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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future: http://www.animeph.com/voc.html http://books.google.com/books?id=ebzZAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Futanari%22+-inpublisher:icon&dq=%22Futanari%22+-inpublisher:icon&as_brr=0 http://www.studlife.com/scene/2008/08/29/internet-of-hentai/

Haruki Genia link

I checked the link to Haruki Genia's website. While he (she?) is listed as an artist that has depicted futanari in his/her works, the website appears to not feature any futanari content. While I would not be surprised if futanari has featured occasionally in Genia's doujin manga, I don't think this Misplaced Pages page should link to a website that is not immediately relevant to the page's subject matter. Perhaps we could find an artist's website that is more pertinent? --134.173.95.175 (talk) 05:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Futanari

I don't usually interfere with the flow of wikipedia, but the article and several editors are blatantly inaccurate with respect to the meaning of "futanari": 二成、双成、双成り、二形、両形 - all spellings have at least some dictionary definitions as hermaphrodite (両性具有者) or androgyne. Source: Kenkyusha's New Japanese-English Dictionary and Daijirin 3rd edition. Both definitive dictionaries. No need for "double form" nonsense, or suggestions that is a neologism; however, I have not updated the article.

The typical dictionary will tell you what the word means in its native language. However, this is the English Misplaced Pages, and we here at Misplaced Pages would like to speak of the word in the English context, which is different. Kind of like how bukkake is still used in modern Japan to describe the dunking of noodles, but that definition is unheard of in the English variant of the word.(Myscrnnm (talk) 18:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC))

Missing the point. The article says the JAPANESE meaning is "two form". It is not. If you want the Japanese meaning there, put it accurately. If the Japanese meaning is irrelevant, remove it altogether. And apart from that, how is it meaning "hermaphrodite" irrelevant? It is probably more descriptive than the "two form" bullshit. 60.228.110.86 (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Machine analysis of these Japanese terms

I don't speak a bit of Japanese. I have never participated in writing this article.

Below are the results of my analysis using Google Translate:

1. 二成 two-adult (my interpretation: "postpubescent in both ways; bipubescent"?)
   • 二 two
   • 成 growth
2. 二形 hermaphrodite (my interpretation: "two-form; dimorph"?)
   • 二 two
   • 形 shape
3. ふたなり hermaphrodite (my interpretation: ???)
   • ふた lid
   • なり be; becomes
     • な a
     • り
4. 双成り hermaphrodite (my interpretation: "of dual build; bicomposed"?)
   • 双成 twin growth
   • 成り composed
     • 双 double
     • 成 growth
     • り
5. 両性具有者 androgyne (my interpretation: "owner of organs of both sexes"?)
   • 両 both
   • 性 sex
   • 具 tool (my interpretation: "organ"?)
   • 有者 owner
     • • 有 yes (my interpretation: "right; just"?)
       • 者 person

Thank you
—6birc (talk) 23:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Deletion ?

I found a reference from a well known futanari artist that defines the concept. I hope it helps preventing the deletion of the article.

There was a reason Trump's definition was not sourced before. His homepage is not "link-free" (http://trump.sakura.ne.jp/link_link.htm), and I believe this booster of pageviews might offend him. Especially without asking him. 3pyon 12:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

pornographic links

Alright, this is a serious issue: (for the tiny, tiny sliver of people who would ever see this page) Should the Futanari page contain pornographic links? I have contributed to this article because I like Futanari as much as the next pervert, (I did the 4 Jan 2005 edits) but I don't feel that Misplaced Pages, wonderful font of information that it is, should be used as a search engine for exotic porn simply because it is expansive enough to contain definitions of terms found in exotic porn. Pornographic links have been removed from this page before, but I'm not about to be the one to do it again unless I get some positive feedback on this. Comments?

Also, somebody removed the term 'hermies'; frankly I'm glad of this because the name creeps me out and I've never heard it before. Who took it out and what was your reason? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.165.46.236 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 12 February 2005.

Shut the fuck up, tenks I know you edited that here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.127.238 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 26 May 2005.

Yeah, I've got to say this article is pretty offensive and non-PC, but the link bothers me. It looks like it's an advert. What's special about that site? Why is it linked? (Do we believe readers cannot google terms on their own anymore?) Paige 00:01, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I removed the first link because that site appears to be down.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.89.223.211 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 10 September 2005.

