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When will Flagged Revisions be enabled?

We keep waiting. JBsupreme (talk) 08:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

We have a board meeting in the office in San Francisco this weekend. I will report back on Monday what I learn.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Good news, I hope. Cheers, Jack Merridew ;) 09:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Now that it's Monday, any new information, Jimmy? Fran Rogers (talk) 01:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

William Pietri is the man in charge of ensuring that FlaggedRevs are enabled on the English Misplaced Pages. The most recent comments I see from him regarding this project are here (from January 19, 2010) and here (from January 28, 2010 and February 1, 2010). --MZMcBride (talk) 21:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo: According to William Pietri's comments, the reason it is taking so long to implement flagged revisions on English Misplaced Pages is that the community here requested a special implementation, and this requires extra development work and testing. Given the community's eagerness (which is an understatement) to get flagged revisions working, I expect that the community would rather have off-the-shelf flagged revisions (such as the version used on German Misplaced Pages) than wait who-knows-how-much longer for a customized version. Could you please discuss the practicability of quickly implementing the standard version of flagged revisions on English Misplaced Pages this at the board meeting this weekend? Controversy over BLPs, mass deletions, reverts, etc., that results from the long delay in getting flagged revisions is causing considerable conflict and drama bordering on crisis. Thank you.—Finell 02:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Russian Misplaced Pages

Hello, Jimbo! Sorry for not very good English. I am user of Russian Misplaced Pages and I want to report about gross violations by the administrators and checkusers.

Firstly, I was indefinite-banned due some mythical insults of RuWiki-users in LiveJournal (!) without any diffs or links. Administrator, who banned me, said, that he wantn't analyse texts because it is very hardful for him. How this user can be an admin?

Secondly, afther this, Checkuser DR checked me without any reason, don't report about it and banned all my accounts with mark, that this accounts belongs me. This one violates the privacy policy of Wikimedia Foundation!

Thirdly, administrator User:Yaroslav Blanter delete my article The March of the Black Queen due to vandalism, but this assertion is absurdly! Right, this article later was undeleted, but administrators don't undelete edit, where I wrote, that author of this article is me. This violates my right to name (and CC-BY-SA License too).

Please take any action to stop this arbitrariness. Thank you.--Ole Førsten (talk) 10:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify. Ole Førsten was banned from editing Russian edition of Misplaced Pages because he made a comment in an external blog (ru_wikipedia.livejournal.com) in which he criticized the actions of one of ru.wiki administrators. I cannot give a reference to that comment because the administrator did not specify the exact reason for the indefinite block. It could have been something like: "Look at these idiot's actions". Ru.wiki administrators closely monitor the comments on their actions made in livejournal and immediately retaliate if they find any criticism or insults. After Ole Førsten was blocked, the administrators took additional retaliation actions against him. Checkuser DR inspected his IP address and prepared a letter to the customers of his internet provider suggesting that they report the "violator and vandal" to the provider. Furthermore, after Ole Førsten bypassed the block and created the article "The March of the Black Queen", administrator Yaroslav Blanter deleted the article to demonstrate his power. According to Yaroslav Blanter, any article created by a user who criticizes ru_wiki administrators should be deleted. After Ole Førsten reposted the article, it was deleted by administrator Blacklake with the same argumentation: users who come out of favor of ru.wiki administrators are not allowed to contribute to the Misplaced Pages content. Perhaps you should inspect what is going on at ru.wiki. Checkuser activities are of especial interest. Checkusers at ru.wiki (Wulfson, DR, Kv75, Wind, Ilya Voyager) have formed a "KGB" -- an organization that performs secret and undocumented checks of private information. This information is later used for various purposes. For example, checkuser DR obtained the information on user Serebr wiki-mail usage (number of e-mails sent and received) and published that information in Misplaced Pages. Former checkuser Drbug questioned the legality of other checkuser actions. In response he was pushed out of the "KGB". Now this organization of close friends is completely out of control. The same circle controls the "power" at ru.wiki. They started a witch hunting campaign -- a number of users with a reasonable contribution to Misplaced Pages content were banned because they questioned the administrators' actions. Basically the Soviet totalitarian regime has been restored at ru.wiki. Quite a peculiar situation. SA ru (talk) 02:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

