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I will generally answer on your talk page (and usually copy here), and look for your responses here. If you see my answer here and it's not on your talk page, I'm either not happy with it (haven't finished writing it), or I forgot to copy it over. However I don't use my watch-list much, as I am not yet back in the habit of it, so best to reply here. R.F.

IMPORTANT. Due to the volume on this talk page I archive semi-manually, a 2 day archive time is not fast enough to keep it clear and a is too fast to allow me to deal with every thread completely. If you feel that a thread has been archived too soon please copy it back here and note that you have done so both on the thread both on archive and here. Thanks. RF

Nudges

About bots and categories - clarify request

Italic titles

Railway

Conversation

Hi, did you correct those Burmese infobox errors afterwards? Can you move all of the Gare de... in Category:Railway stations in France categories to ...... railway station. There is consensus to do so at WP:Trains. They should be in english.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC) E.g Gare de Colmar should be Colmar railway station.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC) See #Burma .. let me know. Yes that's not hard, when I get back about 5pm I'll get on to it. category:Paris Métro should not be a sub cat of Paris railway stations as this puts rolling stock into a station category. Rich Farmbrough, 13:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC). OK Gare de, Gare du and Gare d' I take it are fine to move, how about: Gare Maritime de Cherbourg  Done Gare Maritime de Dieppe  Done Gare Montparnasse Gare RER de Saint Germain-en-Laye Gare Saint-Lazare Gare TGV Haute-Picardie ? Rich Farmbrough, 13:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC). Mmm I'd go with: Gare Maritime de Cherbourg = Cherbourg Maritime railway station Gare Maritime de Dieppe = Dieppe Maritime railway station List here. Rich Farmbrough, 17:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC). Hang on a moment - I'm new to this but can't find the consensus for change described above. (Yes I tend to favour the Gare de .. title obviously.) Don't look at Category:Railway stations in Germany either :) . Lot's of stuff like Mannheim Hauptbahnhof. Particularly there is an objection to things like Gare d'Avignon TGV are in fairly common use in English, as are others. I'm worried that if you bot this it will make a mess eg consider Gare du Nord.Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC) Look on the talk page - specifically Manheim Hauptbahnhof and Gare du Nord are mentioned as exceptions. I don't think even if I was "botting it" I could affect the BBC pages... Or perhaps you mean the content of pages? There is no intent to do a search and replace (As far as I know.) Rich Farmbrough, 18:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC). Yes funny - I linked to the BBC to show an example of common usage.Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC) I'd also suggest (can that be demand) that the ones moved be moved back. This Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Railway_stations discussion hasn't really established a consensus for such a big change. Also despite being an English word too, I don't feel that 'maritime' is the correct English translation, possibly 'marine' is better, but fundamentally its usage is specific to the name - a literal translation probably won't make much sense. Although not English the French names satisfy Misplaced Pages:Article_titles#Deciding_an_article_title, especially recognisability. This definitely seems to have been an error in your judgement in honesty.Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC) Of course you can Revert (using "undo" - not roll-back if you have that) - then go and Discuss - its part of the BRD cycle, although with a month elapsed form the discussion, it's not that bold. Just drop me a note to let me know which bits if any you revert - or if you wish discuss then revert if necessary. Rich Farmbrough, 19:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC). I might have but as I'm not objecting to the other changes they exceptions with "Maritime" would seem out of place. There seems to be a few examples in english of the usage that's been proposed/changed ("xxx maritime station"), I'm not sure if "xxx harbour station" or "xxx port station" is better or worse. Must do more research before acting.Sf5xeplus (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC) Note Just to make it clear - I've changed my position (on naming) from object to neutral - you can ignore the above.Sf5xeplus (talk) 19:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC) (Thanks for the note: RF.) Will try to get back to this today or tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough, 11:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC). More Anyway far be it for me to stand in the way of progress - if the station name is simply "gare de xxx" then I don't object to "xxx station" etc. I'm not sure about the ones with "maritime" in. However you did get the capitalisation wrong, its railway station (lower case) eg King's Cross station. (ok so some USA stations use Railroad Station with caps, but that's for another day). Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC) Yes that is what was suggested, and normally I love WP's "down" style, and regularly take Dr Blofeld out the back and threaten him with his own sharks for using capitals in things like "Splurgle District". However thinking about it for a moment will reveal that it is not that simple. If the name is "Gare d'" then Station is part of the name. Though I argue elsewhere that, for example Kingston University is also Kingston university, so "downing" is a fairly safe operation, where as "upping" is not (Manchester universities <> Manchester Universities for example), in this case I think the cap is justified. I am open to persuasion however, more: if you can get consensus from WP T on either style I will go with that quite happily . I would indeed personally prefer just "Station" or "station", since to my ear "Railway" is the default. Other varieties of English, however, may vary. Rich Farmbrough, 19:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC). Category:Railway stations in Belgium could be an example of precedence - 1/2 of it speaks French of a sort (or maybe that's wrong too). As an additional capitalisation of gare is not always done (except at the beginning of a sentence) eg , also http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=+site:www.lemonde.fr+le+monde+gare Le Monde uses lower case if not leading a sentence. eg No idea what the official French ministry of spelling and culture position is on this controversy.Sf5xeplus (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC) That's interesting. I am, sadly, an expert in neither Walloon (as I remarked earlier today, funnily enough) or railway stations, although there is a fascination about abandoned underground stations that probably speaks to either a deep character flaw, or to much "Quatermass" as a child. (Hobbs End I think? OR was that the good Doctor?) The place for discussion is is most likely the WikiProject. You can cut and paste this wholesale if you wish. Rich Farmbrough, 19:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC). Or maybe I should take your opinion, my doubts, and the talk page suggestion as consensus for lower case? IDK. I'l think on't. Rich Farmbrough, 19:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC). I've left a note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Capitalisation_of_french_railway_stations and on Blofeld's page too. I can let you know (though I've suggested others post here since I'm fairly certain this is a non-controversial thing already decided). I can let you know. the reason I'm hassling you about this is because I'm under the impression that you have 'thousands' of station articles to name change..? maybe that's not the caseSf5xeplus (talk) 19:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC) Thanks. It's about 400 - see the list I mentioned. I was planning on creating redirects to the Gare du Nord articles - an of course anyone could move back specific items. Oh and yes, re: Le Monde, French capitalisation differs from ours for proper nouns (e.g. Académie française) but that's about as far as my knowledge takes me. Rich Farmbrough, 19:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC). There seemed to be no objection to moving the pages to lower casing e.g Rouen railway station. These really should be moved as Gare means nothing to most non French speakers. I personally prefer the Railway Station capitalised but consensus at WP:Trains seems to be lower casing. "railway" station is necessary as "station could refer to bus station, tram/cable car station or even a scientific research station.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the notes, will try to get back to this today or tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough, 11:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC).

