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User:Flower taster

Edit war at No Pressure (film)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Thanks to those who intervened on the talk page. The squabbling over how to describe the source ended amicably when somebody pointed out that the source was a blog being used in the absence of a pressing need to source from blogs. --TS 11:31, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

This falls under the climate change sanctions (they're specially written for the case so please do read the text).

There is an ongoing edit war here with all parties apparently blaming one another. I've put up what amounts to a "cease and desist" notice on the talk page but more eyes would be welcome. Possibly action needs to be taken at this point. Several editors are behaving abominably. --TS 13:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Hammer of Habsburg reported by User:Taivo (Result: Blocked through WP:AN3 request)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closed per a report at WP:AN3. EdJohnston (talk) 23:08, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Note: I'm not sure whether this belongs here or at WP:3RR so I have placed it in both places. Croatian language has been placed under the 1RR restrictions of WP:ARBMAC.

Page: Croatian language (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Hammer of Habsburg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Croatian language is under the 1RR restrictions of WP:ARBMAC

• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Comments:

User:Hammer of Habsburg has now violated 1RR again after he was blocked here yesterday for the same thing. --Taivo (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Hammer of Habsburg was blocked by the WP:3RR request. This can be closed. --Taivo (talk) 20:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Jo0doe

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Request concerning Jo0doe

User requesting enforcement

Faustian (talk) 15:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Jo0doe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Digwuren case Scrolling down you will see: *Jo0doe (talk · contribs) banned permanently from all pages relating to Holodomor, broadly construed. This is due to persistent vios of WP:TALK and WP:SOAPBOX. Moreschi (talk) 10:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• Jo0doe (talk · contribs) blocked for a year. See . Moreschi (talk) 21:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
• Per his block log, he was blocked again for 6 months not long after his one year ban expired: "14:05, 28 February 2010 Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. See here for the full discussion. In this case he wrote ""At early days of it appearance People's Militia involved in the extermination of the soviet civil specialists which originated from East regions of the USSR." Jo0doe (talk) claimed that this info was on page 229 in the source. This is completely false. There is nothng about this on page 229. However, on page 232 in the same source, at the top ""first of all the duty was to defend the local population from attacks by the shattered and undisciplined remnants of the Red Army, they also killed organizers of Communist uprisings or Soviet parachutists caught behind the German lines, maintained order by confiscating weapons, registering former Communist officials and specialists that had been sent from the eastern regions of Ukraine, returned things that had been stolen from state warehouses and stores, defended important points, destroyed symbols of Soviet power and were involved in solving criminal cases. In line with brutal wartime policies, members of the People's Militia shot on site people caught looting, theft of personal or state property, hiding unregistered firearms or Soviet sevants, officers or diversionaries. Not rarely, there were also cases where the militamen took part in German anti-Jewish actions. It's known that militiamen took part in obligatory registration of the Jewish population, making sure that Jews wore identification with the star of David and that they worked without getting paid at community jobs." He changed the words "registered former Communist officials and specialists that had been sent from the eastern regions of Ukraine" (on page 232) into "At early days of it appearance People's Militia involved in the extermination of the soviet civil specialists which originated from East regions of the USSR." Please see the link to the talk page for the link to the original source (which is online) and feel free to verify translation with googltranslate.
2. Same passage was misused. JD used the origianl source's statement "Not rarely, there were also cases where the militamen took part in German anti-Jewish actions. It's known that militiamen took part in obligatory registration of the Jewish population, making sure that Jews wore identification with the star of David and that they worked without getting paid at community jobs." to support the phrase: "Members of the Ukrainian People's Militia took part in round-ups of Jews for mass executions and participate in it, escorted Jews to their forced labour sites and create an early ghettos." As a source he used this: "Full discussion, including links to the original article that had been misued, and translations, are here: .
3. On an article's talk page. An author writes about how Ukrainian nationalist extremists had motivation to murder Polish profesors and describes these motivations. The author then states tht the Germans had better motivations to commit this crime and after that devotes pages to describing how the German Nazis, rather than Ukrainian nationalists, most likely did it. Yet in the talk page JD just translates the first part and proposes putting it into the article. He states about that source: "He conclude that the personnel of the Nachtigall_Battalion (the Ukrainian nationalists - Faustian comment) have all reason to murder them - becouse they are 1) Poles 2) Intelligentsia and as a last - they interract with regime. That's the full scholar text." No, it wasn't the full scholar text because the scholar, in the next sentence, wrote: "But even more reason for their elimination had the German spetshrupy that followed the orders of the chief Nazi security police and security services, SS Obergruppenfuhrer R. Heydrich on June 2 and July 1, 1941 which stressed the need to destroy the communist functionaries, the commissioners of Jewish officials, propagandists, and Polish intelihentsiyu7" see the talk page for details that include translations and a link to the article that was misused: . Basically, JD tried to use the source to support claims that were the very opposite of what the source was actually describing.
4. Here he removed the information in an article about the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) about units of that division massacring hundreds of people. According to the source, at the time of those crimes the units were removed from the Division and placed under police command. This information is removed by JD. See the talk page here for translations, links, etc. In this case he seems to be pushing the idea that the division as a whole was responsible for war crimes and altering inconvenient information.
5. Thi example is a bit different fromthe pattern outliend above. Here we see him removing info which he doesn't like. This was removed: "John Paul Himka, a specialist in Ukrainian history during World War II, notes that although units such as the 201 Battalion were routinely used to fight partisans and kill Jews, no one has studied the specific activities of the 201st battalion from this perspective and this ought to be a subject for further study." It was referenced to : True and False Episodes from the Nachtigall Episode Op-Ed by John Paul Himka. Ironically he accused another editor of blanking in that case: .

