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Other neat portal ideas for longer term

• Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:

1. Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
2. Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
3. Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
4. Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
5. If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.

   Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)

Note to self

• MakeRef
• Reflinks
• Citation tool for Google Books
• Citation tool for DOIs
• Tools, part 1: References, external links, categories and size

independent reliable secondary sources

• User:Citation bot/use

• {{findsources}}

Refs inside scroll box

<div class="reflist4" style="height: 200px; overflow: auto; padding: 3px; border: 1px solid #ababab">{{reflist|2}}</div>

Cite templates

<ref>{{cite book| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | publisher =  | year =  | location =  | page =  | url =  | doi =  | id =    | isbn = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news| last =  | first =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | language =  | publisher =  | page =  | date =  | url =  | accessdate =  }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite journal|last =| first=| authorlink=| coauthors=|title=|journal=|volume=|issue=|page=|publisher=|location = | date = | url = | doi = | id = | accessdate = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | publisher =  | date =  | url =  | format =  | doi =  | accessdate =  }}</ref>

Citation model

The Simpsons (season 3)

Body text in-cite

<ref name="REFNAME">], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>

References section

(reference template from WP:CIT)

*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>

Different model

• Template:Citation
• Template:Harvnb
• Example: <ref name="REFNAME">{{Harvnb|LAST|YEAR|p=PAGENUMBER}}</ref>

See models at The General in His Labyrinth and Mario Vargas Llosa.

More info. Cirt (talk)

More at Misplaced Pages:Harvard citation template examples.

And Template talk:Harvard citation no brackets.

Cirt (talk)

Dispatch

Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:

• Featured content overview
• Peer review
• Did you know
• Featured lists
• Good articles
• Featured sounds
• Featured topics
• Images
• TFA
• And Featured articles many times: Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches

None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)

Razzies progress

• 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
  • Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
• 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
• Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)

Cirt (talk)

Jennifer Fitzgerald drv

I'm not trying to argue (not that it would matter) but I would like to know your reasoning for endorsing deletion of Jennifer Fitzgerald. The afd procedure was extremely flawed and I am considering quitting Misplaced Pages if such standards (or lack thereof) are tolerated. Could you let me know your reasoning if you get a moment? Thanks --UhOhFeeling (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Just FYI, Cirt did not endorse deletion of Jennifer Fitzgerald. Cirt closed the deletion review discussion for Jennifer Fitzgerald, evaluating the consensus of that discussion, which was that the deletion of the article was endorsed by the participants of the DRV. As I've told you many times during the course of that discussion, that is the purpose of DRV. It is not a re-hash of the AfD. If you wish to see if you can develop an article that meets policy and won't be deleted, I highly recommend you visit WP:INCUBATE.  Frank  |  talk  21:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I will look into WP:Incubate. I appreciate the pointers Frank. Usually it seems like the closing admin gives a brief explanation for their decision and as consensus was an extremely close call here. I just wanted to know the closing admin's reasoning. I understand it is not a rehash of the afd of course (even though you and other editors {including myself} did do a good bit of rehashing). It is a "hash" of whether the closing of the afd was proper (as I understand it). I just wanted to know the closing admin's thoughts in hopes that it would give me a greater faith that Misplaced Pages's processes are fair. --UhOhFeeling (talk) 21:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Really?--UhOhFeeling (talk) 17:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Consensus was determine to be deletion endorsed of the closure of the prior deletion discussion. I would be more than happy to userfy a version of the article within a subpage of your userspace, so that you may work on a proposed draft version there - if you so wish it. :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Cirt, that's all I wanted to know. I already have a userfied version. I'm sure closing DRV's is probably some pretty thankless work so thanks for writing back. --UhOhFeeling (talk) 18:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Eva McConnell page