Google's fine for alot of stuff, but googling something like Futanari ends up with a lot of useless stuff that really doesn't explain it. Maybe a panel or two from Boku on Futatsu no Tsubasa would be a good compromise? Izuko 20:28, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I would avoid links to porn. I can't say it's appropriate for wikipedia. --69.210.125.174 07:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_censored If the links are completely relevant they can be used. If they're spam/advertising, they can be removed. --Crossmr 02:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't agree with Crossmr wholly. I think blatant pornographic images are unnecessary and inappropriate for this article. The pornography article, as well as pornography in Japan, however, are examples of appropriate use of images without directly revealing inappropriate content, keeping Misplaced Pages tasteful and appropriate for use by all ages. In general I do not think the article needs any images. Kevingamer 03:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

To anyone reading this later, i really want to emphasize WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_censored. Misplaced Pages is not meant to be safe for all ages. and "tasteful" is so subjective, that its not even worth discussing. If the images helps in understanding the article, we include it. the reason we dont have more "pornographic" images on WP is due to copyright restrictions, im sure. the standards are clearly laid out for WP, which includes honest and complete reporting of notable subjects. links to internet sites with images that are not copyright violations is ok, but not too many. images here would be ok, if they could pass fair use guidelines. however, even covers of manga would not pass, unless we were writing about THAT PARTICULAR MANGA in this article. otherwise, images are ok at each linked article on a particular manga. Censoring articles on pornography is just silly, like watching a tough police procedural on network tv where they all say "heck". right. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 00:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Honestly do people really want to have sources cited on this stuff? Keep it as terrifying conjecutre so we can all fervently wish it would go away —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.72.8 (talk) 15:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Second Link

The link to 0bsidian.net does not seem appropriate. The site doesn't appear to have anything that distinguishes it from the surely thousands of futanari sites on the intarweb. Does anyone have an argument that it is somehow notable? -GregoryWeir 06:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, then. I've removed it. -GregoryWeir 03:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

You're going about this all wrong! Put the thousands of websites up here ;D

SHEMALES. SERIOUS BUSINESS. <removed link to attack site>

How-to

WP:NOT[REDACTED] is not a how-to or instruction manual. Telling people how to act around transexuals falls undeer that. I can't see any way to clean up this paragraph or turn it into something useful:

Actual transsexuals who have not had genital surgery may or may not be pleased to be referred to by these terms. The polite choice is to mirror their own word-choices--with the caveat that, like any minority, what's an insult from an outsider may be an ironic term of bonding from another insider. unless someone else can, I'll remove it in a couple of days.--Crossmr 21:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Citing actual artists?

I'm here looking up this word and I just had to comment. I think that this article should stick to defining futinari and not go into describiong specific artists. There are undoubtednly dozens and dozens of artists, each with their own styles. It's not practical to list them all, so it's probably best not to list any. --69.210.125.174 07:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, there is a full futanari wiki at the following address to utilize for that purpose: http://www.futanari.org/

Furthermore, are all of the 18+ pages of anime/manga articles going to be given this runover? I am sure not many editors are not fully competent to talk about hentai, let alone futanari and other sub-genres. --65.42.81.48 11:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to remove mentions of specific artists, but I keep being reverted under grounds of vandalism by the anon who added the material in the first place. He also doesn't seem to want to discuss things even when I have explained the deletions. Unfortunately, his IP is shared so leaving messages on his talk page is no use, so there is nothing I can do about this article now (due to 3RR). Shame. _dk 06:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I and some others have taken some action. View discussion here, or here. 3pyon 20:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Psuedo-Shock image

Is the image really nessisary? It is quite a shock, even to us 'in the know'. If you really need an image, I'm sure ones can be found that are at least a notch lower.--80.235.59.31 17:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Technically it violates the license it was uploaded under. I don't see this image being used to:

   * the issue of the comic book in question;
   * the periodical comic book series of which this issue is a part; or
   * the copyrighted comic book character(s) or group(s) on the cover of the issue in question;

so it probably should be considered for deletion. --Crossmr 17:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Too many pics