Printworthy

Hyphenating adjectival use of units

Database scan

I don't know if it's easy but I would like to have an idea of how many articles that transclude {{Infobox officeholder}} or one of its 150+ redirects have |honorific-prefix= with <br> (or its variations) and how many don't.

Check Template_talk:Infobox_officeholder#honorific-prefix. Is it possible that you make a database scan for me? Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes it should be easy. Rich Farmbrough, 11:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC).

Delayed by a slight diversion. Rich Farmbrough, 11:24, 12 October 2010 (UTC).

Found 6 with just a break. Rich Farmbrough, 16:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC).

It was about 4384, as far as I could tell. Rich Farmbrough, 02:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC).

SmackBot duplicate tags feature request

Sorry if this is not the place to leave this, but this is mostly a feature request I think. In this diff, it would be nice if SmackBot would notice that there are duplicate tags and remove the duplicated tags. Would this be easy to implement? Devourer09 (t·c) 16:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how hard it would be, it depends on scope, I suspect that the main difficulty would be dividing the list up into remove and don't remove, dfor example, multiple Expand section, or multiple Citation needed tags are legitimate (but not adjoining). Simpler might be to limit it to tag knots, in which case it would be fairly easy. I'll submit a BRFA. Rich Farmbrough, 16:31, 12 October 2010 (UTC).

BRFA submitted and in trial. Rich Farmbrough, 02:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC).

SmackBot

SmackBot is destroying my ability to manage my watchlist by clogging the database with trivial substitutions of the unsigned template. The argument for substituting that template is weak in any case. Forcing database edits merely for the purpose of that one substitution is counterproductive. Please pull that out of the list of SmackBot triggers. Rossami (talk) 00:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Examples:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ACandidates_and_elections&action=historysubmit&diff=390376929&oldid=94182987
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANotability_%28organizations_and_companies%29%2FArchive1&action=historysubmit&diff=390362783&oldid=158317183
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ADeletion_process&action=historysubmit&diff=390351288&oldid=388602797
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AStrategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation&action=historysubmit&diff=390337826&oldid=371958946
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AG%27day&action=historysubmit&diff=390331736&oldid=295056933
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AU.S._Navy_slang&action=historysubmit&diff=390310669&oldid=160780098

Yes I can see the problem. It was a bit of a catchup, and should not happen again. Incidentally you can tell your watchlist to ignore bot edits if you choose. Rich Farmbrough, 11:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC).

What is the rationale for substituting this template, and please could you link to the relevant BRFA? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

It's supposed to be substed. The BRFA will take some finding as I am rebuilding the task list on SBs page. Rich Farmbrough, 00:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC).

SmackBot & Gurnee mills

On the entry for Gurnee Mills, the bot tried to add a date for a dl template, but ended up with more templates instead of the actual month and year. "{{Dead link|date={{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}}}" I manually updated it. Andyross (talk) 23:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, known bug, awaiting bot approvals to implement fix. Rich Farmbrough, 23:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC).

If I configure FixSyntax() to replace |date={{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} when within ref tags will that work for your AWB usage? I'm not 100% happy to circumvent the MediaWiki bug, but it doesn't seem likely it will be fixed soon. Rjwilmsi 07:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but no. I am using "check after" to look for the subst:string - normally I replace it using a rule but if I manually brought that rule back without the main dating rules I would be saving "without dating a tag" too often. Rich Farmbrough, 13:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC).

rev 7314 I've added that logic anyway, since the problem might occur for other AWB users, so it's there if you would like to make use of it. Rjwilmsi 11:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Uh, well it was something I asked for, and given the MW bug is good, but right now it would mean SB making zero edits instead of a very few. Rich Farmbrough, 00:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC).

Could you walk me through how this prevents you updating to the latest SVN? –xeno 18:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, traditionally SB only saved if a non-minor find and replace was used. This virtually eliminated saves which didn't date tags (down to about 0.3% and in due course would have been a lot less (maybe 0) - by means of tagging many more rules minor). Now it is only doing GFs it needs a different mechanism, and that is checking for {{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} after the changes have been made. Otherwise it will save on other GFs - whcih is fine by me, but would doubtless resulted in stops, blocks and other assorted problems. Rich Farmbrough, 00:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

Having said that I am working with it now, just not exclusively. I have written a patcher this evening, and realised that I can just keep multiple versions in different directories (d'oh!) so a little more work and I will be able to have my cake while CBM eats it. Rich Farmbrough, 00:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

Thanks for explaining. Best regards, –xeno 17:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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{{Wikibreak}}

• William Rodgers, Baron Rodgers of Quarry Bank
• Misplaced Pages:Good article criteria
• Tampering needs another dab entry

Dates

When you're not too busy dealing with that time sump ANI, there are a bunch of articles in this category and through (for example, all the subjects on List of colonial governors of Massachusetts), many of which are in mdy or a mixture of dmy/mdy dates, which could do with being aligned to dmy dates per WP:TIES. You can probably tag them all {{EngvarB}} while you are at it. Thanks, --Ohconfucius 08:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC) Doubt I am allowed to put invisible tags on pages. Rich Farmbrough, 17:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

Aberdaron

Hi, the only obstacle stopping this current GA candidate from GA i think is the references. But isn't there a bot which can fill out the references with cite web |url|title=|publisher=|accessdate=? If so can you arrange it to sort out the references?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you reply? I could have sworn there was a reference bot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I started off naming all the reference tags. I am now forbidden to finish that task. Rich Farmbrough, 17:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

Template:Imdb

Any chance SmackBot can replace uses of {{imdb}} with {{IMDb name}}? This only needs to be done in passing rather than en masse, but it's not ideal for an ambiguous template redirect to have so many transclusions. PC78 (talk) 16:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

You can add any template redirects you think must be bypassed in Misplaced Pages:AutoWikiBrowser/Template_redirects. I added this one in Misplaced Pages:AutoWikiBrowser/Template_redirects#Other_templates. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! PC78 (talk) 18:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes I was doing so, however SmackBot got blocked for changing case so these are currently dropped. Rich Farmbrough, 20:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC).