Cirt Is there any reading of the reasons given for deletion? JJR made the comment that Eva is not even a supercentenarian. Eva is the oldest person born in Australia since it became a nation. Australia is less than 110 years old. It becomes 110 on 1 January 2011. Libstar made the comment that it is ridiculous because she is the 4th oldest person in her country. But that is not the point. Edison made the point that being the 4th oldest is insufficient. But again, that is not the point. Yeti Hunter states that he/she agrees with JJR. (see above). The only person who does not make a mistaken point is David in DC. Anyone deleting the page must surely take this into account. Take away these mistakes and the vote is to keep. These people may agree with David in DC, but that is not what they said. Alan Davidson (talk) 03:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Consensus determined the article to be deleted, after the deletion discussion. However, I would be most willing to provide a copy for you to work on, within a subpage of your userspace, if you so wish it. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 03:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

What I am pointing out is that all the "delete" comments except one were in error. Surely that cannot be a consensus. I don't believe it is a matter of opinion. The reasons given for deletion were in error. My concern is to blindly delete based on incorrect reasons and perceptions. Alan Davidson (talk) 07:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Respectfully disagree with your opinion that it was "blindly" deleted. -- Cirt (talk) 07:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there can be different opinions which diagree; and I gave an example of that, namely David in DC. The others all gave reasons that were in error, making assumptions why the page was significant. I don't believe that is disputed. I believe that "blindly" counting the fors and against without looking at the reasons is the problem. I am asking you - don't you think the reasons count? I am happy for David in DC to disagree and others, but the others did not - they wanted it deleted for spurious reasons. The proper vote for the reasons is one against. Alan Davidson (talk) 08:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Not going to rehash the AFD at this page. Again, I emphasize to you my willingness that I would be most happy to restore a version of the page within a subpage of your userspace, so you can work on a proposed draft version there - if you so wish it. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 09:20, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I am asking quite politely for your rationale, which you seem to be avoiding. I suggested you "blindly" followed the votes without looking at the reasons. Please address my questions like "don't you think the reasons count?" Please don't fob me off. I sincerely am stating that all but one reasons against was wrong in fact, from either a biased or unbiased view. It seems so wrong to delete a page on these misconceptions. Alan Davidson (talk) 09:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Now you are repeating yourself and this discussion is going in circles. If you refuse to take my offer of userfying the page to a subpage of your userspace so that you may work on it further there as a proposed draft version, and your only desire is to re-argue the AFD over and over, then perhaps the next step is WP:DRV. -- Cirt (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I am politely asking for your rationale. Why avoid that? I am only asking again because you refuse. Should this go to arbitration? I thought it was a reasonable thing to ask? Truly. Look at my record, I am not beligerent. I am simply trying to point out what I believe is an error, and you respond by not responding. Please copy it to my page if you wish, but that is not what I am asking for? Please answer me. Alan Davidson (talk) 00:39, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Well almost a week and still no response to any of my questions. That speaks for itself. I understand the haste for your actions... I will now unwatch your page. Alan Davidson (talk) 03:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking for your input on this article

Hi Cirt, Jeff Bedford here. Over the past week, having searched for "Royal Holiday Club" and coming across an AfD discussion, I thought I could be of help as I am familiar with the subject matter. I am not employed by the organization; however as it happens they have been a client of my employer in the past and I see it best to disclose any potential WP:COI upfront.

Looking at the AfD discussion, it seems that the article in the past was blatantly promotional, apparently citing no reliable sources, and among other things did not appear to establish notability. Though I am not able to see what that variation consisted of, it likely contained little (perhaps no) encyclopedic content - so in the interest of building the encyclopedia, I've taken a stab at drafting up an article on this subject -- citing reliable sources, and aligning with Misplaced Pages's WP:CORP notability guideline. I've also paid particular attention to write in a manner consistent with WP:NPOV, reflecting all aspects of the subject including litigation.

Instead of merely posting the article to mainspace, I thought it best to get your initial feedback/thoughts on the draft that I've saved here: User:Jeff_Bedford/Proposed_Royal_Holiday_article. Cheers, Jeff Bedford (talk) 21:44, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Hrm, perhaps you could ask for input regarding your userspace draft, from those that previously commented at the AFD? -- Cirt (talk) 21:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Ahoy Cirt, thanks for the prompt response. I posed the question to user:Bearian; however of the three others who commented at the AFD, two are not recently active and the third has been banned. I realize that your time is likely in high demand, so if you happen to have the chance, I'd be especially appreciative of your direction. I am on the fence as to whether it is appropriate to be bold and move this article draft to mainspace. I feel that it is ready, but saw it as important to get a simple second opinion given the prior circumstances related to this subject. Warm regards, Jeff Bedford (talk) 01:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I would strongly suggest first checking with WikiProjects by posting to their talk pages, and also to active users at those WikiProjects. -- Cirt (talk) 02:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Will do -- thank you! Jeff Bedford (talk) 13:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