This is just a suggestion, but it might be a good idea to email Jimbo (don't post them here) specific documents, links, diffs, etc., to back up everything that you say in your post. It will be hard for Jimbo, or anyone, to investigate based on just what you said, without specifics. Just as one example, how is Jimbo supposed to investigate the existence of a "KGB" or misuse of checkuser privileges without anything specific to go on. Likewise, give Jimbo links to the specific retaliations that you claim and links to the pages that you are quoting.—Finell 05:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I do not have access to checkuser logs (but Jimbo has). I base my judgement on my own story of the annoying intrusions in my privacy by checkusers Codemonk and Wulfson which later turned into the harassment and falsifications organized by Wulfson, Kv75, DR and Wind. According to the former checkuser Drbug, the "KGB" started with only minor intrusions into privacy, but ended with massive secret surveillance of the users' whereabouts. He was pushed out of the "KGB" for disclosing this. Recently Kv75 intruded into the privacy of Scorpion-811 -- a user who specifically asked the "KGB" to leave him alone. I do not have resources or time to investigate this abuse. In my opinion, it is simply irresponsible to give checkuser tools to complete strangers. And it is only a matter of time that checkusers bring real trouble to Misplaced Pages users in one of Misplaced Pages sections. As far as the actions in retaliation, Ole Førsten has already described how his perfectly normal article was deleted by Yaroslav Blanter simply because Yaroslav Blanter did not like the author. I can provide numerous examples of this kind if you are interested. SA ru (talk) 17:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I got a response from one of the the ru admins about this...it can be found here (it is in english). Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 19:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Isn't this administrator superb in insulting people? For your information, the user whom he called a "troll" authored 140 articles. Here is his contribution. Notice also that this administrator removed your message from the ru_wiki discussion page because he did not want it to be discussed. I think you can now make a conclusion who is a troll in this situation.SA ru (talk) 00:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

You are superb in insulting people in your livejournal community, that illegaly uses the Misplaced Pages logo, and your actions are belived in ru.wp as actions of troll.·Carn !? 21:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

What is going on in livejournal community is irrelevant because that's an off-wikipedia entity with its own rules and its own moderators. (I am not a moderator, by the way.) I will just very briefly explain to you that you were the first to insult me in that community. So, it makes perfect sense that you received a response in kind. SA ru (talk) 20:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

You're another one administrator, and you are just fear the truth.--Rock It! (Prime Jive) (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Jimbo! I present myself as a user Russian Misplaced Pages and I wish to say a few words about this treatment.

1. I fully support Ole Førsten and SA ru , as personally observed the situation and to testify that everything was as described Ole Førsten.

2. I myself have been harassed by administrators for disagreeing with their policies.

3. Today the administrator Alex Smotrov prowess to the British Wikipedian Ks0stm, in which he informed the Russian Misplaced Pages community about the petition. This is already a direct offense against the Russian Misplaced Pages community, as well as administrators denied his ability to know the truth about the situation.

Please take action, with respect --Lion Kevin Bustrap (talk) 11:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Note: Lion Kevin Bustrap was found to use open proxies. vvv 11:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

И что? Писать здесь под основным логином, чтобы ваша партия сразу прихлопнула? Джимбо, не верь им, они из здесь достают.--83.222.105.68 (talk) 14:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory. --Pessimist2006 (talk) 08:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Ага, ясно. Перечислять, кого ваша партия прихлопнула за «оскорбления на внешних ресурсах»? Только вот "оскорблений" никаких нет, так вы называете любую критику. Кстати, товарищ, что вы здесь делаете, не пора ли вам заступать в наряд по "охране границ"?--83.222.105.68 (talk) 13:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

