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Edit to Lican Ray, Chile
Hello Dentren,
I can see from your list of contributions you've made a lot of contributions to Chile, and I'd guess you have quite a passion for it, otherwise you wouldn't have done so much.
I'd guess you are living in Valdivia, or nearby, and have probably heard that today the government has approved the Region of the Lakes. (Are you going to be the first to do an article on it?)
My reason for contacting you is referece to your renaming of the article Lican Ray, Chile to Lican Ray.
I started that article and gave considerable thought to giving it the name of Lican Ray, vs Lican Ray, Chile and chose the latter because I believe that unless there is absolutely no way that this might be confused or thought of in another way, it should have the most complete and correct name possible.
I have to keep remining myself that, different from a print publication, Misplaced Pages makes it easy to re-direct people from one place to another. If it is necessary, or even just desirable a user could create a redirect from the simple name to the complete correct one, insted of the other way around.
If this approach were followed from the start with every new article which were written, it would avoid the need for considerable re-editing in the future, especially in cases where there are multiple uses of a particular name. Lican Ray is not liketly to be one of those cases, but one which is an excellent example is "Castro", which you might recognize from the island of Chiloe. See Castro, if you're interested in seeing what I mean.
I'd really like to encourage you to undo the change you made to Lican Ray and, in the future follow the principle which I've explained above if you create any new articles (which I'd be willing to bet you will). If you've not seen it you might be interested in reading Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (settlements), especially if you expect to do new articles on other places.
By the way, I like your display of flags of places you've been. I might do that on my own page sometime but it might not leave much room for anything else. (a slight exaggeration perhaps, but I think I might have you beat ;)
I understand what you mean, but in the case of Lican Ray, it is already very specific. There isn't any other thing with the same name (now) in wikipedia, so i dont think you can compare it with Castro in Chiloe. Unless there is no wikipolicy about names i dont see any reason to change it, but if you insist let put a ", Chile" after it.
I see you also have edited and created some southern Chile related articles, maybe if we get more interested people we could start a wikiproject. Hablas castellano? Dentren21:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that Lican Ray is not one where there is even any likelyhood of much conflict, but one never knows. My point in starting out as Lican Ray, Chile was that by doing what might need to be done at some unknown time in the future, I can save someone a lot of problems because it was a lot easier for me to add ", Chile" that it will be to change and redirect this page to that version if it were created in the simple form.
In a nutshell, as my granpappy used to say: "If you're going to do something at all, do it right the first time."
I also concede that there is no Wikipolicy specifically supporting my idea, except that the page I give you the link to, certainly would find this as acceptable. If more people adopt the idea, we actually make the Misplaced Pages more efficient in the long run because when a person comes to a page titled "Place, Country" they automatically have some information on the subject and we don't have to start the article with such as "Lican Ray is a town in Chile", we've saved a few small words and can jump right to the heart of the article with something like, "Lican Ray, Chile is a popular summer resort ...."
Also if you look at Las Vegas, you'll see that I didn't invent this idea, but it can be a very controversial topic as Talk:Los Angeles, California#Requested move #3 will show you, if you care to spend an hour or so reading about it.
Anyhow, I hope you might agree with my thinking about forming a habit of doing something that costs little effort now but may avoid future problems which we can't now forsee.
Yes I do speak and write a bit of Spanish, and if you do get some Chile project going I'd be interested in knowing about it. By the way, did I guess right about where you live? --JAXHERE | Talk23:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
You are maybe right in that some things, specialy geographical names, must have a more specific name, but going back to the specific question; what is a town like Lican Ray more, a parth of Chile or a town? I mean, if a place article like Lican Ray must have a specific name it should rather be "Lican Ray (town)" (like Valdivia (city)) than "Lican Ray, Chile". Because Lican Ray exist with or whitout Chile, but it will always be a settlement, if not, it would not be Lican Ray. Do you see the point?
I believe that what you're saying is that it doesn't matter if Lican Ray is called "Lican Ray" or "Lican Ray, Chile", it (the settlement) isn't going to change, and I agree. But that is like saying that if your name is "John", then calling you "John Smith" isn't going to change who you are, and that, too, is true.
This isn't the concern I have in mind. My concern is that Lican Ray, Chile is more precise and unique than simply Lican Ray, just as John Smith is more unique than "John", even if you are the ONLY John in the world, we make it more precise by adding relevant information, such as telling other's not only the name, but where it is. Even if Lican Ray is never duplicated anywhere else it still is more useful for the typical English speaking user of Misplaced Pages to know that it is in Chile, if, for example it becomes twinned with another place outside of the country such as Magog in Quebec, became twinned with Villarrica. You see here that if you click on the link for Magog you don't immediately go to Magog, Quebec. What I'm trying to do is aid the person who is just learning about Lican Ray is that it is a part of Chile. Including that in the title of the article will help in that regard. It will help someone who at 3:30 in the morning was search for some material about a report they wanted to make but forgot to write down the name and just remembers that it started with an "L" "Where was that little town?", they think. If they remember the Chile part, they've got a start.
About a project, for this area, one of the things that has crossed my mind is to do something with all the place names with Mapuche origins and translate them into their equivalent English meanings. Another idea is a project on all the Volcanos or maybe Hot Springs that exist in the country. Did you know that Chile has 25% of all the active volcanos in the world? (I can't tell you just now where I read that, but it was from a pretty reliable source, I believe.)--JAXHERE | 03:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
"Even if Lican Ray is never duplicated anywhere else it still is more useful for the typical English speaking user of Misplaced Pages to know that it is in Chile", I know, I know, but i have my objections if this would represent a worldwide view, do they do the same with other small towns (that do not share name with other things) in England or USA? Misplaced Pages in English is not only for the natives of the language, as English is the modern lingua franca it should be so neutral as posible when used in encyclopedias.