The above exmples are merely a sample of the pattern he engages in on article edits and talk pages. Essentially JD's M.O. is to find obscure foreign language sources and then falsely describe what they say in order to push his POV. It's quite time-consuming to check his "facts" which is very disruptive to the project but also shields him from sanctions because not many people want to wade through everything.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

At least, a topic ban from areas involving 20th century conflicts and Ukraine to be added to his ban from articles involving the Holodomor. A full ban from wikipedia might not be necesaary, he seems to have been relatively harmless here: (although who knows, I haven't tried to verify what he put in).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Basically, he seems to be pushing a pro-Soviet POV with respect to Ukraine, by his history not only on topics related to World War II but earlier related to Holodomor (he has a lifetime ban on that topic for just the sort of behavior he is enagaging in now). And he used dishonest means when pushing his POV, creating a battleground rather than a collaborative environment. Here he is trying to lure a previously topic-banned editor into his fight: . This is a pattern he has engaged in persistently since coming to wikipedia and has been blocked for in the past. He is also prmananetly banned from Russian-language wikipedia for that sort of behvior: . It doesn't seem that previous blocks here have worked, except to make him a little more subtle or careful to use sources not as easily accessible.

I note that in his response JD argues against his previous blocks. His refusal to acknowledge doing anything wrong in the past probably explains his ongoing problematic behavior now.

All of his attempted defences of the various points I made can be easily addressed, although doing so may make this request unwieldy. This is, incidentally, what happens on the article talk pages - a lengthy spiral of false, poorly written claims by JD whose debunking merely leads to more games and so on. Should I address his points or just leave them alone?

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Here is the diff: .Faustian (talk) 15:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Jo0doe

Statement by Jo0doe

So It’s really sad to spend time on addressing the Proof by verbosity accusations. First of all – I admit in full the difficulties with plain English – but actually it’s not a big deal for prolific editors which are interested in precise quality of facts at the WP articles – see . Even a case party ] . While – actually I’ve applied for help in that area – but, unfortunately there no response. A Second – about my 1 years long block – As you can see from this diff – I’ve accused by proof by verbosity in using the source, which I , actually, never used for reference at any WP article it’s also related to site www.ukrstor.com labeled as “Russian Nationalist Web-sites” (actually simply online book repository about history of the Ukrainian Politic Movements). I prefer to use real library - http://www.nbuv.gov.ua. Moreover I’ve a target of the WP:EEML – and as far as I’ve heard – I’ve at their “black list” – while actually it’s a not a big deal right now. Now I address the Proof by verbosity accusations

