21:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

presidential election, 2009

Hello there is dispute going on Talk:Chilean presidential election, 2009 about the image of Sebastián Piñera would you mind to give your opinion? Dentren | 22:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello MarshalN20! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 2 of the articles that you created are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 8 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

1. Miguel Company - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
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Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 05:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Ryan's talk page

I don't consider correct to have a threaded discussion on Ryan's talk page so I'll move it here:

I'll not continue this conversation on Ryan's for respect but I'll point out something. Both of us have Workshops User:MarshalN20/Sandbox - User:Erebedhel/Workshop, precisely for this purpose. I have plenty of observations about MarshalN20's version but I, for respect, keep my opinions till the mediation starts. What is disrespectful is that attitude of criticizing something that isn't even finished, unlike MarshalN20, I clearly put a warning sign at the top of my page saying so, I respectfully abstained myself from editing the page and not trying to "buy edit counts" doing microeditions like a dog trying to mark his territory. And above all what is more disrespectful is that tone like if he pretended to "lecture" me about ethics and neutrality while what he has been is precisely pushing his irrational hatred towards a country that have never done any harm to him, calling Bolivians ignorants and trying to nullify its entire culture by pushing fringe theories and ranting out of proportion while this could be a simple case of WP:NOTLEX. I'm sorry for disturbing your talk page but sadly my patience is gone, I tried by all means to stay calm towards this person's attitude but I had enough.Erebedhel - Talk 16:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

You're now calling me a "dog" that "buy edit counts." Wow. Seriously? That's what what you call respect?

All you've done thus far is insult me. Do you really think that is going to solve the problem? I don't need to put a "warning" sign to my sandbox page because, quite obviously, it is a sandbox that doesn't even have "Diablada" anywhere on the title.

What irrational hatred? I already apologized for my comments posted long ago in the talk page of the article. The "edit counts" you call my edits on the article are simple minor changes, the most important one being moving the bibliography section upwards (But, apparently, that shows my "hatred" for Bolivians).

Moreover, thus far you keep showing a systematic bias towards Bolivia. Your "workshop" article is completely made in favor of Bolivia. Just by simply reading the introduction the reader can tell that the article is biased. Why don't you want to understand that what you are doing is unethical?

Finally, I don't care if your patience is gone. I have already asked, politely, for you to quit insulting me; focus on the material and not the editor. I propose, as I have done in the past, to work together in the article rather than to argue over it. Neutrality is the solution, but you don't want to accept it.--MarshalN20 | 16:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

If that offends you then I apologize but I seriously consider that we should just leave the article alone till Ryan finds time, is just common courtesy. Besides I never received an apology for your offensive comments, in the 5 months I've been dealing with you I never insulted you I just asked you to address me with respect and you didn't so don't play the victim now.

You think my article is in favour of Bolivia, I think your article is in favour of Peru. Mediation is meant to find a middle point. My article is not finished as I said, what I did was compile the information I have to explain it later, that's what workshops are meant for.

Regarding the warning sing I'm not asking you to put one, but I do ask you to read mine and not take conclusions if it's not on the main article you don't have any reason to complain. Besides the lead in both versions is overly long I'll abridge it when I finish it.

Finally why don't you read what systematic bias really means, it doesn't have anything to do with what you're saying. It just says that some countries have more contributors, e.g USA, and they have more articles. And I consider that your concept of ethics is not clear to you, why don't take a look on all the articles in Category:Peruvian culture, under your perspective all of them would be "unethical".

I appreciate your last paragraph, even though I said the words "I have already asked, politely, for you to quit insulting me; focus on the material and not the editor" several times in the past to you and I really don't appreciate your last sentence, e.g. take a look at the Honduran nwewspaper you quoted before, it says:

"El Ministerio de Culturas de Bolivia aclaró que La Diablada es uno de los íconos más importantes del Carnaval de Oruro, declarado como Obra Maestra y Patrimonio Oral e Intangible de la Humanidad por la Unesco en 2001.