I will start a new category (and maybe a list too) of places with Mapuche names. I have an old Mapudungun-spanish dictionary at home and I know some specific words in Mapudungun. We could colaborate in that work by correcting each other, and also made something like a "work plan"..
It seems that we may never agree on this topic, but I can tell you that there is a generally accepted view that major, well known cities like London, Tokyo, New York, etc. are OK to stand on their own. I think we might agree that Lican Ray is a long way from the status of say, Tokyo.
Another guideline I think of is that where it states that names of articles should be what most English-speaking users would tend to use or feel most comfortable. I think that you and I would feel comfortable just saying "Lican Ray" because we are both in Chile and know what we are referring to, but in speaking with someone who is neither in Chile nor even has any idea of what we are talking about we'd probably say "Lican Ray, Chile".
I think we've about beaten this topic to death -- if you wish to support me fine, I'd be happy to have you on my side, if not I'm not going to hate you nor engage in any kind of edit war with you. --JAXHERE | 22:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Osorno
Dentren,
I want to thank you for your edits to Osorno, Chile. I am very interesting in improving this article, and the photo and information you added are excellent. I hope you don't mind that I re-wrote the text you added, to improve its grammar. Please never hesitate to add to the article, even though English is not your first language. Any addition is greatly, greatly appreciated, and I will be more than happy to look over your work.
Its ok, english is not my speciality. I can see from your list of contributions you've made a lot of contributions about Osorno. Osorno is just so small.. how do you know it? Dentren18:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I have a very good friend who's going to study in Osorno this Summer, so I wanted to see what Misplaced Pages had to say about it. I'd like the page to be as nice and complete as possible, and I'm willing to devote some time to making it that. Did you live there? Korossyl20:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
No, no, I actualy live in Valdivia, a city just 100km north of Osorno. If you understand some spanish you try to translate from the spanish version, if you not, you can "copy and paste" the images from the spanish version.
Thank you so much for the suggestion! I have added quite a bit to the article, brining over much from the Spanish version. What do you think? Korossyl06:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Dentren. I'll attempt write to you in my poor English :). In Chiloé Island there are some statements that aren't true and maybe you could correct them. When it is told the last colonial stage tells about a Spanish reoccupation, but Spaniards never went from Island until 1826. Another issue is architecture, stilt houses were made at end of 19th Century in Castro, Chonchi and another villages, but they didn't a normal way of houses' construction. Bye. Lin linao05:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Si eres de Chiloe seguramente tienes razon, ya corregi el articulo y aproveche de crear el articulo Chilota architecture. Eso si tengo dudas si realmente se dice "chilota architecture" y no "Chiloes architecture"..
Viendo los articulos que has mejorado o creado seguramente te interesaria crear un wikiproyecto acerca de Chile, de chiloe o algo asi.. Estoy tratando de reunir contribuidores interesados en crear un wikiproyecto relacionado con Chile. Que dices? Dentren18:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Start by putting your experiments on this link → /sig ←. As soon as you add something there and save it your new sub page called User_talk:Dentren/sig will be created. You might try playing around with the signature which is substituted in this page for my sig, just copy the following and play with it until you see something you like
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Just be careful you're using complete tag pairs, in your experiments above you don't have matched pair which might cause the results to not be what you want.
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Later, I started to think about the tremendous effort you've been putting into adding articles about Chile and, after looking at a few of them, would like to suggest that you might consider how you might combine certain articles when you create them to produce articles which are a bit more substantial and will not face the risk of being deleted because they are considered to be of insufficient importance in the English Misplaced Pages. An example of an article which might be in danger of being deleted is Riñihue.
I get the sense that Misplaced Pages policy is not to just delete any small article just because it is small, but there are users who object to tiny articles and would prefer to see small articles included in larger ones (up to a certain point).
The point I'm trying to get to Dentren, is that you might be able to prevent this kind of manipulation if you simply see if there are ways of combining your material from the start in order to produce articles which are of greater importance.
One of the combinations which I though might produce an important and interesting article would be a fusion of the various articles you've written about the Valdivia fort system, Corral Bay forts and the other related articles.
Please don't think that I am suggesting that what you've been doing is not valuable, I'm simply trying to help you avoid seeing someone else tear into your work who is not aware of the efforts you've put into it.
If you'd like to discuss any ideas you have for producing combination articles with me, just leave a note for me on my talk page.
Sure, I'll help if you put together a draft (borrador) article perhaps as a sub-page of your user account then we can look it over an polish it up before making the final move.
Further to the comment left by Jespinos on the merge of HuiloHuilo, sinc you created these articles can you provide some references to support the information in both the HUiloHuilo articles and the forts combination? --JAXHERE | 16:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Algunas precisiones
En la talk page del volcán Puyehue deje una explicación sobre cuál fue el volcán que hizo erupción en 1960. Si tienes una fuente confiable que contradiga lo señalado en dicha página, hazlo saber.
Creo que el nombre correcto es Lago Caburgua, en el sitio del Instituto Geográfico Militar de Chile no hay referencias a Caburga. Expón tus fuentes si crees que lo anterior es errado.