Incidentally mixed case trademarks are deprecated at MOSCAPS. Rich Farmbrough, 18:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

References section added more than once

This one is similar, but for the references section. It was already present in the article, but SmackBot saved the edit anyway (and did not fix the problem) . — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Not priority

This is a cumulative diff of several consecutive smackbot edits . — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

 Critical

Would have had time to sort this, but, Alas! Ani come first. Rich Farmbrough, 05:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

There is no consensus for "ucfirst" as a standard for template calls

I will request both you and your bot to be blocked if you continue making these changes without first gaining consensus for them. You are a valuable contributor, but you cannot simply "plow on ahead" with controversial changes without first gathering consensus after good faith objections are raised. –xeno 03:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

There is no controversy here. Nothing to see, keep walking. Rich Farmbrough, 05:16, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

Of course if BRFA SB 35 was signed off I could at least upgrade my AWB per the previous section. Rich Farmbrough, 05:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

You and I must work from different definitions of controversy. –xeno 14:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Hm, yes I was wrong there is plenty of controversy. There are no controversial changes here, I should have said. ~~

People have objected to you changing the case and asked you to gain consensus for your belief that lcfirst is incorrect/ something to be fixed. The onus lies upon you to do so, not to put your head down and continue unabated. –xeno 15:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Who? Rich Farmbrough, 15:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

Me, for one. Do you think I keep asking you to stop because I like giving you a hard time? I don't. –xeno 15:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Me too. I declare your ucfirst-edits controversial. By the way, RF, above you wrote my AWB. Is that a private bot? Is it approved? Is there a botoperator, accountable & listening? Tell us more. -DePiep (talk) 21:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi DePiep I notice you still have a personal attack on me on your talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 22:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

No you clearly stated your postion. You were asking me to stop because many other people had asked me to stop and I had ignored them or brushed them off. Which is fine. We have subsequently established that both those premises are flawed. Therefore I would expect you stop asking me to stop. Rich Farmbrough, 22:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

I am fairly sure you said you didn't care about the capitalisation yourself. Rich Farmbrough, 22:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Rich Farmbrough's persistent disregard for community norms and (semi-)automated editing guidelines. –xeno 22:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

And, asking about your "my AWB" is a personal attack? -DePiep (talk) 22:40, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

". Is that a private bot? Is it approved? Is there a botoperator, accountable & listening?" that bit is. Get real. Rich Farmbrough, 01:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

RF, you referred to "my AWB". Does this refer to an unapproved bot you use or used? -DePiep (talk) 20:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

No. Now please stop or I will ask another admin to take a look at your actions. Rich Farmbrough, 20:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

Send in "another" admin for me asking what do you mean by my AWB? I'd say: what do you mean by my AWB? -DePiep (talk) 01:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• I just don't believe this sniping from the sidelines is still going on. You guys seriously need to get a life for insisting any capitalisation changes of templates are controversial. Yes, it's true that a small number of users can create a humongous fuss over any issue, but you guys have been going on too strongly about it for some time now, and really ought to re-evaluate your position in the cold light of day. You're piling on issue after issue after issue as if your stance on any one of your previous issues justifies your stance on this one, or that Rich is wrong in this case. The problem here is not Rich, but you. If you took this issue to the community, few would care one way or the other whether a template ought to be capitalised, or whether it should contain a space or not. You guys would just be looking for humiliation. --Ohconfucius 01:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

While some editors have expressed a personal preference for one style or the other, that isn't the main issue.

Indeed, on an objective level, whether the first letter is uppercase or lowercase makes virtually no difference. That's exactly why the bot's mass changes from one to the other are problematic; they flood watchlists, forcing users monitoring diffs to wade though these pointless edits in order to find the substantial ones.

It would be equally bad for the bot to change the first letter from uppercase to lowercase. The point is not that one style is inherently better; it's that the change itself (irrespective of the direction) is disruptive. —David Levy 02:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree that ideally these edits should take place whilst carrying out substantive edits, but I am at a loss and I really don't know what to suggest. People seem to be coming from left and right, above and below to complain that even I feel besieged on behalf of Rich, and I'm only a talk page stalker!;-) It's only natural that bots take care of the small edits which no-one cares about, and people don't care until things start going pear-shaped – not unlike when the rubbish piles up on roadsides when the sanitation team are working to rule. Due to the problems being complained about, SmackBot is a shadow of its former self as Rich has been forced to remove a bunch of code from it. This would inevitably cause the circle to spiral as an overall larger number of trivial or inconsequential edits will be necessary. Nevertheless, I hope you see the point I'm trying to make: the header of this thread is 'There is no consensus for "ucfirst" as a standard for template calls', and all I'm saying is that I think few would give a FF (ie non-controversial by definition), yet I'm seeing people argue here that it is so. --Ohconfucius 05:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

These edits should not occur at all. If substantive changes are made within the same revision, that negates the issue of added server strain when the page is saved, but it worsens the problem noted above. (Because the bot combines purposeful edits with pointless edits, users wishing to monitor the former are inundated with the latter.)

