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(p.s. to readers, I haven't changed what I said near the bottom of here in the reply to meagamanzero, I will be consciously making much more effort to try ignore nastiness from other users and not retaliate as well as confining facts about corruption to outside sites, the replies below are just related to a previous issue and the conversation will not affect my edits outside this page

Please don't increase the block as I already said (see near bottom) the above things, and if you read below what malber said it should be clear to see that the bigoted comments he made would be enough to get *anyone* angry ) - in future I will not react to such nastiness though --Mistress Selina Kyle 11:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC))

RE: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Asperger syndrome:
What malber (talk • block user) (who from his talk page has a history of making unjust personal attacks on people that I do not) said was far more worse and extremely offensive saying that I "hiding behind my aspergers" (I never did any such thing, as I said)
and that I should "accept the fact that she's a jerk"

Why is he, the one that personally attacked me, not banned and only me who as should be quite understandable got angry with vicious personal attacks like those by malber?

This is sick and I would have thought better from you of all people to go along with this bigotry by malber, Essjay (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)..

-Selina

By luck I just found out that Alkivar (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) extended the block to one month on the: Misplaced Pages Review forums, http://wikipediareview.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1137241826

It seems it's for not being nice to malber after he said that Asperger's Syndrome was a fake disease/"social construct" and that I was pretending to have Asperger's Syndrome as an excuse/"hiding behind my aspergers" and that "she needs to accept that she's just a jerk"

As bliss2yu said over there: 'So its okay for Malber to offer bigoted hatred and personal attacks against me and an entire group of people, yet its not okay for me to call him a "prick" for saying that? --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

To the person that replied to my reply on WP:AN/I: It's true that building the encyclopedia is the primary goal, but if you're going to ignore the community and turn a blind eye to nepotism/administrative corruption, the editors will lose out and by that end so does the encyclopedia..

My response

Thank you for your concern for this issue! Please cease your misquoting of me here and elsewhere. I never said any of the things you're attributing to me. As a matter of fact, the only part of my post that was about you was the second paragraph where I demonstrated that 80% of your edits have nothing to do with encyclopedia building. You can't deny these facts. I could care less whether or not you have Aspergers. And I don't even think you have used it as a shield. I was responding to the idea that it should be used as an excuse for bad behavior. If you actually have the disorder, you should be offended at this idea. --malber 22:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

: Please don't lie and make slimy attempts at misinformation and fudging the facts:

A paraphrase of what you said is no less true. Here's the direct quotes from the link above:

• "most "Aspies" are self-diagnosed."

(Patently false, statistics pulled out of thin air)

• "It is unfortunate that in this day, bad behavior is hidden behind a constructed disorder."

Clearly saying that Asperger syndrome is a "constructed disorder" designed to hide "bad behaviour" and so "fake".

• "she can hide behind the label of an "Aspie" instead of dealing with the fact that she is a jerk."

Clear personal attack on anyone with aspergers, after saying that aspergers is a "constructed disorder" (/fake) then saying that they are hiding behind labels

I'm not offended at ideas, I'm offended by the vile bigotry you spout on the administrator's noticeboard and get away with it.

--Mistress Selina Kyle 22:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

As for "I demonstrated that 80% of your edits have nothing to do with encyclopedia building. You can't deny these facts", that's not "facts" at all, that's your regurgitated Kelly Martin POV: The fact is that "encyclopedia building" is done by the community itself, and when the community isn't working or is in such a shit state as it is at the moment with corrupt admins doing as they please, things need to be done.

That I spend a lot of time trying to make progress in Misplaced Pages itself and getting rid of some of the rampant corruption going on is no less important than your editing on comic books, kiddie television shows, lord of the rings and music colleges most people have never even heard of. Get off your high horse, you're not so important yourself, and it's laughable looking at your contributions to accuse me of "not making important edits". --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I find it truly touching that you took the time to go through my contributions, but I feel that your habit of misconstruing the facts has followed you in this endeavor. Because you've shown that you're so concerned, I've decided to make this easy for you. Here is a condensed list of all of the articles I've edited, both minor and extensive:

Abby Lockhart Adam Rosen Al Franken Always Be My Baby America's Next Top Model American Idol Anime Anthony Anastasio Automotrice à grande vitesse Backgammon Ballad Barnes Municipal Airport Barnes airport Beast Boy Because of You (Kelly Clarkson song) Berklee College of Music Bill Sienkiewicz Bishop Lamont Bohemian Rhapsody Canid hybrid Captain & Tennille Cat Centaurus (Greek mythology) Ceorl (Middle Earth) Chuck Yeager Clay Hine Contemporary serious music Courage the Cowardly Dog Cowbell David Brown-Dedham, Massachusetts David Gill, M.D. David H. Stern (Messianic Jewish theologian) De Lorean DMC-12 Dimebag Darrell Dobro Dragonball Zeta ER (TV series) Elisabeth McCarran Emily Kennard Enter the Haggis Erotic electrostimulation FLCL Faruk CÖMERT Film noir First Internet Backgammon Server First Internet Backgammon Server (F.I.B.S.) Flatulence Florence Nibart-Devouard Florence Warner Fred Piper GF13-001NHII Master Gundam God of Thunder Guust Flater Gwen Stefani Henry Perrine Henry de Beaumont, 5th Earl of Warwick Hi-Point Firearms Hilldale Lutheran Church History of anime Hitler Youth Hole In The Head Hole in the Head Honey (Mariah Carey song) Huntington Beach Surfing Association Hurdy gurdy Imperial Russian Air Force In the future, there will be robots Ivanhoe J. R. R. Tolkien Jay Severin Jaywalking Johann Rudolph Schellenberg KaDee Strickland Kanik Kerry Weaver La vie comme elle vient (Lapinot) Lauren Bacall Leaf List of Prominent Alumni of Berklee College of Music Love. Angel. Music. Baby. Luxurious (song) Macclesfield local elections Magic: The GatheringMalber Mamoru Takuma Maple High School Marilyn Manson Marilyn Manson (band) Marketing reserch Massachusetts College of Art Maureen Dowd Miles Davis Moggy Monty Python Muammar al-Qaddafi Muriel Degauque NYPD Blue National Surf Schools and Instructors Association Night Ranger Notable guest stars of ER (TV series) Opium Osaka school massacre Ostravian Feudal lords and holders in the 15th and early 16th century Peter Carew Peter Jackson Philmont Kanik Philmont Kanik Adventure Pierre Menet Polydactyl cat ProArts Professional Arts Consortium Resh Lakish Rich Girl Riddley Walker Rockapella Roy Orbison Roy St. Clair Russia-Ukraine gas dispute Samurai Jack Schillinger House of Music School of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston Sebastian Shaw (comics) Shel Silverstein Social situation in the French suburbs Socks (cat) Star Trek Star Trek, other storylines Star Trek: The Original Series Star Trek: The Original Series (theme song) Steamer (Milk) Ted Ansani Ted ansani Teen Titans (animated series) The Bangles The Cat in the Hat The Dark Crystal The Mouse and His Child The Siren of the Woods The Wiggles There's a hole in the bucket Too Lost In You Too Lost in You UEFA Champions League 2002-03 USSA Upload image Upper Deck Company, LLC Use Your Illusion I Use Your Illusion II Uthman Mukhtari VS System Vertical integration Vibraphone Vibrissae Voight-Kampff machine Want Weatherman (organization) West Yorkshire Constabulary What-A-Cartoon! Wood fired ovens YMCA Camp Orkila

Again, you seem to think I was talking specifically about you. Nothing could be further for the truth. I see that you've stricken out some of my comments above. This is your talk page and it is your right, but it is quite rude. If you were to post on my talk page, I would show you courtesy there. But I imagine at this point, it is a bit much to have these kinds of expectations about you. A wise person once told me, "Don't argue with the Tellarites." I think it's high time I took his advice. --malber 02:17, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I would just like to note that I have, in fairness to the block issued to MSK earlier today, blocked Malber for 24 hours for disruption for the personal attacks contained in the above commentary. -- Essjay 02:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Malber, the quotes speak for themselves. You were not specifically talking about me but insulting an extremely large amount of people by claiming that serious mental conditions are "social constructs designed to hide bad behaviour and these people should just accept the fact that they are jerks" (bold bits direct quotes).. All I see now is an attempt to try "prove" that you're not as hateful as those comments showed you to be, rather than in fact maybe you shouldn't have said those kind of things in the first place. --Mistress Selina Kyle 10:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Sections regarding previous ban by Sean Black for talking about SlimVirgin's copyvio:

• #Goodbye. — Ban message
  • #Why I was REALLY banned — with quotes from Sean Black, the one who banned me, himself (SlimVirgin has now been recently making personal attacks on anyone that draws attention to her blatant copyright violations) Tony Sidaway is now holder of the block against me, someone whom has much to gain from me being banned as I opposed his deletions and blocks of people without even attempting to find opinions or gain consensus of other users and is a staunch supporter of kelly martin as either his, Snowspinner's or Kelly Martin's Requests for Comments make evident
• #A list of some positive contributions — Some proof against the constant accusations by some, mainly by Kelly Martin and her friends like Ambi (because I criticise their nepotism), that I make "no positive contributions": It's a total lie and a personal attack in itself
• #Why she was banned — refutation with proof to accusation by Martin/Sidaway that I'm a "vandal bot" like willy on wheels and so on
• #Blocked for personal attacks — Information regarding a previous block by Martin and the fact that I did not "personally attack" Ambi at all: Her argument was that that me stating the fact (later confirmed by others) that Ambi banned SPUI for posting this log was a "personal attack, and such her block was completely unjustified and an abuse of administrator privileges (that many would argue she shouldn't have in the first place)
• #=( — a discussion about the ban and possiblity of unblocking
• #Unblocked — About the possibility of unblocking; I was unblocked but Tony Sidaway (also a supporter of Kelly Martin, non-coincidentally) re-banned me

Goodbye.

You have been blocked indefineitly for trolling, personal attacks and general dickery. WP:AFG only goes so far, and I've had enough of this garbage. Goodbye--Sean|Black 07:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

AFG? - Assume Faith Good? - Sounds like Tonto!--Irishpunktom\ 12:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

By a strange coincidence, I was just coming here to give you a week-long block for these edits: —Cryptic (talk) 07:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

"The attempt to silence a man is the greatest honor you can bestow on him. It means you recognize his superiority to yourself." -- Joseph Sobran

Here's to you, kid. It was a good run. Good luck at college, hope you appeal this nonsense. Rogue 9 07:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Cryptic has a bias against me from previous issues regarding the Kelly Martin request for comment and his banning of users who dared to link to the request for comment on the userboxes page (these were later overturned as a misuse of admin..)

As for those two edits, I deleted them because he was repeatedly placing his comments at the very top and not like a Comment as everyone else does.. I'm sure this is not allowed and I have seen other people get their messages deleted too when they put them at the very top in front of everyone elses. --Mistress Selina Kyle 07:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Why I was really banned

I found this while looking on google for mentions of me:
http://wikipediareview.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1136878197&page=2
Some quotes from the page by Sean Black:

"I am friendly with both SlimVirgin and Kelly Martin, and MSK's trolling of those two whom I deeply respect and like was a deciding factor in my block."

I have never criticised either unjustly, and never made anything that could be perceived as an attack that wasn't actually referring to actions undertook on their part.. Pointing out misues of admin privileges and copyviolations is not "trolling"..

"She was not blocked (again, not a ban, they're different) for discussiong the fair use image- that was part of it. MSK does not, and has not, done any work in the fair use area- indeed she has hypocrtically supported the "right" to fair use images on user pages, while at the same time virulently criticising SV for having one on her user page- to me, that says that she was trolling, especially as she had a history with Sarah."

This is a lie, I never supported the "right" to fair use images on user pages and I have removed fair use images from user boxes before (example: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template%3AUser_AI&diff=33512788&oldid=33511054 ) and have NEVER said that fair use images should be allowed to be used on user pages: (Assuming good faith:) It sounds like he's got me confused with someone else. I DID disagree with Kelly Martin's deletions, but that was, as I said all along, on grounds of allowing people to show what their POV is on user pages and nothing to do with the images (I personally think she should have just removed the images like is the standard for anything else, it would have been a lot more sensible).

I am sorry for arguing too often but if you look at the list of example good edits you can see I'm not a vandal and only wish good for Misplaced Pages, especially with regards to the "community" section below.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

A list of some positive contributions:

Because of some people claiming I don't make them, who obviously aren't looking properly if you read below..