It is no longer blatently promotional, but it's not well-sourced, either. You still have only one reliable source, and three or four from trade publications. It needs more "beef". Bearian (talk) 21:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations

Hi Cirt, Really. If you are not prepared for information voluntarily provided by you on your talkpage and information voluntarily provided by members of a project to which you choose to join to be interpreted, I merely said that you "choose not to provide that data" or "did not appear to particiate", I fail to see how you can object when you propose to collect information, without their consent, on editors who nominate and reiew at WP:GAN. Pyrotec (talk) 09:34, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, I have replied to your comments at User talk:harej#Karma system. I can understand that you may not like the use that I made of certain data, but the request for tools to provide data of this type would enable any such tool-user to do the same (or worse) on any nominator and/or reviewer at WP:GAN (and possibly WP:FAC, DYK, etc, if the tool could be user-tweaked). Any tool without safeguards that is intended for "good" purposes can also be used for "bad"; particularly if introduced covertly. P.S. I'm not implying that my use was "bad", but others might. Pyrotec (talk) 10:59, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Geometry guy has made a valid point: "The status of GA depends upon its integrity ..... Any proposals should be evaluated against that goal". The covert implementation of data collecting tools when it is abundantly clear that there are subgoals (not necessarily yours, but they are there) of forcing nominators (aka DYK propsals) and/or embarrassing those who don't have the "right" nomination/review ratios and "poking" editors when the queue is considered too long, hardly seems compatible with Integrity. Strong opposition has been made on this and anticipated "pass mine - I'll pass yours reviews", etc, resulting from such actions. Sprinking claims of WP:Point making about when there is abundant opposition (not only mine) to both forced reviews and "peer pressure" hardly seems to consist of Integrity. You probably know enough about the system to get me banned, if you chose, but as I review of the order of 150 WP:GAN nominations a year that is hardly going to improve the system. Pyrotec (talk) 11:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, so could you. Your initial initial proposal was to change the GAN system requiring editors to bring their GAN nomination/review ratio into some sort of "balance" (I am deliberately vague, here)" (see Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations#Proposed change to GAN instructions = all nominators must review) and a useful discussion developed. Numerious objections were raised. There was also a "war of words" against Rd232 on this dual DYK/GAN topic of "balance". You then initiated discussions regarding setting up a karma system and moved the discussions to set up a bot for a trial run despite knowing that other editors propose other uses for the data. Quite frankly, you don't like the use that I made of your data, but you are covertly with Harej setting up systems to collect it on other editors who use GAN. You also used Harej's talkpage as a forum for mildly attacking me. Interesting, it seems that Harej might be intending to set up such a data gathering system. There has been no attempt to notify past, present and future nominators/reviewers at WP:GAN that such data is to be collected, knowing full well that other editors propose to make other data of the data; and Harej has air brushed out any concerns of mine that such data gathering may be illegal without the necessary editor's consent in some countries such as Germany. I might be wrong, but the fact that neither you nor Harej is prepared to comment on this and the discussions were removed under the pretext of "petty vindictive" is interesting. I return to Geometry guy's point: "The status of GA depends upon its integrity. We are all required to assume WP:AGF, but these kinds of actions don't help the cause. Pyrotec (talk) 14:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I see that you are personnally attacking me again on Harej's talkpage: naturally I responded. It seems that User:Rd232 is semi-retired, perhaps your are getting lonely? By the way, what about "Please stop with the repeated use of attacking and negatively commenting about individual contributors", or does not not apply to you? Pyrotec (talk) 23:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Israel-Palestine editing

