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Καληνύχτα, hi! Would you be so kind as to give us support!

Hello, sorry my knowledge of Greek is really limited. I hope you are doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I have just read your profile and you seem a very learned person and interested in diverse languages and cultures so maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm part of an association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this has not been approved up to this moment because it does not belong to one state. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Thanks again/σας ευχαριστώ, wishing you a great summer, take care! Capsot (talk) 23:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Seeking feedback on a possible future RfA bid (Richwales)

Hi. I'm considering a possible future "request for adminship" (RfA) bid. I've written up some draft Q&A material (see here), and if you would be willing to have a look at it, I'd be interested in any feedback you might want to provide. Since you and I have encountered one another while discussing edits to the Northern Cyprus page, I thought you might logically be someone who could offer insights to my Misplaced Pages style and behaviour that would be relevant to an adminship bid. I briefly mentioned the Northern Cyprus article in my Q&A, but if you think I should say more — or if there are other questions you think I ought to address — I would welcome your input. Thanks. Richwales (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

epirus

hi athenean this is something i also recommended to alex since its in greek..it has imo some relevant information to the 'debate' both about the definition(s) of epirus and about the population http://helios-eie.ekt.gr/EIE/handle/10442/8080 take a look sometime also please think about leaving both 'greeks were' and 'albanians were' versions out if you read the relevant parts in the source i linked i think you will be convinced anyway87.202.33.34 (talk) 02:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

BTW to give you a headstart look at his rough map on page 374 (in reality there were also some small greekspeaking -eg parga, himare, narte...- and albanian speaking exceptions in the areas of contiguous speech as he writes) on the borders of greek and albanian speech (also religion and the vlach areas)..though it has to be said that ultimately the problem of speech concerns nationalism little since many albanianspeaking christians became part of the greek nation even in epirus but not the other way (for wellknown historical reasons..greek education, early emergence of greek nationalism, the division of albanian speakers in two religions, four 'denominations' etc)87.202.33.34 (talk) 02:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Kastoria

Again, my apologies for the disruption at AE. Could you please my response here?--_Sulmues 22:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Guildenrich

It seems he never stops to be disruptive even unlogged he creates the same mess ].Alexikoua (talk) 22:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:LAME

Is this the very definition of WP:LAME? kedadial 12:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Nope, because I merely added a tag that I thought was appropriate. This on the other hand, is utterly lame, because you actually edited only and only so as to make sure the WP:SQ tag is always first. Now that's what I call lame. What is it with some people and wikiproject tags anyway? Cheers, Athenean (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 01:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

Moderation required at Moses article

Not a regular user in Misplaced Pages, but astonished to see there is no one moderating the Moses page. Hadn't looked at the article for a month, and the original research content that was removed as per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Moses as symbol in American history was delete, not merge..... the user Wikiwatcher1 put back in! Does no one mod these pages? I tried to delete the said removed material but the Cluebot auto reverted (obviously when a clunk of material is removed the bot can go faulty)... a more established user who knows how to overcome the fault with the automatic bot can removed the previously removed content. I noted you have frequented the article, so i brought it to your attention. Thanks.AussieGreen&Gold (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Attempt to bypass AfD deleted, issue raised at WP:ANI. Dougweller (talk) 13:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Arvanites-self-identification

Of course a large number of Arvanites self-identify as Greeks but not all and there is no way to prove that every single Arvanite does self-identify as Greek.--— ZjarriRrethues —  09:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Off-wiki activity by Sulmues

I want just to inform you that a very very weird pattern was performed by Sulmues on talk:Gjin Boua Shpata. Although he admitted that he found reasonable my edit on the Shpata family section after 6 days of absence 'someone' conveiced him (obviously off-wiki) to follow the extreme national line.Alexikoua (talk) 05:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

RfC

I have added a Outside view by Tenmei at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor. I would very much appreciate your impression, especially

(a) if you can suggest a way to improve the clarity of the writing and/or

(b) if you construe any part of the diff as insufficiently moderate and forward-looking.

As you will guess, I invested quite a bit of time in drafting this; and I want to encourage you to contact me by e-mail with any constructive comments and criticism. --Tenmei (talk) 19:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I will look into it a bit deeper, but on first glance, your post is somewhat unclear. I'm not sure what you are trying to say in some parts. More later. Athenean (talk) 21:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for this comment. Other have also explained that my prose is unclear. Your writing is not unclear.

My problem isn't solely to do with my writing skills, but also to do with what I was trying to achieve. My ability to be helpful in this context is limited. Please give me some time to think about this some more. --Tenmei (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Restatement. Please join me in encouraging Nev1 to move what he wrote at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor#Criticism interpreted as attack. My guess is that Nev1's insights are likely to be undervalued as part of a talk page thread.