En tanto analistas peruanos dicen que 'La Diablada' es desde hace siglos una manifestación cultural que comparten Perú y Bolivia en la zona altiplánica fronteriza y que incluso se puede observar también en el norte de Argentina y hasta en Ecuador."

"Ethically" you should mention that those who consider the Diablada belongs to all those places are "the Peruvian analysts" and not hide the information regarding the Cultures Ministry. Neutrality consists in presenting both sides not only one.

I hope that now that we called Ryan's attention he hopefully will officially start with the mediation, I believe he just forgot to watchlist the page, but meanwhile I'll work in my Workshop and you on yours and I suggest to avoid any unnecessary confrontation. Erebedhel - Talk 18:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I provided my apologies for those comments when the time came, several months ago. If you didn't find them, then that's not my problem. You're implicitly insulting me; it's nothing "general" such as those comments I made about Bolivians (which are a wide population). Misplaced Pages does not allow personal attacks.

The lead section in the article in my workshop is of an appropiate size. Lead sections are supposed to be a summary of the main information of the article. If the article is as thorough as that of the Diablada, then it deserves to have a relatively medium sized lead.

Systematic Bias is the "is the inherent tendency of a process to favor particular outcomes." You have an inherent tendency to favor Bolivia. You have a systematic bias. I suggest you read the dictionary.

The point of using sources is to gather relevant information from the sources. It is a fact that the Diablada is also danced in Ecuador and Argentina. I've seen them dance it. There is no need to put that Peruvian analysts say that because it's not relevant.--MarshalN20 | 21:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

You didn't apologize for those comments and specially not to me, you specifically said "However, this apology does not go for anything beyond that" when you wrote me. You could have just lower your tone when I first asked you to please talk with respect but you started to attack me and continued till now. I just consider that it's enough, you could have been just editing the articles you're interested in more than Folklore, and never see each others again, you haven't edited the article in two months and you said that you don't care about the subject you just wanted to fight for it on the talk page.

Why don't you read twice if you need what's Systematic bias and the difference between Systemic bias. As for your suggestion I find it offensive, you'll not imply that I'm ignorant, ok?

And finally I consider that your mental process of gathering "relevant" information from sources contains a Systemic bias and that's why we need a moderator to analyze both interpretations. But I can assure you something, as I mentioned before one of Misplaced Pages's standards require attribution.Erebedhel - Talk 22:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Attribution to what? So, if I say that the sky has clouds, then on the "sky" article of Misplaced Pages we have include; "According to MarshalN20, the sky has clouds." I'm not the only one who thinks the sky has clouds; by God, the whole world sees the clouds in the sky! That would be quite a daring claim from my part. Similarly, "Peruvian analysts" haven't said anything out of the ordinary. In Ecuador there does indeed exist a dance which they call a Diablada. What's more, that dance is also a root from the Spanish Autos Sacramentales and the Native ideologies. What makes that Diablada (Yes, because it's name is also "Diablada") non-existant? Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Therefore, that also doesn't mean that the "Peruvian Analysts" are saying anything truly relevant.

I did apologize for the comments I made, and I even provided a link for my wrong actions in past discussions (not necessarily with you; but I don't have to apologize to you for a general statement that I made). In fact, I still won't apologize to you for the general statement I made; my apology for that statement is simply a general apology (because I didn't aim it at any specific person in particular). This is quite unlike you, because you obviously referred to me as a dog.

I'm a historian. Of course I'm interested in anything related to history. Just because I don't care about dances and other silly things of that sort, it doesn't mean that I don't want for history to be shown correctly. I'm not going to support any version of the Diablada article that systematically favors Bolivia; nor would I support a version of the article if it favored any specific point of view aside that of Bolivia.

"Systematic bias is often used in exactly the same manner as the term systemic bias, though systematic is the older and more common form."

