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:However, the ''effect'' of your multiple accounts had some similarities to that of a sockuppet, in that it made it harder for other editors to work collaboratively with you. :However, the ''effect'' of your multiple accounts had some similarities to that of a sockuppet, in that it made it harder for other editors to work collaboratively with you.
:One possible unintended effect of closing the other two accounts is that your watchlist may be split over the other accounts. If that is a concern, then I am happy to help you to merge the three watchlists. --] <small>] • (])</small> 12:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC) :One possible unintended effect of closing the other two accounts is that your watchlist may be split over the other accounts. If that is a concern, then I am happy to help you to merge the three watchlists. --] <small>] • (])</small> 12:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Take the example of http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Thomas_Fanshawe&action=history where you used all three accounts to edit the same article. How is anyone tracking your contribs supposed to be able to follow what editing you are doing you use any one of 3 IDs to edit the same page, on one occasion on 45 minutes apart? --] <small>] • (])</small> 12:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:I'm thinking we might want to bring this to a wider audience. Is this editor's use of multiple accounts as basically an organizational tool in keeping with ]? Is there real disruption? Is the Thomas Fanshaw article situation -- all three accounts on the same article -- anomalous or usual? --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 15:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::I see nothing disruptive about the accounts, they are declared and sufficiently similar in name so as to make confusion extremely unlikely. The blocks need to be taken together with BHG's multiple prodding and AfD noms of Boleyn's contributions, as well as her personal attacks on Boleyn in edit summaries etc. ] (]) 15:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree, there is no deliberate disruption, and as far as I can see no unintended disruption either, just a fear that this might confuse somebody. I will be lifting the blocks. If anyone feels there is real disruption occurring here I suggest they make their case at ]. ] (]) 15:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Thomas_Fanshawe&action=history - an editor creates an article under one ID, and edits it under two other IDs and you see no disruptive effect? Have you tried tracking the edits of a multiple-account editor like this, or tried to catch their attention when their talk is not the talk page of the account under which they edit? Anyway, looks like this will need a trip to ANI or RFCU or some such place. --] <small>] • (])</small> 16:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


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Either way, you seem to be relying on other editors to clean up the mess. :( --] <small>] • (])</small> 12:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC) Either way, you seem to be relying on other editors to clean up the mess. :( --] <small>] • (])</small> 12:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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== James Christopher Flynn ==
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You re-created the article on ], and this time you did add a few references. But despite me pointing out to you above that he is Irish, you the article with the untruth that he was "British". The man was an Irish nationalist, for goodness sake: calling him "British" is like calling Ronald Reagan a communist.
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What are you playing at? You seem determined to create articles, but you still seem unwilling to make basic efforts to try create even a halfway decent stub. I'd be happy to help you if you want help, but you seem to be unconcerned to get anything right, and right now your editing is just plain disruptive. --] <small>] • (])</small> 10:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

This is a wholly unnecessary response to one error. You pointed out, I believe, that he was 'both a British politician and Irish nationalist' or words to that effect. Describing him as a British politician is not 'playing at' anything. If you know more about the topic, please edit the article and wp will benefit from that. As for seeming 'unwilling to make basic efforts to create even a halfway decent stub', I have created articles on notable people, which on the whole have quickly developed into reasonable articles - which is an asset to Misplaced Pages. When you brought up your concerns about these articles, I expanded and referenced them. That's not being disruptive. And is it so that they don't come up as redlinks on disambiguation pages, that is often where I first noticed that they lacked an article and so created one. I don't see that as a bad thing. I really feel that as this is the second occasion in which you've sent me reams of rude messages and written nasty comments about me in edit summaries and AfDs, that this is a poor use of your time and that it is bullying; I am trying not to respond angrily to it. I hope you decide to stop. ] (]) 23:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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Boleyn is away on vacation and may not respond swiftly to queries.

User:Boleyn is the same editor as User:Boleyn2 and User:Boleyn3. The sole purpose of having the 3 accounts is to increase my watchlist.