Hi Cirt, following the recent deterioration in editing of the Israel-Palestine set of articles, I've set up a page to discuss the problem and possible solutions at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Arbitration Enforcement/Israel-Palestine articles. Your input would be appreciated. PhilKnight (talk) 15:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the notice, will take a look. -- Cirt (talk) 18:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Studiodan/draft material

Hi there Cirt. Thanks for closing the above discussion. I know it wasn't particularly difficult to discern the consensus... Anyhow, part of the nomination is a request to delete the past history of User:Studiodan; I know that's an unusual request, but that history duplicates the objectionable material and isn't needed for attribution of the current block template. Do you mind doing that? I really see no need to retain any trace of this material. Thanks in advance for your reply. — Gavia immer (talk) 19:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done! -- Cirt (talk) 19:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. — Gavia immer (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

removing delete/deadend message

{{helpme}} Hi Cirt! I have tried to improve my page. When is it safe to remove the possible delete warning/notice at the top? Thanks! Melges450 (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

What page? Where? Link please? -- Cirt (talk) 19:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

"Premature" Submission

FYI, the situation here, which you participated in, has been resolved. I expected one of the admin coordinators would have seen my reminder on our noticeboard and would have deleted it before it was noticed by anyone else. Sorry for the confusion, Sven Manguard _Talk 19:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

No worries! -- Cirt (talk) 19:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I have a request for you or another passing admin. I placed it at the linked area at the top of this thread. Thanks. Sven Manguard _Talk 20:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

If it is alright, I will defer on that, to one of the elections folks. -- Cirt (talk) 20:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'd like to ask again, since I don't think anyone else is going to do this, and I really want the rap back. It was a gem, and I doubt anyone will think of it as controvertial for you to transport that content to my sandbox. Sven Manguard _Talk 23:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried asking any other admin who is involved with the elections process, in a post to their user talk page? -- Cirt (talk) 23:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

That would have been entirely too logical for me up on my own. I'll go do that. Thanks. Sven Manguard _Talk 23:56, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I just messaged him, but he dosen't seem to be on, no contributions in two hours. We'll see where this takes us. Thanks, Sven Manguard _Talk 00:11, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Sven, your statement is still onwiki at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010/Candidates/Sven Manguard/Statement. It's only the transclusion that's been removed from the candidate statements page. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:14, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

<deep voice>I have reclaimed the rhyme</deep voice>. Again that was far too logical for me to figure out. Thanks Newyorkbrad. Sven Manguard _Talk 00:28, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

WP Bacon in the Signpost

WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Bacon for a Signpost article to be published November 15. This particular article will look at WikiProject Bacon as an example of how new projects get started. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. I'm going to cook some bacon now... -Mabeenot (talk) 20:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done. -- Cirt (talk) 21:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bob Adams (American football)

On 6 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bob Adams (American football), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cbl62 (talk) 12:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 12:06, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

The Game of Peter Rabbit

I've withdrawn this nomination because I won't be able to do the research in the next 7 days. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 15:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't think granting more time would help. To meet the broad in coverage requirement a considerable amount of time would be needed for the research, and, frankly, I cannot invest that amount of time in research that in my estimation will end without producing any significant results. Potter's design is 100+ years old, was never published, and, for that reason, had no impact on the world of board games in general. It was simply a typical chase game using Peter Rabbit as a motif -- a spinoff to indulge Peter Rabbit fans and a gimmick Potter devised to promote sales of her books. Eventually the motif was used to save Warnes from complete ruin. If reviews of the game or its impact on board game culture are not found in materials about Potter I doubt if they will be found anywhere, and, while other Peter Rabbit games have been published since the original, it is doubtful whether they owe much to Mary Warne's version. If they do, it is unlikely reliable secondary sources will be found establishing a connection. Thanks! Susanne2009NYC (talk) 16:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Alright. -- Cirt (talk) 00:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Is 48 hours required?