Honestly, I don't particularly care whether the first letter is uppercase or lowercase. I just want the bot to stop changing it for no good reason. That is what's controversial, and Rich only adds fuel to the fire with his dismissive replies (e.g. the above "Nothing to see, keep walking" remark). —David Levy 06:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Levy has it. I would also object if someone made the change in the other direction. It is the change that is disruptive, it is the changing that needs to stop, and if his talk page is "besieged", it is because he continues with the changes. Rich, if you need help writing a regex to avoid changing the first letter case, feel free to post at WT:AWB. –xeno 13:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Well this all started off with a "botwars" posting somewhere. I have never heard back form the other party, and presumably it has either stopped or kicked into reverse. But I have a little suspicion in me that says no-one checked? Rich Farmbrough, 15:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

As far "no good reason" is concerned allowing that to pass and sticking to the "stop changing it" bit - be aware that massive changes to the rule-base have eliminated - well pretty much everything - Xeno says (or said) that the bot's changes since 18 October are fine. It is a shame that David has not found any relief in these changes, but there is nothing left to be cut. Rich Farmbrough, 15:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

I just examined some recent diffs and found that the bot indeed ignored all-lowercase template calls. If this is consistent and permanent, it addresses my main concern regarding your bot. —David Levy 18:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Now if only the man behind the curtain can stop unnecessarily capitalizing templates, we can go back to sipping mai tais and playing beach volleyball. –xeno 18:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The current little difficulty seems to be over a silly little number of manual or semi manual edits, that are neither watchlist chaff nor diff bloating. 23 edits capitalising "Jewish", and edit to Hans Apserger and Ron Weasley that I should probably not have saved, for example. All very reprehensible, but hardly ANI stuff. Rich Farmbrough, 15:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

Why bother changing {{reflist}} to {{Reflist}}? The fact that you are continually having to make these changes to support your preference kindof supports the position that the de facto consensus is lcfirst. In any case, changing in either direction is unnecessary. –xeno 18:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

As far as diff bloat goes I had suggested to xeno that this was something we could usefully discuss. I suppose that suggestion got drowned in the sea of words. Rich Farmbrough, 15:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

I'll try to keep it short and sweet. Rich: (for the umpteenth time) please stop changing template capitalisation. It does not affect the rendering of the page and serves no useful purpose. —Sladen (talk) 20:22, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Xeno has pointed out that the edit I noticed was made in period between the restrictions coming into place and SmackBot being subsequently stopped. —Sladen (talk) 22:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Template names with the same misspelling

At 17:35, 13 August 2009, Template:Monthly cleanup category was moved to Template:Monthly clean up category, with the explanation "cleanup is a noun". However, "cleanup" should still be a compound word when it is used as a noun adjunct (a noun used as an attributive adjective next to an immediately following noun).

• http://mw3.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cleanup
• http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/hyphens.asp
• http://www.wilbers.com/part24.htm
• http://www.epa.gov/productreview/stylebook/writing.html

Could you please move Template:Monthly clean up category to Template:Monthly cleanup category, and move all the subpages to corresponding subpages? There is a related discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Templates#Template names with the same misspelling (permanent link here). (Your talk page is on my watchlist, and I will watch for your reply here.)
—Wavelength (talk) 02:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

My OED denies there is any such word. Are you sure its not some twentieth century American invention, possibly derived form the mining industry as reported by Mark Twain in Roughing It ? Rich Farmbrough, 03:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

I am not sure that it is not a twentieth-century American invention, but, even if it is, it shares that characteristic with "Internet" and "Misplaced Pages" and many words in the field of computing as well as other fields. If you are able to use English while avoiding every word that is a twentieth-century American invention, you deserve a prize for your agility in constrained writing. Anyway, I found the hyphenated form "clean-up" at http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0153900#m_en_gb0153900. I would be satisfied with the hyphenated form, although, according to http://www.onelook.com/?w=cleanup&ls=a and http://www.onelook.com/?w=clean-up&ls=a, the solid compound word "cleanup" appears to be more common than the hyphenated compound word "clean-up".

—Wavelength (talk) 04:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah well: I have moved it to the hyphenated version, though no doubt someone will be along to chastise me for not using RM in a moment. <Chuckle> HTH. Rich Farmbrough, 14:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

Thank you. (Unfortunately, I neglected to mention that some of the subpages have the solid compound form "cleanup" in their names. I hope that that does not cause problems.)

—Wavelength (talk) 15:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Luckily up to 100 subpages move automatically for (admins at least) and there were only 98. SO there should be no issues. Also I built the template using relative names for subpages, so there should be no problems there. Rich Farmbrough, 18:19, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

Perhaps I should clarify what I meant when I said that they have the solid compound form "cleanup" in their names. I meant that they have it in the part following the virgule ("/"). (If there is a technical word for that part, I do not know it.) One example is Template:Monthly clean up category/Messages/Wikipedia introduction cleanup (which has been moved to Template:Monthly clean-up category/Messages/Wikipedia introduction cleanup).

—Wavelength (talk) 19:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes there is a technical term, but I have forgot it quite. The pleasure of having someone say "virgule" on my talk page more than makes up for this momentary amnesia though. As i say, although they are made of human words, these names are really just strings. If Cat:Misplaced Pages intro cleanup moves to "Articles needing introduction clean-up" (I would be moderately pleased - I actually prefer best a more positive "to be" construciton, although it might be clumsy here "Articles to be cleaned up" - implies we are going to do it, not just we are aware it's broken , and creates positive vibes helping things get done) then that sub-template would need to move too. Rich Farmbrough, 19:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

Decapitalisation

For some odd reason the bot is decapitalising "General Secretaries". Please don't do this! Warofdreams talk 08:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, adjusting the mechanism. Rich Farmbrough, 15:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

Great, thanks, it's working fine now. Warofdreams talk 22:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

At-risk BLPs

Hey, very good work, how did you generate that list?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I used the marvellous WP:AWB to generate a list of articles that contained risk-words, then wrote a little concordance type application to produce the report. Rich Farmbrough, 14:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

Smackbot added stub tag to dab page

Something went wrong here - the bot recognised the Disambiguation tag, but went on to call the page a stub. Wrong. PamD (talk) 21:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Rich, please download latest source code. It fixes the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I have it, compiling now. And thanks Pam as ever. Rich Farmbrough, 22:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

And if it's adding {{stub}}, could it please use lower case "s"? It saves a couple of key-strokes when updating it to {{foo-stub}}, and for those of us who sort a lot of stubs, is a minor avoidable irritation! It may be "correct" for the tag to appear as {{Stub}}, but thanks to stub-sorters such tags don't hang around for long before being sorted! PamD (talk) 09:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I changed this when it was my custom rules for that very reason, Ill drop a note to the AWB team (it's been in my mind to do that), and change my own copy. Incidentally I could make s a little js so that as soon as you opened a page any {Stub} became {stub}. Rich Farmbrough, 09:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

Feature request in. Rich Farmbrough, 18:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC).