Nev1's step-by-step approach helped me to clarify my understanding of the nested problem set. The sentences are demonstrably constructive, helpful, and plain. The paragraphs illustrate effective writing. I would like to see this section's text re-positioned on the main page at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor#Statement of the dispute/View by certifier Nev1. This will give you and others the opportunity to join me in endorsing the problem-solving approach and conclusions.

Significantly, you will want to read the response drafted by Teeninvestor. The reaction shows that Teeninvestor also construes these words as a constructive investment of time and thought. Hopefully, the structure of this diff can be the catalyst for a few more steps in a productive process.

I wonder if Nev1's reasoning needs to be highlighted as a kind of template for use in other difficult contexts? --Tenmei (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing

This edit by Gun Powder Ma here at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor caused me to draft this explanation. The edit was quickly undone by Gun Powder Ma here; but it may be productive to seize this trivial edit as an opportunity to underscore what I mean in using this curious phrase.

I discovered these words on the userpage of Kraftlos; and I was surprised that it made sense to me. Conventionally, this form of word play escapes my grasp. I don't know whether Kraftlos is the originator or whether it is copied from an unattributed source.

My guess is that this is a peculiarly American formulation which parodies the words of Yogi Berra? Berra is well known for his pithy comments and witticisms which are called "Yogiisms." Yogiisms very often take the form of either an apparently obvious tautology, or a paradoxical contradiction.

Teeninvestor has explained that he is an American, the son of emigrants who came to the United States when he was six years old. Arguably, Teeninvestor will find value in this semi-Yogiism. Perhaps the point will be immediately accessible in ways that a carefully-composed, logical exposition fails to achieve? Who can say? In this RfC context, I interpret the phrase to mean that

In other words, it is important to avert a possibility that the RfC may become side-tracked or distracted by tangential issues. I hoped that this phrase would resonate in some way for Teeninvestor. More broadly, I hoped that it would contribute to prospects of a constructive outcome.

Does this help explain what I meant and what I intended? If not, please allow me to try to explain again using different words.

Do you think this phrase helps to focus attention, or is it counterproductive?

Does this phrase help or hinder the "desired outcome"? --Tenmei (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. No, I don't think the phrase is helpful. It's not really meant to be taken seriously, and will draw attention to itself rather the subject of the RfC/U. Hope that helps. Athenean (talk) 17:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Your comment was insightful.

I accept your good judgment; and I did strike out the sentence here --Tenmei (talk) 02:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment

An article that you have been involved in editing, Astronomy in medieval Islam has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments here . If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.

Turkish "mass landing of troops"

Hi

Just to let you know that I am unable to comment as I am neutral. It is not my intention to cause conflict but have made the RfC as another editor asked who could decide. I felt that an RfC would be best rather than to just keep going in circles on this matter as it seems happens every year or so.

Apologies as I know we have discussed this before :¬)

Chaosdruid (talk) 22:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Paleo-Balkan

The source refers to the Illyrians and the Thracians which were the northern Paleo-Balkan tribes in constrast to the Greeks that were the southern ones.--— ZjarriRrethues —  18:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Like you said in one of your edit summaries, "stick to what the sources say please". Athenean (talk) 18:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

An explanation is needed in this case because the reader can't know to what the source refers so please don't insist on such an issue.--— ZjarriRrethues —  18:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

The only problem with that is that by the 7th century BC, the various Paleo-Balkan tribes had already differentiated into Hellenes, Illyrians, Thracians, etc... Paleo-Balkan is a very vague term that should be used with care, not bandied about as a way of shouting "not Greek". Athenean (talk) 18:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Athenean Paleo-Balkan doesn't mean that they once were the same tribe but they were the tribes that inhabited the Balkans in antiquity, so again you're making a terminology mistake. The northern ones were the Illyrians and the Thracians, while the southern the Greeks.--— ZjarriRrethues —  19:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Not making any mistake, Paleo-Balkan is a very vague term that is used to loosely group tribes that had little in common. I personally think it should be used with care, no bandied about whenever we want to "prove" that something is not Greek. Athenean (talk) 19:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Well the source doesn't refer to Greek tribes but to non-Greek ones specifically Illyrian and Thracian ones . Illyrian and Thracian artifacts are enlisted and then the source says:Indeed it was a centre for northern tribes etc.--— ZjarriRrethues —  19:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