You are right. I forgot to finish the sentence because I couldnt find the word for manicomio (spanish), mental hospital/madhouse. Thanks for your help. Dentren | 13:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The equivalent word (taking into consideration the time frame, and that a "manicomio" is not the same as a modern psychiatric hospital) would be "asylum" which is an old-fashioned term to refer to an institution offering shelter and support to the mentally ill. Mel Romero02:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations
Hi Dentren, congratulations on the continuing contributions. There's a couple of points you might want to keep in mind as you continue to make additions:
In English we usually capitalize any word which refers to a country, or it's inhabitants. So we would capitalize Spaniard, Mapuche, Chile, Dutch, in any place that it is used.
Be conservative in putting in links to other articles. First, don't over-link. Usually wiki prefers that we link to only the first time a term is used in an article. Second, put in a link only if it is really relevant to the understanding of an article. Example, don't link to "river" or "seafood" in an article about Valdivia unless it is likely that a person would not understand what the article is about even though these words used.
When entering a link you can put in ] with the pipe symbol alone at the end and wiki will print out just "Valdivia". (This can save you a bit of typing).
If you have the Google tool bar installed in your browser, you can use it to spell check your edits. It won't catch words in another language, but it will catch most of the errors in the language it is set for and you can have it automatically detect the language, which will work most of the time except where you have a large mixture of different tongues.
Hope these suggestions are helpful to you. Ah, there's one more thing ... if you can add citations to your sources for the information it will greatly improve the quality of the information and avoid someone marking the article for lack of sources. Bye for now.--JAXHERE | 16:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
improved navability
Dentren, re your edit in Valdivia, the change was made by an unregistered user back in December 2005 or so. To me the claim of improved navability does not seem unlikely ... do you know what "subsidence" means? This is one of those areas where sources is likely to be quite helpful. Can you cite some authoritative source which has stated that the earthquake lessened the navagability of the river? If you can't then you may have opened yourself up for a dispute over this change you made which can't be substianted. On the other hand, the other editor didn't cite any sources either, which doesn't justify his claim either, but that does not make it right for you to state the opposite. If we can't find a source to support either claim, then the correct thing to do is not to make any claim at all and just provide the facts from which a reader can arrive at their own conclusions.
Maybe i should correct my edit. The fact of that the land sunk 2 meters doesnt mean that the navegability improved. Wen we speak about navegability its about bigger ships and not kayaks or minor sailing boats. Must of this land that came under water became wetlands and were full of dead trees. The routes that were already used bigger boats doesnt improved by the fact of that the land sunk 2 meters, they were already navigable, and the new wetlands made the borders of navigable more difficult to see. Ok the earthquake maybe didn`t decrease the navegability but decades without cleaning have decreased its navegability. Dispite of this there are still a lot of shipyards in Valdivia. Dentren | 22:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Lake Viedma
Creo que estás equivocado al incluir el lago Viedma como lago chileno. ¿Cuáles son tus fuentes?. Tal vez estabas pensando en el glaciar Viedma.
Otro asunto, has subido varias imágenes con licencias supuestamente compatibles con Misplaced Pages, pero en el los sitios que tú señalas no puedo encontrar donde se mencione dicha información. Deberías tratar de aclarar esto. No tomes mis comentarios de mala forma, notar que esto lo hago para que tú no tengas problemas. Jespinos20:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Mira el mapa, el limite no esta definido, por lo tanto no se pueden tomar las pretenciones, Chilenas o Argentinas, como echos. Quiza habria que tratar mas ese tema en el articulo. File:CDHS.JPGTourism map of the Southern Patagonian Ice Field, note the undefined part near Viedma LakeDentren | 21:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
No toda el área mostrada en el recuadro esta sujeta a disputa. Según un mapa que tengo en mi poder, la máxima pretensión chilena no llega al lago Viedma. Por otro lado, el glaciar Viedma tampoco ha retrocedido lo suficiente como para aumentar de forma significativa la superficie del lago y de eso modo se provocara que parte del lago quedara en la zona reclamada por Chile.
En google earth figura que Chile tiene soberania sobre dos pequeños golfos que sirven de dembocadura para el glaciar viedma. Por tanto tecnicamente hablando el lago es binacional.- y NO TE PREOCUPES NO ES LA PRIMERA VEZ QUE JESPINO APORTILLA A LOS CHILENOS Y TEN POR SEGURO QUE NO SEÀ LA ULTIMA TAMPOCO.
Antarcticwik05:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not aware if it's considered rude or just not right no ask for an article's revision, but there's no harm in trying. Could you please check my translation for Mount Tarn? Thanks.- Kilroytech17:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
villarrica volcano
Dentren, are you certain that Villarrica volcano (your recent edit) is part of the Los Rios Region? JAXHERE | 16:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for getting involved with Category:Settlements by year of establishment. When using the settleestcat template the last two parameters are used for the arrows which link to the last year of the preceding decade and the first year of the succeeeding decade. E.g. for 1768 we use {{settleestcat|176|8|1759|1770}} not {{settleestcat|176|8|1767|1769}}
. Cheers. Greenshed22:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello there. I have posted a naming conventions proposal for Chilean settlements. I would like to know your opinion. Thanks! ☆ CieloEstrellado05:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Dentren, your comments are appreciated. For your information, Misplaced Pages is not a democracy where policy is concerned and consensus is subject to change at any moment. It is my hope that common sense will dominate in this particular case and that any changes that get made (either now or in the future) are done for good reasons.--JAXHERE | 16:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
That's a good question, but in the end, where policy is concerned I'd think it is Jimmy Wales who is, I think, still "owner" of Misplaced Pages.
