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Sock questions...

There's another DavidYork71 sock. User:WhatItPlainlyIs. Same edits as the socks you checkusered over the last few days. Let me know if you need further explanation.

How do I set up a check user request at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/DavidYork71? Is there a quick template, or do I have to fill all the required headings out manually. I found it a little frustrating that there wasn't an easily to find "How to" for this. If there is, could you please send me a link?

Anyway, thanks for your help. cheers ---Merbabu (talk) Signing for archiving. TNXMan 20:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

many thanks for your help! Aminervi (talk) 22:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help in the Help Desk, I read some of the articles you pointed and as a new user I found them very very interesting and helpful. I'm mostly a self learner so now I know a lot! Thanks. Tlakuache (talk) 05:42, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I have a question. I've seen that the edit summary textbox is used to give a small description of your changes but do I have to write down an edit summary all the time? Even if the edit is very small? Is it wrong not to write an edit summary? Tlakuache (talk) 05:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

It's not wrong to leave the edit summary blank, but filling in something is useful to other readers. It tells everyone what your edit accomplished without requiring them to read through the entire diff. You can read more about edit summaries at Help:Edit summary. TNXMan 11:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

BS24

BS24 is on indefinite block for abusing multiple accounts. Why another admin would summarily block him for being an admitted sock, while you would not, suggests you're not suitable to review contentious SPI's. Unfortunately, due to your inaction, BS24 disruptively edited many other pages, and after being block for 3 reverts, another admin looked at this SPI page - which you would "not read"unless you got a Reader's Digest take on it - and figured it out quick. They got what you missed: BS24 is not a stale account and an admitted sock can not gain a fresh start. You were lazy and negligent. (Feel free to hide or delete this. Is there a process to file grievances against admins?) The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 17:37, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

So noted. TNXMan 17:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Weak. You feel any obligation to defend yourself or explain yourself? The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, AKA, while I agree with you many times, because usually you have strong arguments, and while I agree that the block of BS24 is a good decision, I think this discussions here is really not very helpful. Let it go. 82.135.29.209 (talk) 19:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Nah, no free rides for the pusillanimous. He needs to be called out for not doing his job. BS24 would be out of the way and we would be much closer to gaining consensus, and other pages wouldn't have to deal with possibly the most disruptive editor I have ever run across. He even waged war on the Ford Mustang page. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 20:13, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

No. Calling someone out is a very bad idea. Especially also in this case where I don't see any mistake of Tnxman at all. I also think that adding comments about BS24's personality are really not necessary. I think there is nothing positive you can archive in this way. 82.135.29.209 (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Artist - the fact that you have come here guns-a-blazing and demanding someone's head for not taking action suggests that you're not suitable to review checkuser/admin actions. Yes, I'm a fellow checkuser. Yes, I'm a fellow admin. Draw whatever conclusion you will. But here's what else I am - a fellow volunteer on this project. I can't speak for TnXman, but as a relatively new checkuser, I definitely feel pressure to get it right and avoid any hint of impropriety when dealing with private data. I even get that as an admin; see (for example) this bit, where I was practically accused of enforcing my own views (against policy) simply because I am an admin. Perhaps the pressure is self-imposed, but I personally feel like if other admins are going to rely on me to say "yes - the evidence suggests this" in order to block users (usually indefinitely), I'm going to want to get it right as close to 100% of the time as I possibly can. And furthermore, if I have had personal interaction with involved parties, I would probably consider it inappropriate to provide evidence that might get users blocked. I don't know if that's what is going on here, but I do see a message from BS24 earlier on this very talk page, which suggests to me there might have been previous interaction. You got a respectful "so noted" to your rant. I think you should have been satisfied with that instead of excoriating TnXman. You may disagree; you may wish for an explanation (and then ask for it)...but from what I see, you're overreacting here. How about a little helping of WP:AGF?  Frank  |  talk  20:51, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