"Paleo Balkan" is strictly a linguistic term, to denote languages that were spoken in a specific area whose relationship to each other is unknown. It should only be used in a linguistic context. The way I see it, you have already added a sentence about Illyrian artifacts in 700-600 BC, so the second sentence is completely redundant. Shall we add a third one too? I left it there as a compromise. Don't push it. Athenean (talk) 19:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Those two sentences are completely unrelated:the first one lists Illyrian artifacts while the second refers to the oracle's importance for northern and southern Paleo-Balkan people. Compromise is a result of dispute resolution not decisions to remove sourced content.--— ZjarriRrethues —  19:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

They are in fact identical in spirit to anyone who knows a little about ancient religions. In those days, people left artifacts at places they considered holy. People didn't go to a holy place without leaving anything, nor did they leave votive artifacts in places that they didn't consider holy. Saying "place Y was holy to X" and "X left votive artifacts at Y" is really the same thing. Also note that the chronology is identical (700-600BC). I propose only one be kept, preferably the first. Athenean (talk) 19:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)You're making OR deductions that aren't related any policy so I'll ask from someone else to intervene:FutureP.--— ZjarriRrethues —  20:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC

Apology

I admit I was too hasty in introducing this quote. I thought as the quote related to Chinese superiority in methods of weapon production, it was not involved with the earlier quote about technology. Now that I have thought about it, it seems too similar ot the previous quote. I apologize for any mishaps this could have caused. I promise not to make another edit like this without prior discussion again.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

IRC cloak

Hi, I see that you have requested an IRC cloak. However, we cannot proceed with the request if you don't register your nickname on IRC. For instructions on how to do that, please type /msg nickserv help register. Afterwards, you need to send a memo to finalize the process, by typing /msg memoserv send wmfgc IRC cloak request. Thanks. --Filip (§) 21:30, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. Or at least I think so. Athenean (talk) 00:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

NGC policy regarding modern placenams

What is your opinion on Irakleia, Serres or Amaxades? I usually do not occupy myself with modern articles, I just happened upon a user from Bulgaria who is adding Bulgarian untransliterated placenames into (usually) Greek articles according to NGC. I won't really pursue this issue but I started a discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28geographic_names%29 to understand how this policy is to be interpreted. GK (talk) 13:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Inc.

Congratulation on this perfect and detailed spi case. I bet all the administrators that had to deal with the lunacy of Sarandioti@socks will realize that we have his improved version in full motion now, per Fut's opinion. When this nationalistic madness will stop we have some real work to do: many wannabe ga's are waiting...Alexikoua (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

There is an increased disruptive ip activity on various articles. Have a look on: ]]]. Seems they have attacked at the same time a variety of Albanian related articles. The 2 of them are possibly Guildenrich&LcelikuAlexikoua (talk) 15:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Very possible, though I don't think the level of disruption is sufficiently severe that we need to notify the authorities. Athenean (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Ping

I have sent you an e-mail. --Tenmei (talk) 02:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Reliable or not: Robert K. G. Temple on Chinese and world history

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion on Temple's reliability here. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 08:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I expect an apology

For calling me or my edits "inane" multiple times. I will attribute this to your poor knowledge of English, but see this: you may know that you have called me an idiot several times now your last one being this. If you don't apologize within two hours of your next edit, I will take that as the n-th affront and will report you to an admin noticeboard. Sulmues  15:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems to me like you're just angry that you got your rollback taken away. That's what happens when you misuse tools given to you by the community. My knowledge of English is far, far superior to yours by the way, and I have known full well what "inane" means all this while. Glad you finally figured it out. Many, far too many of your edits are indeed inane, the perfect example being this , not to mention stuff like this . When you don't have any idea what you're doing, and are editing subjects you know very little about, that's what happens. I haven't called you inane, but I stand by this characterization of your edits. Do what you need to do, but be warned that threats like the one you are making above are not looked upon kindly upon either by myself or the community. Now, stay off my talkpage, and if you come here and issue any more ultimatums like that it will be WP:AE for you. Clear? Athenean (talk) 15:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll email you if you want me off the talk page. --Sulmues 02:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

RfC Teeninvestor

Please comment on what I have posted here. --Tenmei (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Dance of Zalongo

Have a look at the article about dance of Zalongo. Read the talk page. Your help and advise is needed.Seleukosa (talk) 23:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Science in the Middle Ages

Hello. You are invited to take part in the discussion on Science in the Middle Ages. The question is should we keep or remove the section on the Islamic world. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 08:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

You are invited to participate in the vote at Talk:Science in the Middle Ages#Ballot box as an attempt to establish a consensus. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

RfC

Guildenrich & socks

It seems now more than clear that this guy will never give up. Socks, socks and again socks. I plan to open an spi since I have time, but every single edit makes the situation more than clear (wp:rfcs was Guildenrich's last resort after unsucessfull and extreme disruption attempts, like in Moscopole).Alexikoua (talk) 10:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Palasë

Thanks, If you have any further info I'll add your name to the DYK attribution. Dr. Blofeld 19:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

greek cities - alternative names in the lead

Hello Athenean (geia sou),

I saw this edit and I invite you to participate in the discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Greece#edit-war_about_foreign_names_in_the_lead_of_Greek_cities..