PLEASE STOP, SMACKBOT! Do not de-capitalize these things!

I must admit, I kind of saw this coming but was too lazy to preempt it. Okay, here's the deal: please reverse the de-capitalization of section titles (like Band Members, Additional Personnel, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum). These are NOT the same things as page titles and thus there are different rules when it comes to de-capitalization. If there were a page called "Band member", it is proper to de-capitalized the second word because it's a general encyclopedia entry (ideally, I think, both words should be de-capitalized - maybe you could build a SmackBot for this purpose?) But think of section titles as chapter titles. Chapter titles follow the same rules as, say, novels or albums (that is, capitalize all major words, de-capitalize connectors such as "of", "a", "the" etc.)

I do have a request. Could you get your SmackBot to change "Track listing" on album pages to "Tracklist"? - This is a much more economical (not to mention widely used) term.

Also, I have one more bone to pick. Could you please return the birthdays/years of people back to links? I find it very annoying now that I can't click on a birthday and see who shares it.

Cheers, Wikkitywack (talk) 01:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC) copied from User talk:SmackBot by Femto Bot, (possibly the smallest bot in the world) 01:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. These three things are all subject of more or less discussion:-

1. Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style#Section_headings "All of the guidance in Article titles immediately above applies to section headings as well. "
2. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Albums specifically uses "Track listing" : you could start a discussion there, to have it changed to "Yrack list".
3. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) - after hundreds of pages of discussion, an Arbcom case, and several RFcs.

Hope that helps. Rich Farmbrough, 01:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

• Rich is quite right. There is no question that headers like 'Band Members', 'Additional Personnel' are in violation of WP:MOS. Smackbot appears to be acting correctly in this instance. Please take the matter up at WT:MOS if you are not happy about that. --Ohconfucius 03:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
• As for links to birthdays, it is not something that Smackbot has 'turned off' and cannot be 'turned on'. The consensus position established at WP:MOSNUM is that dates should no longer be linked unless there is good reason to do so; in such a case close connection (germane) must be demonstrable. Just so that it saves you from typing the date in the search box is, alas, not reason enough to link. --Ohconfucius 03:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Editing restriction

Hi Rich, just bringing to your attention my conclusion of the AN discussion. I've declared the proposed editing restriction enacted (cf Misplaced Pages:Editing restrictions#Placed by the Misplaced Pages community). It should not be a particularly burdensome restriction, and I hope you will take on board the remarks I made there, which I'll quote here: "I will say to Rich that the community recognises and appreciates the work you do in using and maintaining a range of powerful tools, but that with power comes responsibility, and you do need to ensure that you err on the side of caution in ensuring that these powerful tools, and your use of them, has sufficiently strong community support." regards, Rd232 09:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

OK it's not ideal, for many many edits, by many many editors include such changes (I hesitate to say almost all editors, but only slightly). You might like to glance at the section about "mixed martial arts", just copied to the talk page at WP:MoS, to see how seriously I take genuine objections, by editors who actually have an issue with the edit themselves, rather than on behalf of some slightly vague constituency. But no doubt this is the lesser of several evils. Thank you for your time. Rich Farmbrough, 09:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

I've stopped SmackBot briefly (I hope). Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Conclusion, and no doubt Femto Bot will copy the stop message in a second.. - Kingpin (talk) 10:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

This is the sort of dismissiveness for which you've been criticised repeatedly in this context, but OK. If you think the community as a whole supports what you want to do when there is no demonstrated consensus, it's up to you to organise/demonstrate one. Rd232 11:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Dismissive? I thanked you in two maybe three places. I am really floored - if you have read half of the discussion you will have seen that virtually none of it was about the "incidents" reported at ANI, but about not simply "no demonstrated consensus" but that there was anti-consensus. The ground gradually shifted as I demonstrated that was not so. In the end all we were left with was diff-bloat on automated edits, and as David Levy, who focussed on the point at AN said, this is no longer a problem. Xeno also said "we can put this one to bed". I am not objecting to the restrictions in that reply. I hope you did look at the MMA thread - did you? That is pretty typical of the feedback I have been receiving for four years. You said you "err on the side of caution" - I happened to think the MMA thread was an excellent example of that. Rich Farmbrough, 20:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

I don't want to discuss it any further but, for the sake of clarity, I was referring to "I take genuine objections, by editors who actually have an issue with the edit themselves, rather than on behalf of some slightly vague constituency..." Rd232 21:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Wasn't referring to you. Rich Farmbrough, 21:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC).

I understood that. Rd232 14:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

When I read the comment in question, "dismissive" was the word that entered my mind (before I'd reached Rd232's reply).

Perhaps it isn't intentional, but you do have a tendency to significantly downplay people's concerns. If an issue strikes you as trifling, you project this perception onto the individual expressing the concern (taking for granted that it seems trifling to him/her/them too, and assuming that he/she/they must be persisting on blind principle rather acting pragmatically).

Again, perhaps this is unintentional. But you need to make a conscious effort to adequately address good-faith concerns, including those that you regard as frivolous.