I'm not implying that you're ignorant. I simply said, "read the dictionary." We're discussing the definition of a word, hence my response. Why do you take such simple things offensively? On the other hand, you are the one who compared me with a dog.

I haven't edited the article in two months because I am focused on my studies. I barely have time to sleep! Much less do I have time to go on a search of information.--MarshalN20 |

Well precisely doing that constitutes original research specially in a topic that is not familiar for most people.

You mentioned it to BozMo but those comments are still there, besides I'm the one offended and that apology didn't arrive to me. Besides your whole attitude on the article is "trying to prove Bolivians are ignorants" which is even more offensive.

It's clear on your user page that you like Military History for example, nobody is forcing you to edit articles about dances, besides one historical fact is that during the 20th century nobody questioned that the Diablada was originated in Oruro, the version of Juli started after a campaign of the newspaper Correo and the Native Association Puno in 2003, it says so clearly in one of your sources. I'll not go further on the discussion about the article content as I consider this is not the place, unless that's what you want, but I consider that the article not only is systematically biased towards Peru but also lacks of information from very important sources. And I'm only trying to find a space to deal with these details in an ordered and civil environment which you for your temper are blocking it, editing peacefully in my workshop wasn't a provocation whatsoever and your reaction was completely unnecessary.

Unlike you I did say that if the "dog" remark offended you I apologize and here it is again. But I didn't say you were one, I said that, based on your comment you made on your opening statement, you have the belief that by increasing your edit counts on an article you were gaining some sort of status allowing you to denigrate others. That's the pattern I observed in the article that you didn't edit anything for days, week or months then someone upsets you and you again edit it, is like you were trying to show you own the article, is just an observation.

I'm "easily offended" because you're offending me with that tone, like you actually thought you had some sort of authority upon me. I don't consider that you have anything to "teach" me, you should first observe your own acts and learn to respect other countries before coming here and humiliate me for asking you to address me with respect. So I'm asking you, either dedicate to study and get some sleep or do articles about military history or Age of Empires or anything but let's just avoid colliding with each others, I like anthropology I like linguistics and I have been collaborating for years and nobody ever accused me of the things you're pretending to accuse me. Erebedhel - Talk 23:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

If there are a series of sources certifying the statement in question, there is no need to mention a specific group or person.

You saw the message in BozMo's page, so now you can shut it. I'm not trying to prove Bolivians are ignorant. If the demands made by Bolivia are ignorant (e.g., "Andean culture is only Bolivian culture"), that's not my problem.

No. That is what you want to believe; in fact, that is what the Bolivian government wants its people to believe. However, thus far the information provided by the sources demonstrate otherwise. Garcilaso de la Vega didn't write his work in 2003; and people from Puno have always attributed the Diablada as their typical dance. You attempt to use dates in order to justify the validity of the information; but the matter of fact here is that it doesn't matter whether a source was published in 2000 or 1700. The only distinction made between sources is as to whether they are primary, secondary, or visual. Nothing more, nothing less.

It deeply saddens me to see Bolivians arguing with Peruvians, even after we faced a common loss that is not foreign to both of our peoples. You compared me with a dog, whether you meant it or not that is exactly what your sentence structure pointed out.

Like I added before, I don't have time to do long articles anymore (and I probably won't until this upcoming summer). I wish I could, but I simply cannot. People, Wikipedians, often make short edits in different articles. All I did was simply move the bibliography section to its correct place. That doesn't deserve me getting compared to a dog.

What tone? I am not talking to you, much less am I setting "tone" to my writing (I'm not a professional writer; if I could "tone" my writing then I probably would dedicate my time to be a novelist and not a historian). This all depends on how you read what I write. I am not angry at you, though I am a little bothered. If you can re-create that "bothered" tone, then go ahead and do so.