• This situation with blocked user above is part of arbitration case #551 in ru-wiki. The case materials include clarification from administrator and also is open (by mail to AC members) for blocked user's comments. The case is not resolved yet. Thus, i'm not sure if anything shall be done until case will be resolved in russian[REDACTED] arbitration committee. Vlsergey (talk) 16:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

  Your description of the situation is somewhat misleading. This case was first suggested for a community discussion/vote, but one of the administrators canceled this discussion and claimed that the administrators are superior to the community. Only after these events the case ended up in the Arbitration committee where Ole Førsten does not have any chance for success because all the members of the Arbitration committee are from the ruling party. SA ru (talk) 20:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Blocking for external activities

Jimbo, please, express your opinion for blocking for external(out-of-wiki) activities. The discussion is now taking place in ruwiki and we would like to know your point of view. Rasim (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

A cabal running the Misplaced Pages... What an original idea. The Russian Arbcom is reelected twice a year, so it's up to you guys to change the "balance of power" as you term it, instead of complaining all over the web. --Ghirla 20:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yes, hypothetically. Just like Russia itself has free democratic presidental elections. In theory, you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.92.161.182 (talk) 08:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

How can the regime opponents change the balance of power if they were all banned by the regime on false pretenses? For example user:Lvova was banned for comments on her livejournal page in which he questioned the invasions in her private affairs by certain wikipedians. A word against the regime causes an immediate ban. They build their electorate by removing people who vote against them. SA ru (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Help!

Jimbo, you must help. Russian Misplaced Pages = KGB. Look, I am forced to write anonymously — for it checkusers pursue in Misplaced Pages.--83.222.105.68 (talk) 11:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, they deleted my article again, called me and ex-administrator user Lvova an vandals. They just feel impunity, but as soon they got some punishment, they stop it.--Rock It! (Prime Jive) (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

  Please show the evidence of multiple deletions of your articles. SA ru (talk) 20:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Uhmm... This is deletion and protection log of page "The March of the Black Queen", this is same log of article "Stone Cold Crazy". Both articles are about songs by British rock band Queen and does not content any violations, but both articles were deleted and semi-protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock It! (Prime Jive) (talk • contribs)

OK. From these references, it is pretty clear (at least to me) that the following ruwiki administrators are stalking you: Yaroslav Blanter, Blacklacke, Claymore, Jackie, Mstislavl. I would qualify their actions as vandalism because they are deleting perfectly normal Misplaced Pages content only to prove your inferiority to them. This behavior is also provocative because they are trying to make you angry and show some kind of bad behavior. There is only one more issue to clarify. You were accused of making provocative and insulting comments to the newly created articles. Could you please write here the comments that you made to these articles? SA ru (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment to first article was "Автор — Ole Førsten", what mean "Author is Ole Førsten"; comment to second article was similar but with additional comment "посвящается участнице Lvova", what mean "dedicated to user Lvova".--109.184.225.170 (talk) 08:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Let me try to summarize this information:

