| Revision as of 18:44, 11 November 2010 editTagishsimon (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, IP block exemptions, Pending changes reviewers81,201 edits *'''Snowball Keep'''. Obviously notable. If there are issues with the content which can be demonstrated with reference to verifiable sources then those issues should be hashed out on the article talk page. --~~~~← Previous edit | Revision as of 18:52, 11 November 2010 edit undoTHF (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers17,107 edits →Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System: Merge with the appropriate EST articles; the lawsuit (which never resulted in a decision or precedent) isn't independently notable.Next edit → | ||
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| *'''Keep''' Based on the references provided in the article, I have to disagree with the nominator that the lawsuit is "insignificant". It appears to have received wide coverage in major publications, which is not surprising given the prominence of the plaintiff. ] (]) 18:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' Based on the references provided in the article, I have to disagree with the nominator that the lawsuit is "insignificant". It appears to have received wide coverage in major publications, which is not surprising given the prominence of the plaintiff. ] (]) 18:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Snowball Keep'''. Obviously notable. If there are issues with the content which can be demonstrated with reference to verifiable sources then those issues should be hashed out on the article talk page. --] ] 18:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC) | *'''Snowball Keep'''. Obviously notable. If there are issues with the content which can be demonstrated with reference to verifiable sources then those issues should be hashed out on the article talk page. --] ] 18:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Merge''' with the appropriate EST articles; the lawsuit (which never resulted in a decision or precedent) isn't independently notable per ] and ]. No reason to fork this off from ]. Cf. also ]. ] (]) 18:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System
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This article is in violation of the policy Biographies of living persons. This article was not written to be truly about the lawsuit mentioned and is a Coatrack ( This particular lawsuit was filed March 3, 1992 and dismissed only 3 months later on May 27, 1992 and did not even go through the pleading process; this lawsuit is insignificant and as written only serves to damage a living person.)
This article appears to be written only to republish scurrilous allegations made in 1991 about a living person, which allegations were later proven to be untrue and the truth was published in numerous well respected media outlets: The Boston Globe, ABC, Time Magazine, LA Daily News, Business Wire. The false allegations were made during a 1991 broadcast of a CBS 60 Minutes program, and when the truth came out CBS took the unusual and appropriate action of repudiating the broadcast and removing the tape and transcript from public access: “The ‘60 Minutes’ segment was filled with so many factual discrepancies that the transcript was made unavailable with this disclaimer: ‘This segment has been deleted at the request of CBS News for legal or copyright reasons.’” The Believer. In light of the reliable published sources, this article is inaccurate and damaging to a living person, and I request that this article be deleted.
As interesting background information, this editor does seem to have a history of violating and specifically on Werner Erhard and topics related to Werner Erhard. This edit history shows that his NPOV on this living person, and related topics, spans a plethora of articles where he is the single biggest contributor: http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/Est_and_The_Forum_in_popular_culture 80% of the edits (211) http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/Outrageous_Betrayal 80% of the edits (273) http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/The_Hunger_Project 38% of the edits (220) http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/Werner_Erhard 26% of the edits (434) http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/EST_training 27% of the edits (244) http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/Werner_Erhard_and_Associates 38% of the edits (144) http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/Scientology_and_Werner_Erhard 38% of the edits (70)
It is concerning and against WP:BLP for an editor to continue to publish inflammatory and damaging statements while fully aware that there are numerous published reliable sources that refute those statements. I respectfully request this article be deleted based on WP:BLP violations. DaveApter (talk) 17:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. The article's subject satisfies WP:NOTE. The nominator's concerns have been already raised and addressed, point-by-point, at the article's talk page ( ). The nominator is exhibiting behavior similar to that of Spacefarer (talk · contribs), who was warned for spurious nominations of multiple AFDs on this topic. -- Cirt (talk) 17:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note, in response to "this article appears to be written only to republish scurrilous allegations, which were later proven to be untrue": read WP:V! The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Misplaced Pages has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true. —bender235 (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: The nominator has neglected to mention that I am the single most prolific contributor to Misplaced Pages of quality-rated-content on this topic. This includes one Featured Article (Getting It: The Psychology of est) and multiple Good Articles (Mork Goes Erk, Ney v. Landmark Education Corporation and Werner Erhard, Outrageous Betrayal, Werner Erhard (book), est and The Forum in popular culture). Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Cirt as usual, has created a Fine Article with a plethora of diverse sources establishing Notability and to Boot 60 minutes segements on it. Also Concerned about Open COI on the nom part (though I applaud his decency on being open about). If the Nominator has concerns about WP:COATRACK then the solution is to make it NPOV. However Cirt has once again created a Neutral (From my POV at least.) It is not an Attack page or Coatrack in my opinion. Also may i Note the stats you have cited are accuate but its worth noting that EST-Popculture, Outrageous Betrayal are both GA having gone through some form of Peer review and been promoted as Neutral and Factually accurate. YOu have also failed to provide any evidence Cirt violating and specifically on Werner Erhard and topics related to Werner Erhard. Please bring up such accuastions on the appropriate notice board as mudslinging here is counter proudcitve. Also you Cirts edits at Werner Heart seem to mostly be reverting vandalism and such . The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 18:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. —-- Cirt (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Keep Looks good and notable to me. Quite an important incident in it's own way. Not a coatrack at all. If the proposer states that it is out of date because there have been subsequent decisions made about the broadcast, then by all means up-date the article - with appropriate sources of course. Fainites scribs 18:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Based on the references provided in the article, I have to disagree with the nominator that the lawsuit is "insignificant". It appears to have received wide coverage in major publications, which is not surprising given the prominence of the plaintiff. 28bytes (talk) 18:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Snowball Keep. Obviously notable. If there are issues with the content which can be demonstrated with reference to verifiable sources then those issues should be hashed out on the article talk page. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- Merge with the appropriate EST articles; the lawsuit (which never resulted in a decision or precedent) isn't independently notable per WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:PERSISTENCE. No reason to fork this off from Landmark Education litigation. Cf. also Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Arthur Alan Wolk v. Walter Olson. THF (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)