First thing, there's decaffeinated. Tnxdude got all I want to give him. I could care less about any follow up. He knows what he did, and it's for him to live with it, or better yet, improve from it. Since you don't care to know what happened, I'll respond in kind and not care what you had to say about it. I honestly don't know what the greater part of your post said after your professed disdain for being informed. Try to protect your turf all you want. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 23:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

If TnXman got "all" you "want" to give him, perhaps you got all you deserve from him. As you state you "could care less about any follow up" (your words), perhaps you would be kind enough to do us all a favor and start "caring less", as you put it. You got a detailed explanation below, as well as at the original SPI page. You requested something a CU cannot provide, and CUs generally will not take administrative action in a case once they have weighed in as a CU. Your attitude on this page will not change CU or other Misplaced Pages policy, and it's highly unlikely to change community interpretation and implementation of that policy.  Frank  |  talk  04:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC) PS: If you have more to say on this matter (and I understand if you don't care to engage), perhaps either your talk page or mine would be a more appropriate venue.

About that foot of yours you just shot. I opened a non CU SPI. Tnx came across it in that state but he balked (whined, really) at having to read "all of this." How cute is that? He then claimed only stale accounts were at issue, and ludicrously suggested it might be a legit fresh start issue. (The idea that a blocked account in an SPI has to be fresh, no stale, implies a statute of limitations which even you know doesn't exist.) If you had checked out the SPI first you would no this, and you could have spared yourself the embarrassment of defending Tnx. As for scolding me, I'm gonna consider the source as insolent as the admin you are going to bat for. As for attitude, Your superior 'tude charms me just as much as if you asked me to shave your mothers back. It' s also typical of those lamely protecting their turf. You might want to stop before you fire at that other foot, Jim. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 05:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I think it's best we cease direct interaction at this point.  Frank  |  talk  12:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

No kidding. You just saved your other foot. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, Frank - the points you make are good ones. As a side note, I have not interacted with BS24 before this case. To briefly summarize this case:

1. I saw the case had been open for sometime, so I opened the page and was confronted with 30k+ of text. I asked for a summary (perhaps a litte abruptly? I don't think so, but I see how it could be interpreted that way).
2. After a summary was provided, it was clear that technical data would not be able connect BS24 to any previous accounts (because the older ones were  Stale). BS24 made this moot by admitting to being a blocked user returning under a different name.
3. I pointed out that the checkuser portion of the case was complete, since a) no technical connections could be made and b) BS24 admitted to being a blocked user. I suggested that SPI may not be the most appropriate venue for further action. Neither side seemed entirely happy with that suggestion and the case was left for a closing admin to review. Nakon closed the case.

Artist, you are free to bring this for review wherever you think is appropriate - I don't mind. I am saddened by the fact you think an "admitted sock can not gain a fresh start" - I know many have and are now productive contributors. In the future, if you feel I am not handling an SPI case correctly, please let me know, as I am always open to constructive criticism. TNXMan 22:07, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Clarification, an admitted sock who sought to avoid scrutiny is what I meant. And you would have known that this was exactly the case - if you had been diligent you would have noticed that myself and other editors did much to establish BS24 did not deserve a fresh start. You're supposed to block socks, not enable them, and Nakon, and other admins who dealt with BS24 et al., clearly weren't confused on that point. (Feel the lack of consensus?) Final suggestion, skip with the "I'm not reading all of this" , That's a snotty 'tude. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 23:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Aminami

Hi Tnxman307. You marked this user as a sock today (WP:SPI/Aminami (it was listed at WP:SPI/Hishmi before), and they've since been blocked but it looks very different to me - they've been here for years and don't sign their name before posting like the other confirmed socks. Is there a chance this user just happens to be editing from the same IP as the others, but isn't actually the same person? SmartSE (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

This user was on the same IP and same computer around the same time as the other accounts. However, when I rechecked, they were also on IPs not used by the socks. I'll ask another checkuser to verify my findings - thank you for bringing this up. TNXMan 20:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I've left a note on Frank's page asking him to review my findings. TNXMan 22:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. SmartSE (talk) 22:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm the findings above: same IP and same UA in overlapping time frames. To my way of thinking, CU is as much an art as a science, but when you find several editors from the same IP editing the same articles, and no other editors or articles from that IP, it's a pretty strong indicator. Is this 100% ironclad? Probably not. Is it highly likely? Yes.  Frank  |  talk  05:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

