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NOTE: There are many discussions going on here that would probably be more productive over at commons. If you're interested in commons policy, the best way to influence it is to participate at commons. :-) Let's gradually (no need to dramatically shut things down here) try to migrate discussions of commons over to commons.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

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Més que un usuario award

Hi Jimbo! I'm Gabriele Deulofleu from it.wiki, in this season will deliver the Award G. Deulofleu - Més que un usuario and I need a great host for my event, you have no job, I will do everything, I just need your permission to write your name as a special guest. If you agree just send me a confirmation-message in talk, and you add in the section madrina/padrino, I would love to have you with me virtually, Ciao. talk 22:52, 5 June 2010 (CEST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.36.255.165 (talk)

List of Scientologists RFC

Hi Jimbo- I am the person who started the RFC on the List of Scientologists. Thank you for participating in the RFC. I suggested that given the controvery around scientology and the real world consequences of being associated with it, that the best criteria for inclusion on the list is to have reliable sources showing people self-identifying as scientologists. There seems to be a lot of support for this approach on the RFC thus far. In the mean time however, two users Cirt and Coffeepusher done over 100 edits on the list in the last 48 hours. Someone else suggested that they were advancing an agenda. I hate to put myself in the middle of it but I am now inclined to agree. In your comment you suggested that the two sides are talking past each other. I think it is more a case of one side is ignoring the main question of the RFC. I read the policy about disruptive editing and saw WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. That certainly seems to be the case on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:List_of_Scientologists#Please_leave_as_a_list_until_the_RfC_process_has_completed I hope you would be willing to come back and weigh in on this specific issue. Thank you for your time and consideration. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo, Jayen466 (talk · contribs) and I have come to an agreement regarding the nature of the list page, and I agree with his recent comments, and . Jayen466 commented on the formatting changes that I have made to the article, "Nice job on the table formatting too; must have been a lot of work." Jayen466 commented with regards to an amicable solution, having a subsection on the page for those that participated in courses, "We now have a section on course participants who have not been identified as (former) Scientologists; I think this is probably the right way to go here." I agree with this. This is the best and most logical way forward. :) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 04:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that this is the bare minimum that is necessary. It is not at all clear to me that a listing of course participants is actually in any way encyclopedic, but I will have to review the list and see what I think of it. I have friends, now in Misplaced Pages, who at age 18 or 20 or whatever got persuaded to take a single Scientology course, found that they weren't interested (or, perhaps, found the whole thing to be fundamentally wrong), and never went back. Such people might, at some point, mention this to a reporter and it gets mentioned somewhere. It would be absolutely wrong to refer to such a person as a former Scientologist, but it would also be irrelevant and pointless to put them on a list.

Do we treat other religions in this way? Do we have a list of people who have attended a Catholic mass? How about a list of people who attended a Catholic baptism prep course of some kind? I just don't see the relevance of such trivia. It certainly isn't likely to be relevant to the biography of someone (unless it *is* relevant, i.e. they identify the class and rejection of Scientology as a turning point in life, for example). And it seems not very relevant to Scientology.

But I will review the list and think about it more - my opinion here is unsettled.

I should add that, of course, I'm interested in this issue as an ordinary editor and as one of dozens of examples that I like to study when I think about BLP issues - but I'm not making any kind of special ruling and people shouldn't cite this opinion of mine as policy or as being particularly special in any way.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Addendum: Having reviewed now the 4 who are listed as "Course participants" I don't have a problem with it. Enough information is given to see why it is relevant to the lives of the people involved (although in most cases, I would argue that it doesn't belong in their biography) and why it is relevant to our understanding of Scientology as a movement (i.e. what do some prominent people say about why they took a course, and why they didn't go on to become a Scientologist).

I am still concerned about the abstract case I mentioned before. I am thinking now of my own life: if I had taken a course when I was 20 (I didn't!), it would be completely irrelevant to anything today.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to the July 2010 Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive

Hi Jimmy, You may recall that I invited you to register for the Guild of Copy Editors May 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. You were pretty busy and did not respond to the invitation. I wanted to let you know that during that drive, we cleared all the {{copyedit}} tags from 2007, and in this next drive, starting in July, we aim to clear all of 2008. It would draw significant attention to the project if you signed up on our participation page, and after the drive begins, symbolically copyedited a single article. As I know you're busy, I'm sure we can find a short one for you. I know that you prefer "quality over quantity," and this will significantly increase the quality of the articles currently available. The event page is at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2010. Please consider accepting our invitation. ɳorɑfʈ 07:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Content noticeboard discussion

I've started a content noticeboard discussion on the best way to handle explicit images of bondage practices. I think we have three choices here in en:Misplaced Pages -- display them openly (the status quo), put them into a collapsible gallery, or replace them with a link to a relevant Commons category. Each of these has potential advantages and drawbacks. As you've expressed an interest in these issues in the past, I thought you might like to comment. --JN466 12:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Planned rev. 67559

Hallo Jimbo. This revision should not be introduced. That is a feature which violates not only WP:NPOV – how one language in an international project can be more important than another? – it's also dangerous. It is endorsing – very surely unintended but indeed it does – chauvinism, racism and discrimination. Therefore such a software feature should not be activated. Please consult this with the WMF board and please do everything that such (or any similar) mechanism will never be part of the software. Thanks. --Matthiasb (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Could you tell me what the feature does and why you are opposed to it? I read the page but I didn't understand. "dangerous", "chauvinism, racism, and discrimination" - I'm not sure that your outrage is helpful here. Don't tell me what conclusion I should reach: give me an NPOV summary of what the situation is. :-) --Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Appeal

I want to appeal to Jimbo Wales as a last resort, please. I have been permanently banned from es.wikipedia es.wikipedia don't have procedures to protect against arbitrariness and has installed a single thought. In my expulsion there has been no discussion or evidence, there has been coercion from blog. Mi removal is only due to my thinking, there have been acts against wikipedia or their rules, only talk. Misplaced Pages is part of an American foundation and america is a country of freedom of thought and talk. The local Misplaced Pages can not be different. More information.Mjoseph (talk) 16:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)