Consensus is a different matter, but from reading the various articles on the topic, consensus seems to mean what is most widely accepted in practice by the most active and serious editors. This means that a simple majority vote may still not be consensus if it is loaded with votes by people who seldom -- or never -- edit a certain topic, nor would it necessarily be decided by an extremely active editor who was simply disrupting the efforts of other editors. This is my personal interpretation, others might see things differently. JAXHERE | 14:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
For your devotion to improving Misplaced Pages's coverage of Chile, and your extraordinary efforts toward that end. Thank you. Korossyl18:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot to thank you for the barnstar, I would soon like to see a Chile-barnstar here in the english wikipedia. Dentren | 00:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Bariloche
Hi Dentren; where did you get the info about Austrians and Germans arriving from Chile about 1895, there's sufficient evidence, ships came from Europe to the eastern coast of the new continent, Americas, they did come after the second world war from Santiago, in the advent of the airliner industry, sinceraly, Moebiusuibeom-en02:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Right now I don't remember the source of that fact but i will search for one to cite in the article. Most of Bariloche's early history is related to Chile - Jesuits from Chiloé ¡where the first to explore the area, the first settlers in the XIX century came from Chile and it later depended on supplies from Chile until the construction of railroad that connects the city with other parts of Argentina. Many of the Germans that arrivet to the Bariloche area in the XIX century had been without land in the repartitions of the Llanquihue Lake. Dentren | 00:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Cut-off dates for Settlements by year of establishment
Well, certainly there was a culture in Norte Chico, but curiously no spaniard ever gave a name for them nor their language. D. de Almagro passed for this territory very fast and I doubt that he had time to deepen on linguistic issues before going back to Perú. G. de Bibar (or Vivar) said that every valley in Norte Chico had a slightly different language (maybe dialects of the same language). But none of them nor any other spanish cronists give a clue of what language it was, nor if there was a relationship to languages of Argentina (the tendecy was to use Quechua as a lingua franca instead of local languages, so the information we have is scarce).
I agree with you that they need a name, and that's exactly why Diaguitas is still used. But it must be remarked that "Diaguita culture" refers to an "archeological culture" and not to an "ethnographic culturte", that is, it was defined through material remains and through direct observation.
The name comes from the british-chilean archeologist R. Latcham, who thought that there were similarities between pottery of Argentina attributed to diaguitas and pottery in Norte Chico, and he decided to baptize this culture as "Chilean diaguitas". Modern archaeology has put this into question, but the name has been mantained for practical purposes (they need a name anyways). The next reasoning was that if both were diaguitas, both spoke the same language, and we know from spanish sources that in Argentina a language named Kakán was spoken, but there is no single proof that this language was spoken in Chile.
What language the Chilean diaguitas spoke, we simply do not know, the possibility of it being kakan is very low.
Gilberto Sánchez (1994-1996) says: "...el cronista Gerónimo de Bibar (1558). Los valles de Atacama, Copiapó, Huasco, Coquimbo, Limarí y Combarbalá hasta el de Aconcagua poseían sus propias lenguas, no habiendo grandes diferencias entre algunas de ellas. Así, refiriéndose a los habitantes del valle de Huasco, expresa: "Estos yndios difieren de la lengua de Copiapo como byscainos e navarros" (Vibar, 1979:40) Es decir, presentaban diferencias dialectales no muy pronunciadas. Desgraciadamente, no quedaron documentadas. Como consecuencia de la conquista incaica, el quechua era entendido en dichos valles. Por ello, según Vibar, cuando Pedro de Valdivia llegó al valle de Copiapó ordenó a la gente de a pie y a los yanaconas que hablaran en esa lengua a los aborígenes locales, los cuales huían ante la presencia de los españoles. "Luego el capitan de los yndios - escribe -, quando oyo la boz y entendio la lengua del Cuzco - puesto qu'es de la suya muy diferente, porque en toda la tierra y provincias de Indias cada XX y XXX leguas difieren los lenguajes - entendiola, porque avian tratado con yndios del Cuzco (porque tenian a las diez y ocho leguas del valle de Copiapo un pueblo ... de yndios del Cuzco), y como con ellos tratavan, entendia la lengua este capitan y otros muchos" (Vibar, op.cit.: 30)."
These inhabitants of Norte Chico become rapidly assimilated to the spanish culture by the XVII century: Los diaguitas -cuyo nombre entronizó el antropólogo R. Latcham- habitaron desde el valle de Copiapó hasta el de Aconcagua ( Ampuero, 1986: 27). Llegaron desde la puna argentina a fines del siglo VII d.C. (Comienzos del período agro-alfarero medio). La población era, en 1535, de aproximadamente 25000 personas. Sin embargo, "a fines del siglo XVI eran unos 1200. Toda la tradición cultural se esfumó; también la lengua, las costumbres y usos sociales, la religión, las vestiduras y las creencias" ( Ampuero, 1986: 27)." (http://www.facso.uchile.cl/publicaciones/sitios/lenguas/estadolg.htm )
Archaeologically, the actual trend is to split the "Diaguita culture" in "diaguita" properly (Diaguita I, II and III): occupying Huasco, Elqui, Limarí and Choapa valleys and "Copiapó Culture" in that valley. BOth differ in many features.