They've requested unblocking twice. The behavioural evidence is poor IMO - they have been edited for years and I don't see why they would create a new account (Hishmi) to write an autobiography about themselves. Surely it is worth AGFing and unblocking them, if they create any an article on Hishmi Jamil Husain then they can always be blocked again. SmartSE (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

CU on Andranikpasha

Hi Tnxman307. Thanks for checking the user. If not much trouble, I'll file another one shortly. Activeness of unregistered users in the current heated debates raises suspicion. Thanks! Tuscumbia (talk) 17:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Please see here . Thanks Tuscumbia (talk) 17:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

You deleted my page, while I was still working on it, if you would of given me a few minutes, it would have been completed with good cause, Thanks very much! PresidentCory (talk) 22:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Green Harvest Technologies

Hi- My first time doing this. Trying to set up a page shedding light on bio-plastics and a company that is pioneering it. Not trying to advertise services, only trying to inform people about the problem of plastics and the solution being developed. This seems like ver useful info to people concerned about health risks.

Please advise what part of this was non-wiki friendly and I'll make the edits accordingly.

Patkenny2010 (talk) 20:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it did not indicate why the group was notable enough to warrant an article. It was also a borderline advertisement. I would suggest reading our info on writing your first article, as that may assist you. You may also want to write a draft of the article in your userspace (something like User:Patkenny2010/Sandbox) where you can work on the article before moving it to the mainspace. TNXMan 20:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Question for you...

Hello Tnxman307,

First let me disclose my COI so as to not create any problems. I am an employee of Sleepnet Corporation, a fourteen year old company that manufactures gel sleep apnea masks.

I understand that it is not appropriate for an employee to write up the information on their employer for obvious reasons. However, I would like to see a page created in the interest of providing factual information that could assist the approximately 20 million individuals that suffer from this deadly sleep disorder.

Our top three competitors (Resmed, Respironics, and Fisher & Paykel) all have Misplaced Pages pages, and it is my hope that Sleepnet will have one too.

I thank you ahead of time for your consideration of the matter and your advice on how best to proceed for the common good.

Cheers, Jr2443 (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2010 (UTC) aka Jess

The article was deleted because it did not indicate why the group was notable enough to warrant an article. It was also a borderline advertisement. I would suggest reading our info on writing your first article, as that may assist you. You may also want to write a draft of the article in your userspace (something like User:Jr2443/Sandbox) where you can work on the article before moving it to the mainspace. You may also be interested in our articles for creation or requested articles processes, as they are appropriate venues with editors with a conflict of interest. TNXMan 20:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

AN discussion

I have raised a matter which involves you on the WP:AN --Scott Mac 03:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice. TNXMan 11:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Ola

Hey Tnxman, did you note that I added a new name and two new IPs to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Astrologist praveen? I didn't know how to do it properly; your help is appreciated. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, the IPs I can't comment on - checkuser won't publicly link them to named accounts. As for the named account, were you referring to Jainlegend (talk · contribs)? They turned up in my results (posted at the bottom of the page). TNXMan 16:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that you had taken care of them. Yes, that's the one--thanks. Drmies (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem! TNXMan 16:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Education Energy

Aloha, Why did you delete my post about Education Energy? Please let me know how to keep my post posted, you can reply to me at <blanked> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.52.72.210 (talk) 01:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it did not indicate why the group was notable enough to warrant an article. It was also a borderline advertisement. I would suggest reading our info on writing your first article, as that may assist you. You may also want to write a draft of the article in your userspace where you can work on the article before moving it to the mainspace. You may also be interested in our articles for creation or requested articles processes, as they are appropriate venues with editors with a conflict of interest. Finally, I have removed your email address to prevent spambots from picking it up. TNXMan 12:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Query, sock case Cmmmm