(the fact that I tend to make lots of little edits one after another which kinda ruins the diffs when people are only looking at contributions and not checking the individual articles' history probably doesnt help I know but oh well..):

• Macro virus (biology) (article made by me)
• Black Triangle (article made by me)
• Blood fetish (article made by me)
• Latex clothing (quite a lot of work)
• Sexual Freedom Coalition (article made by me)
• Various edits to improve Christmas, prior to my edits did not mention Yule or Winter Solstice at all even though most of modern traditions derive from those. Article in it's current version says this (in a seperate paragraph though, since been expanded a bit.. I was the catalyst })
• Fixing Asp (which was quite ambiguous)
• Improvement of Royal Marines plus fixing the fact that Green Beret previously redirected straight to the US special forces (not a world-wide view)
• Much better photo on Saint Hill
• Keeping NPOV on Bomis
• Lots of work on F.E.A.R
• Improvement on Barett
• Factfinding on World government (someone tried a spoof web page insertation as a "real" organisation)
• link fixing/wikifying on Father Grigori
• Trivia on Flogging Molly (Main songwriter and lyricist Dave King composes his verse on a typewriter manufactured in 1916, the year of the Easter Uprising in Ireland.)
• minor improvement/making it more factual on Asperger syndrome (I have it and know quite a few other people that have it and it's very wrong to suggest that physical oddities commonly go hand in hand - Ok, the Nazi bit was a bit over the top and was removed by someone else afterwards, but it's true that "cure autism" is very similar to eugenics in practice)
• wikify on Hardiman
• Fixing links on Space exploration
• Celt wikifying and putting a notice on there regarding a point highlighted by another user on the talk page
• Removing POV linking as an attempt to show, a bit childishly, "but they do it too!" as well as fixing a dead link, finding an archived copy of a no longer existing page (Al Qaeda training manual)] on Islamist terrorism
• removing slightly racist and sexist POV on Mail-order bride
• Vandalism reverting on Wipipedia
• Rewording, wikifying/cleanup on Fetish fashion

Images:

• The main image (much better than the previous one), plus a good extra one on Jimmy Wales (I tend to go Commons-hunting })
• The main image on Black Mesa Research Facility
• The main image on Flogging Molly (as well as a bunch on Talk:Flogging Molly for someone to change if they want)
• Commons:Image:Bluray.png -
• Commons:Image:Flag of Taiwan.svg -
• Image:Flag of Northern Ireland2.svg -
• Bifemale.png (uses link) - File:Bifemale.png
• Bimale.png (uses link) -
• Leather, Latex, and BDSM pride2.png (uses link) -
• Triangle-black.png (uses link) - File:Triangle-black.png
• Bisexual2.png (uses link) -
• Image:Satan as Lawyer.jpg - File:Satan as Lawyer.jpg (lol anyone who reads Discworld will get my implied point about lawyers being evil)

Community stuff

• I was the one who alerted Jimbo about the typo in the link to his personal appeal which was stopping people being able to read it (or donate there): User talk:Jimbo Wales#Personal appeal, it was fixed a little after my message
• Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#That box needs to go away - I pointed out an important fact to someone trying to get the notice about Misplaced Pages needing donations to go away, that Misplaced Pages needs more donations to keep running
• telling FireFox about someone impersonating his account
• Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship: lots of people agreed with what I said in this category and added themselves to it with {{user world}}: And it was my creation and idea } (check the histories)
• {{user admin}}
• {{tl2}}
• {{tlu}}
• {{tl2u}}
• {{user bifemale}}
• {{user lipstick}}
• {{user bimale}}
• {{user freespeech}}
• {{user teen}} (no one used it prior to my edits, improved it so it wasn't ageist, and subsequently quite a few used it)
• {{user apple sucks}} - Tony Sidaway deleted this template almost instantly after I linked it here, for the record it said "Mac" and "Pod" and "This user would rather die than become an AppleCorp consumerdrone" (linking to Consumerism), Apple fanboy maybe?)
• {{user ms sucks}} - Tony Sidaway deleted this quite a while after the apple template, seems likely he only intended to delete the apple template but then realised he couldn't speedy (bypassing attempting to get consensus first at TFD) that without deleting this too. For the record it said "M$" and "This user would rather die than become a MicroCorp consumerdrone"..)

got to go out (college) will fill in more later... this is really is a joke, I like Misplaced Pages and I do much more good than harm... I really do try my best and have been getting better a bit, I rarely actually insult people now.. --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 08:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

(back now, this is an old message) --Mistress Selina Kyle 11:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

In answer to MSK's speculation, I'm actually a user of Debian and Ubuntu systems and use neither Apple nor Microsoft products. That is not to say that I condone the abuse of Misplaced Pages resources to attack either company or their customers, however. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Why she was banned

Just for a bit of history, check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:AN/I#User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle

And yet this is the reason why she was blocked: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Mistress_Selena_Kyle_blocked

Notice the "neutral" view of Kelly Martin. Wait on, she wasn't the one that was unfairly blocking MSK was she? Or one of the 2 corrupt admins that MSK was trying to expose? No, no, obviously not. KM would never pretend to be neutral when she's actually directly involved... Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 00:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Martin is one of very few users on this wiki who are entrusted with checkuser privileges. This means that she can examine IP numbers of users. In her note on WP:AN/I, she notes that "On a "lark" I ran a CheckUser on the dear departed Mistress Selina Kyle. It turns out that she shares an IP address with a veritable nest of program vandals. Two of the IPs she has used, including the one she shares with the squad of vandals, belong to a company not engaged in the business of providing web connectivity (they are actually a hosting provider). I suspect that "she" is in some way involved in the program vandalism we've been seeing for months. Given this, I see absolutely no reason why she should not be banned permanently, and the earth salted in her footsteps."

This is pretty serious stuff, and coming from Kelly it is not something to be taken lightly or described as the activities of "corrupt admins", lest one be mistaken for a troll. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

So one can't even question Kelly's "evidence" without being accused of being a "troll"? Jeezus, next you'll be setting up re-education camps, man. When several vandals with different MOs, plus the user in question, share an IP, it's perverse to assume they are all the same person. I don't think you could even begin to consider that assuming good faith. Jeez, can't you just give the kid a break? She's been a bit shouty, not wrecked the place. And put yourself in the shoes of the overexcited young people here, Tony. They see an admin who's had a few words with the user in question, has blocked her and now has dug up some sort of "evidence" to burn her with. Kelly hasn't exactly reached out to them, and, sad to say, neither have you. -- Grace Note.

Ok, read this:

The IP I'm logged at the moment in with is an anonymous proxy, it's a website I found. It's not the usual IP I use, when I'm editing at home, but at the moment I am at college and so any edits from here would reveal the college ("school" for americans ;)) I go to for those with checkuser privileges.. Yes, like Kelly Martin who would probably love to know what college I go to so that either she or others could harass me -_-

I'm only using this to keep my personal information safe and do not usually use this IP

Block it if you want (doubtless you will and laugh happily maybe) but there was no bad intentions here and I've not made any edits with this IP other than logged in. For your information it's listed on a big web page full of proxies that comes up near first on Google and the address is http://concealme.com/nph-proxy.pl / http://concealme.com/ (try it for yourself and you will see)'

Sorry to disappoint you Martin and Sidaway ( :P ) (even more so because I've actually done much better work than you could have done yourself, letting you know what your mythical "hosting provider" really is). --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

That would be believable--we do sometimes make mistakes--if you had not revealed in your edits your pathological propensity for troublemaking. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

And for the fact that she uses a second IP address from that same hosting farm -- which no other editor has ever used. One has to wonder. Kelly Martin (talk) 14:30, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess the IP must have changed or something. Why don't you try it for yourself and see? I already gave you the link but it sounds like you just want to put your hands on your ears and pretend that you're right --Mistress Selina Kyle 14:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

If they were interested in justice, they'd check out your story. It's plausible -- much more plausible than suggesting you're connected with Willy on Wheels. But I'm afraid you've already been hanged. Probably best to rise from the dead and keep your nose clean. -- Grace Note.

Blocked for personal attacks

I have blocked you for four hours for not respecting the no personal attacks policy I've placed on my user page. Your comments were a personal attack of User:Ambi and will not be tolerated. You were warned by the warning at the top of my page, which I also seem to recall you complaining about, so there's no excuse for not being aware of it.

Please refrain from personal attacks in the future. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The relevant quote from your talk page, and the only mention of me of Ambi there is "respected contributor User:SPUI was banned for a while shortly after posting it on Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Kelly Martin by Snowspinner (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) (and permanantly from the chat room by Kelly's friend Ambi)" ("posting it" referring to the chat log posted)

Are you saying that saying Ambi is your friend is a "personal attack"? I doubt many people would agree that's a justified block according to blocking policy. --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Neither is saying that Ambi blocked SPUI from the chat channel a "personal attack": This is true, I did not "make this up" as Kelly is now claiming on her talk page: SPUI himself says it here: "And now I've been banned from #wikipedia by ambi2 for posting the above here. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 06:22, 1 January 2006 (UTC)" - He may be unbanned now, but she did ban him and it's a lie to say otherwise. --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Derry/Londonderry

Hello, I'm ]. An edit that you recently made seemed to be a test and has been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on ]. Thanks! --Kiand 20:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not "vandalise" any pages... --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Please refrain from making test edits in Misplaced Pages pages, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. Thank you. Djegan 21:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I HAVE NOT ADDED "nonsense", please stop categorising anything that challenges your POV as "vandalism", it is wrong... --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to wikipedia but remember the 3RR rule. Djegan 21:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

If you know anything about Northern Ireland, you should know that this is a difficult subject. The BBC uses "Derry" and "Londonderry" alternately in the same news item and begins each alternate story with one, then the other. Misplaced Pages can't do that easily - the article has to go somewhere. So we have ended up with a compromise that is equally unfair to both points of view. We all have to accept that shouting louder at people doesn't resolve a dispute, it only makes it worse. Before you leap in making wild accusations, please read Derry/Londonderry naming dispute and then the discussions at talk:Derry and talk:County Londonderry. Truth and reconciliation commission might help too.

On Misplaced Pages, we use the term "vandalism" when someone destroys a consensus text that has evolved as the most neutral way to describe the issue. Inevitably, people on each side with very firmly held views will continue to believe that it is disgracefully biased towards the opposing point of view. The texts of "Derry" and "County Londonderry" have been attacked repeatedly by Republicans as being Unionist propoganda. --Red King 21:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

If I gave the impression that you couldn't improve existing text, then I agree that this is quite wrong. "Vandalism" was a lazy way to describe waht you did and the term really applies to wholesale blanking or over-writing with obscenities. A more accurate way to express it is that we aim for neutrality (NPOV = neutrality) A blatantly "(partisan) point of view" or "POV" - which should be PPOV - will get reverted. That goes for Sinn Feiners as well as DUPers. --Red King 00:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello and welcome

You seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot a little bit. First of all, let me give you the official welcome: Welcome!

Hello Mistress Selina Kyle/Archive1, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

• The five pillars of Misplaced Pages
• How to edit a page
• Help pages
• Tutorial
• How to write a great article
• Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Misplaced Pages:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! 

Secondly, I should point out that the posters above are quite mistaken--none of your contributions should have been considered vandalism. That said, do try to interact on talk pages before making significant changes to controversial pages. Oh, and one more thing--your user page currently claims you're an administrator. You should remove that template--it's not a good idea to give a false impression about yourself.

Please let me know at my talk page if I can be of any assistance. Chick Bowen 21:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I can't think of a specific rule against it, but it does seem a bit strange to me, and someone might ask you to do something you're not able to do, like protect a page or block a user. I guess all I can say is this--if you were ever to try to become an administrator, and people found out you were already claiming to be one, they might well hold it against you. Chick Bowen 00:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

haha like anyone'd vote for me. ;) --Mistress Selina Kyle 00:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

User world

Thank you for that o mistress - your wish shall be done :) Grutness...wha? 00:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Same comment. Cheers -- Svest 01:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)  

Moi aussi. But the "tl" didn't work. The template seems to work just fine with the short version {{world}}. I may copy your seal hunt stuff to a wikicity about aquatic beings. Robin Patterson 03:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

World citizen?

Out of interest, where did you see that I was a "world citizen"? I don't remember writing that. Regards — Dan | talk 00:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I have no recollection of having done that. Seems it was more than a year ago. — Dan | talk 01:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply

God bless you for your kind words miss! I've now added myself to the wiki punk rockers list which I never previously knew about! quercus robur 02:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC) (PS that pic was taken 22 years ago...)- This is me as well (lying down...)

Sorry...

I apologize if I sounded grumpy, but it's very suspiscous when someone does that. Sorry again, but that was not something I could take lightly. I didn't want to offend, but it's very dangerous for someone to impersonate an administrator, and needs to be avoided. Sorry again.--Sean|Black 02:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

If it really is that bad maybe something needs to be done to make it impossible to do.. like with protecting pages "protecting use of templates" would be a good idea.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ole

I don't think i can reconcile Prodigy with techno, sorry. I might have to assert my POV there...Anyways, read this:

"happiness not money - money is just a tool for helping it along for both yourself and others" Would you be suprised if i stated that happiness will buy you money? Just read an article in the WSJ or the Times a few days ago, citing recent research that attests for that. So, be happy, and more likely than not, you'll end up loaded :)

Cool friend template, by the way.Dragonlord kfb 08:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Counter vandalism unit

Greetings, mistress; I hope that thou don't matter that I took thy advice on User:Rama's talk page for myself, and the big pic from thy user page. May I hear from thee how can I join thy counter-vandalism unit? HolyRomanEmperor 17:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Archives

Hi, sorry for moving the page. HolyRomanEmperor asked me to - he's been having some trouble with his connection lately and can't make large edits. Izehar (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

To comment on your other userbox - can I be your friend :-) Izehar (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll have to make my own version, as you can see from the many userboxes on my page that I don't like to share and I don't like bright colours. World citizens like us have to stick together :-) Izehar (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Impersonation

Don't worry, I can handle this myself :) - User:Automnial will be blocked from editing indefitely. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Kind regards, FireFox 22:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

There is no easy way to find out if the two are the same users. If you think another sockpuppet is created, you may want to bring it to my attention or post it here. Cheers, FireFox 22:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

In Love with Batman

I'll show you show drug free hedonism, baby... besides, Batman and Superman are already a couple, see below! Dyslexic agnostic 02:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Panels from World's Finest #289 Panels from World's Finest #289

Ownership of Sci Fi Channel (UK)

Hi, I notice you edited Sci Fi channel (United Kingdom) to change the ownership. I have started a discussion of this at Talk:Sci Fi channel (United Kingdom)#Ownership, as I am not 100% convinced you are correct. Feel free to join in and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Regards MrWeeble Talk Brit tv 12:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Sam Vimes

Re: my talk page

Damn. My secret is out. So is yours. ;) Seriously, though, I'm not much like him - I just happen to like the name, and it's usually not occupied. Sam Vimes 15:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

A UK registered charity

I spotted your note about this on Jimbo's talk page and thought I'd reply. If you look at m:Wikimedia UK you'll see that a group of us are trying to do something very similar to what you suggest. A UK charity should be fully registered by the middle of next year, jguk 21:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

re: World citizenship box

Sorry, there's no space for that on my userpage. :) I might rearrange it in a while, but until then I just can't figure out a good place to put that template... perhaps it should look more like the Babel templates so it'd fit in with them...? - ulayiti (talk) 01:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, it is, isn't it... well, I'll put it there later. I'm off to bed now. :) - ulayiti (talk) 01:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess... but I did get it done now after all... behold the new and improved User:Ulayiti/babel. :) - ulayiti (talk) 01:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I thank you.