• Re 1. Based on the mistranslation and misrepresentation of the source text – specifically text “numerous” given as “not rare” and “ I‘ve cite several more sources which directly support source information about UPM activity against public servant – which by the war definition is not “military personnel” – but a civilians. Story about UPM activities against military personnel given in separate section (supported by primary source image). I can also add several more secondary scholar sources which suggest such activities of the UPM – like THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWS OF LWÓW, 1941-1944 at Roads to Extinction: Essays on the Holocaust. Contributors: Philip Friedman - author, Ada June Friedman - editor. Publisher: Jewish Publication Society of America. Place of Publication: New York. Publication Year: 1980. or at chapter “Terror tactics at the OUN and UPA activities” appeared at book named “Political Terror and Terrorism in Ukraine XIX - XX centuries”: Historical Essays published Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine in 2002 ISBN 777-02-3348-9 – as also by primary sources – actual UPM reports – like
• re 2 Examples of mistranslations already noted above. In result cited source accused in claim which actually not suggested by it – e.i. limitation of activity only to “obligatory registration of the Jewish population, making sure that Jews wore identification with the star of David and that they worked without getting paid at community jobs”. As it can be seen from the initial version of the article – sentence has a 5 sources cited – not only one as suggested at point 2. Also It can be added a dozens more – like for instance p.37 - and even added by case party . Also such activities proved by numerous primary sources - like this late examples copied by me for WP (texts from them widely used before at the Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine
• re 3. Another source mistranslation /misrepresentation – author write not about miracle “Ukrainian nationalist extremists” but about specific Stepan Bandera’s OUN instruction which ordered extermination of the Poles, Jews and Russians and their intelligentsia – pages 321-324. At page 363 Author again conclude (p.1.) that personnel of the Nachtigall_Battalion have all reason to murder Polish professors and Jewish Population of the Ukraine. (p.2) However due the unclear and self contradictory reports of the witnesses it’s can be conclude that the in shooting of the Polish professors and Jewish Population of the Ukraine take parts Ukrainians and Ukrianian- spoken Volksduetschers which serve at the Germans punishment authorities and, plausible, UPM members. (P. 3) … some individual members of the Nachtigall_Battalion can participate in murders – as an their own will or by the orders of the Germans or Bnadera’s OUN leadership “ . – So it’s clear there no evidence about “very opposite of what the source was actually describing’ - and almost precisely inline with text given
• re 4 – I’ve already address same and other allegations before – But for convenience of the readers I’ll repeat it again – source text . does not contains words “alleged eyewitnesses” and “regiments had been separated from the Division” – instead 3rd at page 284 paragraph clearly identify witnesses as real and page 283 clearly indicate about units of the SS Galicia (Kampfgruppe Beyersdorff and 4 and 5 regiments of the Division – clarification by Andriy Bolyanovs`kyi , The Division "Galicia". It's History Lviv 2000. ISBN 966-02-1635-1) – and not call them as “separated” – as far as whole division itself was at the disposal of the Friedrich Wilhelm Krüger - Höhere SS und Polizei Führer in the General Government = German Police in ordinary understanding words – So texts which does not appeared at the sources cited above was clarified.
• re.5 – underline the Proof by verbosity accusations – it’s clear that the text which was allegedly claimed “as removed” – namely “John Paul Himka, a specialist in Ukrainian history during World War II, notes that although units such as the 201 Battalion were routinely used to fight partisans and kill Jews, no one has studied the specific activities of the 201st battalion from this perspective and this ought to be a subject for further study." – moved to be a first sentence of the “Belarus” section -

As a summary – as I can prove above – all allegations “reliable” as “fact about like "I’ve removed Himka’s text” – as you can see from my edits before – I’v use real library (- http://www.nbuv.gov.ua) and real(paper) publications of the Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and other prominent Western scholar - which I can support by primary sources - historical documents - which I’ve uploaded to WP for educational proposes. Also I’ve obtain a permission to use scholar text for WP educational proposes – I’ll sent proof of it to any requested admins. It’s really sad to note – that the specific editor prefer to produce a huge Proof by verbosity accusations and remove historical documents instead of explain how it possible for organization appeared it 1929 use a logo which adopted in 1941 – or suggest a requested page(s) . So – It’s would be nice to see a an administrators decision about what actually “net positive for Misplaced Pages” – scholar texts and images of the historical documents – or hoaxes and misusing/mistranslation of the scholar texts (examples given above) - to clarify what actually “disruption” mean in the context of the WP editing. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Jo0doe