Any chance you could take admin action based on the strong behavioral evidence, at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Cmmmm? The sock's disruption has spilled over into causing wastes of time for multiple Misplaced Pages editors, and has trigged now three different Miscellany for deletion discussions that would otherwise have been unnecessary. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 12:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry I didn't get there in time, but it looks like the case has resolved itself. Let me know if I can assist in the future. TNXMan 16:10, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

No worries. It is  Done. -- Cirt (talk) 16:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of article Mirza_Faizan

Hi Tnxman307, This is Sameer. Just now I've noticed that you've deleted article on Mirza Faizan. Although my colleague who has written this article has given enough references to prove the notability but in vain. If you have any doubt about the notability of his contribution to Indian aerospace industry, you should first have marked it for review or correction. I have been one of Mirza Faizan's trainee and to tell you, hundreds like me have benefited from his initiatives. I am sure you sitting in other corner of the world have no idea of the importance of his initiatives to Indian aerospace industry and the laurels he has earned from industry leaders in India. Sitting in other part of the world and hitting the delete button is the easiest thing anyone could do. If wikipedia only contains article on anyone/anything about which everyone knows well, then what is new and learn-able things available here? Think over it! And let me know how this article can be modified to be included as an article on wikipedia Sameer1022 (talk) 08:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but your page was deleted because it was advertising for Faizan. I would recommend that you read our guide to writing your first article, as well as how to write with a neutral point of view. You may also find our articles for creation project useful. TNXMan 12:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! You should NOT feel sorry if you're 100% sure what you've done is right! Now, to the main point - Which sentence in the article appears advertising to you? This article goes against which policy so that you can label it as advertising? In fact, he has taken a very cautious approach while writing this article so that its neutrality is maintained. For example, Faizan was named as "Real Hero of Business World" by an international organization for his contributions (http://www.citehr.com/145117-real-heros-business-world-satyam-issue-lessons.html), and if you will google the string "Mirza Faizan + Satyam" , you will get to see no less than 10,000 webpages writing about it contributions to Indian Aerospace industry and his previous organizations. he has not even mentioned anything about this all, because he wanted this article to appear neutral. International aerospace magazine - "Aviation Week and Space Technology" has published an article on him and his contributions, which again he has not included here because he wanted to maintain neutrality!!!

Nevertheless, if you feel that this article is advertising then could you please Re-write the same article in a way that it does not look so? I really want you to guide us by re-writing this article!!! What is the difference between advertisement and information and who decides it? If someone is writing about Bill Gates, you may claim he is advertising Microsoft and Windows!! (Check article on Bill Gates and explain why a paragraph on Microsoft and Windows (A product of Microsoft!!!)) is available there??? Is that not advertising? Just because it is an article on Bill Gates, you allow advertising OR become silent over wikipedia policies??

Requesting you to please guide us how this article can be modified (we have checked all the pages you've mentioned and we feel he complied all given in wikipedia policies). But if you still feel that this article needs change, please make the change and teach us. We wish to contribute many interesting articles on aerospace & avionics, and we thought of starting it with the man who has inspired youngsters in India like me to be an aerospace engineers. We are sure you'll make good use of your administrative authorities and will take it constructively!! My best regards.. Sameer1022 (talk) 18:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tnxman30, What made you think that you can delete an article and not answerable? This appears to be a clear abuse of your administrative authorities. Misplaced Pages is a community and belongs to everyone. You cannot just delete an article based on your judgement and sit silent! You owe me an explanation Sameer1022 (talk) 20:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Language like "Realizing that a major challenge in the growth of aerospace industry in India is availability of highly skilled resources in aerospace & avionics domains, Faizan launched industry acclaimed SOAR (Student's Orientation for Aerospace Requirements) program wherein carefully selected bright engineers are extensively trained to be deployed in aerospace industry. Under his leadership, Avembsys launched India's first Aerospace, Avionics & Embedded Systems Technology Incubation and Research Center" has no place in an encyclopedia. It sounds like it came from a press release issued by Avembys and/or Faizan himself. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Stumble