Vandalism

Please refrain from vandalising the Freemasonry article, or any other articles, in the future. Willy Logan 02:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of 'green wikipedians' category

Hi. I saw you're (like me) listed in this category which is up for deletion. Hoped you'd like to vote in favor of keeping it... Thanks! Larix 02:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your vote! Seems the categories are safe now. :) Larix 01:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiMedia UK

We aim to incorporate soon. Do you want to be a Trustee or a Member? LoopZilla 12:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

To be a trustee you'd have to give your real name and address to Companies House, so it would be on the public record, as well as certain other information. It also carried with it certain legal obligations. Also certain people are disqualified from being company directors - eg undischarged bankrupts, those with a disqualification order against them. Being a member has far fewer legal implications. We would require your real name and an address, but we'd probably accept an email address rather than your postal address (though we haven't considered that yet). You'd also have to pay the membership subscription (price not yet determined, though likely to be at such a level that doesn't deter people because they're not as rich as Jimmy Wales!) and agree to pay an amount not exceeding £10 if required if the company wound up when you were a member or within one year of you ceasing to be a member. Mind you, there's no need to be either a trustee or a member to help out - you just need to have a few hours you're willing to spend regularly in the cause, jguk 18:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

What?

Merry Christmas? What about Hanukkah? Hanukkah is on the 26th December this year - aren't you going to add Hanukkah to your talk page. What ever happened to political correctness? ;-) Izehar (talk) 18:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Seriously though, Happy Holidays? Izehar (talk) 18:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Was Christmas really around long before Jesus? I should probably read the article on Christmas, but I can't find my glasses ;-) Izehar (talk) 18:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

"User freespeech" template

I like it! Good work hun! Tom 18:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Welcoming committee

Selina, I bet you'd love to be a member of the Welcoming committee. I am, it's a very easy job. Izehar (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Free speech template

Thanks for telling me about the template. I've switched the userbox on my page to use it.
--Peter McGinley 05:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbcom Election

We're not sure yet how the election will be held, but I'll be sure to let you know when it happens, thank you for your vote! Us Aspies have to stick together, so please let me know if I can help you with anything. You made my day! karmafist 02:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Poetlister block

Thanks for your message, I've commented on the noticeboard. Arniep 02:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I think this warrants an ArbCom against Lulu of the Lotus Eaters et al. I think it has gone too far now, what with this spurious block as well, as apparent "resolution" of this problem lol. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, this is a case of "you're right but you can't win anyway". I have zero confidence in the arbitration committee doing anything. Really, I recommended for the affected parties to just quit Misplaced Pages and never come back. And as for everyone else involved, well, we should pray that we won't get banned ourselves for daring to question admin decisions. You don't want to end up like User:Lir now do you? He was someone who took on admins over a similar issue. It is, quite simply, hopeless. Admins can do basically whatever they want to here.

I've seen this kind of thing many times and I guess its not really worth fighting. No doubt the ban was used to try to push forward the argument that, in spite of evidence to the contrary, Lulu was actually a good guy, since the person that they abused is now blocked because of it. Then they will demonise Poetlister and everyone involved. Its just not worth it really.

We should just sit back and say that no, the Jewish Year Book is not reliable, what just because its an official Jewish publication listing the names of all Jews and who they are doesn't mean that we can use it. We should also say that just because someone is a judge of the Supreme Court of Israel doesn't make them Jewish. Just so long as we can allow ourselves to agree to things like that, and accept admin corruption, then we are fine. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Thought I'd write in here to let you know that I've made a page going over the whole Poetlister block issue, with lots of evidence. See here: User:Zordrac/Poetlister. Enough to go to Jimbo over? What do you think? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 17:37, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing things up. I asked Poetlister to have a look too, and she suggested me removing her first name from it and didn't want me to list the contents of her e-mail to me for privacy reasons. I still think that the contents of her e-mails actually help this case, but that's her choice. I noticed that you got rid of the pic from there, and you are right. It was vandalised. It seems to have been vandalised to try to infer that Rachel Brown and Taxwoman were friends, when they don't seem to have known each other. Thanks. Feel free to edit other parts of the article, but please be respectful that it is my user sub page, hence I actually do "own" it (i.e. its not like a normal article). Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 18:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

That last edit was really good. I wonder who owns that IP address. Someone involved in this dispute perhaps trying to manipulate things to make it look like the block was deserved? Thanks again. :) Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 18:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Poetlister block

Please do not revert a sock puppet notice again. If you object to the block, by all means discuss it with the blocking admin, who knows what the evidence is, but in the meantime, please do not interfere with her decision. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 02:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Eminem

I realize you have AS, but you don't have to take it out on us. You're being incredibly annoying. Stop putting back my own words when I do not wish them there. Also, why on Earth did you have to a.) report the great picture everyone had agreed on, and replace it with an ugly one, which, of all things, isn't even a personal shot. You claim to have found the source, but it's ALL OVER THE WEB. It's everywhere. Do an Eminem google search, non-image, and that's the first thing you see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelic Wraith (talk • contribs)

Sorry for butting in here. But one of the misunderstandings about Asperger's Syndrome or autism generally is that it is not something that is somehow "caught", that it is curable or somehow controllable. It is a condition that defines who you are. Someone with Asperger's Syndrome can no more stop having it than someone without it can start having it. Whilst it is possible to pretend not to have it, you can't stop having it. It is difficult for AS people to cope with others, just as it is difficult for neurotypicals to cope with AS people. So I hope that there is a bit more understanding all around. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 08:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

I try. It's an uphill battle, even when it seems that a majority of Christians are willing to accept logic and agree that their God was probably born in autumn sometime. (Personally, I think the bulk of the evidence indicates that he either didn't even exist or was so different from what people think that it doesn't even matter, but I'd never try to force that POV into an article.) elvenscout742 12:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Template: User Socialist

Hi Mistress Selina Kyle. I've reverted your change to the userbox User Socialist. I note that you do not use this userbox yourself; therefore you are imposing your views on the dozen or so people who do use it and making unilateral changes to a dozen user pages.

If you'd like to get a consensus (of people who use this userbox) for change, please go ahead. But please don't change a box without getting that consensus, especially when you don't use it yourself. It's not fair.

Thanks! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 18:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

As the creator of this userbox U second that. If you don't like it, don't use it (and you don't use it), there are plenty of flag waving versions around. Bartimaeus 22:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Um, it symbolises communism not fascism these are two completely different concepts, if you are having trouble understanding this please read the related articles on wikipedia for clarification. As for dictatorship, though many communist countries are or were dictatorships this is not fundamental to communism. Just as the USA's right-wing bible-bashing government is not a requirement for democracy. The more important part of the hammer and sickle is what it symbolises; the strength of the masses, that we Drones have power and will not be slaves, the symbol expresses for me and the others who use it what socialism means to us. I suggest you learn more about the subject before you start telling people what symbols mean, since you can't even tell the difference between communism and fascism. Bartimaeus 13:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

LOL. Sorry, if I can just butt in here, but um you do realise that Australia and Sweden are both socialist democracies don't you? I mean, you can be both at the same time you know. I am Australian and I am proud of our ability to combine capitalist economies with communist equality. Australia, for example, has the lowest proportion of poverty of any country in the world, and has the most equal distribution of wealth. I for one am proud of that. "No child shall ever starve" is our philosophy. A lot of Australians are shocked and horrified when they visit USA because of the existence of beggars and homeless people who simply don't exist in Australia. In Australia, the only poverty is related to either drug addiction, career criminals and runaway children. We get huge amounts of money from welfare and you can get it for your entire life. Its actually enough to live on. And no, that's not fascism. Australians like everyone, both Russia and America. That's why we have no enemies. :) Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 13:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Nono you misunderstand me: Socialism is good, communism is not - Communism in practice never works and always ends up as a totalitarian fascist police state.. Socialism is NOT communism and that's the distinction I am trying to make, I think it's inappropriate to have the Soviet Union (given that in many ways with relation to abuse and murder they were the same as the Nazi Party) symbol on the socialism user box. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship

Hi there,

I see you reversed my edit to Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship. What I was trying to do was change it so that, in Category:Wikipedians, it appeared under W and not at the top; I don't see that any category in such a broad category as Wikipedians has a particular claim to be jumped to the top of the list. (Whereas it does make sense to put it at the top in Category:Wikipedians by location.) Perhaps you haven't got the hang of how the "pipe trick" for categories works—you can see this page for that. The point is, whatever goes after the pipe (i.e. the "|" character) is what the category is listed under. Thus you used to have it listed under "*" (at the start), I switched it to listing under "World Citizenship" (at W), and you switched it to space (at the start). Let me know if you have any questions/comments on this; if I don't hear from you, I figure I'll switch it back to the way I had it eventually. -- SCZenz 01:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. No problem at all. :-) -- SCZenz 01:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Latex

Just a couple of things:

• Watch out for WP:3RR. I know that you're saying it's vandalism and 3RR doesn't apply to vandalism, but you'll probably find that if someone lists you as having violated it there will exist at least one admin who'll feel that removing the picture isn't vandalism.
• Minor edits should always be minor, ok?

I'm not even convinced those gloves are latex, by the way! ^_^
brenneman 03:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I finally got permission to use another image. It's been placed at: Image:modelwearinglatex.jpg --DaiTengu 04:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

A quick note

Just a quick note to say that you rock. Had to tell you. Ifnord 04:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh. Why do you rock? Nothing specific; I don't think you can just do one thing, no matter how nifty, and get the stamp of coolness. But as I was nosing through your talk page, comments people have left about you, and your replies - I was struck by how you came across. It's good. Ifnord 04:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Please note, that I just recently posted to her talk page, and my comments along with another comment that was critical of her were quickly removed and not responded to... which makes me suspect that there's a reason she "came across" well. Themindset 08:19, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Themindset reminds me of a Happy Bunny sticker that reads, "You suck and that's sad." Ifnord 18:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Poetlister sock puppet notices etc

Hi Selina Kyle. I have noticed that you kept removing the sock puppet notice. I think that this is a bad idea. Normal Misplaced Pages protocol is that if a user has been banned for being a sock puppet, then the sock puppet notice has to be placed there. Notice that it is just a "suspicion" of sock puppetry and has not been proven. Thus it is okay for it to remain. Whilst SlimVirgin's removal of the bios is inappropriate, it has been agreed that the sock puppet notice should remain. This in fact points out the injustice, as we can then see what happened there. Also, by the way, Poetlister and Taxwoman weren't friends. They didn't even like each other. Its great that you're supporting Poetlister in this, but I would have thought Taxwoman was the more appropriate person. I think that Taxwoman is the thinnest link to User:RachelBrown and the one with the least evidence of sock puppetry. There is actually enough to suggest that perhaps Poetlister and RachelBrown might be sock puppets. The issue then is that if they are, did they do anything wrong by doing so? They were apparently friends and did visit each other and use the same computer. The other 3 were not friends. It seems that they may have all used the same ISP, something that they undoubtedly shared with thousands of other people. The case for Taxwoman to be unbanned based on not being a sock puppet is much stronger than the case for Poetlister. However, with Poetlister the issue is more the reasons behind the ban. You might want to look at this here: User_talk:Kelly_Martin#User-check_request. That's why Poetlister got banned - because of an edit war with SlimVirgin and Lulu, who wanted her to be banned so that they could win the edit war. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 11:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

World citizen flag

Thanks for clarifying. However, this means the image descriptions are misleading; they should describe where the flags are used and acknowledge the original designer. Are you as well allowed to place the design in the public domain? Fredrik | tc 11:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

replied (me)

cuuuuute kitty

Ok. :) --Phroziac _. o º 15:08, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo

I don't think that its right for me to contact Jimbo. I suggested to Poetlister to contact him if Mindspillage doesn't write her an e-mail or call her. I noticed that Mindspillage didn't respond to my e-mail either. I think that Jimbo would be very intersted in corruption of this magnitude, as it seriously puts Misplaced Pages in jeapordy. However, I don't think that I am the right person to contact him. It is really up to the affected users. Maybe Taxwoman could contact him as well? I suggest Poetlister because she is the one that e-mailed me about it. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 18:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Mental Health

You are perceptive. I actually just created Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Mental Health and the two userboxes for providers/consumers. I also note your quick addition of the specific disorders. =) As to your question, the answer is indeed, "something". Ifnord 19:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Bans lifted

I thought I'd let you know that User:Poetlister, User:Taxwoman, User:Newport and User:Londoneye all had their bans lifted, thanks to your help! Thanks so much for helping me to edit the User:Zordrac/Poetlister subpage. Your work was wonderful.

P.S. I am very sorry that you got a 24 hour block for 3RR. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Sometimes people break 3RR by accident. Its no big deal really. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 20:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Hello. I must say, going by your userpage and your edits, I like you! (I really like the Einstein quote, that's quality). But you've really got to stop running into the 3RR! Have a look at WP:ROWN. I'd also like to offer my services - if you ever get into situations like the one at latex again, drop me a note, and let's see if we can head off any problems before they start. Please, feel free to e-mail me with any questions or comments seeing as you can't edit for a while. Dan100 (Talk) 21:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Alternatively, drop me a line if someone's being an idiot about removing stuff like that. Not 3RR if the reverts are spread among multiple people.  ;) Rogue 9 00:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

emailed you back

check & see. :-) Tomer 10:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

User:AlMac| plagarized you

Hi. I been visiting pages of other people with lots of cool user boxes, and copying those I like the most. User:AlMac| 12:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Izehar's RfA

Hi Mistress,

My RfA

Hi MSK! Thank you for your kind support on my RfA. -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)  

Pedophilia/Pederasty

I noticed that you have one of those user boxes where it says you are against censorship, and so am I. But I could not help being a bit amused by that in light of your attempted deletion of my notice on the GLBT board. It is neither fair nor true to conflate pedophilia with pederasty, and the last person I would expect that of is someone with a certain degree of sensitivity to gender issues, which you certainly seem to possess. If any disgreement remains between us on this topic and you wish to resolve it, please let me know. Haiduc 16:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

In countries where the legal age for homosexual sex is different than for the heterosexual, and so higher than the average age of consent worldwide, 16 years: I agree, that's unfair, is just pure discrimination. But a middle-aged man having sex with a boy who is under-age is no different than a middle-aged man having sex with a girl who is under-age. It's paedophilia. I'm not going to say it's any better just because it's the homosexual equivalent of "normal" pedophilia. It's still a middle-aged man having sex with a child.