1. ru:user:Ole Førsten is a valuable Misplaced Pages editor who wrote a number of high-quality articles. Several of his articles were awarded Misplaced Pages ranks of distinction ("good", "excellent", etc.)
2. At some point a couple of ruwiki administrators started to bully Ole Førsten because in their opinion he was not loyal enough to ruwiki "ruling party". Bullying techniques are well developed at ruwiki. Basically, the victum is blocked for minor offenses (typically, the reasons are bogus) and insulted in various ways. It is quite common that a person is blocked at ruwiki and then called names ("troll", "vandal", "homeless", "inadequate", etc.) For apparent reasons, administrators deny that person an opportunity to respond to these insults and simply delete his comments if he tries to bypass the block.
3. After one of the bullying episodes, Ole Førsten commented in a livejournal blog on the administrators' actions, calling them "idiots" (or something like that). For this off-wikipedia comment he was blocked indefinitely by ru:user:VasilievVV. The reason for this indefinite block was formulated as "for insulting of a very respectable person somewhere on the internet". When asked to formulate the reason more specifically, VasilievVV stated that he determined "psychological signs" in Ole Førsten. (VasilievVV does not have a degree in psychology or psychiatry.) VasilievVV also used Ole Førsten's off-wikipedia comments made after the block to justify that block. VasilievVV also presented a number of bogus reasons which I will not discuss here to make the story short.
4. Since it was pretty obvious that an excellent Misplaced Pages author was blocked in retaliation for his off-wikipedia criticism of the administrators' bullying, many Russian wikipedians questioned this action. They wanted to discuss this issue in the community. The attempt of such discussion was halted by administrator ru:user:Grebenkov who explained that administrators were superior to the community, and the community was not allowed to discuss anything without a permission from the administrators.
5. Now this issue is being considered by the Arbitration Committee. The Committee is composed of the members of the "ruling party". Voting manipulations were clear during the elections of this committee. For example, groups of voters switched their votes from one candidate to another in an organized manner. Additionally, one of the candidates (ru:user:Scorpion-811) was forced to remove his candidacy after his private information was revealed by the checkusers.
6. After the block, Ole Førsten started to bypass the block and publish perfectly normal articles in Misplaced Pages. This infuriated the ruling party. In response, ru:user:DR drafted a letter to the users of Ole Førsten's Internet provider. The letter suggested that the users report "the violator" to the provider. DR offered to disclose Ole Førsten's private information to the provider.
7. The articles created by Ole Førsten, although being perfectly normal, were promptly deleted by ruwiki administrators ru:user:Yaroslav Blanter, ru:user:Blacklake, ru:user:Claymore and ru:user:Mstislavl. They explained that a contribution from a blocked user can be accepted only under the condition is that his/her authorship is not indicated in the comments to the edits. Ole Førsten's articles included comments like: "Author: Ole Førsten's" or "Author: Ole Førsten's. Dedicated to Lvova".
8. A number of administrators insulted Ole Førsten in Misplaced Pages by calling him "troll", "vandal", "flood master". ru:user:Alex Smotrov claimed that Ole Førsten was a troll, and the community wanted to forget about him. None of these accusations are true. Ole Førsten was denied an opportunity to respond to these insults in Misplaced Pages. SA ru (talk) 14:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

The letter to Jimbo Wales

Hello Mr Wales!

My name is Artem Karimov and I am the former editor of Russian Misplaced Pages and current editor of English Misplaced Pages. I would like to ask you for help. For help for the whole community of RuWiki.

We all know that there are some basic principles of Misplaced Pages. Perhaps, the main principle is that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a blog, not an experiment in creating a state and exercising in applying police force towards others and so on. Unfortunately, such things are now happening in Russian Misplaced Pages. Current administrators really think that they are gods within the boundaries of ru.wikipedia.org domain and that they can do all the things I mentioned.

For example sysops of RuWiki has been persecuting users trying to express criticism about sysop actions somewhere outside Misplaced Pages since circa 2006. One of the administrators (EvgenyGenkin) has even written an essay called "Manifesto about guarding the borders" (Манифест об охране границ) where he described Misplaced Pages as an organisation with some strict rules where can be only some certain members that have proven themselves loyal. Finally, he concluded that not guarding a borders is the criteria of a dying organisation. This essay has become very controversial and was massively discussed both inside and outside Misplaced Pages. Despite the consensus sysops closed the deletion debate refusing to delete the essay saying that it "does not violate Misplaced Pages Pillars". This essay was described as an ideological basis of expulsion of different users from Misplaced Pages by bullying and blocking.

The main consequence of that is the declining of quality of articles in RuWiki and of reputation of Misplaced Pages and other projects of Wikimedia Foundation in Russia. For example when you read something like "Calcium may be good for your teeth but dangerous for your brain" (current DYK) an educated person will laugh really long and after that he will never visit wikipedia.org again.

Of course there were some attempts to solve this grave situation by some educated Misplaced Pages editors. The thing is that they are quickly expelled from the project by bullying and blocking. You may ask me "Why?". The answer is: when you think you are God and that you are Truth the first thing you do with the one who disagrees with you is either bully and block.