/Archive 1 /Archive 2 /Archive 3 /Archive 4 /Archive 5 /Archive 6 /Archive 7 /Archive 8

This editor is a
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The Original Barnstar
Just wanted to show my support for your tireless contributions to hndis-cleanup, for both you and your alter-ego. The recent criticism is completely unjustified, I have always found your edits to follow WP:MOSDAB scrupulously. Editorial differences will always occur but this should never have gone beyond the pages concerned or your talk page. Keep up the good work! Tassedethe (talk) 08:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar
For just being you day after day Happydude 69ya (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Thanks for all your help at Misplaced Pages:Suggestions for name disambiguation! Those dab pages may Misplaced Pages more useful and accessible for everyone, and your work is appreciated. – Quadell 14:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
We did it!

Thanks so much for your help finishing off the missing disambiguation links. You made it happen! – Quadell 14:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Boleyn, you are a one-woman disambiguating machine! Thanks for your continuing remarkable effort. – Quadell 00:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


Barnstar

The Disambiguation Barnstar
For all your hard work cleaning up disambiguation pages, and consistently tagging worthless pages for removal, I hereby award you this barnstar! Keep up the good work! --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Robert Smith

Please stop removing Robert Melville Smith from Robert Smith. Just because the page was deleted at some point in the past does not mean it should be removed. It fits the other criteria for inclusion and he is a notable enough person to warrant an article. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  ¢ 22:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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pdiff

Hi Boleyn, could you explain why pdiff needs to be cleaned up? It seems to be a fine disambig page for a few topics. Cheers, — sligocki (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I've just responded in detail on pdiff's Talk pg, there's a few ways it doesn't meet the guidelines. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

John Gascoigne

Hi, Your man here is not the same one who was redlinked in George Gascoigne! (Wrong century). Could you sort them out? Thanks. PamD (talk) 12:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Earl of Surrey

Hi - was it an oversight to delete a batch of interwiki links from this article? I think so, but I wanted to check with you. Cheers -- BPMullins | Talk 23:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Sorry, yes, that was just a mistake. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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I created this as a redirect to a disambiguation page, so I have nothing to do with it now being an article, that was created by an anon. I agree with your nomination of it, although I think it may be best to revert the article and make it a redirect again. Best wishes, Boleyn3 (talk) 08:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about that. I over-twinkled....Chris (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Luther Johnson

I think things got confused when I moved Luther Johnson to Luther Alexander Johnson. I have no problem with your recent edit. It's just been a strange mix-up. If that page serves no purpose, it probably should be deleted. Maile66 (talk) 19:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

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Sub-stubs

Creating new articles is a great thing, and they can start off as a stub. But a well-formed stub article some references or external links, and some attempt at appropriate categorisation.

It seems that you have been creating a lot of sub-stub articles on British politicians which say nothing at all about them except what is already available in lists, and in most cases even less information than is in those lists.

Here are some examples from May 2010:

I think that all of these articles are either on British nobleman or British Members of Parliament, who are inherently notable (see WP:POLITICIAN) ... but the fact that a topic is notable does NOT make it useful to create one-line sub-stub articles. Those just waste the time of readers, who would be better off at the constituency article, which provides more info on each individual and some context.

To take just one fairly typical example, the article Robert Vaughan Gower. Look at the state of it after your last edit:

  1. No mention of when he was MP for those constituencies
  2. No mention of what party he represented
  3. No categories other than those applied by a stub tag
  4. No dates of birth or death

Items 1 and 2 are all in the constituency article to which you linked, and were there when you created the aricle (see permalink). Why not include them?

Finding a few appropriate categories would not take long, and would help other editors to find these articles and expand them.

But the lack of sources really surprises me. If you had a source,, why not mention it in the article? ... and if you didn't have a source, why create the articles? It looks like you were relying on links in wikipedia articles, but wikipedia is not a reliable source.

When I came across this, I thought that it was done in a burst of editing last month, so I PRODded the articles where I can see no possibility of expansion, and bookmarked the rest to expand myself (I have some good sources on UK MPs).

But now I see that you are still creating unreferenced sub-stubs, such as Sir William Thomas, 1st Baronet. Please stop this: verifiability is one of the 5 pillars of wikipedia, and unreferenced sub-stubs don't meet the inclusion criteria ... and one-line articles are not .