I wish to conclude this message by reiterating Rd232's mention of your many positive contributions. For obvious reasons, we're more likely to come to you with complaints than with commendations, but that doesn't mean that we (including the complainants) don't appreciate your hard work. —David Levy 00:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Well you are doubtless correct - Epeefleche, for whom I also have great respect, also remarked, in praising me with faint damns, that my responses can be "curt". My intention is merely to be brief, polite, and to the point. Much as I enjoy the word-craft of a longer reply, ISTM that "yes you are right, here's what I'm going to to/have done." or "Yes, that is what happened, and I can see the reason that it might be surprising, here's why we do it." has generated many responses of "Thanks for fixing that " or "Thanks for explaining that". It is also interesting that this particular explosion started on 24th of September, not long after I sat down, having caught up the "difficult" dating items and identified three substantial areas where work was needed, (one, the smallest, was spelling fixes for version 0.8 2,400 articles I think) and started trying to do all three by hand. What was acceptable diff bloat at my normal editing speed became a problem, which is fair enough. And the ensuing conversation certainly slowed me down. The other point where perhaps, in this case, I am dismissive, is the editing restriction itself, I am compelled to abide by it on pain of "escalating blocks" what more is to be said? (Although I have blogged on the surprising scope of it, qv.) Rich Farmbrough, 02:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

DNB

I've left a comment at WT:WP DNB#Bot_building about the new Magnus Manske tool in the area (Magnus put it together in a couple of hours after the meetup). I've never been exactly sure about the merits of importing text from Wikisource other than in an article: but I think the merits would be improved by a number of possible "added value" steps. One of those would be to take into account the output of this tool, and only import articles for the project to work on which come up as "none found" with that matching tool. I.e. remove or sort according to what the tool finds, which can be (a) no match, (b) very plausible match, (c) inconclusive run with numerous candidates none of which is a great fit, (d) > 50 hits. There is actually a good argument for first doing that sorting into four. The case (d) is one either for human intervention, or for another layer of matching attempt. Case (b) is the sort of stuff I'm going by hand, and invites work expanding stubs and adding the ext lk back. So anyway case (a) is the most fruitful at this point for an import.

And what else? Imported text should be topped-and-tailed in some way to make it more useful (will need a lead section, should finish with reference using {{cite DNB}} and attribution using {{DNB}}, both filled in with wstitle=). There is actually a lot of scope for stripping out parts of the article too: certainly the sections, and with more intelligence much of the inline refs between parentheses. NB the use of small caps within parentheses for author names, which should be a clue.

Charles Matthews (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Too seriously and not seriously enough

Can I urge editors to take things both less and more seriously.

• Take me, yourself, the apparatus, the process, policy, procedure, guidelines, hierarchy less seriously.

• Take the work - the projects - the content , the presentation, the inclusiveness more seriously.

Do less and do more

• Find out what you do that doesn't contribute to the encyclopaedia, and stop doing it.

• Find out what you do that improves it and work out how to do it 10 times better, how do 10 times as much, how to do it 10 times faster, or preferably all three.

Rich Farmbrough, 20:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

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Femto Bot, (possibly the smallest bot in the world) 20:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

SmackBot replacing entities with characters

On Rockstar (drink) SmackBot changed an html entity to the character it represents. If you use the character then it requires that font to be installed. If you use the HTML Entity it just requires a capable font to be installed. It's a UTF-16 character too. Enlormn (talk) 22:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Font substitution generally happens regardlessly. FWIW, Mediawiki/Wikipedia uses UTF-8 encoding… —Sladen (talk) 23:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.. er.. WHS. Rich Farmbrough, 23:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

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Never edited by BAG.
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Editing request

It appears that there are some 6,000 articles which are linked month-year (ie ]). Could you in some way integrate unlinking these into your AWB schedule? I can only manage 50 a day, at which rate it will take me over 3 months. Gracias amigo. --Ohconfucius 03:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

List of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episodes

Please weigh in on Talk:List of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episodes#Inclusion of episode segment links, so we can generate a consensus. Thanks, Fixblor (talk) 09:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Epidendrum radicans

"removed stub tag"

Thanks. That's so kind of you — Jay L09 (talk) 19:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Committee for getting things done

Getting things done? That would be a first for many LOL! Some people should take a leaf out of our book instead of sitting aorund moaning at ANI!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Translate Bot. Mmm now if that bot could be programmed to translate content from other wikipedias.... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it though? Rich Farmbrough, 08:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC).

AFD

A bunch of your articles (Martha Lipton et al.) is now at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/2010 October 28. East of Borschov 07:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 08:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC).

Red links

Hey Rich, would you happen to know how to fix the red link at Category:Articles needing additional categories from October 2010? and also the redlink'd category at the bottom of Category:Articles needing additional categories from September 2010? -- œ 08:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

'tis done. Rich Farmbrough, 08:29, 28 October 2010 (UTC).

Piping unambiguous wikilinks

Please do not pipe/convert Wikilinks such as "Boston, Massachusetts" to "Boston, Massachusetts". The latter is twice as long in the source to the editor, and more ambiguous to the reader (WP:EGG, WP:ASTONISH). Other editors have previously notified you of this behaviour. Please alter your scripts to do the opposite, where possible. —Sladen (talk) 10:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

How it this egg or astonish? I click Boston, I get Boston Mass - I didn't expect Boston Lincs. With the other layout I click Mass I get Boston. Rich Farmbrough, 14:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

Nor do I appreciate you hunting through my edits for something to take issue s with. Rich Farmbrough, 14:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

I wasn't going to comment, but I quite agree; not on Boston, necessarily, but you do it on other cities. {{city-state}}, which (long before deletion) used to provide a templated form of this, producing Boston, Massachusetts, was repurposed before recently being deleted. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

And you did do this on some articles I had watchlisted previously; this is not related to any current dispute between us, or the {{ucase}} problem. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

The issue of creating two links Boston, Massachusetts was a disputed one, quite reasonably as the visual distinction between Boston, Massachusetts and Boston, Massachusetts is slight at best, and the discussion changed my mind on the unambiguous nature of that transition. However the slightly leaner linking philosophy now prevalent would discourage the Mass link there anyway. The template was source-code cruft in many ways, of limited applicability, and it is probably good that it has gone. I would be interested to know if you agree that this is EGG or ASTONISH or if you have a different reason for finding it a poorer format. Rich Farmbrough, 15:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