Humiliate you? How am I humiliating you? Just learn to put with what people write in the internet. Everybody has an opinion, and I can assure you that I won't be the only person you'll ever hear to say something about Bolivians. I mean, if you think what I said is terrible, then perhaps you should go and look at the War of the Pacific article and see what the Chilean editors wanted to do to Bolivia, and then compare the constant arguments I found myself in defense for Bolivia. For example, they wanted to blame the war on Bolivia, they wanted to claim Bolivians were attacking Chileans in Bolivia, they wanted to claim that Bolivians had evil intentions, they wanted to claim that Bolivians were the ones who betrayed Chile and Peru, etc.; where were the Bolivians at that time? Nowhere. It was only me, a person who is not even Bolivian, the one who had to go on the defense of a whole country in the English wikipedia (later some other people came, but that only made the mess bigger). It was thanks to both my work and that of user:Arafael that we were able to do what was right. And yet you think that all I'm doing in the Diablada article is attempt to make Bolivia look bad.

Apparently, unlike you, I have already been in past discussions with people who don't like me because I attempt to bring out different opinions. When you created that list of "bad things" that I did, it didn't surprise me that user "Keysanger" got his hands involved in the mess because he was the person I argued the most with in the "War of the Pacific" article (If it had been up to him, the article would simply hold the point of view of Chile); in the same way, it didn't surprise me that he sought Misplaced Pages to ban me in order for his biased information against Bolivia to remain unchallenged. Yet, I doubt you even cared.--MarshalN20 | 15:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

That phrase was in response to your comment about seeing devils in other countries, but anyway what I mean by attribution when different opinions arise upon a determinate topic is to make distinctions such as Peruvian scholars say this Bolivian scholars says that.

Regarding your comment "I'm not trying to prove Bolivians are ignorant. If the demands made by Bolivia are ignorant (e.g., "Andean culture is only Bolivian culture"), that's not my problem." that's highly offensive and that's the bottom of the whole problem, you called me a hypocrite before and why don't you think it's "ignorant" all the articles that are considered Peruvian culture or the Peruvian demand on Chile for the Pisco?

Besides that's a bigger problem because you actually think that it's a recent thing, that it's just Evo Morales idea, which is offensive for the people who support him and even worst for the people who don't, as I told you it was part of the Bolivian cultural policy on the UNESCO archives since 1977 and the 107 pages study backing up the information on the UNESCO declaration reads "the ritual centre of worship since its beginnings was the city of Oruro, and no other". Nobody, outside Peru considers the Diablada as Peruvian, not the anthropologist Max Harris, Not the Board of the Ball de Diables in Tarragona, even all the Chilean historians consider that the Diablada was born in Oruro. Just a sample the Australian scholar Jennifer Heath says clearly Oruro is the home of the Diablada, yes or no? or she was brainwashed too? It's all in my bibliography. You are the only one trying to believe that it isn't true and enclosing yourself in just few unreliable sites and Morales Serruto's rants while extended and professionally made studies by the PhDs that you love so much say other thing.

However on a personal side I'd never consider that Peru wouldn't have the right to dance the Diablada, what annoys me is that negationist attitude of trying to say that it was born in Juli when it was danced for 2000 years in Oruro.

I know that most Wikipedians do small edits, but mentioned several times and it's on your Opening Statement you mentioned that you believe that by having more edits gives you more authority in the article, which is something I disagree.

Well I'm not the only one who asked you to watch your tone BozMo did the same, but in general your wording is rude so people get offended perhaps you don't notice this because English is not your native language or, as you said on other occasion, you think you're joking and people would understand your tone by watching you across the screen. But as a rule of thumb, just don't tag with "ignorant", "brainwashed" or things like that to others.