Ggia (talk) 22:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Communication

So how do you want me to let you know that I need an answer? --Sulmues 21:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I keep all these articles watchlisted, and I answer if or when I feel like it. There is no need to spam my talkpage with annoying notices. Athenean (talk) 21:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well if you watchlist every single article where you work, I won't bother you. --Sulmues 22:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hello Athenean, i'm just letting you know that I've had complaints about some of your recent edits, particularly . Your editing is getting too aggressive again. Please, consider being more careful about how you say things, and you might want to disengage for a while. If things continue as they are, or get worse, then I may have to step in again. The Wordsmith 22:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There's no need to not be polite and use polite wording even if you strongly disagree with someone.--— ZjarriRrethues —  22:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Obviously the complains came from Zjarri's irc typical activity (again) of misinformation, since he is the one the launches endless accusations without even reading the article ]] Alexikoua (talk) 22:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I gave the links of Athenean's edits and I'm not making accusations.--— ZjarriRrethues —  23:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I received a complaint and I looked into it. This isn't the only complaint I have had about your edits, nor have they all come from this particular user. Please, Athenean, ease up on the accusations. I don't want to have to resort to sanctions, i'm sure we can all work it out. The Wordsmith 01:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppets Inc.

Too bad Guildenrich's talkpage was deleted, due to data storage problems. I remember that Guilderich&socks communicated off wiki (via email) with Sarandioti&socks. Just recalled that Kreshnik (Sarandioti's sock) asked Guildenrich to activate his e-mail function.

So, do not wonder if their present reincarnations co-operate in a variety of articles in the near future.Alexikoua (talk) 10:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Arvanites

Just because I read it I intervened in that article.

• The first paragraph deals with how they call themselves (partly Albanians, partly not):

Arvanites are those whose mother tongue is Arvanitika (name in Greek - Áñâáíßôåò)/ Arberichte (name in their language); most linguists use the word Albanian for that language, but the community loathes its use, and it is therefore advisable that this sensitivity be taken into consideration unless researchers and/or human and minority rights activists do not mind alienating the very community they are studying. Likewise, they call themselves Arvanites (in Greek) and Arberor (in their language); but in Northwestern Greece, in their language, they use the term Shqiptar (the same used by Albanians of Albania), a term strongly disliked by the other Arvanites, who also resent being called Albanians.

• The last four paragraphs explain the reasons for such assimilation(even the title of those paragraphs is Current situation of the community and the language):

"the loss of the language was more pronounced in the villages close to Athens than elsewhere;....they have been led by the dominant unilingual Greek culture to -usually sincerely- believe that these languages are deficient, lack proper grammatical structure, have a poor vocabulary ....Since the 1980s, some efforts to preserve Arvanite culture have been made....Overall, though, this movement is weaker than similar ones among Vlachs and Macedonians (and certainly among officially recognized Turks)....One reason for such a slow movement is the apparent hostility of the Greek state to such ‘revivals’ among Arvanites.....Likewise, Arvanitika has never been included in the educational curricula of the modern Greek state. On the contrary, its use has been strongly discouraged at schools (and in the army) through physical punishment, humiliation, or, in recent years, simple incitation of the Arvanitika users (Williams, 1992:86; Trudgill, 1983:130-1). Such attitudes have led many Arvanite (as well as Vlach, and Macedonian) parents to discourage their children from learning their mother tongue so as to avoid similar discrimination and suffering (Trudgill, 1983:130)."

Do the math yourself. It doesn't look good for a supposed democratic country.