Historical arguments are baseless: Humanity's done and allowed a LOT of stupid things, and stupidly not allowed many other things. That's just how it goes. Today we know better than to allow children to be molested by adults.

I'm quite appalled that you are in favour of sexual abuse of children and from your edits and very pro-active stance, maybe even a practioner of this. Let me guess, you're a member of the "Childlove movement"?--Mistress Selina Kyle 19:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I posted a reply on my page. Haiduc 21:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Again as above. You have completely misunderstood me. Haiduc 23:03, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Anarchy

Hi there. I'm not quite sure how I got to your user page, but I did. I'm glad you're my friend, and I'm also pleased that you don't use U.S. Customary units (meaning, I take it, that you prefer SI units, which begs the question of where you live). Anyway this rambling prolog, like your userpage, is fuelled by the secular consumption of alcohol, but still leads me to beg you to reconsider your stance on anarchism. I am with you in agreeing that anarchism as it is currently packaged by the extreme left will not work, because it's just YAPS (yet another political system) where someone's gonna be at the top and someone's gonna be at the bottom. Anarchy is, as I understand it, a system in which there is no government at all, and no politics. There is no top and no bottom. The hitch is that for such a system to work, every citizen must accept responsibility for the daily operation of the affairs of state, whatever those might represent in a government-free land. I believe anarchy is the best form of government because it offers the greatest number of freedoms to its citizenry. It is, however, the least attainable form, because it requires a degree of responsibility from each individual far beyond what modern humans can commit. Perhaps in a thousand years, we will have evolved to the point where we acept others as equals, where we accept the divergence of ideas, and where we are prepared to accept the huge responsibility which is required to live in a state where the only rules are those we set for ourselves. Denni ☯ 21:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

meow?

you sound hot mistress selina but i guess that goes without saying.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.97.249.17 (talk • contribs)

Speaking of Wikistalking

Kindly refrain from leaving nasty remarks on my talk page for other people. I don't care for it, and I think it's really quite nasty of you to do so. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm nice to nice people. --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Since when? :] --CBD _☎ 00:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

and you haven't produced a shred of evidence that i have stalked (that's a new one, what will it be next week? that i entered their home and robbed them?) or personally attacked either Karmafist or Phroziac, yet i have ample evidence of both from Karmafist and that it was at Phroziac's behest. facts are these pesky little things for the less-than-honest. and with WP, you can't delete the record and conveniently "forget". r b-j 00:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages policy requiresthat you be nice, or at least not nasty, to everyone. If you aren't willing to follow that rule, find another hobby. Kelly Martin (talk) 02:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure you wouldn't be attacking me like this if I didn't say that about someone in your own personal Wiki-clique. Funny how you ignore the various personal attacks he has made on others.

I'd support a motion for de-sysopping you. You seem like yet another admin that believes in nepotism while saying differently... --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

MSK, I sincerely doubt Kelly knows much of anything about Rbj beyond this recent fracas and the short-lived arbitration request. He certainly isn't in 'her Wiki-clique'. Think of it as a territorial thing... you brought a mess onto her talk page. Add to that the fact that univeral civility is supposed to be the rule and she's just making a mild warning. No reason for the claws to come out. --CBD _☎ 02:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm ok, seeing as I've never talked to her before it seemed different from the actions (or lack of them) and words, but never mind.

I hate how some people seem to get away with murder (generally, friends of admins, or members of WikiProjects that admins are in) around here but others are almost instantly banned. -_- Corruption is rife, but then that's human nature and inevitable in any bureaucracy. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I've got a problem with the 'flexibility' of standards too. Still, don't go looking for a conspiracy under every rock. --CBD _☎ 02:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:User alcohol to Template:User alcoholic?

The point of the userbox was not to display that this person is or was an alcoholic, but to suggest that the person drank alcohol (as opposed to Coke, Pepsi, or the like). Will you please explain your reasoning behind this on my talk page? Thanks, Ian Manka 03:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

One other thing: I'd recommend looking into archiving your talk page: it is getting quite lengthy... instructions here. Ian Manka 04:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It was sort of sarcastic ... when you read... "This person drinks _____" userbox after userbox after userbox... it may get on your nerves, until you get to the bottom and you find something that makes you laugh like "This user drinks. Period." No "This User Drinks....", Just "This User Drinks." Thanks for your understanding and time. Ian Manka 04:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Liking things that go BANG

• Steals that userbox.* Bwahahahahaha. That's great. Rogue 9 07:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Ad hominem remarks

Hi MSK, please tone down the comments you're making about other editors. Your edit summaries of e.g. "Revert vandalism by POV-warrior X," and "Stop fucking trying to censor every fucking thing that criticises Islam without even discussing," and comments on talk pages like "it's a blatant falsehood, and the fact that only Muslims are reverting really does show something" are not acceptable. Please concentrate only on content. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 20:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No matter how frustrated you feel, and no matter how right you may be about any particular edit, as soon as you post comments like that, you put yourself in the wrong, so it's in your own interests to focus on content. SlimVirgin 20:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

There's no point in going back and forth about it. Yuber's request that another editor look at the page is perfectly acceptable, and it's what we're supposed to do rather than continuing to revert. The bottom line is you have to stop insulting or otherwise commenting on editors, stop referring to people you disagree with as cliques, and in particular, you must stop commenting on people's ethnicity or religion, which incidentally you keep getting wrong. SlimVirgin 20:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I have not made ANY comments on peoples "ethnicity" so please don't start trying to label me as something I'm not. Incidentally, I'm not wrong about him being a Muslim, he pretty much admits it in an old version of his user page (I checked after he tried to half-deny it by saying "it doesn't say anywhere on my talk page that I am" without actually saying that he's not a follower of Islam -_- - damn sneakiness.)

You know full well what he means though. I've got more examples I can get if you want, he does this kind of thing all the time. It's not a "request to look at the article", it's a request to join him in revert warring. That's why he only leaves those kind of messages on other people in his clique of other Muslim editors..

Not that you care of course, he's your friend, and I've seen edits on your talk page where he goes to you to support him in edit wars too.

I'm consistently being followed around and harassed by a group of about 5 editors, all who happen to be Muslim, who remove anything that critises Islam.

Unfortunately not many other people that aren't Muslim seem to be interested in the content of these articles which lets people like this gang up on editors that dare to add material that conflicts with their religious/religion's point of view.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

SlimVirgin, MSK's removal of the text indicates that it has been read. That's all which is required. A user is under no obligation to leave a 3RR violation notice on their talk page. --CBD _☎ 21:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It is better to leave reference to a 3RR block on the talk page for the duration of the block in case another admin sees the violation, doesn't check the noticeboard, and blocks again, which I've seen happen a few times. That is why I restored it. SlimVirgin 21:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks CBD I appreciate that at least someone doesn't seem to be out to destroy any edit I make lately -_-

I notice you just blocked two of my friends, SlimVirgin:

Why is it ok for Yuber to get friends to help him in edit wars but not me?

Neither User:Countering systemic bias or User:Mr Data are me..

And I would like you to stop personally attacking me SlimVirgin by constantly calling me "he" just because you don't like that I stand up to your abusive, harassing, edit-warring friends. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Let me know the next time, i'll help you out either as a editor,as an admin(just not as both, and if it's as an admin, I might be tough on you too), or as somebody who knows other people who can help out. Trust me, you're not alone Selina. Just tell me where the issue is and i'll do what I can to help. karmafist 22:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

For the record, Yuber has apparently done this sort of 'calling in reinforcements for an edit war on Islamic articles' before and had an arbitration ruling and requests for enforcement on the issue - Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Admin_enforcement_requested#Yuber_Violation_of_RfAr. --CBD _☎ 02:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Fireman/Latex

I think fireman to go outside and get some fresh air haha

One wonders whether that would help. :-)--SarekOfVulcan 17:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Re:.

What missing pictures? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Where did I write that? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, are you talking about the Greek stuff I put on the bottom? (I actually don't speak a word of Greek). εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Καλά, τα ελληνικά είναι πάρα πολύ δύσκολο να μαθευτούν. Μιλώ ισπανικό και πορτογαλικά, αλλά κανένα ελληνικά! Μιλάτε τα ελληνικά? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Obviously, yes : ) εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

What I am trying to say: Here is a barnstar for being so kind! Spanish and Portuguese are wonderful languages, and very similar. Am I writing correctly? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

^χα.αχ^ --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Whitewalls blocked

I have blocked Whitewalls for 48 hours for vandalizing your user talk and user pages. David | Talk 01:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks --Mistress Selina Kyle 04:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

IRC logs

Please do not post public logs (or portions of logs, or conversations, etc.) of conversations on the wikipedia IRC channel. I've deleted the portion you posted on Kelly Martin's RFC (personally I don't care, but...) - if you restore it, I know several admins who would probably block you on sight for "trolling" or "privacy violation" or "being a jerk" or whatever...

Cheers! – ugen64 17:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

There's no rules about it: m:IRC channel quotes --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

RFC

You might want to check out Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Snowspinner 3. Firebug 17:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Dyslexic wikipedians

Thanks for fixing the User dyslexic template to point to Category:Dyslexic Wikipedians. Should the old Category:User Dyslexic be removed entirely rather than being a redirect? --Pfafrich 21:43, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, probably but I don't think it really matters } --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Good to know there are others here that are aspies and like things that go bang. :) Jwissick 23:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Salute!

Take care, fellow bass-wielding punk rock warrior... ;) -- Cjmarsicano 00:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

'User freedom'

Hi Mistress Selina Kyle! I've contacted you before on the proposed deletion of the 'green wikipedians' category - perhaps you remember. Since then I saw you supporting the freedom of users to express their beliefs and (dis)likes using userboxes and other things on several places. I also noted your userbox against censorship. Therefore, I've awarded you a self-created barnstar. :) Perhaps you would be interested in this template {{user freedom}} and in this debate (Misplaced Pages:Proposed_policy_on_userboxes)? Regards, Larix 09:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Blood fetish

Regarding blood fetish: please don't suggest to people that:

- a common way of finding out whether a person would be safe to engage in bloodplay with is for them to go to their local blood donation organisation, who check blood if it is safe and contains no diseases before it will be stored.

Using a blood donation organization as a proxy STD test is highly irresponsible; if the testing is not 100% perfect (and in never is), and the person trying this is positive (and presumably anyone who is considering doing this considers this to be entirely possible), they will almost certainly (because of pre-test blood pooling, and the very large blood volumes involved) infect one or more unwitting third parties with a potentially lethal disease.

Instead, they should get tested at their local sexual health clinic. -- Karada 20:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the article or the subject of its concern, but I fail to see how saying "X does Y" constitutes an actual endorsement of Y. If such a method is indeed commonplace then, regardless of the advisability of such method for practitioners of said activity, it should be included as part of the article on that activity. Kurt Weber 22:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The question is, is it actually a 'common way' for people to test blood? Do we have a reliable source for such a claim? The wording would have to be amended anyway—even if tested at a blood donor clinic or–preferably–a public/sexual health clinic, there is no guarantee that the blood is 'safe'. Blood tests have a false negative rate, recent infections may not be detected, and there are some diseases transmitted by blood for which we do not have a lab test. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm moving all this to Talk:Blood fetish - hope no one minds but there's a similar discussion going on both at Karada's talk page and here, better to have it in one place methinks --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

People unjustly blocked?

Hi Selina. Just saw your (quickly deleted) remark on WP:AN/3RR#Snowspinner. If there's anyone who has been unjustly blocked, and that block still stands, leave me a message on my talk page and I'll look into it. -- SCZenz 00:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Two of those accounts, Morgan695 and Saveus, appear to have been single-use accounts that participated only in the current war. They're permablocked, and I think that's fair. The other two are unblocked, and were in fact blocked only briefly. -- SCZenz 02:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting!

That sockpuppet that was permablocked, User:Morgan695 is evidently unblocked now, and has been supporting User:Ec5618 in an edit war against me on Template:User Aspie: I think this definitely needs a sockpuppet check, although if they are using another IP address somehow.. :( --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Morgan695 is likely a reputable user as (s)he has been here over a year and has 1000+ edits Prodego 22:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Unblock

I will, if only because Kelly's trying once again to silence those who disagree with her. However, please just don't talk to them. You know as well as I am that they're not listening, and getting angry will just make you look bad. I know it's easy to say and hard to do, I've been in your shoes before, and I wish I could take it back. Just remember, Kelly wants you to get all angry and uncivil towards others so she can just dismiss you. karmafist 16:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Yeah, I realised that too: She knows I didn't personally attack Ambi, that's obvious: Just trying to wind me up so she can then play "I'm the good one, she's the angry nasty one".

