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Talk:Meir Kahane/Archive 1 (2001 - August 2006)
Why is he listed in the category "American Criminals"? 148.78.243.121 04:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Nosair was aquitted?
"Kahane was assassinated by El Sayyid Nosair in Manhattan in 1990 after concluding a speech in a New York hotel"
El Sayyid Nosair article states: "He was also charged by the State of New York as the gunman who killed Rabbi Meir Kahane...While acquitted of that charge Nosair was convicted of weapons charges"
Misplaced Pages find Nosair guilty as charged? I'm sure his lawyers will find that interesting.
- Placed requests of sources on all the assertions of Nosair being convicted of murder that I noticed. The editor with such a casual disregard for the facts even had the gall to place this in the so-called encyclopedia!!! LOL -> "Nosair was acquitted of murder because no witness had actually seen him pull the trigger." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.29.224.251 (talk) 01:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC).
One doesn't need an eye witness to find a murderer guilty of murder. He was seen immediately after firing the shot with the smoking gun, he ran away and shot some one else. The reason he was acquitted was because his liberal Jewish lawyer tricked the predominantly black jury into believing that Kahane hated blacks (which he did not). The judge rightfully criticized the not guilty verdict as being inconsistent with the evidence. (David Kessler) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.97.121 (talk) 21:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I am puzzled about this part:
"The killer was recharged, convicted, and sentenced to life imprisonment some years later, after the discovery of his membership in one of Sheikh Omar Abd El-Rahman's terror cells connected to Al-Qaeda in the United States."
In the first place, it is a confusion to refer to Omar abd-al-Rahman as connected to al-Qaeda. The 1992 World Trade Center bombing was a separate conspiracy from the 2001 attack. I also want to know: how was Nosair "recharged"? We are not supposed to have double jeopardy in the United States. This needs elucidation. Hadding (talk) 03:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Edits since May 1st 2007
Or there abouts. If you look at the differences, there seems to be quite a bit of difference. Can anybody look at all the changes and see what is what. I remove a little bit about Goldstein. Thanks! --Tom 13:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC) I sorry, but you forgot towrite down an Israeli and a Jewish Nazi, it is much more relevant then describing him as an activist.
To call him a Nazi is both silly and dishonest. There is no record of killing any Arabs, although he did advocate expelling them. (David Kessler) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.97.121 (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
NPOV
There are language issues with this article. For example referring to Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane's assassins as "terrorists" or "murderers". This was a political assassination of a leader of an extremist organization that was both banned in the US and Israel, not to mention a settler in an illegal colony.
- OK, if the assassin wasn't a terrorist or murderer, what is he? Also, do folks agree that Kahane was assassinated or should it be murdered? Thanks, --Tom 17:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- Just because the man was murderer you can't call the responsible a terrorist. Just called it responsible/s.190.173.223.91 19:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Clearly, this was an assassination and should be called so. Kahane was a political activist, a leader of a nationalist movement, if you will. Since the nature and purpose of the killing was definitely political based on religious motives, the responsible is to be called terrorist Ehud 04:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Intro.
'I edited expansions in the intro. which is not supposed to contain them. The second contains this material, which is regiven below in the appropriate section dealing wih Kahane's death. It can't stay in both places, and should not be in the intro. since that deals with Kahane not with Al Qaeda, and terrorist incidents:-
- 'El Sayyid Nosair later stood trial for the murder in state court and was acquitted of murder, though convicted of firearms possession. Later he faced Federal charges including Kahane's murder as part of the 1993 al Qaeda terrorist truck-bombing of the World Trade Center and plots to bomb the United Nations building and to assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. He was convicted on these Federal charges and is serving a life sentence. 'Nishidani 15:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
"Former member"
I deleted the word "former" from "former member of the Israeli Knesset". He's dead, so it doesn't matter much that he's a former MK.
It was restored with the explanation that he was expelled from the Knesset before he died. I don't see how that is relevant. It doesn't make the word "former" any more useful.
Finding a concise encyclopedic way to explicitly mention that he was expelled in the opening paragraph may be useful, though. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
"Psudeonym"
Psudonym is a purposefully loaded word. Meir Kahane had pen names, just like Stephen King and Kurt Vonnegut and tens of thousands of other authors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.146.35 (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
JTF Support
I think that it is obvious, that a Kahanist group is one of his supporters. Thus it doesn't need to be placed on the Supporters list. --Doom777 (talk) 09:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Not so obvious to the non-jewish or Kahanist reader.
- Please don't remove it.
- Likeminas (talk) 19:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- What do you mean? While a non-Jewish or Kahanist leader won't know all Kahanist groups, if someone knows that JTF is a Kahanist group, it is obvious that they support him. Also, why single out this group, while there are many other Kahanist groups? --Doom777 (talk) 01:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages relies on verifiability so if you know of any other groups that support him and can provide a source for it, please by all means, feel free to include them as well.
- Nonetheless, you cannot remove sourced information on the basis that you don’t like it.
- Likeminas (talk) 14:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Is JTF truly a kahanist organization? Are there any valid sources that prove it exists outside of its website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.93.235 (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Someone keeps on trying to link JTF article. What's the connection? Ideology? Link it to Kahanism, not here. --Vicky Ng (talk) 19:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Meir Kahane's Life as Michael King
- 14:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)In 1971, as reported by Michael T Kaufman in The New York Times (and subsequently followed up by The Village Voice in the early 1980s), Rabbi Kahane lived a double life in the 1960s. He lived as Rabbi Meir Kahane in Brooklyn as the founder of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a columnist of The Jewish Press and a loving father and husband. In addition, under the pseudonym of Michael King, he had an apartment on the upper East Side of Manhattan where he lived with a gentile woman, Gloria Jean D'Argenio. In 1966, Rabbi Kahane/Michael King sent a letter to Ms D'Argenio where he unilaterally ended their relationship. In response, Ms D'argenio jumped off the Queensboro ("59th Street") Bridge; she died of her injuries the next day. Rabbi Kahane admitted to Mr Kaufman that he loved Ms D'Argenio and had sent roses to her grave for months after her death.
//www.nytimes.com/1994/03/06/weekinreview/remembering-kahane-and-the-woman-on-the-bridge.html It has been speculated that Rabbi Kahane's rabid anti-Jew/gentile relationship stand was at least partially based on his own unhappy experiences.
- 14:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Since the NYT source is impeccable, I don't see any reason why this can't go into the article. Zero 03:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I added this section to the main article back in September, 2009. Why was it removed from the article? I subsequently readded it in April 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SurfFlorist (talk • contribs) 15:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Let's Talk Cats
It keeps coming up in this article so it seems like time we address it: should Meir Kahane be in one of the terrorism categories? Sol (talk) 05:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- What keeps coming up is pure vandalism. --Vicky Ng (talk) 11:20, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- In the manner it's been done, pretty much, but it's got some merit. Kahane did found/lead at least 2 groups labeled as terrorist organizations, enunciated a philosophy of Jewish terrorism against Arab terrorism and was arrested for his involvement in various plots. Does that justify the label? Maybe. Sol (talk) 13:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Snared in The Terrorist Web Time, 6 September 1993
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