P.S. The intellectually honest thing would be to excuse yourself. Aigest (talk) 15:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I don't see the word partly in the text you added which can be interpreted as a misuse of a reference. Furthermore you went outside of the context of the entire reference. If you would take the care to read the entire text of report, if you really wanted that text (resent being called "Albanians") to be in the article you should have put the text "As a result of the Greek state pressure and policy" (the paragraphs in the end). For the sake of not creating another nationalistic edit war, I was refrained of entering that text, instead I choose only to remove your 'partly' wrong addition (although a thorough explanation would have deserved a topic in the article). You should have the honesty to admit that I was right in my choice. Aigest (talk) 17:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for saying yes. The source doesn't say that "state pressure" is the direct cause of the fact that Arvanites resent being called "Albanian". It doesn't connect the two. That is your own OR conclusion. Have you considered that there may be other reasons that they resent being called "Albanian"? For example, that they fought in the Greek War of Independence on the Greek side, and most troops on the Ottoman side were in fact Muslim Albanians? My addition is perfectly well sourced. Have a nice day. Athenean (talk) 18:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC) Athenean (talk) 18:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't go cherry picking half sentences. As I explained above, your text is "partly wrong" (only a part resent called Albanian is what reference says and you used it wrong) and out of reference and lead context. Apparently you are not good at math. I don't want to make OR-ing in this case. GHM is clear on the issue, citing the last sentence "Such attitudes (Greek state policy (sic!)) have led many Arvanite (as well as Vlach, and Macedonian) parents to discourage their children from learning their mother tongue so as to avoid similar discrimination and suffering (Trudgill, 1983:130)". I will put it simple for you "They do so because of Greek state policy which have lasted for more than a century". I was trying to calm you guys down. If you want an edit war go ahead. You reaction to simple things guys remind me of Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat Aigest (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Apparently you are not good at English. The text doesn't say that "only a part resent being called Albanians". Except for the Chams (who are different from Arvanites). I think the best thing you said was that you wanted to avoid a revert war, so that's why you reverted me. Incredible. Athenean (talk) 20:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Turkish people

Hi. What do you think about article Turkish people. I think that some users try to exaggerate the percentage of ethnic Turkish with using datum of Turkish citizen. And why did you think the CIA World Fact Book shouldn't be WP:RS ? When do you have time please specify your thought. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Shape of the Earth Merger Discussion

Your comments are welcome at the discussion of the merger proposals involving Flat Earth, Spherical Earth, and Shape of the Earth. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 21:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Aktio-Preveza Undersea Tunnel

Hello! Your submission of Aktio-Preveza Undersea Tunnel at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 4meter4 (talk) 13:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Note

Please be more careful about saying things that make you seem racist. DS (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Let me guess: Someone (no prizes for guessing who) "complained" about me on IRC. Please do not accuse me of being racist again. There is nothing "racist" about my comments. There is a group of users voting as a national block on that page, and the quality of some of the arguments used is indeed quite low (if you actually bothered to read them). I am not saying the contributors are unintelligent or anything like that, I am commenting on their arguments, not the contributors themselves. I am starting to have serious doubts about your impartiality, and will take action if this IRC-based hounding continues. Athenean (talk) 05:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I showed the dif to DS without making any requests or asking for actions against you, so please don't make such comments about him. Athenean ease up on the accusations against other users(irc-based hounding, I have serious doubts about your impartiality) like the Wordsmith told you a few days ago.--— ZjarriRrethues —  07:56, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

How about you ease up on scrutinizing every single thing I write and then "showing diffs" to the admins on IRC at every opportunity, behind my back? And you and DS chat every day on IRC, so yes, I am seeing a pattern here (just look at some of the above posts on this page). Athenean (talk) 08:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

By looking at the above posts on your talkpage I see an editing sanction by Stifle, a two-week topic ban and an expansion of the previous sanctions by The Wordsmith, DS advising you twice to be careful regarding your comments and The Wordsmith telling you to ease up on the accusations because otherwise he may have to step in again. I can't see a pattern but I think that all these comments wouldn't be on your talkpage if you eased up on some of your comments.--— ZjarriRrethues —  10:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

and both of them (DS and Shtifle) were misinformed by the same user via irc. This is quite boring.Alexikoua (talk) 13:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Stifle also sanctioned you back then as a result of an AE Athenean had started but Stifle's decision was based on a suggestion by FutureP. It was an AE result and in fact I wasn't involved at all in that decision and never talked with Stifle at IRC. Alexikoua it would be prudent if you didn't make again such misinformative comments.--— ZjarriRrethues —  13:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The pattern I'm seeing is you diff-fishing through every single contrib of mine, then running to IRC to select admins of your choice and "showing difs" behind my back (and out of context, of course). I've lost count of how many times you've done that already. From WP:IRC When the channels are used to attack Wikipedians, or when IRC discussions are cited as justification for an on-wiki action, the resulting atmosphere is very damaging to the project's collaborative relationships., yet using IRC to attack me is exactly what you are doing. Next time you have a problem with something I say or do, have the decency to bring it up on my talkpage first, or some other public forum, instead of behind my back on IRC. If you continue to use IRC as a weapon against me (it seems you are trying very hard to get me banned), I will request that you be banned from IRC. Athenean (talk) 17:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)