Thanks to you I've found a new way to waste time on the internet. Acroterion _(talk) 14:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I feel like there should be a support group. "My name is John Doe and I'm a stumbler." :)

It's really great though, for sharing links - it's probably the most intuitive interface I've seen. TNXMan 15:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Restart on deleted page

I'd like to create an article on the CEO Connection group. I understand one was created previously by a username, CEO Connection so I understand it was considered advertising and not allowed. It was not intended to be advertising and the username choice was a bad choice on their part. The page's content is completely unbiased and is strictly to provide information about that organization and it's founding. I would like to be able to restart that article, keeping all content strictly neutral and only informative, as I am not affiliated with the company and am not using it as a sales tool. I look forward to hearing your advice. Thank you Entrep33 (talk) 22:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it did not indicate why the group was notable enough to warrant an article. It was also a borderline advertisement. I would suggest reading our info on writing your first article and how to use reliable sources, as those pages may assist you. You should also write a draft of the article in your userspace (something like User:Entrep33/Sandbox) where you can work on the article before moving it to the mainspace. You may also be interested in our articles for creation or requested articles processes, as they are appropriate venues with editors with a conflict of interest. Finally, I'll leave you a message on your talk page with some links to help you get started. TNXMan 12:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Are you saying the sources provided are not going to be reliable enough for this article to stand? Entrep33 (talk) 23:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

SPI linkage

Since you closed Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/CAFESDO I thought I should let you know, I think it's related to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/OSUHEY and have reopened that SPI to confirm the link (as well as throwing yet another sock into the pot). VernoWhitney (talk) 15:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I've added my comments there. Thanks for letting me know. TNXMan 16:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

And they've started right up again as WaverlyPike (talk · contribs) -- is there any way to stop them from just switching to new accounts for a longer period of time? VernoWhitney (talk) 19:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll look into it - thanks for bringing it to my attention. TNXMan 20:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Childhood Leukemia Foundation and User:Clf4kids

I wonder if you might consider reviewing either the block or possibly better the prod on this combination. It just feels a little unfair to block someone for spam and then prod their article for deletion when they aren't in a position to then defend it. Would AfD be a better avenue for deletion in this case? Just a thought. GedUK  15:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I have no problem putting the article up at AfD. Just a note though- this user did not create the article. It was created by User:Trilemma several years ago. Clf4kids edited the article because it was affecting their donations. I blocked them, then reviewed the article and saw it was pretty bare-bones. TNXMan 16:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

SPI question

Tnxman, sorry for the SPI listing the same username twice. It should have been for Karmaisking, but someone got overeager with copy-paste ... I also responded on the page. Ravensfire (talk) 17:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

hi

hi thanks for talking on spi. i worry that user log out to vandalize my page as IP. i dont care what user do it but i dont think it should go with no one caring. but wikipedia can not link them even in this case? SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it's a contravention of our privacy policy. The IP has been blocked, though, which will prevent further issues. If it persists, just let me know. TNXMan 21:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

there is no way to hold user accountable for saying X rated threats on my page? SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

What X rated threats? I only saw racism when I reverted. LiteralKa (talk) 21:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

i dont want to repeat it SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

So there were none, I take it? LiteralKa (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

are you trying to make me more upset? you curse at me on deletion discussion and stalk me on wikipedia so much i think it must be someone like you who would log out to say such things then delete it but it is confusing. SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Tnxman do i need to repeat it as he asks me to? SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You don't have to do anything, but it certainly would help your claims. I saw no threats at all when I reverted. LiteralKa (talk) 21:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

and why are you here SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Because you're obviously accusing me of sockpuppeteering. LiteralKa (talk) 21:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

i dont mention you by name. i think you are here to harass me. SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You are trying to get me banned because I disagree with you. LiteralKa (talk) 21:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

They have been held accountable - the IP has been blocked. I'm not sure what else you would like to see done here. Checkuser is not for fishing. TNXMan 21:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

i refer to Misplaced Pages:Sock puppetry "Logging out to make problematic edits as an IP" SunHwaKwonh (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)