Finally, yes you mentioned the War of the Pacific article, and well as I told you that's your area of interest, I'm not the police here, if we collided was because the Diablada was my area of interest and I believe I have many good studies about it, in English made by respectable people, but your attitude was out of proportion. So now I'm asking you, your interests are completely opposite to mine so we don't have the need to see each others until the mediation starts, I won't edit the Diablada article until we can have the attention of the mediatior but meanwhile, just let's avoid conflict, that's all I'm asking. Erebedhel - Talk 19:04, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

You want to avoid conflict when it was you who began this discussion? Or, did I begin to argue with you when you told Ryan that I was "patrolling" articles and that my actions should be checked? I most certainly did not. I let you talk bad about me for the sake of not making any conflict; and, yet, when I ask Ryan (our mediator) to take a look at your currently biased "workshop" article, you aggressively begin to personally attack me. Yet, you complain about being insulted and now ask to "avoid conflict." That's called being a hypocrit. There's no way to sugar-coat the word Hypocrit.

The "Peruvian scholars" and the "Bolivian scholars" thing could most certainly work in the history section of the article (where it actually goes in depth of the material). However, this does not apply for the introduction which is supposed to be an overview of the Diablada, not of specific demands or arguments.

My statement is not offensive. I'm not asserting that Bolivians are ignorant. That's why there's the word "if." Perhaps you don't understand this because English is not your native language as well.

Peruvian culture overlaps the culture of certain countries, particularly that of Bolivia. Once more, Peru is not the one which is "stealing" Bolivian culture. That culture belongs to the Andean region; it belongs to Bolivia and Peru (not to a single nation).

No. I know this "Diablada dispute" is not a recent thing; despite it is you the one who claims that Peru is "making up" arguments as of 2003 in order to "disprove" the Bolivian ideas. I blame Evo Morales because, as the head of government, he represents the Bolivian government; he further represents past Bolivian governments and their constant arguments in regards to this matter.

UNESCO does not mention the Diablada as a dance of sole Bolivian ownership. Why can't you understand that the UNESCO was simply refering to the Carnaval de Oruro as a whole and not to anything specific? If the UNESCO actually had anything to say in regards to this dispute, they would have already said by this point.

Scholars have a right to propose different ideas on the matter. Let me make this clear by setting it in bold: The Diablada's origin is debatable between Oruro, Potosi, and Juli. Nowhere in the current Diablada article's introduction (which is the most developed part of it at this point) does it favor one idea over the other. As stated before, only chronology is used in order to place Juli first, followed by Oruro and Potosi. Despite that, the first sentence of that paragraph clearly states that there is a dispute in regards to the origin of the dance. It is unethical to favor one place over the other, which is what you keep trying to do in regards to Oruro.

What opening statement? Please provide this "opening statement" you speak about because I'm not understanding anything from that statement.

I can and will keep using whatever wording pleases me whenever I do my writing. "Ignorant" is not an insult; rather, "stupid, imbecile, and idiot," would be its insulting related words. "Brainwashed" was not an appropiate word to use; but, as stated before, I already provided my general apologies.

You can go ahead and keep waiting for Ryan. The Diablada article is still in need of major improvements. You hold quite a lot of information in your Workshop which would greatly improve the article, but throughout the work you still have present a deep Bolivian bias that you do not wish to accept. Neutrality is the only thing that I am asking; once that can be achieved everything would be solved.--MarshalN20 | 20:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Hey There Marshal, i've been without internet for a while due to a recent move. I haven't been up to much lately other than just checking the pages on my watch list. I've been kinda disappointed on how some turned out, but what can i do I'm busier than ever nowadays although i try to change some stuff ever now and then to keep articles neutral and removing unnecessary information that pulls to one side than to the other. As always here are always people who change it back so it's a shame. How you been and what have you been up to? Unknown Lupus | 19:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm aware of Erebhedel's actions against me. Not worried at all about it, if he wants me banned then let him get some proof first, otherwise i could care less what he posts of me. It's sometimes a shame that everyone can edit the pages because they either delete information to put their opinions or they simply vandalize the page. Sometimes though good information is shared but that's rarely the case with IP editing. Good luck on your studies Marshal, if you need any help with pages I'll be happy to give aid. Unknown Lupus | 17:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)