Wow, Dentren, you have done a lot of work for Misplaced Pages! On drafting an entry for Wiederhold: I dont have all the data at hand (when born, when died, a brochure of the Chile-Argentina company, etc) so I wont do it right now. When the Chile-Argentina liquidated in 1917, its assets were bought by a (former) employee: Peulla-based Argentinian citizen Ricardo Roth Schütz. With the assets of the defunct Chile-Argentina, Roth founded Empresa Andina del Sud, now aiming to develop tourism. This was a good idea leading to a successful venture, and Andina still exists. In the late 40s, Juan Domingo Peron, or maybe it was Evita, were scandalized to find that a Chile-based enterprise owned property in Puerto Blest and Bariloche, and these assets were expropriated (or confiscated). From travellers blogs I see that the building of the (former Andina) hotel in Puerto Blest is still there but not in use, and they wonder why. Ricardo Roth's father was the famous Swiss-born Museo de La Plata palaentologist Santiago (Jakob?) Roth. Santiago had sent his son Ricardo to check on the place where the "Mylodon", a giant sloth, had been found. Ricardo went by horseback all the way to Ultima Esperanza to see the Mylodon cave, and on his way back landed employment with the Chile-Argentina.
Hallo, Excuse for my english, I'm italian, from the city of Belluno, I'd like to add some words in the article "San Carlos de Bariloche", infact the founder of the city was German, Austrian but there were people from my city es. Primo Capraro. Can you add this infomation for me? Thankyou Bye bye --Armandoria (talk) 10:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hola, removí la categoría de árbitros chilenos de Mauricio Navarro porque el renunció a su nacionalidad chilena y adquirió la canadiense. Por favor, no lo adhieras más a ella. Gracias.
English:
Hello, I removed Mauricio Navarro from Chilean referees because he renounced to his Chilean citizenship and he acquired only Canadian citizenship. Please, don't add him to that category. Thanks. Frankedjsjs (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I have issues with the sources you have provided for the Chile records. The first, http://www.mherrera.org/temp.htm, does not claim to be the official national records, and appears just to be a sampling of local records. I'd prefer if the record was from a more official source explicitly stating that it is a national record.
Hi Dentren
I left a suggestion in the discussion section and would be very interested in your thoughts. I'm interested in helping with the establishment of criterias for Importance Assessment and would look forward to colaborating with you. GringoInChile (talk) 15:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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That is something you shoudl take to the talk pages and get a consensus on. However, equating the two sovereignty changes will likely undermine your argument as they were very different situations. There are differences between the two and that should be recognised, though I can understand that the title for the 1833 article is indeed imperfect. I'd propose some alternatives to that talk page with a cogent argument as to why and get some debate going. Narson (talk) 15:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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Chilenia
Hi Dentren. I hope that my edit didn't change any of your original meaning. I was impressed with your speed in creating the stub, it made me go off and look for some references. Mikenorton (talk) 16:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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Chilean region categories
In case you didn't notice my reply here: your comment could be construed as oppose any renaming, but if you believe that the main category is correctly named, wouldn't you logically be supporting renaming of the other category and the article, which are currently inconsistent with that? Alai (talk) 20:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Valdivian temperate rain forests
Hi, Dentren! You wrote to the Valdivian temperate rain forests article: "Chile's national flower, the Copihue (Lapageria rosea) is an invasive species that grows in altered parts of the Valdivian rain forest." Invasive species is usually understood as a non-indigenous species able to aggressively occupy space from native plants. However, according to the Copihue article and taxonomic databases (like GRIN), L. rosea is a native chilean species. Do you mean it is a pioneer species which occupy sites disturbed naturally or by man? Krasanen (talk) 21:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
You are right, I mean pioneer species. As far as I know the Copihue grows disturbed areas (both man made or naturally), or in forest that are not to shadowy. Dentren | 14:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Valdivia's photos
Hola Dentren. Encontre por casualidad tu artículo sobre valdivia, y me parecio muy interesante, más me gustaria saber de donde sacaste la foto del puente pedro de valdivia (File:Nochevaldiviana.jpg).. porqe al parecer, es mia, y me gustaria qe tuviera creditos, de ser posible, ya qe me costo un rato tomarla. Espero tu respuesta :) Majosita id (talk) 14:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Range/Volcanic_Arc/Belt
Hi. Just noticed your edits to Andean volcanoes. One thing though, ranges and volcanic arcs/belts are two different things. Volcanic arcs, belts, etc are geologic features and mountain ranges are geographical features. If you are making anymore of these edits please add them separate like the other volcano articles, thanks. Black Tusk (talk) 02:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi - please read Misplaced Pages's policies on reliable sources. The reference you added to your contribution is not a reliable source, and therefore I have reverted your edit. Furthermore, please provide English language references as this is an English language Misplaced Pages. There are plenty of sources available in English. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick23:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
1) Icarito is a reliable source, it is probably not the best one but it is still an encyclopedic site.
2) Not all references in Spanish Empire are aviable in English.
Patagonia template
Hi;
I just wanted to know why did you remove Chile's region template from the article Patagonia. I added that template to make the article more consistent throughout. As you can see, the Argentinian section, does have a small template.
So tell me, is there any compelling reason why the Chilean section should not have its own?
Likeminas (talk) 13:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
It is a mather of article style traverse templates are most often in the end of each earticle and not inside it. To have template there gives less fluidity ot the reading. If there any side-template or lateral template that does not cross over the text zone it would be better. Dentren | 13:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
You got a good point there. Unfortunaly, there's not much to chose from.
Do you know how make a small lateral template? It would be very useful for many Chile-related articles.