I just want to throw my hat in the ring in support of the measures Faustian is proposing. I've also had to deal with Jo0doe and his falsifying of information. Ultimately, you can go through his history and find that in every article he edits, he follows the same pattern of inserting false information with obscure, non-English sources that can't be tracked down (or if they can be, we usually verify hat he falsely used the information to push his POV) / he then tries to put us on a wild goose chase to prove him wrong. He just loves wasting other people's time. Here's an example 1, it just turns into a headache trying to read what he's saying. He tries to throw around PROVEIT and RS and will delete content unless you appease him, but his questions are so generic and reek of copy/paste that it seems he just wants to stir up as much trouble as possible and isn't genuinely interested in editing to make articles better - just push his POV and piss off anyone else involved.--Львівське (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Jo0doe

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I am inclined to impose a 1 year block, which is the maximum that the discretionary sanctions permit. This editor has already been blocked for most of the past two years, with little improvement to show for it. Given the weak English skills and difficulty getting facts straight, this editor cannot be seen as a net positive for Misplaced Pages. Looie496 (talk) 18:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I cannot read the source claimed to have been misrepresented, and therefore I cannot evaluate the factual basis for this request (the claimed misrepresentations are sufficiently subtle that I do not consider it appropriate to make a determination based on Google translate). However, assuming arguendo that the claims of misrepresenting sources are true, I am of the view that the user should be blocked indefinitely under administrators' general power to prevent disruption. Few things are more disruptive to encyclopedia building than abusing the good faith of other editors by misrepresenting sources, and the history of lengthy blocks here strongly suggests that anything short of an indef will not address the problem. The first year of the block can be taken as imposed under the authority of the discretionary sanctions, and subject to the usual restrictions on overturning. T. Canens (talk) 20:45, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

In my view we should be strict in following procedures here. Actions that go beyond ArbCom sanctions should be decided elsewhere, such as ANI. Looie496 (talk) 21:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Since when do we require an ANI discussion before indeffing disruptive users? It is one thing to say that we should not take up matters that are not related to an arbitration decision to start with (which I think no one disputes). But given that the subject matter here is related to an arbitration decision, I think it's best, by analogy to supplemental jurisdiction, to deal with the whole matter in the same place for the sake of efficiency and consistency. T. Canens (talk) 00:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Vodomar

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Request concerning Vodomar

User requesting enforcement

— kwami (talk) 02:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Vodomar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC (1RR in place)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. Revert to a version that has been reverted multiple times and is against the consensus of all non-Croat and several Croat editors
2. Weasel wording to the same effect, and not supported by the ref that it's now tagged with.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. User_talk:Vodomar#Notice_of_WP:ARBMAC Warning by Kubura (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Revert of his latest edit, and warning/discipline as ARB feels appropriate

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

(notification of this request and suggestion that he revert himself, which he has not done)

Discussion concerning Vodomar

Statement by Vodomar

Comments by others about the request concerning Vodomar

I concur with Kwami's assessment of the situation. Vodomar's second edit today was a WP:WEASELly way to insert the same unscientific POV into the text and does not match the clear statement of the sources that are provided as footnotes. Before I saw Kwami's report here, I warned Vodomar myself here that I considered him to be in violation of 1RR for that edit. Vodomar has stopped being a constructive participant in the discussion, has hitched his wagon to a single source that is not scientifically specialized, and has provided no references to the article. He is simply pushing his POV along with a tag team of others who provide no references and accept no references that don't agree with their POV. --Taivo (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Vodomar

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I have full protected the article for 3 days. All the editors who edited in the past few days appear to have violated the 1RR restriction on the article and edit warred. They are on first inspection now all subject to the Arbmac discretionary sanctions:

The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; restrictions on reverts; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project.