You clearly have an interest in historical biographies, so why not find some reliable sources and create articles which are properly referenced and say more about the person than the bare fact that they existed? If you take a bit of time to create well-formed articles, even if they are stubs, you'll find that that they are are helpful to readers and editors, and provide a basis for further expansion. That does take more time than pasting in one line of text and pressing the save button, but while you have done a lot of quantity, a bit more quality really is needed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

And here is another recent bad one, created yesterday: James Christopher Flynn. Unsourced, uncategorised, with less info than is available in the constituency article ... and even though the article contains only 17 words, one of the two sentences is simply wrong: Flynn was NOT a "British" politician -- he was an Irish Nationalist.
Please stop this. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
And two more pointless sub-stubs: Sir Robert William Newman, 1st Baronet and Robert Newman, 1st Baron Mamhead. Both are unsourced, uncategorised, one-liners. Were they were created to allow you to get rid of the redlinks in the disambiguation page at Robert Newman, as you did in this edit???? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
James Christopher Flynn was a member of the British parliament when all of Ireland was British, so he was both a British politician and an Irish nationalist.--Charles (talk) 09:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Please check your facts. Flynn was never a member of a "British parliament". He was a member of the Parliament of a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the country which was created by the Act of Union 1800. The 3rd Article of the Act of Union says That it be the third article of union, that the said united kingdom be represented in one and the same parliament, to be stiled “The parliament of the united kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”.. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion

Boleyn, I am sorry that you have ignored my efforts to discuss the problems with your editing, and have preferred the disruptive approach of making no effort whatsoever to improve these unsourced, uncategorised, one-line articles until they were taken to AFD. That is a waste of the time and energy of other editors, and I won't bother doing it again.

Having re-checked the speedy deletion criteria, I see that WP:CSD#A10 permits the speedy deletion of articles which simply duplicate existing content, and that's exactly what your sub-stubs do. So in future, I will delete them on sight per WP:CSD#A10 ... and I probably won't bother trying to discuss it with you, since you don't respond. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It is three hours since your first message (which I didn't see straight away, as I wasn't online), so I don't think it's far to say I don't respond to messages. I usually also try to think things through from the other person's viewpoint as well before responding, so I rarely fire back a response in seconds. These entries meet WP:POLITICIAN and are therefore notable. It doesn't seem like the best use of your time to nominate these for deletion, when they can be expanded. All have multiple mentions on a Google search. I have expanded all the articles nominated for AfD. Without expert input, they will remain stubs, but they no longer simply duplicate information elsewhere on WP. Best wishes, Boleyn3 (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
After you saw my message, you had plenty of time to do lots of editing, log in and out of your various accounts at least four times, remove all the PRODs, post at AFD, and edit the articles ... and delete the reminder notices I posted to your other talk page. If you wanted time to think, you could simply have posted "I'm thinking about it" and stayed off that sort of editing until you'd finished thinking .... but instead you ignored what I had written and proceeded as before.
Anyway, I'll repeat what I said above: if I find any further sub-stubs which simply duplicate list entries, I will delete them on sight per WP:CSD#A10. That applies to nearly all of the articles listed above.
Of course, I will not delete a genuine stub article. But the likes of this just says less than the of a list-entry in the constituency article, and any more rubbish like that will be speedily-deleted without warning, and probably without notification. I see no evidence that you did any research or any effort to look for sources for any of these articles until I AFDed a few. You have been busy creating articles with so little care or thought that you couldn't be arsed to even pipe a link to hide a disambiguator, or add any categories or make any effort to look for sources; it seem that you simply cop-pasted from disambiguation pages and clicked save. If that's all the effort you put in, then don't expect these additions to your articles I created list to stay ... because they are not articles. Speedy deletion takes very little of my time: almost as little as it took you to splat-paste the text used to create these useless one-liners!
Oh, and my tone probably sounds uncivil. That's because after a few hours of trying to open a discussion with you while you proceeded to ignore me, I'm rather fed up with your rudeness. I don't know whether you are trying to game the system or what exactly you are trying to achieve, but it's very tedious to encounter your trademark combination of ignore-requests-to-talk-and-keeping-on-doing-what-the-other-person-objects-to ... but I got a solution now. It's not at all the sort of solution I'd like, but since you either unable or unwilling to try to understand that this is not an article, speedy deletion-on-sight is the lesat-worst option. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