Thanks for putting the igneous rock template on all of those articles - it looks really useful! Do you think it should have an ultramafic section added? Awickert (talk) 19:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
The template could cover even more rocks.. Maybe and ultramaic column could be added but im afraid the template can soon became to big and complex, just as the rocks are... do you know how i can add backgroud colors to the wikilink so that mafic rock gets a black backgroud and felsic redbackgroud? Dentren | 19:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Dentren I know you edit a lot of history pages regarding Chile. So I wanted to ask your opinion on an ongoing disagreement that has kept the article War of the Pacific staled for a while now.
The disagreement is as to whether Bolivia declared war on Chile or not.
Lots of sources backup this claim, however, another version says that the decree of May 1st enacted by the Bolivian government –which was in fact a rupture of relations-, was interpreted by the Chilean government as a declaration of war.
If you’re interested in the discussion please visit;
This is to award Dentren for the input he put in the peaceful resolution achieved at the highly controversial article War of the Pacific. It is hoped that this editor will continue finding peaceful solutions to problems in order to uphold the honor that comes with this barnstar.
I've reverted your placement of the full stop in Ushuaia -- standard English practice keeps the full stop inside the parens if the entire sentence is parenthesised. Elphion (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Argentine IPs (especially 201.255.223.193) can be quite tiresome. (Your revert of his recent edit was quite justified.) But saying that the Argentines are ganging up on you doesn't help your argument. The rest of us are perfectly capable of recognizing Argentine bias, which is one of the reasons I got involved in the article in the first place. (When I was visiting the area, the Chilean military presence was quite off-putting -- but after reading about the Beagle conflict, I understand it completely.) I just wish my two favorite S. American countries could bury the hatchet -- without burying it in each other. :-) Elphion (talk) 19:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi just a heads up. FOr the infoboxes can you please add the country it is in e.g Chile and only add -4 and -3 not -4 hours etc in the boxes as they are wrongly red linked currently. Stabdard infoboxes always state the country it is in. You start with region which should be the second division. I know it may be obvious to you and some people but it just helps clear any confusion thanks.Dr. Blofeld (talk) 15:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
German Chilean page
You are not showing good faith or respecting the contributions that are made by other editors in this project; I was expanding the article and before I finished referencing you reverted what I had done with the following statement:
removed info about suposed genocide.. please put it back when there are sources for this claim
I advised you that I had placed a reference and then I further referenced my edit from a source from an Oxford University publication.
You once again reverted my edits with the comment:
removed not reliable sources, and changed genocide againt massacre. it was not in the intereset of the spanish to kill whole tribes of indians, they rather prefered them to work in the encomienda
The aforementioned statement - that you made to revert my edits - sounds rather childish and it is devoid of any proper understanding of the term genocide.
Before I started to edit this page it didn’t have much information and it was highly inarticulate; it resembled a blog with loosely placed statements that didn’t add to the syntax of sentences or to the logical sequence of information. It resembled a Simple English wikipedia page. I proceeded to translate the page on Deutsch wikipedia which was created with more effort and clarity – in the process I also improved and expanded the information.
I am getting the impression that you don’t want me or other editors to keep contributing to this page which is odd because I don’t see you making any contributions to it other than keeping it in check or reverting or deleting contributions that I have made.
It is better that if you have a problem with the contributions that editors are making to discuss this in the discussion of the page. This is a collaborative open project you can’t just delete or revert what doesn’t appeal to you – issues need to be discussed.
You should engage in discussion before you delete what you don't understand.
If you want to discuss the term "genocide" with me I'll discuss it with you and bring in other editors into the discussion if necessary. _Sincerely, C-klums (talk) 17:42, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Southermost city section Ushuaia
I've just noticed that you changed the sentence I added (with references) "Currently several tourism businesses offer trips between Ushuaia-Puerto Williams and the surrounding area. " ..to..."(More expensive options are offered by the private tourist industry.) ". Was that really necessary? It isn't part of the "sourthernmost city argument" and I can't see why since my one was just a generic entry to inform people that there is actually a tourist industry servicing both settlements/cities; Why "more expensive" description? several turism companies offered tours that include stop overs in PW and other 'estancias' but all depart from Ushuaia even the ones that come from Punta Arenas. Off course one needed proper passports since one is traveling between two countries. I haven't reversed it but suggest that you do because its not a part of the 'southernmost city' argument and expresses a generic true statement with sources given. Chuckarg33 (talk) 18:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I wanted to let you know that I reverted your move of the HMS Fife (D20) article to Blanco Encalda (destroyer). As per WP:NC-SHIP, this is the correct name of the article. Likewise, the naming convention indicates that Chilean destroyer Blanco Encalada is the correct name for the article that will (hopefully, someday) be written on the ship that served in the Chilean navy. Please let me know if you have any questions or issues. Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Dentren, I'm not saying that all Peruvian/Chilean editors are unable to use NPOV when editing this page, but it does seem that the majority of edits to this page are biased bordering on vandalism, and that the people making them are from one of the two countries...
I notice that you yourself swapped the locations of the Peruvian/Chilean history sections to put Chile first - which could be construed as being biased.
--Ozhiker (talk) 11:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi:
I saw you added a template under that section stating that the destruction of lima was not only made by chilean soldiers but also by peruvian mobs
Do you have any sources for that claim?
Please respond on the talk page of the article.
