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Future exansion of page

In a recent edit I added 500+ entries to this list, doubling the list's size. My original intention before even gathering the new names was to eventually include every existing page that fit within the list's scope. However, the current list now contains 1,002 entries and a search shows the potential for nearly 7,000 more names! Obviously this is far too many names for a single page. The page is already at 99 kilobytes and is at the moment separated as follows—

1 Activists and advocates                22 entries
2 Actors/Actresses                       50
3 Artists                                27
4 Athletes and sports-related people
  4.1 Baseball                           70 
  4.2 Basketball                         78
  4.3 American football                 231
  4.4 Other sports                       36
5 Broadcast media personalities           9
6 Comedians                               3
7 Educators                              13
8 Entrepreneurs/Business leaders         21
9 Filmmakers                              6
10 Inventors                              3
11 Jurists and lawyers                   13
12 Military figures                      12
13 Models                                21
14 Musicians and performers             211
15 Physicians                             6
16 Politicians                           95
17 Supercentenarians                      3
18 Writers                               56
19 Other people                          16

What do others think about how the page should be dealt with once it becomes far to large?

Option 1: Leave all names on one page no matter how large it gets.

Option 2: Separate sections into new articles only once they have reached a certain length. (eg: List of athletes from Mississippi)

Option 3: Separate all sections into new articles at the same time no matter their sizes.

Option 4: Move from a notability-based list to an alphabetical list by list name and separate into new articles. (eg: List of people from Mississippi (A-C))

Another consideration to improve the page would be to add thumbnail pictures of people from the list to the right side. The equivalent Indiana page does this and looks pretty good, in my opinion. Thoughts on both issues or anything similar? — CobraWiki 05:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I've seen such lists broken down into separate alphabetical lists before. For example, List of people from Mississippi (A-F), List of people from Mississippi (G-L), List of people from Mississippi (M-R) and List of people from Mississippi (S-Z). Not sure if that is a good way to go or not. Haven't given much thought to it really. Here is a perfect example of how this could be achieved. - ALLST✰R▼ _{wuz here} 06:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria

Removed several people from this list who neither had an article nor a reference. Lists on Misplaced Pages have the same criteria for inclusion as articles, that is specifially notability and verifiability. There are no references for these two people, Dianna Freelon-Foster and Jody Renaldo and an internet search on google books, google scholar and google news did not reveal any sources that establish the notability of these two people. Just being mentioned in passing in a news report is not enough, and any article started on these two people would be speedily deleted. If there are any sources I overly looked then please, by any means re add these two people with a proper references. If not, well, references are NOT optional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.210.10 (talk) 21:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Now registered. So I am told in an aggressive tone "An IP telling me how things work but won't do the actual work themselves. Novel idea there. Here's your sources. Now make sure you remove the other 200+ entries without a source, ok?)" For the record, as I made it clear above I looked for sources, and I did not find any that established notability. There are also not 200+ entries in this list of people without a reference and without an article. The sources added by Allstarecho are completely inappropriate. One is for Dianna Freelon-Foster and is the staff list of a civil rights organisation. So all we know now is that she is a staff member of an organisation. How does that make her notable? The other source is for Jody Renaldo, (http://www.msstate.edu/web/media/detail.php?id=2362) and confirms that he participated in a panel discussion at the UMiss. Again, how does participating in a panel discussion make a person notable? So removed again, and I hope that the next time the editors who keeps on adding this unencyclopedic people will at least engage in the discussion and refrain from personalizing this content conflict. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mviroslav (talk • contribs) 16:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The sources prove who the people are, what they they do, and that they do it in Mississippi. Apparently you didn't read the Dianna Freelon-Foster source because it specifically says she's the first female and first black mayor of Grenada, Mississippi, which wouldn't mean anything elsewhere but it means a lot in a state known for its racism.   allstar▼echo  19:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you please stop the aggressive tone? No, I read it. But if she is indeed the first female and first black mayor of Grenada, then you surely should be able to find a reliable source for this fact, and not the staff list of the organisation she works for. I agree that if an indepedent confirmation can be found that she was indeed the first female and black mayor, than this would indeed make her notable enough. I could not find anything, neither by searching Google News for Dianna Freelon-Foster. Regarding Jody Renaldo there is still no source that establishes his notability. If as you claim these individual are notable you should have no problems finding a good, reliable and independent reference that discusses these two individuals. Mviroslav (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait. So I checked the Equality Mississippi article, which apart from having no or almost no sources that are both reliable and independent of the subject has an interesting box on the talk page. Apparantly Allstarecho is significantly related to Equality Mississippi. That makes me wonder why he or she insists on including Jody Renaldo despite the lack of references? Mviroslav (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

If you'd read further you would have seen that I, Allstarecho, am Jody Renaldo. I think I can vouch for myself where I live, what I do and when I did it. There are many third-party sources as well in the Equality Mississippi article. As for Dianna Freelon-Foster, the source is still reliable and acceptable. I think you should familiarize yourself with WP:RELIABLE and WP:SOURCE and for this case. WP:3RR.   allstar▼echo  21:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

What? You are Jody Renaldo and you insist on being on a list of important people from Mississippi, without providing any evidence that you are indeed important enough to be included in an encyclopedia. No offense, I guess you did some important work in your ocmmunity, but that does not make a person important enough to be mentioned on Misplaced Pages. As the links you provided show, what is required are reliable, published sources. An invitation to a panel discussion and a staff directory are neither. And even if they are, a lot of things are verifiable but that does not mean that they should have their own article. I could easily verify that my grandma died ten years ago via my local newspaper, but that does not imply that I should include here in the list of people from Ontario or even write an article about her. Again, if both these two people would indeed be so important it should be easy to find some newspaper coverage about these two people and their accomplishemts.

P.S. Oh, and thanks for the 3RR link, but what I do not understand is, shouldnt you familiarize yourself with this rule too? Mviroslav (talk) 21:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

If AllStarEcho is Jody Renaldo, then AllStarEcho should certainly not make any assertions of Jody Renaldo's notability, as per WP:Conflict of Interest. The question of notability should be left to other editors, to avoid the appearance of self-promotion on the part of AllStarEcho. Plazak (talk) 22:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

There's no COI issue in a simple list that is supported by a separate article, in this case Equality Mississippi, and reliable third-party sources. How can you have a related notable article and not include the person responsible for its notability, in a related list? Doesn't make much sense to me. But whatever you all think is necessary, I won't defend it anymore and will move on. I will still point out that there's over 200+ entries in this list that aren't sourced either so have fun and do the right thing, or what you perceive as the right thing, with them as well. -    allstar▼echo    22:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to come late to the party, but not only is there a clear conflict of interest in edit-warring to include yourself in a list with having an existing article, but I pointed out the COI involved in your creation of Equality Mississippi and including yourself in this list some time ago. Please don't reply with attacks or accusations. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Renaldo

I don't know if you all are just really that damn stupid or are just skimming across the source at lightening speed but the source does more than "Ref doesn't establish notability, name is listed as an attendee to a conference, nothing more". It specifically says in the source that he's the executive director. Also, nevermind the fact that another article on Misplaced Pages backs up this entry. Further, you can easily hit Google up for more sources but that would be work, wouldn't it? Nevermind, don't bother answering. It's obvious no one is willing to even give the entry a fair chance. 75.66.75.195 (talk) 05:24, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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