I hate people like that... --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

By the way even when people unblock my username for some reason my IP always gets blocked even though I don't log out, stopping me from editing with username even though that's unblocked, because the IP is blocked. (Special:Ipblocklist - #76164) No idea why, I use firefox 1.5 but no one seems to know what causes this --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

It's the autoblock. I personally think that thing causes more trouble than its worth. Anyway, I don't know about you, but i'm trying my best to stay away from that IRC Channel personally, it's usually just a bunch of trolls and aristocrats trying to silence people they disagree with one way or another. karmafist 17:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Mistress Selina Kyle#IRC quotes - Never actually even been there haha. I've never seen any link to a "wikipedia chat room" so I guess it must be well-hidden

I just don't agree with this rampant censorship and bans like this just to stop people revealing facts that admins would rather not The People know.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Neither do I, kiddo. Me and Snowspinner got in a wheel war over what you're saying last night. At this rate, it's going to take alot more of this though before anything happens. Just be nice and keep to your principles and you'll be ok. karmafist 17:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Mkay - by the way I'm still blocked, dunno whether you meant to have done it or are just waiting - 's okay if you haven't done it yet, I got no way to tell which one it is --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

To Mistress Selina Kyle

Don't worry about being blocked, you're still new here and have the potential to become a good editor! --Sunfazer 22:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

sockpuppet

Ok, so you've stated that you aren't a sockpuppet or a returning user. I am prepared to present several pieces of evidence that will immediately contradict that undisputably. It would be much better if you would come forward and admit to any and all other accounts you have used, because nobody here is a fan of sockpuppets created to act in bad faith. You can either continue to be scrutinized or you can can admit that you've made mistakes and genuinely show that you're sorry. It's time to grow up. -- Netoholic @ 01:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

It'll be funny reading :) I know I'm not either, so go ahead making up "evidence" all you want. you could do with growing up yourself, I've seen the RfAR against you by other people for the huge amount of disruption with templates, you behave very childishly at times --Mistress Selina Kyle 01:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I hate to barge in, but if you've got evidence that she's a sockpuppet, either present it or shut up. Making hints about it without doing anything shows that you're either lying or grossly irresponsible. Rogue 9 01:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Please do not insert offensive images, false allegations and misused administrative categories on my talk page, thanks SlimVirgin. (bold is my emphasis) Could you please elaborate what is meant by this? Thanks. El_C 02:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

And this rv Slimvirgin , too. Thanks again. El_C 02:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Fact is I would like her and her abusive friends to leave me along and stop stalking me --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that dosen't at all respond to my querry. El_C 02:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

That's what you are saying to everything.. it seems pointless even trying to talk to you --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

In terms of an admin looking into it, I'm afraid that isn't optional; though feel free to request any other admin to look into. Until you do, you will have to better explain yourself. I asked what was meant by rv Slimvirgin, but regretfuly I found your answer to have been unclear at best, and evasive at worst. Thanks once again. El_C 02:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't get what the actual problem is.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Then we definitely have a problem. If you are unable to explain what was meant by rv Slimvirgin, which implies you were reverting her, I will be forced to draw rather unfavourable conclusions. El_C 02:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

What, that I was reverting her (or her friends') sockpuppets? Stop trying to intimidate and being so passive-aggressive towards me. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you find my tone to be passive-aggressive, such is not my intention. Irrespectively, though, and in answer to your question, you seem to have been claiming that the vandal ip was her, specifically. But you have no concrete evidence to support this. I remain open and willing to examine any and all pertinent evidence, but the effort must be reciprocal. El_C 03:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, I can't check the details

It's funny how it's ok for her to accuse my friends of being sockpuppets and block without proof but as soon as she herself gets accused it's suddenly all serious --Mistress Selina Kyle 03:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not familliar with the case/s of your "friends" blocked as or accused of being sockpuppets. Again, I will need to be made privy to the pertinent diffs to comment. El_C 03:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I know that the people you are calling my "friends" want to be left alone by you, so if you stop doing anything that makes them think you are stalking them (which is what it currently looks like), I'm fairly certain you'll hear nothing more from them. And I don't edit using anon IPs. SlimVirgin 02:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

You and Slim(and others, but let's start with Slim)

Ok, you guys are invited to here, hopefully I can step in as a third party and settle this. karmafist 05:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The new incarnation of Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Kelly Martin - also, userboxes?

Dear Selina: To be perfectly honest with you, I'm quite ashamed that I've participated in this fist-fight (and been so roundly arrogant) regardless of whose side I'm on, and I'm starting to get a bit worn out of it. Incidentally, you've persevered well on it, although I think I lack the energy to have anything else to do with the wretched affair. However, here's my last penny's worth: I know that I suppose the RfC shouldn't be about the userboxes, but to face facts the admin conduct issues and the userboxes are inexorably entwined, and indeed the RfC itself makes no distinction between the two issues. Thus, as a consequence, I disagree that all matters regarding the userboxes should go to the proposed userbox policy, since there clearly are further conduct-related issues which need addressing. However, I'll leave you to it, and won't revert again. :) I hope any injuries that you sustained through this ordeal, regardless of whose hands they were caused by, will heal in time; I am certain mine will. All the best, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 09:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I posted on Jimbo's Talk page a suggestion that if his time permits, he read The Mythical Man-Month because I believe there are project management insights there that apply to the inter-communication challenges of Wiki dispute resolution. The size of his admin staff seems to me to be larger than the IBM staff described in the book, and even more in need of scientifically designed inter-personal infrastructures. User:AlMac| 10:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello, you seem nice

I'm sure there's loads of stuff we don't agree about (I researched you a bit, I admit it), but I find myself not only agreeing with you regarding recent particulars, but also coming under the impression that your a nice person. Thank you, Sam Spade 09:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks } - Yeah I just really don't like it when people throw about Misplaced Pages policy shortcuts while hypocritically insulting people and insulting people by saying they're "pissing on people" etc --Mistress Selina Kyle 09:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, ambi is friends w Kelly Martin as far as I know. I'd be a downright monster of someone was going after my friend, esp. w/o reason (which is how she see's things, I fear). Fierce loyalty is something I can respect, but deleting / refactoring honest attempts at communication while citing irrelevant policy... that sort of thing tells me the wiki has far too many of the wrong admins. Sam Spade 09:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Things

The only way we'll stop the Kelly Martins of Misplaced Pages and the Kelly Martin mindset is by being nice, sticking together, standing for what we believe in, and inviting others to join us. If we are alone, the best we can hope for is both sides losing.

Slim Virgin sent me an e-mail asking me if there was a way to resolve things in regards with you, and I told her it had directly to do with the Kelly Martin's attempts to censor and intimidate others and defy any known policies and guidelines to achieve her goals.

Slim Virgin may never agree with you,with us, but if she can respect you, that would deal a huge blow to Kelly. Regardless of our opinions, we all have to stick together against actions such as hers, or it'll just continue. karmafist 12:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

If you are being unduly harrassed by Kelly Martin or anyone else, please let me know. Also, I would like to second karmafist's advice. You'll win a lot more battles by taking the high ground then by getting into slugging matches. Sometimes being respected is just as important as being right. Kaldari 17:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Username

Your...username... It sounds familiar, like I've heard it somewhere before in the past.. Is it based of a famous person's..? Just curious, as I am somwhat intriqued. Nice to meet you, BTW. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Selina Kyle --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's where it was from. I remember now. Nice username, btw, its catchy, and sticks in my head. I may just strike up conversation on your talkpage now just because I can't get it out of my head. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 20:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Unsigned Comment

When replacing an unsigned comment with the unsigned tag, leave the timestamp as it is important to know the context in which a comment was written. Pepsidrinka 20:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC) P.s. You talk page is >150 kb, you may want to consider archiving.

Oops yeah, sorry: I completely forgot about that part - on my way to change it now unless it already has been --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:User_userbox_purge

Oh Mistress! :-P

I don't know if you've noticed, but the userbox purge template had been protected deleted. As far as I know this hasn't actually gone through TfD (correct me if I'm wrong), but I was wondering if you'd trek over to the talk page and help me gat a debate going. Tom 19:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Cold Fusion RfC

Hello,

There's currently a controversy at Cold fusion that I would appreciate it if you could look at. The article is about to fail a Featrued Article Removal Candidate vote. There are at least 3 fairly different versions in play: one based on the original Featured Article dating back to 2004-08-20 and tossing out all edits between now and then ("FA version"), one which was the current version up until that ("current version"), and a proposed new draft written originally by Edmund Storms (a retired Los Alamos scientist) and edited by me ("Storms version"). At the moment the article is being rather agressively edited by a few people who support the version from a year ago, and if this stands, a lot of good material will be lost. Frankly, I can't entirely support any of the versions; the article just needs more work and more different perspectives. Hence this invitation. I hope you can help.

I'm posting this to you because I've seen you on various physics-related pages, and/or because you've worked on the Cold fusion page before. Thank you for your time.

ObsidianOrder 06:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Counter Un-civility Unit

Misplaced Pages:Counter Un-civility Unit is a new wiki-project I have thought up. I was wondering if you thought it was a good idea and if you wanted to join up. I need some users backing me before I construct a wikiproject, and you seem to share my views on subjects such as concensus, civilty, etc. Reply on my talkpage if you're interested. Thanks, -MegamanZero|Talk

I think I already saw something like that with another name (was it the one that had something to do with firefighting?) --cesarb 19:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Scientology

Template:User Suppressive

This user supports Operation Clambake.

Enjoy. Rogue 9 07:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Name

Actually.... — Seven Days » talk 18:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Blocked user (SuperButchBitch)

I've replied on WP:AN, so I'll wait for comments from other admins. NSLE _(T+C) 12:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Uh, and I'd appreciate if you didn't sign my name when I did not make any such post; perhaps next time you could mention the blocking admin's name, but sign as yourself... NSLE _(T+C) 12:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

k sorry, I was in a rush (in hopes they'd see the message before possibly never coming back) and didn't think about it much --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

User/user

Hi - I noticed you've been going round the location pages altering the readable link to read "user" rather than "User". We agreed in the below discussion that all boxes should be illustrated with a capital - obviously you might not have noticed that given all the other nonsense that's been going on. Anyway, just thought I'd bring it to your attention. I've reverted any of the pages that were on my watchlist.

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Userboxes/Archive 2#User or user?

Cheers, Deano (Talk) 18:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't know about that conversation, sorry. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation

Thanks for inviting me to join the world citizen group. Greetings. T6435bm 00:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Res

Hello, Mistress. Are you being nosy going through my personal messages and telling me that I am rude? The utter cheek of it! I was conversing with FayssalF in his langue maternelle, how is that bad? In my opinion, he/she who uses profane words and/or phrases (such as f*ck) is rude. Care to comment ;-) Izehar 11:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

PS no one else seems to have a problem with it. Izehar 11:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Discworld Aspies

Great minds think alike, I suppose. ;) - User:Asarelah

From User:Staecker

Quite a note on my talk page. I've responded there, in case you're not watching. Happy to hear your reply, if you'd like to.

And I hope you don't mind if I remove your welcome note. I've been here a little while, and I cleaned out my first one (dated March 2005) a couple of months ago. Staecker 21:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Logo

Thanks for finding the Black Mesa logo! 'ppreciate it :-) Rusty2005 21:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

However well intentioned...

I think your revision of {{User antiracist}} was wrongheaded and mean. First of all, please read the entry for Malcolm X: he fell out of the Black Muslim movement (long before it became popularly known as the Nation of Islam), and was purged from that group because of his uncompromising approach toward racism (e.g., the "chickens coming home to roost" comments, condemning Kennedy as the racist who had aided the assassination of Patrice Lumumba). Then later, in turn, the NOI had Malcolm assassinated. I should also mention, Louis Farrakhan has always been suspected of being of that group (in the Black Muslim movement) that had Malcolm assassinated.

Second, to clear Malcolm X's honor: he wanted black freedom and independence, not simplistic "separatism." Equating that to apartheid is disingenuous - especially when apartheid's greatest fighter (Nelson Mandela) himself cites Malcolm X as an inspiration!

Last, while I respect the group for its work, I dislike linking the template to Anti-Racist Action. This is a group that, as its area of focus, tends to prioritize organizing better minded whites to confront white supremacists. Racism on Misplaced Pages, on the other hand, is not just a matter of white supremacist vandals; it's also about systemic racial bias, such as using the "white" take on history as the authoritative one. And I find, as a person of color myself, it's also about a certain timidity to address the problem by people of color on Misplaced Pages.

So I'm reverting the userbox back. Feel free to make your own "Member of" or "Supporter of" style userbox, but I feel strongly that my take was the correct one. --Daniel 21:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

hmmz ok. But some of the things he preached and said were quite racist themselves (for example, a quote from the Nation of Islam articl: "Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to black people."), and I don't agree with racism for any race/ethnicity/colour - personally I think we're all human beings and the amount of Melanin in skin should be completely irrelevant in how people treat each other (see Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship, which I created) --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Again, I'd point out that even if Malcolm said that while in the Black Muslim movement, he was purged from that group and subsequently revised several of his beliefs. Overall, this was a man who was dynamic to a great degree, starting from the time he was a intelligent kid to when he turned to a life of crime, to when he cleaned up to become a leader in the Black Muslims, to when he left the Black Muslims and became an independent thinker. It's a very big mistake to take statements from early in his life to mean his overall beliefs. To leave you with a statement from late in his life (1964):

"I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color."

--Daniel 22:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok I will leave it as it is then.. that's a much better quote to hear } --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Please copy your lie-truth-lie-turth comment on Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion to Template_talk:User_antiracist_mx_admirer, in order to keep it close to the template for when the whole TfDeletion circus act is over. -- ActiveSelective 05:57, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Christian Hedonism

Um, thanks. Have you read John Piper? I actually had thought about writing an article about it. (Or, were you kidding when you said that, meaning that hedonism+Christianity couldn't go together?)--ViolinGirl 22:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Well, thanks for your confidence in me (that I could write an article worthy to be in Misplaced Pages). Maybe I will someday. And regarding your comment about Christianity and Hedonism going together, the main crux of Christian Hedonism is God is most glorified when we are most satisfied in Him. I can't explain it that well in a short note like this, but if you read anything by John Piper, you would understand what I'm saying. Cheers!--ViolinGirl 22:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Homophobia by others

There is a vote here where some users to try to overturn WP categorisation policy (whereby categories and subcategories cannot be placed on the same page) and force a subcategory (LGBT organisations) onto the North American Man/Boy Love Association page. Some of the comments made are distinctly homophobic and rather disturbing. Personally it gives me the creeps even mentioning NAMBLA but your vote on the issue would be welcome. FearÉIREANN\ 22:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I will as soon as I can, that sounds pretty nasty, and I agree that paedophilia movements shouldn't be classified as "LGBT organisations" definitely --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Aspie

I have noticed a large number of reverts going on at this page, and would like to help you resolve this dispute. First of all, I am not an administrator, however I know some administrators who would be able to help if this situation got out of hand. I would like to know the reason you reverted to the template with 14pt text. What about this is better then the 10pt text? Not just that it's ok as is, but why 14pt font is actually better.