For the in between time on Good Article reviews that are on hold? It seems kind of unnecessary if i've addressed all of the points already. (Silver seren) 165.91.173.213 (talk) 00:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Depends on when I get a chance to revisit it. -- Cirt (talk) 00:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I just wanted to ask. And let you know that i've finished with the changes. Whenever you get the chance then. 165.91.173.213 (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. -- Cirt (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

SPI case

Just an FYI, your SPI link is dead. I checked Betacommands directory and there is nothing either. -- DQ (t) (e) 01:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry I do not know what you mean or how to fix that. -- Cirt (talk) 01:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Deleting page "Amotz Shemi"

Dear Cirt,

I was wandering why the page "Amotz Shemi" was deleated. Amotz Shemi finished his PhD in Astrophysics but for the past 7 years has been involved in the bio-med world (Medinol & Silenseed). I understood in the past that the page was deleted as there was confusion if this was one person or two combined. Could you please let me know if it was deleted for a different reason?

Thanks

Gili —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gilifocht (talk • contribs) 08:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Deleted after AFD process discussion on Misplaced Pages, at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Amotz Shemi. -- Cirt (talk) 09:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Since you were the closing admin for the AfD for Shakti (2011 film)‎, I am letting you know that I have removed the AfD template on the article you seem to have missed. Cheers.--  Forty two  09:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 00:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tory Christman

On 7 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tory Christman, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that former Scientologist Tory Christman trained actor John Travolta in his initial Scientology coursework? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Cirt (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Tory Christman

		The Content Creativity Barnstar
		For your outstanding DYK work on Tory Christman. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 17:11, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Edwin Ubiles

Would you mind restoring Edwin Ubiles? He is now a professional basketball player, which satisfies notability. ~EDDY ~ 17:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

It was a poorly sourced WP:BLP. You can create a well-sourced version cited to WP:RS sources, and/or I could move the deleted version to a subpage of your userspace, and you could improve its sourcing there, before moving it into article mainspace. -- Cirt (talk) 00:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I reverted all your changes back

I reverted all your changes back because this was no vandalism and this are legitimate edits. But I would accept that this edits are wrong if somebody else reverted them back, who could explain to me why they were so wrong. I do not think that your explanation was sufficent.Xpjohn (talk) 19:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

No. It is POV pushing, disruptive non-consensus edits across multiple pages, and likely, block evasion. -- Cirt (talk) 00:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Chandra Levy

Thank you for undertaking the GA review. I wait your analysis and stand ready to make any necessary changes. Racepacket (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I noticed the ongoing discussion at the GA Review subpage. I will get to it soon. -- Cirt (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I admit that my edits are wrong

I admit that my edits are wrong, please give me a chance to be a good editor.Xpjohn (talk) 13:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The sock should refrain from socking as with Clearcrash1 (talk · contribs), and stick to its main account Cmmmm (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Regarding this:

Okay, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 15:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I admit that I´m Cmmmm but I can not stop editing because I´m addicted to wikipedia.Xpjohn (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Gospel of Luke

I noticed you locked Gospel of Luke. I agree with the locking. I posted a comment on the talk page, regarding what the dispute is. Maybe you could leave a note on the matter?RomanHistorian (talk) 17:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done. -- Cirt (talk) 17:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System

On 8 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that after the plaintiff in the lawsuit Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System filed a motion to dismiss the case, he mailed checks for US$100 to each of the defendants? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cbl62 (talk) 18:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 18:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Significant discussion?

What exactly are you looking for when you say that you want more "significant discussion" in the Critical Reception section of Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass? (User:Silver seren) 165.91.166.182 (talk) 23:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Anything really. Perhaps more than just snippets of quotes, maybe two or so quotes where it is full sentences. And/or a few more additional reviews/sources. And/or just more in-depth literary criticism. -- Cirt (talk) 23:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Better now (if you can just give a cursory glance and opinion, you obviously don't have to dissect it)? 165.91.166.182 (talk) 23:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

A bit better. "He ended with saying that..." sounds sorta awkward wording. Might need more copyediting throughout. -- Cirt (talk) 23:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll go see if I can get the prior copyeditor to just take another sweep over that one section and the first paragraph of the Themes section, since those are the only two things i've changed. 165.91.166.182 (talk) 23:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Marcus Williamson

Can you please reinstate the article on the journalist Marcus Williamson, which was just beginning to take shape? Thank you.