PS I see that you posted here as Boleyn3 (talk · contribs). That's the 3rd account you have used this morning, and at least the 5th time you have logged out of one ID and logged in as another. This random switching of accounts is disruptive. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I really don't feel that it's me who is guilty of rudeness. After receiving your message, I did not spend my time continuing to create short articles, I went back to them and made efforts to reference and improve them. As for editing from different accounts, every morning I log in and check my watchlists, making edits where I think they are needed. Once I saw that you had nominated some articles for deletion, I of course checked my watchlists again. My sole aims are to create articles on notable people and to edit existing pages so they fit the guidelines and are easy to get information from. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 10:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

If you want to create articles, then create articles -- not pointless splat-pasted one-line factoids with no categories and no sources.
And if you don't think it's rude to studiously ignore requests to discuss a problem, then I can't explain that to you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Multiple accounts

As far as I can see, you use of multiple accounts does not conform to the policy at WP:MULTIPLE. You are using different accounts to edit the same set of articles, and are apparently switching between them at random.

I have therefore blocked User:Boleyn2 and User:Boleyn3. You are of course free to continue editing under your main account, User:Boleyn. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

This has been investigated twice before (details on my Talk page archives 5 and 8) and found not to be the case. I have not deliberately edited articles with different log-ins, because when I make this mistake it mucks up my watchlist, as well as having a slight chance of confusing others. I have been very clear on my user page and my Talk page that I am one person and that it also reflected in the almost identical usernames; I don't feel there's a significant chance of anyone being confused. It seems to me extremely unfair to block here. Boleyn (talk) 12:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

You have indeed been quite open about the existence of the other accounts, so I make no suggestion that there was any attempt at troublesome sockpuppetry, and I'm happy to accept that you used the difft accounts in transparent good faith. That's why your main account is not blocked, as it woulkd be for a sockpuppeteer: you can still edit, without restrictions.
However, the effect of your multiple accounts had some similarities to that of a sockuppet, in that it made it harder for other editors to work collaboratively with you.
One possible unintended effect of closing the other two accounts is that your watchlist may be split over the other accounts. If that is a concern, then I am happy to help you to merge the three watchlists. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

James Christopher Flynn again

You deleted my earlier message about James Christopher Flynn MP, in which I noted that you had re-created the article and repeated the false assertion that he was British, despite that error having been pointed out to you. You deleted that message, describing it as "character assassination".

Having corrected the mis-labelling of Flynn as British, I then checked the other facts against my reference books .... and found that the article as you left it was wrong on the other major point: you wrote that he was MP for West Cork, whereas he was actually MP for North Cork. That didn't require specialist sources; it's clearly written in the two references you cited: , .

I have now corrected and expanded the article ... and I'm wondering which was worse: you creating pointless, unreferenced, one-line, sub-stub articles, or you creating a referenced stub where there two major facts were both wrong and contradicted by the references you supplied?

Either way, you seem to be relying on other editors to clean up the mess. :( --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Restored earlier message from Brownhairedgirl:


James Christopher Flynn

- - Just what on earth are you doing?

- - You re-created the article on James Christopher Flynn, and this time you did add a few references. But despite me pointing out to you above that he is Irish, you re-created the article with the untruth that he was "British". The man was an Irish nationalist, for goodness sake: calling him "British" is like calling Ronald Reagan a communist.

- - What are you playing at? You seem determined to create articles, but you still seem unwilling to make basic efforts to try create even a halfway decent stub. I'd be happy to help you if you want help, but you seem to be unconcerned to get anything right, and right now your editing is just plain disruptive. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

This is a wholly unnecessary response to one error. You pointed out, I believe, that he was 'both a British politician and Irish nationalist' or words to that effect. Describing him as a British politician is not 'playing at' anything. If you know more about the topic, please edit the article and wp will benefit from that. As for seeming 'unwilling to make basic efforts to create even a halfway decent stub', I have created articles on notable people, which on the whole have quickly developed into reasonable articles - which is an asset to Misplaced Pages. When you brought up your concerns about these articles, I expanded and referenced them. That's not being disruptive. And is it so that they don't come up as redlinks on disambiguation pages, that is often where I first noticed that they lacked an article and so created one. I don't see that as a bad thing. I really feel that as this is the second occasion in which you've sent me reams of rude messages and written nasty comments about me in edit summaries and AfDs, that this is a poor use of your time and that it is bullying; I am trying not to respond angrily to it. I hope you decide to stop. Boleyn (talk) 23:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)