Any chance we could just have a quick "thank you for pointing it out, I've now fixed it"? —Sladen (talk) 15:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

That assumes that there's something to fix. Far from the dismissive attitude that editors (myself included) have criticised, Rich is attempting to discuss the matter and explain why he regards his changes as helpful. If nothing other than complaisance will satisfy you, that is rather dismissive. —David Levy 16:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

As in "hunting through my edits for something to take issue s with."? —Sladen (talk) 16:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Well it's certainly the impression I get. And I was hoping we were putting this stuff behind us. Rich Farmbrough, 16:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

Rich's frustration is quite understandable, and he clearly is making a sincere effort to work through it. You're entitled to criticise edits with which you disagree, but Rich is equally entitled to defend them. —David Levy 16:53, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• FWIW if while stub-sorting etc I find a link to "Boston, Massachusetts" or Buffalo, New York I would usually change it to "Boston, Massachusetts, United States." or "Buffalo, New York, United States", if it's the first mention of the place (usually in opening/only sentence/paragraph of a stub), without first checking whether Boston, Massachusetts redirects to Boston. OK, Boston is a special case, being that rare phenomenon of a US city without state name in its article name, so in this particular case I'd be pipping to a redirect, but in general it seems better: each word goes where it says. PamD (talk) 16:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
  • "avoid linking ... the names of major geographic features and locations," (WP:OVERLINK#What generally should not be linked). I believe that a state or country probably falls within this. —Sladen (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Dates in persondata

Thank you for updating the persondata here; a quick note however that per WP:Persondata the birth and death dates should be in the format DD Month YYYY format or the Month DD, YYYY (with the month spelled out completely). Thank you, --Jezebel'sPonyo 15:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a good point. Since Persondata is for machine reading, however, I'm inclined to think YYYY-MM-DD is harmless ( I don't say preferable, because so many instances have spelled out dates that applications will need to deal with at least the formats supported by the time.php functionality.) Rich Farmbrough, 16:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

How would the program know whether you had used the YYYY-MM-DD format or the YYYY-DD-MM format? Using the Steven L. Thorsen example linked above, how would it know whether to read the date as September 11, 1953 or November 9, 1953? --Jezebel'sPonyo 17:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

There is no YYYY-DD-MM format. That's why YYYY-MM-DD is the only all-numeric format allowed on WP. (There are however thousands of cases of mm/dd/yy and dd/mm/yy - which I started cleaning up on or about the 24th of September. Must get back to that.) Rich Farmbrough, 17:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

Given that explanation it seems even more important to use the full month examples provided at WP:PERSONDATA. You happen to know that the date will only be read as YYYY-MM-DD, but the average editor likely will not. There is nothing stopping said editor from adding the birthdate in YYYY-DD-MM format in persondata, which will be incorrectly interpreted as YYYY-MM-DD by WP programs. This is specifically why it is requested to spell out the month in order to avoid any possible confusion. So, while your way of editing the date may not cause any issues with how the program reads the date, it can certainly cause issues with editors viewing the style you have chosen to use and misapplying it in other persondata templates. --Jezebel'sPonyo 18:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't know much about persondata or why it is calling for long date format but there is no system in the world that uses YYYY-DD-MM. –xeno 18:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Sanapia

Expanded.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Hopefully Rosie and I can compile more sources and DYK it. We are missing hundreds even thousands of notable articles like this across world cultures. Any entry in a national biography is notable in my view and as usual the nominator is confusing lack of content with notability. A quick google books search should have been more than enough to rid of doubt. I have no problem with short stubs of course, I created many in the past myself when I was faced with a similar situation, how do we go about getting notable content onto[REDACTED] which is misisng enmasse and encourage more editors to develop[REDACTED] whilst making the initial stub worthwhile? I believe any stub stands a better chance of it becoming a fuller article than if it was missing as at least its identified. The problem of course is actually getting people to do the work and expand them given the already huge backlog of substandard articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

please fix the ref error♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Risk list bot

I would love to see the BLP risk list turned into an ongoing bot. We could manage it as an ongoing queue by having the bot keep all the previous hits with context in a local file or DB on the backend.

For example:

• Bob Smithinson: accused of an affair with his

After this hit, "riskbot" would keep this in a local file or db, and then would filter it out of subsequent runs, context included. That way if the affair gets added back in with slightly different context, we'd get another warning. It would take all the "new hits" and append them on the bottom of the running queue page. As people check the hits, they'd remove them from the page. It's O(n^2) on the number of hits, but scrubbing one set of lines with another is pretty inexpensive, since it's just simple equality. Let me know what you think. Gigs (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

ANB stubs

I've just stub-sorted Janet Bragg. A couple of points occur:

• The commas before and after the bracketed dates will always need to be removed - could you do this automatically?
• Could you add "was a", so that the mini-stub becomes a sentence and is less likely to upset people? Ideally, of course, make it detect whether following noun is vowel or consonant and adjust to "an", but I think " X (dates) was a artist" is probably better than "X, (dates), artist".
• What's the scope of ANB? Are all the people written about "American"? If so, could you include that in the text - "X was an American Y" (also gets round the a/an problem!)
• I like the augmented stub tag {{-stub}}! PamD (talk) 08:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I'll take your word on the commas. They are not all American, but inserting a/an is trivial compared with some of the hoops. There are a few hundred, many of which will already exist, so I don't expect to get many stubs out of this, bu those that are created and don't need merging will be worthwhile. Rich Farmbrough, 08:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC).

Another thought (had to break off earlier because Mother wanted breakfast...): you could add {{bio-stub}}. Might be better if there are a large number coming through at once which would flood the stubs category - on the other hand, a steady trickle will get themselves sorted more precisely, as in this case, by human stub-sorters. PamD (talk) 09:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

It's almost worth trying to make the categories from the data. But as I said there's probably only a couple of hundred, where I was able to find archives of the ANB updates pages. I am doing relatively small batches at a time, because I am going back and turning a few into redirects. Rich Farmbrough, 09:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC).