Thanks
Likeminas (talk) 12:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, this is listed under List of conflicts in the Americas#20th century along all peru/ecuador crashes, malvinas, etc giving the idea that was another continent war. I think we should make clear on the lead (or may be changing the name to dispute, crisis or whatever) to clearly show that was never a shooting war here --Jor70 (talk) 22:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Dentren, that map than you made is wrong in the north part of Peru, that territories than you initially assigned to Ecuador always has been Peruvian, not matter what claims the Ecuadorians, in fact is also missed the Leticia territory than once was part of Maynas and now is part of Colombia, your colaborations in Misplaced Pages must be accurated, and Tumbes is not only a small province, is a province of my country and your map can confuse the readers who needs reliable information from this article: I'm going to remove the map again, and I'll hope than you made the corrections before put it in again. Greetings. --Cloudaoc (talk) 18:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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Is there any particular reason that, when you wrote that article about a Chilean mountain, you included a reference to Sofia Loren's breasts? DS (talk) 20:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Local people in Riñihue and Flor del Lago call the two protuding mountains just east of Maltusado fo that. I will try to source that.Dentren | 07:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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I've withdrawn the nomination, but I think that the article could use some more information. I have found some biographical stuff about his short career in the early 1960s. Do you know if there is any information (maybe in newspapers or magazines) which covers his TV Career?
Ethelred is now attempting to use Misplaced Pages policy in order to promote his POV on the matter. Now he's incorrectly using sources that claim the dance to have been "spiritually" (Yes, as in "religiously") invented in Potosi, Bolivia. Instead of taking it specifically as a religious matter, Ethelred is now claiming that this "demonstrates" that the dance is Bolivian (I'm not sure where he gets this logic from either). Here's a link where you can compare the two versions, . The key thing is that "anthropologist Freddy Arancibia Andrade" never states that the Diablada as a dance was created in Potosi. There is another source from Nicomedes Santa Cruz that does state that the Diablada could have possibly taken place in Potosi, and I added that in the version I'm proposing; but since that version did not provide a date (like the one for Juli does), it did not seem as reliable (or exact).--MarshalN20 | 05:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
As I said before sadly Marshal has a dangerous tendency to see things that aren't there. I never ever wrote the words "demonstrate" or "create" or said anything that Marshal think I said. I just added a second theory and I consider I took special care in my redaction but as you know Marshal took it to the extreme. But if you want to see the part of the discussion where we asked for your opinion is here: ignore the rest I don't think that's relevant. But as I also wrote I'm not going to participate any longer. Thank you I think you're a reasonable person. --Erebedhel (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
War of the Pacific
Are you still interested on impoprving that article?
Given the countless number of disputes that usually arise on a contentious subject like that one, I wouldn't be surprised and I'd understand if you don't want to deal with it anymore.
But if you still feel like contributing to it, please feel free to come back. Regards, Likeminas (talk) 20:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Complejo Forestal y Maderero Panguipulli
I have been thinking about possible solutions to the Diablada problem today and I think that maybe we could try to use a more "formal" procedure. So I'm planning to propose that if anyone makes a change which is reverted, the person whose edition was reverted could open a section explaining what was his intention with that edition, the sources and the original text; then the person who reverted that edition would explain also with sources and no personal attacks or appealing to the WP:TRUTH his reasons trying to make like a list format to avoid making long discussions, making maybe like a rule to only have one intervention and then if you think you have the time to read each one's arguments and the sources give us a third opinion suggesting us what to do. I think I'll work on this proposal maybe making some templates to order things and start with it next week, I'll try to make an slow-pace editing, only once a day in the nights wait for responses during the next day, I think it could be more productive. but do you think you have the time and patience to deal with us? --Erebedhel - Talk07:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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I'm not really much of a "map expert" (I think "Keysanger" was a much better map-creator, but dealing with him is like playing with a double-edged sword), but I could try to give it an "improvement." Personally, I agree with you that the map is good enough as it is for the Chincha Islands War article. It is certainly really difficult to create a "perfect" map when at that time South American countries had a series of overlapping claims. It is truly often difficult to remember or add all of the related claims.
For instance, Chile and Bolivia did not establish a formal border until 1866 (the year the Chincha Islands War ended). Also, Peru had a border dispute with Bolivia over the "Acre" territory in what the map you created has as northern Bolivia (the region Brazil later took); to this day Peruvians (and probably Peru's govt.) consider that the Bolivian "sell" of the Acre territory was illegal. Ecuador also had large border claims in Peru, Colombia, and even Brazil; and the map you provide doesn't correctly set that either.
Basically, the whole point is that I agree with you on the difficulty of picturing all of these rather silly "corrections."
Nonetheless, I must say that, up to a certain point, it is important to show correct maps. Several wars have started as a result of incorrect maps; but Misplaced Pages is a "free" encyclopedia that anyone can edit and/or improve. If your map is "wrong," then other users can improve it as they see fit. To complain about the map and not do anything about it is really quite unproductive.
Well, I'll still try to do an "improvement" to the map, but it probably won't be "perfect" either. I'm sure Clodaoc has good intentions, but probably won't really do much of anything to actually do an improvement on the map. Don't argue too much about the matter with him.--MarshalN20 | 23:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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Dentren write: the majority of Chileans were mestizos (Indian and Spanish ancestry), genetic studies would not give a white majority 60% to 64%, what you write is inconsistent.
Guys, I agree is a good job, but I think in the heading should be genetic studies, first of all and we must find the sources of what he wrote dentren. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.36.24.47 (talk) 01:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Chilean People 2
--186.36.24.47 (talk) 05:30, 27 November 2009 (UTC)Dentren, the first heading to the Chilean people is more appropriate to the article, plus more neutral and not take part either by genetic studies that give a majority white or mixed ancestry for the majority of Chileans what is stated in ethnic and social structure(like all Latin America) which should not be named x genotype.