Maybe I am writing to you quite late (such tendencies started more than 3 years ago) but it is getting really nasty. There is an attempt to "correct translation" of Misplaced Pages Pillars in order to persecute each dissender trying to express criticism about sysop actions somewhere outside Misplaced Pages.

So, Mr Wales, the future of the project in Russia is in your hands. I hope that you will help us stop this craziness happening in RuWiki.

Artem Karimov (SkyBon 21:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC))

ROFL!!!!

ROFL!!! Man that was sure a good joke you told last week. I even put it up at my work.. one of my co-workers told me to thank you so "thanks". What is the next joke? xD Thanks for all the infromation on this great website. ~Marcus~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by BennyK95 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Which joke? :-)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Just kidding with you Mr.Wales. Sorry I thought it would be funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BennyK95 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Recently, I tried to create a page for a popular band in my town that met #11 on Notability:Music, it got a speedy delete template on it. I put the hangon template on it and on the talk page I explained why they should keep it. Before I got a reply, one user deleted it. I posted my reasons on that users talk page and recreated the page, then I put all my reasons on the talk page again. The same user deleted it possibly without looking at the talk page. Then it occured to me that Misplaced Pages is becoming more and more strict about rules and is seeming like a prison. It's people like that that stop Misplaced Pages from being great. What do you think I can do about this. Glee105 (talk) 23:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

To give some background, this is the band whose article was deleted. Bascically, this has nothing to do with "Misplaced Pages becoming more and more strict", such a page would have been speedy deleted three years ago as well, and any admin would do so. We are not myspace or youtube, we are an encyclopedia, with some minimum standards as to the attention a subject must have received before it can have an entry here. WP:MUSIC is the relevant page for this article. Fram (talk) 12:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

The article didn't actually say that they met WP:MUSIC #11 though. To avoid deletion the article had to indicate some sort of importance or sigificance, and it didn't. The second version of the article didn't have any content at all, just a {{hangon}} tag. For something to stay in the article space it has to be an actual encyclopedia article and not a comment by a user. If you want to contest the deletion you should speak to the deleting admin on their talk page (User talk:SchuminWeb) or take the issue to deletion review. Hut 8.5 17:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment request

Dear Jimbo, I think you could be interested in this discussion, which could affect the whole wikipedia. Misplaced Pages:Content_noticeboard#User:Stemonitis_and_space_in_front_of_ref_tag. Thank you very much. Have a nice day. --Snek01 (talk) 11:13, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Hate to butt in here, but is this huge debate all about the (mis)use of a space in markup? SMC (talk) 13:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

This does seem to be the case. I really don't think Jimmy is going to take up this one. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) 15:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Ex Yugoslavia case

There are users who make only propaganda for Josip Broz Tito and disrupts other articles such as Draža Mihailović, Ante Pavelic and many also. I am a new editor but I know user:ANTE RAKELA because we connects by the same national library in Milan so we have the same IPs. I request unblock of Ante's account and your action stopping fanatic user:DIREKTOR and his accomplice admin user:Spellcast: they are a menace and plague! Good luck —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.126.34 (talk) 14:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:YOULOSE. I'm sorry, but this seems extremely unlikely. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) 15:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

we can make a sort of petition here because we are 30 guys in national library at this moment: do you want a web cam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.126.34 (talk) 15:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

A bit difficult when you've been blocked for 31 hours. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) 15:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Its an IP sock of an angry banned user. --DIREKTOR 16:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Raising the baton for Adminship (Sing for the mop!)

2. Part 2

Misplaced Pages:Song/The RfA Candidate's Song

At this future-pivotal moment in Misplaced Pages history, we should not overlook unimplemented innovations from the past ... like demanding candidates for adminship memorize the song above, and sing after consuming a pitcher of beer to demonstrate their readiness to become the living embodiments of Misplaced Pages spirit. etc etc.

Of course, if Jimbo would sing it, we would all be much inspired ... (and we could consider that his audition for the Misplaced Pages Western Musical :-) -- Proofreader77 19:53, 9 February 2010 (UTC)