Prodego 23:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

In addition, going through your edit history revealed this edit. That edit is rather disturbing, seeing how Ec5618 clearly had no intention other then to try to make the template look better. Could you explain your reasoning? Prodego 13:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"Disturbing"? are you taking the piss? It seems the truth:

: "I have no interest in this template, but I really don't like your attitude"

He's just trying to annoy me and others. He doesn't use the template himself, he has no reason to be editing a large amount of other people's user pages just because he doesn't like how it looks --20:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Ec5618 tells me that (s)he thought the template would look better if (s)he changed it(which may or may not be true), and after you reverted his(her) changes the first time (s)he assumed you made a mistake. Note (s)he only made the comment about your attitude after you called him(her) a "nutjob". Please remember to assume good faith and avoid personal attacks while editing. Also, I do not understand, how changing a template format shows a dislike of the category of people it represents. These were minor edits, there was(as far as I can see) no vandalistic intentions on either side. It is also fine to use <includeonly></includeonly> in a user box, in fact I believe most user boxes are written that way. Prodego 21:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

There's no reason for the text to be smaller is the thing. I like it that way and no one else using the template seems to have a problem wtih it either, only user:Ec5618.

Also, it seems HIGHLY likely Morgan695 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) is Ec5618 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)'s sockpuppet, see here: #People unjustly blocked? I only just noticed this, maybe a sockpuppet check should be made.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Actually it's highly unlikely, see here, Morgan is clearly a reputable user. Also note here and here and see the vastly different editing styles. You'll see both users have been here over a year. Also both users have 1000+ edits. Prodego 21:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"Two of those accounts, Morgan695 and Saveus, appear to have been single-use accounts that participated only in the current war. They're permablocked, and I think that's fair." SCZenz (talk · contribs)

How can a permablocked user edit? And who would set up a sockpuppet months in advance? Prodego 22:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Well someone must've un-permablocked the account.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

In any case as I already said:

He's just trying to annoy me and others. He doesn't use the template himself, he has no reason to be editing a large amount of other people's user pages just because he doesn't like how it looks

I already made it clear that I thought it was fine as it is however he continued to revert me just because of his own personal preferences: When he's not even using it: Essentially he is editing other peoples' user pages because he doesn't like the way they look and wants them to look the way he likes.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• That is no longer the point. The question is what is wrong with Ec5618's edit? Why did you revert it the first time? Prodego 22:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I already said. What don't you understand? I already made it clear that I thought it was fine as it is however he continued to revert me just because of his own personal preferences: When he's not even using it: Essentially he is editing other peoples' user pages because he doesn't like the way they look and wants them to look the way he likes.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

But that is not in violation of any rules, all users may edit all pages in Misplaced Pages, are you claiming some type of ownership of the template? Whether you like it better one way or another isn't the only thing to be cosidered. If you perfered the old version better, you should have explained why to Ec5618 on his(her) talk page right before or after reverting. If an argument ensued, you could have worked it out on the user box talk page. Prodego 22:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I explained in the edit summary that it was fine as it was (and he saw this, because he replied in similar messages in edit summaries) but he chose to ignore me and carry on reverting, citing "standardization".

I'm not "claiming ownership" please don't put his arguments as words into my mouth, the fact that you seem to ardently support him is beginning to make me think this conversation is pointless.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Why didn't you try to work it out on the talk page? Prodego 22:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Because I already explained that there was no reason to change it against his bullying "standardization" arguments and he was already ignoring me: Taking the same conversation to the talk page or his talk page wouldn't have made any difference, in the history you can see clearly he had no intention of changing his mind.. I left the message to Rogue 9 after he the repeated reverts of him trying to enforce his own personal faux-"standardization" on the template --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Did you ever say why you liked the 14pt font version better? Prodego 22:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I said it looked fine as it is if that's what you mean: simply no reason to make it smaller

also "Aspie" is definitely preference to "Asp" as he did in one edit --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• I agree that Aspie is better, and as far as I know no reason to 'standardize' the userbox either. However I find the 10pt font easier to read and the light blue font color almost unreadable. However Ec5618 was presumaibly acting in good faith. You never explained why aspie is better(I know this), or why the 14pt was better(still no idea). Prodego 22:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I just think it looks better, it looks better big, and presumably the large amount of people who added it to their user pages in its present form have no problem with it either otherwise they wouldn't use it -_-   --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• That's is a good reason, please explain this to Ec5618 here so we can end this dispute. Prodego 22:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

ok. (was just about to ask why you were trying to make it look like I was replying to a different comment than I actually was - makes it look like I wasn't willing to talk) --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, it looked like you were replying to the first question, if you can reorder it and keep it so it still makes sense, I would appreciate it. (How does it make it look like you weren't willing to talk?) Prodego 23:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

No no, the previous edit (as shown in the diff) did, current version is fine don't worry. What I'm talking about is you put a comment *before* my reply which I had already made, which made it look like I was replying to your new message and not the previous one I actually was replying to. ;) --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Oh I see I meant explain it at Template_talk:User_Aspie it's where the link went. Prodego 23:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I will now I just noticed the block ran out at last --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think Ec5618 has any idea about Aspie, I doubt (s)he knows it's in common use. You might want to explain that to him(her) Prodego 23:45, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• • I added a proposed userbox to the talk page, let's work on it now. Prodego 23:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • The current version seems ok, what do you think? Prodego 00:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • • Ok, is done. I'll get unprotection tomorrow. Prodego 00:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Copy-and-paste moves

While copy-and-paste moves are not recommended, they are not considered vandalism. --cesarb 00:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

hmm ok. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your message on my talk

What does the fact that it's "not a real religion" have anything to do with it? It's still a stupid attack on contributors, potential contributors, and a large group of people, and as such has no place on Misplaced Pages.--Sean|Black 08:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not an "attack" on anything but the religion itself, no one has to be a cultist, it's their own choice :p

Well, although if they leave they will probably be hunted down and have criminal activities and slander constantly made about them..: Suppressive Person, Office of Special Affairs, Operation Snow White (aka Operation Whitewash) --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

That's not the point. The point is that it serves no purpose but to disparage a group of people. It doesn't make a difference if those people are money grubbing bastards- they're still people.--Sean|Black 23:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

And occasionally people deserve disparagement. Scientologists are a shining example of who and why. What's your point? Rogue 9 00:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. On Misplaced Pages, nobody deserves disparegment. Saying that shows a distinct lack of knowledge of our core policies.--Sean|Black 01:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I know the policies. I simply disagree with them. Rogue 9 04:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Then you ought to leave the project. WP:CIV will be policy forever, trust me.--Sean|Black 05:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Trust me, you're on the wrong frickin' person's talk page -_- --Mistress Selina Kyle 05:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

My apologies. Rogue 9 05:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

's ok. --Mistress Selina Kyle 05:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Scientology / appalling / me

My goal was not to get the template deleted "out of process". My question was why does a different process get taken for the Jewish one than the Scientology one. Undeletion would have worked. It should be uniform process O_O! gren グレン 10:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Scientology is not a religion in nearly all countries, America is the exception, not the rule: Misplaced Pages is not Americipedia --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 20:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your constructive comments on my request for bureaucratship.

I forgot about that entirely >_<

Looking at the comments it looks like you do actually deserve it, I'll remove my "oppose" vote in a bit:

What I was referring to however was your deletion of a the WP:RFC/KM template while TFD was still in process with no consensus which well, wasn't exactly good admin behaviour :¦   --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Please don't remove your objection - it was valid at the time and I would prefer the discussion to remain as a true archive of the process. As an aside however the tfd for WP:RFC/KM hadn't commenced when I deleted that page - the full series of events is detailed in response to OwenX's objection. -- Francs2000 22:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:Template

Why did you change it? I see no discussions about it. In the meantime, I have revered it to redirect. Renata 00:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

Thank you for your contributions. And I have a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries more often when you contribute. An edit summary helps others understand what you changed when checking the watchlist or the recent changes, and often times complements studying the diff. Think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. I hope you don't mind. :) Cheers – Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Asperger syndrome

Thanks to u now I know that i'm an Aspie.. and what tha hell u r rite i'm not funny at all... Jfreyre

lol i didn't sign

Re:Flag of Taiwan

I have posted my reasons for keeping the redirect at Talk:Flag of Taiwan. Please respond there.--Jiang 05:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

user against scientology has been speedily deleted

I have requested undeletion at WP:DRV#Template:User_against_scientology. Regardless of whether or not this template has any merit it should be undeleted until the tfd has run it's course. Your vote at the tfd counts for nothing if the speedy deletion stands.--God of War 06:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Goodbye.

You have been blocked indefineitly for trolling, personal attacks and general dickery. WP:AFG only goes so far, and I've had enough of this garbage. Goodbye--Sean|Black 07:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

By a strange coincidence, I was just coming here to give you a week-long block for these edits: —Cryptic (talk) 07:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Indefinitely? ....

This is ridiculous, I've made plenty of good edits..

It seems you're doing this for no other reason than to censor criticism..

As for those two edits, I deleted them because he was repeatedly placing his comments at the very top and not like a Comment as everyone else does.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 07:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I haven't been following closely, but I always maintain a healthy skepticism about these things and try to hear both sides of a story. Can you summarize this situation you're in for me? I'd like to feel comfortable unblocking you, at least for an interim period, but I'd need to get a good idea of what's going on. Everyking 08:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I think MSK is correct - this is a case of administrators abusing their tools. I always assume good faith, but I think that a block is totally out of line here. --Dschor 12:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I have little knowledge of the situation that transpired here, as I have neglected to fully research around the reason for your block; but seeing as I just experienced a unfair block where I felt like I had committed no wrong and had acted out of good faith, I understand how you must feel, and I greatly sympathize. I believe that the block should be lifted at least temporaily so that you can explain your actions, and despite some of actions, truly think that any wikipedian attemptting to give concensus for their block to be lifted must be at least somewhat concerned about the well-being of wikipedia. I hope you get through this and get this infinite block lifted. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I feel responsible for this

I first met MSK when I found out that Poetlister was banned just moments after she had written me an e-mail asking for help to resolve a dispute revolving around SlimVirgin and Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters. That ban, as I soon discovered (and have documented) was grossly unfair, as there is no evidence of sock puppetry, no transparency, and not even any attempts to try to justify it. What made it worse was the discovery that SlimVirgin herself had requested the ban by asking Kelly Martin for it. And what made it worse again was that Kelly Martin was lying and going around different places pretending that she was not involved and was "neutral", that she had provided a "neutral review of Mindspillage's ban and decided that it was legitimate". Of course, that wasn't the end of it. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters went around different places accusing me and others who questioned the decision of also being sock puppets and called for us to be banned. He then started harassing us and lying about different things. When I asked for someone to do something about his behaviour, nobody would do a thing, and instead I got similar threats and harassment from Antaeus Feldspar, who had been previously harassing me in relation to his obsessive hatred of Daniel Brandt.

It just got too much, and so I quit, on Christmas Day actually. I had tried my last ditch effort to make peace, asking Slim Virgin to help to broker peace with Lulu, only to have Lulu engage in perhaps the worst ever attacks on me, which are still on my user talk page. Still not a single person would do a thing, and these 2 abusive users with lengthy documented histories of abuse, were not only allowed to wander about harassing people and threatening to get people banned who stood in their way, but they were encouraged to do so. I saw with horror that someone who had written to support me in relation to Antaeus Feldspar got permabanned because of it. Oh and on top of that Kelly Martin was going around threatening me for "not assuming good faith" because I dared to question the actions of an administrator.

Now, most people would be scared off by this kind of thing. I was, Dan100 was, Arniep was. We all were. We couldn't handle the abuse. Whilst I'd dearly love to start a Request for Arbitration against Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, Antaeus Feldspar, SlimVirgin and Kelly Martin in relation to it, its just not worth it. I don't have the strength to go through with something like that, not with the abuse and corruption and all of the rest.

But Mistress Selina Kyle does have that strength.

She is a hero, and has kept the fight on, kept fighting the good fight, kept trying to right the wrongs. And because of her work, a lot of users are beginning to see a ray of hope, that things might change. And maybe, just maybe, with thanks to MSK, I might eventually feel safe enough to use this thing again. And maybe even have some kind of faith in the process which seems to be being polluted by these few who abuse it.

I know that MSK is not always terribly polite. Some of her edit summaries and comments are very direct and other users take offence at it. But that's just typial Asperger's Syndrome behaviour. Its not a personal attack, and just represents an inability of some Wikipedians to understand people who think a little differently to how they do. You could even call it discrimination for her to be banned for being herself.

I was horrified by SlimVirgin's note on the Administrator's Noticeboard to try to get MSK banned, pretending that she was a sock puppet of a "banned user" User:Chaosfeary (note: the user is not actually banned - but had been banned for 2 weeks at one point). Whilst I could not find his behaviour patterns, I would be quite surprised that they are similar. ChaosFeary seems to have been some kind of a political activist, whilst MSK is not.

Now, I don't know if MSK started doing this because of me, to try to help me out, and that she, like me, discovered the wealth of corruption as part of her investigation. Maybe she had been doing this beforehand. I don't know.

But I would dearly love to see MSK promoted to Administrator, even Arbitrator, as I think that she is incredibly good for Misplaced Pages. She is tireless and has great internal strength. She is technically brilliant, with getting diffs from out of nowhere. She is calm under fire. Her response to the ridiculous claims by SlimVirgin on the Administrator's Noticeboard were just amazing.

Oh and from what I can gather, MSK started this because of her adoration for User:Taxwoman, who quite obviously is not the same person as User:Poetlister.

Anyway, so if this is my fault, I suppose I should say sorry. Except that I think that what MSK has done has been incredibly good for Misplaced Pages. Getting rid of her would seriously hurt Misplaced Pages. We can replace people like SlimVirgin and Kelly Martin and the like, but I don't think that we can replace MSK. She is 1 in a million. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 15:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

She'll be back

If I were a user who gave barnstars, I would give one to her for her tireless efforts to fight admin oligarchy and return wikipedia to users. I am sure I will soon be reading the notice board about a "suspected sock-puppet" of Selina Kyle. May the winds be with you.--12.221.139.214 23:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Of course she'll be back. It was rather evident all along that she was a reincarnation of some other banned troll. User:Zoe| 00:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Really? Wait, do you actually believe that nonsense from SV about it (that was proven to be false)? And how do you define "troll"? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 01:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

your ability to appeal

If you wish to defend yourself by making an appeal to reduce or remove your current block, and should you show you can be constructive, I am informing that should you show the interest, you can make an appeal for your block at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration. If you choose to do so, I will file a request on your behalf, but you have to write your own statements which I will forward. Affirming this choice means the block will be technically lifted should injunction follow, depending on how the process turns out. However, despite the lifting of this technicality, you will still be considered banned from all articles and talk pages, templates et al., except your userpage, your talk page, and the arbcom pages. Should this be violated during the temporary injunction, the block will be automatically reinstated, and your chances for appeal ruined.