Chincha Islands Map
I updated the map in the file that you showed me, but for some reason it got corrupted. So, I created a new upload for the image. You can view it here: . I'm sorry it took me so long to make it, but I think the result should be pleasing to all. I give you credit in the file summary as the original author of the image. Best regards, and I hope this solves the problem in the Chincha Islands War page.--MarshalN20 | 19:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. If any more problems come up, feel free to contact me. I'll keep a watch on the Chincha Islands War page to see if anything important goes on there. I think I will soon begin a mini-improvement drive on the article (to source the material). It's a relatively short war, so it should be easy to make a good article out of it.--MarshalN20 | 19:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Chilean people
I agree, ethnicity does not equal nationality, but I'm sure you're aware that there's no Chilean ethnicity.
So why are we not including what the country of Chile considers to be a Chilean?
Sorry for the fast changes. You might be right that there is no Chilean etnicity because I have no seen any work defining it.. just only those that refer to all the inhabitants of Chile from unmixed Aymaras to Basque Chileans. However I dont think is the best way to start the article with an unsourced definition. We need to look more at this. If we campare to the articles about Germans we see that they are divided between Germans and Ethnic Germans, and the case of Chileans there would be no Ethnic Chileans.. no? Dentren | 18:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
in the Collins Dictionary Chilean is defined as "a native or inhabitant of Chile". We used that?
There does exist a Chilean ethnicity, but only when looking at things from the outside of Chile. Example: Chileans living abroad all share a common culture (speaking, cuisine, facial looks), and their descendants will share that culture; however, since the descendants "mix" with the other cultures, there is no other possibility for them than to "call upon" their Chilean ethnicity. Hence, they are ethnic Chileans; with subdivisions such as Chilean American (There probably are others, such as Chilean German, Chilean Spanish (or Chilean Spaniard, in order not to confuse with the language); but for some reason they are not mentioned here in Wiki). Chilean Americans are ethnic Chileans.--MarshalN20 | 20:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
You are right there is a cultural ethnicity.. but not a single racial. We now however that inside Chile there is minority groups such as Mapuches and German-Chileans and both are considered equally Chilean as an average Santiago person. It is mainly ignorant people from outside that questions the "Chilenity" of this groups. Chilean people as identity is associated with the Chilean state, before independence there were Spaniards, Spaniards decedants and indians. Chilean state is in turn associated with its territory. So tis seems logical to argua that Chileans are defined geographically, and so is the way it is done for adquiring Chilean nationality.
Apart from discussing the definiton, which is realy important I think this articla needs to be watched, there is some anonym IP´s errasing and moving around material they do not feel confortable with, specially this regarding the levels of Amerindian ancestry. We need to keep the article clean so its does not becomes an ethnoracial mess like Southern Cone#Ethnicity and Southern Cone#Racial classifications & Whiten ideology.Dentren | 20:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Conquered Population In Sicilian Emirate
What is the problem here? The section is sited to Michele Amari's preeminent treatise on the history of Islam in Sicily... Please discuss your issues on the article's discussion page. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommylotto (talk • contribs) 23:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Can you cite to another reliable verifiable authority that suggests the view of this section is flawed? Or are you just speculating by how it feels? Are you objecting to POV or undue weight? What exactly is your objection? What is your suggestion for improvement? I do not think it is undue weight. The whole article is about the Islamic conquest of Sicily. A single section about the treatment of the conquered population during this century of domination is in order. Not covering it would rather be a sugar coating of the fact that the indigenous population was, in fact, conquered and placed in a subservient position. (You will note that the article also covers the discrimination against the Muslims after the island was conquered by the Normans in the Aftermath section.) Also, the section does not only list restriction on the conquered population, it notes that they were allowed freedom of religion subject to the restrictions listed. The material cites to verifiable reliable sources, does not push a point of view, and is proper.Tommylotto (talk) 00:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello! I am currently working on the "Swedish Project" and "Award and Prizes"'s article Nobel Prize. Since it is a top importance article and not even GA class I am trying to make it a GA article and perhaps further after that. However, I'm in a state now where I could use some help. I need a new pair (several pairs in fact) of eyes to look at the article and the talk page for improving prose, debation of different things and some sourcing. Do you got any possibility to help out?
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Thank you for your comment
Hello Dentren I just wanted you to know that, as I told you before, I consider you a very valuable wikipedian. I was reading your comment on the RfC and I'll take into consideration your advice, regardless that on ANI Marshal was adviced not to continue with it because the case is already on formal mediation so it won't go anywhere else (besides some requisites weren't fulfilled during the 48 hours). However I believe that because of the lengthy threaded discussions of the past, my observations weren't clear and were mistaken with a false political view, which I found highly disappointing since the beginning because most of the anthropological studies that I have been studying over the past months were nullified by mixing them with politics. Perhaps you'd like to read some of them and compare them with the current sources in the article:
Max Harris
Jennifer Heath
Jordi Rius i Mercade from the Ball de diables board in Spain
Enrique Cuentas Ormachea pp-35-36
The 107 pages study in which the UNESCO declaration is based
And many more, I was always against using newspapers as sources and base my opinions on what I saw on TV when serious studies are available, I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. However our agreement was that I'd work on my workshop and MarshalN20 on his and wait till the mediator can have some time or in a couple of weeks we'd try to discuss things calmly on the talk page with two versions available. Of course you're invited to follow the development of the events. Best regards. Erebedhel - Talk07:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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Location of the commune of Antofagasta in Antofagasta Region
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