Other Misplaced Pages articles which link to that page can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Marcus_Williamson

80.42.221.179 (talk) 11:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Was deleted after WP:AFD deletion process, at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Marcus Williamson. -- Cirt (talk) 12:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Msm041/Tetrafusion

I've restored the article which I'd userified in the process of closing the DRV, which you were doing simultaneously. While the deletion was endorsed, there's nothing particularly problematic about the article from a BLP perspective. I assume you didn't see who moved it? I'm all ears if you've seen a problem I missed. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 17:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

IP Block Exempt

Thanks much. I appreciate it. - Nellis 19:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

No worries, -- Cirt (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Gbiasi

Cirt, could you chime in at User talk:Gbiasi? He's asking for a review of his username block, and I can't see anything obviously screwy. I presume there was some other activity going on at the time, but I'm missing it. thanks! Kuru (talk) 22:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, I unblocked the account. -- Cirt (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Beauty, thanks. Kuru (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Help

I created page I Love Bacon! and i wanted to you to look it over(its a stub right now). I dont know why the title is in italics. Spongie555 (talk) 06:01, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Heh, okay, I will do some research on this. -- Cirt (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

I notice that you are working very hard over at DYK. I appreciate your dedication! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Your kind words are most appreciated! -- Cirt (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Law

As part of a revamp of the portal, I've adedd Portal:Law/Selected article/9, in a blatant bid to win your support if and when I take it to FPOC! Bencherlite 15:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, forgot to warn the IP. Thanks for that. I'll try and keep an eye on things. Bencherlite 15:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet

On 10 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in the children's book Mission: Earth, astronaut Thomas D. Jones describes using specialized radar technology to measure carbon monoxide pollution on the Earth? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for apology and undertaking to not treat others as you have treated me

Cirt,

I previously made several edits to Misplaced Pages, about a year ago. I approached them carefully, and I feel that you Cirt, dealt with me arbitrarily, and did not give due consideration to my acting in good faith.

The edits I made were with regard to Georgism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Georgism&diff=prev&oldid=300020159 and http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Georgism&diff=prev&oldid=299028068 ) Local Currency ( http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Local_currency&diff=prev&oldid=182470175 ) the American Monetary Institute ( http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=American_Monetary_Institute&diff=prev&oldid=182077522 ) and the Way to Happiness ( http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=The_Way_to_Happiness&diff=prev&oldid=315443336 ).

Of these, the only one that persists is the one on Local Currency. There was an agreement about the second Georgist edit, but it has since been lost in revisions.

Previously to making several of these edits, I posted to the talk page about making them, see : http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:American_Monetary_Institute ; http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Georgism&oldid=299051494 - which indicated a good faith attempt at edits, by posting edits to the discussion for a given web page, as suggested on that web page.

The posting made to my user site by you was a boilerplate/cookie cutter comment which showed no investigation as to the context and my own history of asking first, and making an effort to be reasonable about my my edits. I had in fact only put in the "fact" comment on another article. This is what you could have done with regard to my own edits, together with a suggestion that there be a dialogue about it, with you developing things in stages.

I was willing to agree to have some content taken off if was seen as not appropriate, I'm not sure about the conflict of interest claim, but I was certainly willing to discuss it at the time. Separately, the manner in which you operated left me cold to Misplaced Pages. My issue is not about any particular edit, but rather the way you conducted yourself.

The Mencius reference was done in good faith; I put in a web link because it would be easily verifiable, while I had a paper reference.

Likewise, the comment on the American_Monetary_Institute was done in good faith; the lack of content has since prompted bots to give it a "stub" status, with a suggestion that "you can help improve this page". Great. Yeah. Like I'd be motivated to after my experience. I still assert that my content was neutral and worthwhile for someone trying to make sense of Zarlenga's position. At the time I'd pushed things with the Mencius reference didn't have the stamina to go on.

I would like an apology from you on this and an undertaking to treat other new edits more fairly, making an investigation of the context of their edits and putting in "fact" comments rather than immediate edits, and not putting kneejerk boilerplate / cookie cutter comments on their talk page.

The whole experience has left me cold. I believe I make good faith and generally worthwhile edits to Misplaced Pages; I might have contributed more, but do not feel this will ever be the case. In any case, I would appreciate the above apology and undertaking from you.