Recent deletions

Hi,
On-base plus slugging (OPS), McGhee, Brownie, Ascending chain condition (ACC), Anatomical Therapeutic Chemical (ATC) Classification System and so on - were they part of a backlog for deletion of some kind? There's no specific reason given. Just curious.
--Shirt58 (talk) 09:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I think I understand. ] should obviously have been ]. Were the others duplicates of articles with similar names?--Shirt58 (talk) 09:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes I miss-created a bunch of redirects. Rich Farmbrough, 09:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC).

Gasp! And here was I, thinking only klewless n00bs made mistakes. Thanks for the clarification.--Shirt58 (talk) 09:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Redirects ending in punctuation

Rich, it seems you are (automatically?) creating redirects (see WP:AN). It was noticed that some of these redirects contain a useless final punctuation (e.g. Geometric mean,). Is there a mistake in the script? --Dirk Beetstra 10:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Rich. Just letting you know that the thread at AN is apparently still vaguely active, as Fram has just brought up your recent redirect creations there. What method are you using to create these redirects? It seems that your using the bolded text in the lede of the article to decided what redirects to create. This suggests to me that you're using semi-automated or automated methods. If you're using semi-automated (or automated), why is this not clear in your edit summary? If you're using semi-automated, then why are you making mistakes like the ones mentioned at AN? They aren't particularly difficult to spot. - Kingpin (talk) 10:21, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

RF, probably related: can you describe why you created these redirects? They are all from a bold text in the lead. And all strangely doubling by abbreviation. How could that be a serious "alternate name"? Algorithm involved?

• Eusebius (Bruno) of Angers
• Capability Maturity Model (CMM)
• Biathlon World Championships (BWCH)
• On-base plus slugging (OPS)
• Customer relationship management (CRM)
• Ascending chain condition (ACC)
• Anatomical Therapeutic Chemical (ATC) Classification System

-DePiep (talk) 19:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you do a search on "workplace" please

A while back you kindly did a search for me on section titles and redirect names containing the word "abuse". Please can you do exactly the same but with "workplace" this time.--Penbat (talk) 14:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes I can do that... redirects started. Rich Farmbrough, 16:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC).

• Redirects here. Rich Farmbrough, 19:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC).
  

Curious items

1. BPO
2. Sir James Hall, 4th Baronet
3. Index of dissimilarity
4. LSE/OS
5. Coasteering
6. LZ1
7. This Hour Has 22 Minutes' 100th Episode Spectacular
8. Christopher Tyler
9. Little Napoleons
10. Anfield Community Comprehensive School
11. Pishva
12. Synaptosome
13. LCER
14. Elizabeth Ray
15. 5S (methodology)
16. Tympan
17. King of O-Town
18. E-Governance
19. Maloka
20. PWN
21. ShakespeaRe-Told
22. Adam Stacey
23. Testimony of the Evangelist
24. Jaladat Ali Badirkhan
25. Jordan Belson
26. Joy in the Morning
27. Shah Paran
28. Legoman's Great Escape
29. Upasana
30. Welingkar Institute
31. Kendang
32. Khabran
33. Herr Pastor
34. Family Reunion (Rugrats)
35. Production Part Approval Process
36. Portal:Michigan/WikiProjects
37. CaVa Studios
38. How Many Ways
39. Barasat Government College
40. Desert Tree Frog
41. 1948 and After
42. Jwé
43. Parramatta Girls Home
44. Portal:El Salvador/Selected picture
45. Medical Council of Canada Qualifying Examination
46. Portal:Wicca/Quotes
47. The Tassels
48. Walter C. Young Middle School
49. Rhosmeirch
50. IRB International Sevens Team of the Year
51. Kaczory
52. Jon Dunbar
53. John Holtby
54. Mark Lock
55. Really Red
56. Credit scorecards
57. Lines in the Sand (book)
58. LandWarNet
59. Of Fox and Hounds
60. The Indian Sociologist
61. Lukwata
62. Chestnut Hill series
63. Pharmaceutical microbiology
64. Club Raja Beni Mellal
65. Portal:Middle Ages/Selected biography/3
66. LZ2
67. List of engineering colleges in Pune
68. Tangawisi
69. Portal:UK Trams/Fascinating Fact/4
70. Memnon (novel)
71. Collective protection
72. Raichur Thermal Power Station
73. The Body Lovers
74. Philadelphia Park Amusement Co. v. United States
75. Real Music from Chicago
76. Success!
77. Hanoi International American Hospital
78. Juliette Welfling
79. William Collings Lukis
80. Lloyd Trammell
81. The Practitioner
82. Fulminating silver
83. Experiments in Mass Appeal
84. Bang Kok
85. Truant Officer Donald
86. Godaikin
87. Just A Common Soldier
88. Mahmood Mosque
89. Krishnammal Jagannathan
90. William de Ferrers School
91. Le Petit Cirque et autres contes
92. Philippine All Stars
93. LB (Plastics) Ltd. v. Swish Products Ltd.
94. 2009 Premier League Malaysia
95. Kapilash Temple
96. Johan Hye-Knudsen
97. Hluleka Nature Reserve
98. Játvarðar Saga
99. Maharaja Udit Narayan Singh
100. Party of the Guatemalan Revolution
101. Vijayvargiya
102. Sattavisa
103. Heiko
104. John Ferrugia
105. Peekskill Hollow Creek
106. The Key to Rondo
107. Rice E. Graves
108. Round Midnight (Time-Life album)
109. Laagi Tujhse Lagan
110. Spinach Fer Britain
111. Camillo Ricchiardi
112. Al Angrisani
113. Der Jäger von Fall (1956 film)
114. Dynamo Theatre Company
115. IParty with victorious

Rich Farmbrough, 16:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC).

Curious in what sense, RF? -DePiep (talk) 18:43, 30 October 2010 (UTC)