This is a genuine chance for you to demonstrate that you are a Wikipedian, that you have the capability to act in good faith, and a capability to change. If you truly have Misplaced Pages's interests at heart, do not take advantage of other editors' willingness to make a case for you, nor mine. Consider yourself lucky. That said, do you want to appeal? Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 00:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I would be willing to contribute in your defense as well. You have worked with me in good faith in the past. Keep in mind that even assuming ArbCom lifts your indef. block, you'll still be under some intense scrutiny once you return. You've annoyed quite a number of people, be that intentional or unintentional. Good luck, though, whatever your decision. —BorgHunter (talk) 03:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Take ur chances and fight... I've seen ur contributions and I think u've been working in good faith, so this block-thing is just unfair.. good luck... Jfreyre 03:45, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I think an indefinite block is ridiculous. If there's any way I can help within reason, let me know and I'm there. Drop me a line at renegade.paladin (at) gmail.com any time. Barring that, I can always be contacted at my message board or Librium Arcana's forums. In both cases, the Testing forums can be edited without creating an account; simply leave a new thread with Rogue 9 in the title and I'll see it. Rogue 9 05:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I would like to but I don't know what I can say that will make any difference really :/ I've already pointed out a lot of things (for example the block by kelly martin at the top of my page for saying the (FACT that was confirmed by others afterwards) that SPUI got banned, lying and calling it a "personal attack".. um

I've tried to help wikipedia and been attacked and finally chased off, I doubt much will change in the future in the way Misplaced Pages works: the people who want power are usually the ones least suited to have it. there are too many huge egos around.

as for "she will be back" (comment by a sockpuppet itself), please don't make stupid statements like that however good intentioned; I have no intention of coming back by making a new account or whatever, the fact is that Misplaced Pages is a waste of my time if simply debating (it's true when I was newer I tended to insult people, but people often insulted me first and I just reacted in the same way I would if someone started insulting me in person - recently I have disagreed, maybe argued a bit, but rarely actually called people names etc) and pointing out some pretty serious corruption is something that'll get people banned. Zoe, you are one of those users who supposedly should know better than to personally attack people, but you obviously don't. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I commented that you are a "troll" (and so look like one).

for people reading this you might also want to note that Zoe supports Kelly Martin in being an arbitrator, and so obviously doesn't agree with the fact that Martin habitually mis-uses her admin privileges for her own personal ends and likely is happy I'm gone because it "proves" (to her and other followers) that Martin was right. Definitely not a neutral party here.

Also I would like to know why my user page has been blanked and replaced with a "banned" banner, this is completely un-necessary, if Sean Black wants a big notice he could've just put it at the top of the page.. I believe this is an attempt to make it look to the casual viewer that I'm just one of the many banned vandals or whatever.

Anyway I would like to appeal but I don't really know how, and I'm not really sure what could be said that would change people's minds, especially as many of the people who would be reviewing the ban would be people distinctly involved and with reason to want me gone; one of the few things I can think of that might help is waiting until after the ArbCom elections finish so that more neutral parties get a say.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 10:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Advice #1: This is about your appeal. Reply to accusations if you wish, but do not make remarks about other users, because for one, that is an ad hominem. I will file the case on your behalf as you have shown interest, but I beseech you to act politely from now on. Elle _{vécu heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 11:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok thank you and sorry (I just really hate it when people insult me and expect to be protected by WP:NPA when they're violating it themselves..) Um see my reply at the bottom regarding the file case though --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

request for arbitration has been filed

A request for arbitration for your appeal has been filed at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#User:Mistress Selina Kyle. Please craft your own statement here, preferably as politely as possible, so I may post it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natalinasmpf (talk • contribs)

ARGH please no...

Can it wait until after the elections? Looking at the votes there's going to be substantially fairer arbitrators being elected this time around.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

What are you saying? That you want the RFAr to be withdrawn? Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes at the moment however I would like it to happen after the elections finish please (I don't mind waiting around) --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:08, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I see, Dschor has left a note of that at the RFAr page. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Can't Elle (Natalinasmpf) just remove it? If you're reading this Elle please do if it's allowed :/ --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Arbcom request

Well, you may wish to work on your request and discuss your future appeals with other users here. I have withdrawn my motion and cut and pasted it to here, and cut out comments since they wouldn't apply for the future appeal. Feel free to deal with this as you wish, you may or may not like this to exist on your talk page, or have people modify it. Cheers.

User:Mistress Selina Kyle

Involved parties

• Mistress Selina Kyle (talk · contribs) (nominal defendant appealing, represented by Natalinasmpf (talk · contribs) acting as proxy)
• Users who advocate an indefinite block for Mistress Selina Kyle

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

Mistress Selina Kyle accepted my offer to file an appeal on her behalf.

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

User was indefinitely blocked without any steps taken in the dispute resolution process. Mistress Selina Kyle wishes to appeal this block.

Statement by proxy Natalinasmpf

I wish to only become involved in the case to act as Mistress Selina Kyle's proxy because she is currently indefinitely blocked and cannot make this request herself. Mistress Selina Kyle wishes to appeal her indefinite block. Please treat me as a representative, not as an involved party. I am currently listing her as the only involved specific party at the moment, because I do not know who wishes to pursue the case against her. I am therefore only currently replacing the second party with a generic "users who advocate an indefinitely block for Mistress Selina Kyle". Pardon me.

I request the temporary injunction that Mistress Selina Kyle's indefinite block be technically lifted, but she remains effectively banned from articles and other pages except for her user page, her talk page, and the arbitration pages.

Statement by Zordrac

I first met Mistress Selina Kyle when I was asked for help with mediating a dispute between User:RachelBrown and User:SlimVirgin/User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, which User:Poetlister (largely a neutral party in the dispute) asked me for an opinion on. Poetlister and 4 other UK users were banned as a result of daring to question SlimVirgin. I investigated, and discovered that Kelly Martin was behind it. I was threatened with being banned over it, by Kelly Martin and Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, and so was Mistress Selina Kyle, who helped out. I think that MSK is a hero for her work on that dispute alone, and I know of hundreds of Wikipedians who adore her for her work in this.

If MSK was a common troll, she wouldn't have hundreds of messages to her praising her for her efforts. She is no troll. She is a hero. Her work in delving deep in to the editing habits of Kelly Martin and Slim Virgin has been exemplary, and, through people like Firebug, it has also exposed Snowspinner, as well as others involved like Ambi, David Gerard and Sean Black.

What we have here is someone who is criticising Misplaced Pages. But she isn't aiming to destroy it. She is aiming to create it. What she wants here is for everyone to be here in a happy, community-happy, relationship, where everyone can edit freely. She isn't out here to destroy Misplaced Pages - she is here to make it good. Rather than MSK being banned, she should be promoted. The instant that he is unbanned, I will post an RFA - Request for Adminship, and I am sure that she would get in. She is one of the most loyal, devout supporters of Misplaced Pages that you could imagine.

As for MSK's editing habits, oh sure, she is rude, abrupt, to the point, direct, and sometimes offensive. In other words, she is an Aspie. She has not engaged in a single personal attack. Some people have misunderstood her edits to suggest that she has, but they are wrong. Just take a look at what Asperger's Syndrome means before making such comments. She is accurate. She is highly technical. That makes her *IDEAL FOR AN ENCYCLOPAEDIA*. With people like MSK on the books, we can ensure an accurate encyclopaedia free of errors. That is what we want, ultimately, don't we? On top of that, she is brave enough to put her life on the line (or at least her online status) to get rid of corruption.

You cannot get more loyal than that.

If there is an administrator, or any contributor to Misplaced Pages who is more committed to its success, then I'd like to know who they are. Mistress Selina Kyle is the most loyal and dedicated contributor in the history of Misplaced Pages. Getting rid of her, and people like her, will be the death of Misplaced Pages. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 10:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Comments

...but, after all that rhetoric, you've missed one fundamental thing. She doesn't work on the encyclopedia. After all that aggression, she's made less article edits that I (or most admins or dedicated editors) do in a single day. Had she made any effort to actually contribute to the encyclopedia, instead of playing war games, we may not be here. Ambi 12:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I've made plenty of edits and was intending to make more, but the fact that people like you, Martin and SlimVirgin can act in such a disgusting manner for someone in a position of authority points towards a large problem with corruption and nepotism/cliqueism within the "functionaries" of Misplaced Pages and is seriously damaging it, corruption that needs to be challenged for Misplaced Pages to function properly and avoid scenarios like this where people are banned for disagreeing with or pointing out misconduct of friends of admins. --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I have marked these replies as a separate section since this request is supposed to be a copy and paste arbcom request when it is done. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 22:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Cheerful greets from near the Pacific Ocean

Hello Mistress Selina Kyle, here's a photo of some of the chickens and ducks in my yard. I live in a small town ] near the pacific ocean. Have a nice day, hope to talk with you sometime.Terryeo 03:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

~sigh~ This is an attempt to show me that you're "just another guy", I see

Terryeo (talk · contribs) - fact is some of the POV-pushing you've been engaging is worrying. I notice you just removed the Scientology template from many pages claiming that it's "historical" and also edited it to remove all the links that were to Scientology controversy articles.. I hope someone stops you, looking at the edits you're making it's clear to see what your aims here are, essentially part of Scientology versus the Internet -_-   --Mistress Selina Kyle 10:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh and that you misquoted and personally attacked me on your talk page the day before posting this message here doesn't help either. --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Abusive Blocks

I see that you are another victim of the cabal. Welcome to wikipedia. I also have been subject to blocks (though not an indefinite one, that's just daft) for attempting to point out the rampant cronyism and corruption of some administrators. These admins enjoy vandalizing user pages, blocking users who attempt to inform others of the abuse, and generally wasting the time of dedicated editors. You are a valuable member of Misplaced Pages, and I hope that you will be unblocked as soon as possible. It only takes one intelligent administrator to remove the block and restore your user page - hopefully there is still one left. --Dschor 11:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I am an ex-admin now, but I can still point out that the correct manner to dispute a block is to first send a polite request to the blocking administrator, explaining why you feel the block was in error. If their response is unreasonable, or you have further reason to feel they are being injust, you should email an uninvolved administrator in the same polite tone, citing reasons (and providing appropriate URLs where possible) for the request for the block to be lifted.

Tone is important. An administrator will not unblock a user who demands it in an unacceptable and/or trollish manner. One will also look at your reaction to being blocked, and your conduct in general, to see whether or not you have acted in good faith.

It's quite possible for this mistake, if it was, to be turned around. It requires co-operation from both sides. If you are willing to be co-operative, and pleasant, then I am willing to ask the administrators involved to remember the same. I would suggest a careful RFC is in order; do not file it against an admin, per se; rather, make yourself the subject, so that the true purpose can come out, and the community as a whole can gauge how it feels about your behaviour.

I am accused often, too often, it seems, of being on one side. The truth is, while I might be an "adopted member" of the Cabal, I act for no side other than mine. My opinion is simple. Those who are here to help write an encyclopedia are welcome. Newcomers who make mistakes are still welcome, and should be treated well. Those who behave poorly but are capable of demonstrating their worth are still welcome. Those who put other gains above our goal are not. It makes no odds to me if your account is, as claimed, a reincarnation of a blocked user. If you're here to help us, then I support it. Rob Church 19:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

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I also feel you have been delt an unfair hand here, I hope everything works out. =( Mike 13:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Once again, I seriously will consider unblocking you if you describe the situation to me and I conclude that you've been treated unfairly. Right now I suspect you've been treated unfairly, but unblocking you could get me in trouble and I don't want to risk it unless I'm quite sure. Everyking 14:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, um. Well, pretty much the whole situation is on this page now. As per the link at the top of the page (goes straight to the right section) there's also talk on the Administrators' noticeboard about why kelly martin and friends banned me but that hasn't been updated recently. As per the top of the page I made a point with proof against her (rather silly) accusation that I'm "a new willy on wheels"-type user, she also tried to call me a vandal due to sharing the IP with vandals in the withdrawn RfA but as I already said posted proof above (this in fact is very recent as she must have done a check user after I was banned and went back to college, I never use this IP except when I'm at college for my own privacy) (as a sidenote they actually block Misplaced Pages here too haha, classified under "Chat" .. lol. I don't use it to get around the block though I use Firefox for that: while internet explorer has options hidden so you can't remove the use of the college proxy server I install firefox and voila no proxy.. it rocks.) --Mistress Selina Kyle 14:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, so what do you think you've done incorrectly, if anything? Would you change anything if you were unblocked? How do you think you could get along better with these people who oppose you—do you think it'd be possible to reach some kind of understanding with them? Everyking 14:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

(Here's a link showing Misplaced Pages banned at my college (if not for firefox, yay for firefox by the way)

Um, ok:

• What I think I've done wrong
  • Using a proxy (see my reply at #Why she was banned) (which anyone can use), as I already said and as I said also I've never edited on there without being logged in, any other edits are not me: Kinda divided on this though, as I know it's against the rules to use proxies but I'm also only using it so people can't get my college IP and so know what college I go to..
  • Not talking on talk pages enough, I tend to (out of laziness rather than anything else) hold mini-debates in edit summaries instead
  • Implying that some admins are corrupt (even if they are in my and many others' views) (but not all, I've never said that) tends to annoy people and make friends of the admin in question get angry
• What I would change
  • Well, try not do the things listed above really
• How to get along better with the people that oppose me/reach an understanding
  • I have no idea, SlimVirgin and Kelly Martin have their own vendetta against me now for pointing out various things; SlimVirgin has already refused, saying that she doesn't have any problems, after Karmafist offered to mediate, and the fact that Martin is trying so desperately to keep me banned.. well.. I doubt she is going act any different in future. One thing I have found is that with some people, when one person decides they don't like you, friends of that person start grouping on you to attack you together..