I don't think it's necessary to have three pics in this article, there are more pics than text, only one would be Ok. --Black Omnimon 22:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

links etc.

i think the article should include links, so people can "get a taste" of futanari. Maybe something along the lines of http://futanariproject.pbwiki.com/translated which contains english mangas. but, yeah, whatever, im not trying to advertise or anything, it's just really hard to get a safe futanari site, you know? Good article, btw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.241.115 (talk) 13:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

newhalf

You say that 'newhalf' specifically refers to people with women's bodies but only male genetalia. I watched an anime recently called "Okane ga Nai" which included a 'newhalf' character that was definitely male. The subbers defined 'newhalf' as a pre-op or non-op transexual, meaning men who live as women but have not had their bodies surgically altered. Perhaps this term needs more research?

Redqueen76 (talk) 00:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No it doesn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.101.113 (talk) 04:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Funtanari pic I did

I did a picture on MS Paint that shows an example of Futanari, but I don't know how to upload images. -_- Superjustinbros. (talk) 00:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Small source

For interpretation of "dickgirls", can be found here. Kellen 19:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Original version here Kellen 19:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Citation for origin of term:

First, a component of the term, futanari, implies that this understanding of a hermaphrodite is strongly anchored to the dualistic notion of sex. Futa means the number 2, and nari refers to either a “figure” or a state of “becoming.” ... futanari indicates androgynous ... futanari were included in Yamai no S¯oshi ... Differently put, in this paradigm futanari falls into the category of disease, along with anal fistulas, pyorrhea, lice, and so forth

From: Morinaga, Maki (2002). "The Gender of Onnagata As the Imitating Imitated: Its Historicity, Performativity, and Involvement in the Circulation of Femininity". Positions: East Asia Cultures Critique. 10 (2): 254. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

Kellen 21:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Some random tidbits for sources

Male Colors: The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan
Gary P. Leupp
University of California Press, 1997
ISBN 0520209001
p. 174: Discussion of sexual appeal of androgyny in Tokugawa period, mentions the word futanari (which he translates as "dual form") as a contemporary term for androgyny, and gives a use from c.1644 referring to an onnagata (female-role actor).

Manga: the complete guide
Jason Thompson
Ballantine Books/Del Rey, 2007
ISBN 0345485904
The Introduction to the "Adult Manga" section, written by someone other than JT (don't remember offhand who) discusses futanari (glossed as 'hermaphrodites, "she-males"') as a 1990's ero-manga trend.

Men and masculinities in contemporary Japan: dislocating the salaryman doxa
Edited by James E. Roberson and Nobue Suzuki
Routledge, 2003
ISBN 0415244463
Article p20-36 "What masculinity?: Transgender practices among Japanes "men"", by Wim Lunsing
Briefly discusses use of "nyūhāfu" in 1980s-90s Japan as a term referring to transgendered or transexual men, as well as an "occupational category" (transgendered male entertainers, particularly those that work in clubs catering to straight people), suggests a recent, more specific usage to mean men who have had hormone therapy and/or breast implants but have not undergone full sex-reassignment therapy (p.27: "New half can be equated to what in Western contexts may be called 'chicks with dicks' or 'she-males', i.e. men with breasts acquired through surgery and/or the use of oestrogen."), and mentions that it is typically considered an offensive term but is also used as a self-descriptor by persons who feel "halfway between men and women".

Takarazuka: sexual politics and popular culture in modern Japan
Jennifer Ellen Robertson
University of California Press, 1998
ISBN 0520211510
pg.201-205 Links pornographic and non-pornographic manga representations of "New Half" (here used to describe both transgendered individuals as well as "she-male" manga characters) to lolicon, in that they are often shown as cross-dressing in lolita-style clothing and are often explicitly presented as being young/adolescent/not-adult. Paraphrases some previously-published views from Japanese scholars on the appeal of "New Half" to heterosexual men: "an opportunity "to possess a woman completely"; more specifically to recover their lost femininity" (Watanabe Tsuneo); or an expression of sexuality while repressing or delaying adulthood (which entails becoming "an unambiguously heterosexual male") (Ueno Chizuko).

- JRBrown (talk) 18:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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