I'm reviewing to ensure that they all had personal notifications under ARBMAC. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Notifications review of recent editors (NOT an about-to-sanction list, nor a verified-broke-1RR list, merely for inventory purposes of everyone with multiple edits on article in last 4 days)

Previously notified - Vodomar, JorisV, Hammer of Habsburg

Not previously formally notified - Roberta F., Taivo, Kwamikagami, PRODUCER, Ali Pasha

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Topic banned editors needling one another

Edit war on 1RR article Climatic Research Unit email controversy

Africangenesis

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Request concerning Africangenesis

User requesting enforcement

TS 22:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Africangenesis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate change#Climate change: discretionary sanctions Admins please read special provisions for this case

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

• Talk:global warming:

1. 12:24 October 19 The clique that had controlled this article drove me and many other good editors away. I read at wattsupwiththat that this problem might have been rectified. I hope you aren't continuing the problem." Battleground behavior: raking up ancient alleged misdeeds during discussion of article improvement.
2. 12:43 October 19 "Recall that I was the one that forced the cadre to admit..." Battleground behavior: raking up ancient alleged misdeeds during discussion of article improvement.
3. 23:53 October 19 "So this is the tactic." Battleground behavior: failure to assume good faith
4. 0:05 October 20 "So convincing you is the standard. WP:OWN". Failure to assume good faith, personal attack.
5. 10:14 October 20 'In the past, wasn't ownership of this more prominent article partially maintained by insisting that details relevant to disputes and credibility of the scientific claims on this page, be pushed off to other specialized, less prominent pages, i.e., isn't disputing edits on this page on such a basis, "battleground behavior"?' Battleground behavior: raking up ancient alleged misdeeds during discussion of article improvement. Failure to assume good faith.
6. 11:04 October 20 "Also, in the time of the great ownership problem, one of the few consolations was that visitors could get a much better sense of the state of the science on the talk page than in the article proper. Because the discussions and ownership behavior on the talk page were often embarrassing to the owners, another frequent battleground behavior by the owners was more rapid archiving of the talk page. Since your sympathies were with the owners positions, if not their behavior, you may not have been sensitive to some of these tactics. You see, despite that fact that the talk pages were a battleground, that doesn't mean that they were devoid of information or that the battles themselves didn't inform visitors of how credible the page itself was. However, I doubt you were aware that increasing the speed of archiving was battleground behavior. It is less excusable now with wider availability of broadband than it was then. Hopefully, we can get more of the actual science in the article and rapid archiving will some day, not be considered battleground behavior." Battleground behavior: raking up old alleged misdeeds, failure to assume good faith, personal attacks during discussion of article improvement.
7. 20:21 October 21 "You accuse me of putting in an unsourced original research statement, when you didn't bother to read the sources, you don't assume good faith, you leave the article in an erroneous state and now you are stalking my every post as part of your edit war. Who is being uncivil?" Battleground behavior: failure to assume good faith, personal attack, while discussion of article improvement.

• User talk:Africangenesis:

1. 20:55 October 21 on being asked on his talk page to assume good faith: I agree. I haven't received any indication that would work better, however. They don't admit they are wrong when you are polite or if you rub their faces in it. But, in the latter case, maybe they will read the article the next time." Battleground behavior. Displaying an antagonistic attitude.

• Global warming:

1. 21:54 October 21, edit summary: "reverting revert by Schulz who is not participating on the talk page, he didn't defend his ocean acidifcation revert and apparently not this one either" Battleground behavior: personal attack in edit summary. Stephan Schulz, who is the subject of the attack, pointed out caveats in the paper on October 19. Africangenesis apparently remembers Stephan from when he last edited Misplaced Pages before, in 2007 "I notice Schulz is still around".

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. 13:08, October 19 Warning by Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs) (TS)
2. 0:04 October 20 Warning by Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs)
3. 11:22 October 20 Warning by Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs)
4. 20:28 October 21 Warning by Mann jess (talk · contribs)

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Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Formal "Warning of intended sanctions" (see remedy cited above), stating the battleground behavior is unacceptable and will lead to a topic ban from climate change articles if he continues in this way.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

At 11:47 October 20 I decided to step back from editing the article and leave the talk page alone. I wanted to see if this editor would interact well with others if I got out of his way. I also set the archive period back to 21 days following his expression of concern about archiving.

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