Looking at my contribs, the last edit I made was merely to Half-Life 2: Aftermath so couldn't have been what got me blocked, but before those edits I left a message regarding SlimVirgin's use of an image that was tagged as fair use (when the message was left) on her user page, see Image talk:Kamelia shojaee.jpg (link to diff with message): I admit I was a bit terse but hardly a personal attack or whatever. She had previously aggressively deleted a message I left about it on her talk page twice] (in an edit marked as a minor edit) and ignored it. I didn't try putting it back after that and pretty much dropped the issue for a while until other people began talking about it.

It seems more than anything I was blocked by Sean Black for implying that SlimVirgin could simply write an email, making it "From: museum" or something and forward it, which is a valid point because it would be easy for anyone to do --Mistress Selina Kyle 15:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed a message left by recently-created admin Anonymous editor (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), who I opposed his adminship on count of his constant POV-warring on Islam-related articles, which was quickly removed to hide his bias and sent by email instead: He and SlimVirgin are no doubt very happy to have a critic of their nepotism banned.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Overall I really don't know what to do, it seems a lot of people have a personal interest in having me blocked. Many users have done similar things at times that are bad but aren't blocked: I think an indefinite block is definitely unjustified and it seems, against blocking policy too. It was done by Sean Black a little after the message about SlimVirgin's use of fair use images on her user page and Cryptic (who has banned people for merely linking to Kelly Martin's RfC on Misplaced Pages:Userboxes before (later overturned)) --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, this sounds good to me. I'll wait 12 hours or so for someone else to provide a good reason for you to stay blocked, and if not I'll unblock you. Everyking 22:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello Everyking. I have not been involved with any of the issues relating to Mistress Selina Kyle. However, I did notice the proxy placement of a request for arbitration, followed by the removal of that request, which piqued my interest. A cursory examination of her talk page history confirms that she has admitted to editting from behind an anonymous proxy server. This is clearly against policy as described at Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy, which states "Administrators are permitted and encouraged to IP-block anonymous proxies indefinitely". A cursory examination her contribution history often shows surly, even abusive comments, lack of discussion on talk pages, impersonating an administrator on her user page, etc. Again, looking at her talk page history, there have been numerous warnings about these activities here. Therefore, I urge you not to unblock her unilaterally. Instead, we should reinstate the request for arbitration, so that she has a chance to explain herself, and so that others have the chance to state why she has been blocked. Johntex\ 23:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

For most of my edits though, I have NOT been using this proxy, as I already said I only use it when I am at college for my own personal privacy.

Also yes, proxies should be blocked indefinitely but there's nothing there that says people that use a proxy should also therefore be blocked indefinitely. Just not able to use the proxy anymore, which is fair enough (even though I never used for any bad purpose and only when I was logged in anyway..)

Point: I did not impersonate a specific administrator I just copypasted the "administrator" userbox from someone else's page (they're all the same anyway, it's just {{user admin}}), and it was only in fun, I wasn't sure whether it was allowed or not. I was actually told by varying different admins that it was alternately "not really important, doesn't matter much" and "impersonating an administrator is a serious offence" - after I was told this I removed it straight away, so that's really a non-issue here: there was no bad intentions and as I remember I only had it there for about half a day before I voluntarily removed it.

I'd like to thank Ms. Selina Kyle for identifying a few more open proxies for us so we could block them. Due to the high volume of vandalism that comes from open proxies (and the very low volume of legitimate edits), it's a general presumption that anybody who (a) edits through one and (b) generally acts like a shit, is a vandal. Ms. Kyle meets both halves of that condition. I don't recommend that she be unblocked any time soon (I really don't see any evidence that she has ever substantially contributed to the encyclopedia, and I have no reason to believe that she would start doing so were we to unblock her), but I may have been mistaken in identifying her with the program vandals she shared an open proxy with. She is still a very disruptive user, and her current block is totally warranted on that basis. I must say that using an open proxy in combination with her persistently combative and unfriendly attitude definitely has not helped her case. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

You also generally "act like a shit" to many people, Martin, but you're not banned thus far - It's funny how some of the largest quoters of WP:CIVIL are often uncivil to other people themselves (above quote is a great example, thanks).

A "vandal"? That's just seriously seriously wrong, and it seems you're just trying to tar me as a "vandal" without actual evidence: I have only ever vandalised one article, and that was only in joke and was quickly reverted (on Iain Lee). As I already pointed out near the top of this page I've made plenty of good edits, looks to me like some people just choose to ignore them when it suits them though.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 09:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

You don't think moving Template:User US Customary to Template:User uses-obselete-imperial-units-from-exbritish-empire was vandalism? User:Zoe| 21:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

hmm, wrong to do yeah (and now you mention it I'm pretty sure I said sorry for it after too), but even then not actual vandalism since nothing was broken as such (the template didn't disappear from anyone's page, didn't change in appearance in any way, the name of it was just changed and since it was automatically redirected there was absolutely no damage to wikipedia made by moving the user box --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:47, 13 January 2006 (UTC))

Perhaps we could unblock her for an interim period, with her activities limited, and see how that goes? Everyking 03:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

And what makes a "legitimate" edit in the view of Kelly Martin, then? You'll have to forgive me for saying so, but recent events inevitably lead me to conclude that your view of what is legitimate is a very narrow one. Rogue 9 06:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey. Wondering how it was going..? Are you okay? Figured I'd keep you company while you're on lockdown :( I know, I know how it feels to be blocked unjustly. Hope you get off soon. -MegamanZero|Talk 17:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Im ok just going home from college now. I don't know whether I'm going to be unblocked or not but I hope so, looking at the facts of the matter (including some of things i've pointed out in reply to accusations here) it really is totally unjustified.

I won't be contributing to Commons while if I'm banned because quite frankly this is showing me everything I need to know about just how much Misplaced Pages is misrun even though it's a good idea in theory.. From my edits you can see I'm definitely pro-wikipedia and no "vandal" but this kind of thing kinda implies it's a waste of time for anyone to try edit if they want to be able to have free speech as well. It seems I'm essentially being banned for pointing out admin misues and abuses as well as policy violations.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I understand. And you're absolutely right- its not fair, and administrators should not abuse their "powers". However, "pointing out" administrator's behavior is bad for you too- it makes you enemies. And when that happens, then its ever easier for someone to mis-understand your good faith and block you for the most insignifgant of reasons. I also felt like leaving when I was unjustly blocked, but I argued my situation, and someone let me off my block early. Just apologize, and continue to explain how you didn't mean to be vindictive, slanderous, etc. If you are truly in the right, I'm sure someone will lift your block. I hope for your return. -MegamanZero|Talk 18:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

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... Jfreyre

Unblocked

I've unblocked you from your indefinite block because I am not convinced you merit a banning. However I don't think I will be able to unblock you again. Please be exceedingly cautious in your future comments during this period. I believe there does need to be an Arbitration or at least an RfC about you, your behavior, and other users response to you. I think you are wise to want to wait until the new ArbCom is seated. Please do not remove anyone else's comments from any Talk page, for any reason. That is seen as exceedingly rude. Best wishes, Ëvilphoenix 00:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I see no justification for an unblocking here. I have restored the block and taken the case back to WP:AN/I for review . --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I was happy to see Ëvilphoenix' unblocking of MSK. I don't agree with all she says, and she and I locked horns early on, but she is most energetic and has made some good contributions. As we are in the process (neverending) of building an encyclopedia, please let's remember nobody has a lock on truth or fact, it's all just a matter of where you're standing at the time, and there are a lot more malicious folks out there who need a good banning, real vandals who seriously need made into mulch, and a whole lot of really good people who are doing this all out of the goodness of their hearts. She's a good young lady, she'll find her way, and she has much to offer. Kudos Ëvilphoenix, carry on! Chris 02:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree that she should have been blocked, but undoing the actions of another admin acting in good faith is something I would never consider doing. It's moot now that she's been reblocked, but if she wishes to pursue it, it's up to the ArbCom to decide. The block was not made out of policy. I believe it was improper to unblock. —BorgHunter (talk) 16:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

BorgHunter, please explain what you mean. If "The block was not made out of policy" in the first place, then why is it "improper" to remove it..? I greatly agree with the concept of respecting your peer's thoughts and actions, but the oringinal block had no concenus (as the matter wasn't discussed beforehand), so nor does the reblock. And Arbcom can't decide if she can't argue her case. It was. however, improper to make an inquery before the action of implimenting an indifinite block. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

What I said was, the block was not made out of policy, i.e. the block was perfectly fine. Made within policy. There needn't be consensus for an indef. block, or any sort of block, for that matter. This is why we have ArbCom: To decide these things if a block (made within WP:BP) is required or not. (Incidentally, if she does contest her block before ArbCom, there will be a temporary injunction to unblock her to allow her to edit things related to the case only.) —BorgHunter (talk) 16:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm aware there's no policy agaist blocking indefintely, however, the concenus "You have been blocked indefineitly for trolling, personal attacks and general dickery. WP:AFG only goes so far, and I've had enough of this garbage" means absolutely nothing. However, seeing as another admin was proceeding to give you a week long block for various blocks, anyway, it shows that if you ever get out of this situation, MSK, you should take this very, very seriously. No more "speaking out", No more reverts without concensus, no more personal attacks, namecalling, etc. Just edit in good faith, and speak positively about articles. If someone breaches civilty, don't sink to their level. Just remove it and ignore it (and inform an admin so they can get their "reward"). -MegamanZero|Talk 16:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

It seems that Administrators with personal reasons to ban this user have taken advantage of their position to impose an improper block on MSK. In the interests of Misplaced Pages, MSK should be unblocked immediately. Tony Sidaway reinstated this block after it was removed, and provided absolutely no reason for doing so. This entire episode appears to be a personal attack on MSK for attempting to reveal cronyism and corruption that may be negatively impacting the project. --Dschor 20:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

You're free! :) But remember: Tread carefully. They'll be looking for a reason to reblock you. Please neglect to give tem the oppurtunity. -MegamanZero|Talk 20:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not -_- Tony Sidaway blocked me after I was unblocked: see top of this page for info and link(s) .. no coincidence it's another Martin fan determined to silence critics --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Mistress, if Tony hadn't reblocked you, someone else would have. I would have for certain and I'm not a Martin "fan". --Woohookitty 06:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

don't try to pretend to be neutral Woohookitty, it's clear to see you're one of slimvirgin's friends.

Notice on your User page

I hope I have not overstepped my bounds by recreating the notice on your User page that refers to your ongoing block. Tony seems to think it is silly to take responsibility for his actions, but I thought it would be in the interests of full disclosure to place the notice. Let me know what you think of the messagebox. --Dschor 01:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure that it's accurate. MSK was banned indefinitely by User:Sean Black. User:Tony Sidaway just did the reblock. I would have thought that it would be more accurate to state that she was permanently banned because of a ruling of Sean Black (also note that Sean Black is MUCH more closely allied with Kelly Martin and Slim Virgin than Tony Sidaway is - although both are closely linked). Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 01:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

RfC:KM

You commented on Kelly Martin's second RfC. it is up for archival. you may vote at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Kelly_Martin#Archiving_this_RfC. CastAStone| 03:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually she can't, as a banned user, but thanks just the same. I am sure that this was an automatic message you send through. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 06:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Concrete steps

What sort of concrete steps can we take to get this user unblocked? To me, the block clearly doesn't have admin consensus, so it shouldn't have been done. How about we arrange a poll about this? That will give a little bit of process and legitimacy to the outcome, and I suspect it would be the right one (I don't think supporters of the block could get consensus). Everyking 10:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Unblock

Per discussion on WP:AN/I it's clear that there is no consensus on whether this block should stand. In this case, by default, the user should not be blocked, pending consensus on the topic. As such, I decided to unblock this user for the time being, providing her with the opportunity to improve. I appeal to other administrators to not reblock her immediately, provided that she:

• Stays clear of personal attacks
• Uses reverts only on clear-cut vandalism
• Makes useful edits to encyclopedia

If you think reblocking is appropriate, consider following formal procedure (WP:RFC or WP:RFAr), instead of acting unilaterally.  Grue  11:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

Your talkpage is becoming quite immense; you might want to consider archiving. -MegamanZero|Talk 12:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I think someone mentioned that before, not quite sure how to do it properly

Um I think I'll leave it for a week or so though, just so all the information is easily out for people to see --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I made you a link: User talk:Mistress Selina Kyle/Archive 1; just copy and paste your old conversations in there (I usually put my comments down to 85), then put this link at the top of your talkpage for future refernce. -MegamanZero|Talk 12:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

• BTW, Here's my first archive if you want an example of how its done. -MegamanZero|Talk 12:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

message

Sorry. What's that game tho? Never heard of it so I don't get the reference --Mistress Selina Kyle 14:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Just a joke. The "Plame Name Blame Game" refers to a scandal in Washington D.C. about the wife of an ambassador, Valerie Plame, who was a CIA spy "outed" by someone in the Bush Administration. There is a special prosecutor trying to figure out who did it, and people are pointing fingers everywhere. Endomion 15:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

And other things...

Mistress, I don't mean to be offesnsive or anything when I say this, but you've got to stop. That editor's summary of your edits was somewhat uncalled for on the administrative board, but calling him a prick and screaming at him will not solve anything. Absolutely nothing. Its also extremely easy to precieve that "defense" of yours as a personal attack. Were you not just blocked for this...? Please, take consideration into what you say, and think before you type. In the meanwhile, I suggest you reword your thesis concerning your edits less offensively on the Admin board, and explain yourself better. You are cruising for trouble, and I really don't want you to get blocked again, as if that happens, I'm afraid there's no coming back. Please take my advice into consideration. -MegamanZero|Talk 15:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Block

Your recent comments on AN/I are a clear violation of the no personal attacks policy. Since you have a long history of being blocked for disruption, and have not reformed, I am issuing a 24 hour block for disruption. Please refrain from further personal attacks if you choose to return after your block expires. -- Essjay 15:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)