JohnAugust (talk) 21:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the bulk of your edits were non-constructive. They included inserting spam links , and posting of unsourced material . -- Cirt (talk) 21:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

You have made a bland assurance and not engaged with my content at all.I challenge your claim. If you do not engage with what I am saying I will take this to dispute resolution. JohnAugust (talk) 04:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Wrong. I cited diffs of your spam links , and your blatant insertion of wholly unsourced info . -- Cirt (talk) 06:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Blatant ? While trying to figure out what was what, I noted on the chat page the material I intended to post. I think that in fact shows my genuine intent, my good faith, something you refuse to recognise. Further, you've not proven all the material is as you assert - I ended up putting in the Mencius quote in an agreed fashion - clearly the edit was genuine. Other edits could be likewise genuine if you don't assume that what you say is the case merely because you say it is. In addition, you've not engaged with the material I've put forth in my initial comment above. That's what I meant, and it should have been pretty clear. I plan to take this to dispute resolution around the 20th of this month, unless you make some engagement with what I'm saying. JohnAugust (talk) 09:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I gave you two templated warnings, no more, which is the appropriate manner in which to deal with new users adding spam links, unsourced info, and conflict of interest material. -- Cirt (talk) 13:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Energon (power source)

I know it's been a while since the AFD, but I'd appreciate it if you could userfy Energon (power source) for me.

Thank you for your time, --Divebomb (talk) 09:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Divebomb/Energon (power source). -- Cirt (talk) 13:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Hopefully I can address the lack of references that caused the deletion in the first place now. ----Divebomb is not British 16:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Welcome message

In fact, I'm Baylink@en.wp, but even 6 years later, Mediawiki *still* does not have a "add your username and password to a posting, and post as logged in" feature, and I was too lazy to retype it all. Nice bot, though; thanks.  :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.94.26 (talk) 16:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Yrsukrutt alt of User:LyfjahonnunGroup1

It looks like the Lyfjahonnun group has created a new account. Since you used a spamblock and not a softerblock, I figured I'd let you know. We may need a subject matter expert in order to figure out whether these contributions are constructive or not.

• User:LyfjahonnunGroup1/Discovery and development of dual serotonin and norepinephrine inhibitors
• Discovery_and_development_of_dual_serotonin_and_norepinephrine_reuptake_inhibitors

Then there's the original article:

• Serotonin–norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor which seems to overlap almost completely with the article that lyfja is trying to push.

I'm not sure what needs to be done to untangle this. Gigs (talk) 17:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggest you file a report to WP:SPI. -- Cirt (talk) 17:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Is that really the way to go? I mean we did ask them to change their username or create a new account because it was against policy. Gigs (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Hrm, perhaps WP:COIN. -- Cirt (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -- Cirt (talk) 17:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Not at all. I read the article and found it most interesting - and sourced up to the eyeballs as is the norm with your work. Fainites scribs 18:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I had to do that on Attachment therapy and other attachment articles for the same reasons. You have to be prepared to source every sentence, post long quotes on the talkpage and cite qualifications/publishers and what have you for the sources. SPA's have various ways of getting round this that you kind of get used to. The AT socks used to conduct polls to state sources said the opposite of what they actually said. The anti-Bowlby editor used to start new articles and then remove selected posts from discussions to new talk pages leaving the meat of the argument behind! Fainites scribs 18:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The only solution I've found is meticulous sourcing, posting chunks of sources on the talkpage and maintaining an icy calm. SPAsock behaviour usually becomes apparent over time but it's hard going.Fainites scribs 21:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:OUTING

Please review this policy, and don't make that irrelevant and offensive personal attack again. In case you didn't notice, I was the one who made the other AFD nomination. Review WP:COI, too, before you falsely accuse me of violating it. THF (talk) 22:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You self-disclosed your COI, here . -- Cirt (talk) 22:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

And I disclosed it in the AFD itself. Which is what WP:COI asks one to do. So why are you making a false accusation that's (1) entirely irrelevant and (2) a personal attack? THF (talk) 22:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Hooray

For removal of unsourced articles from the main page. The chattering classes at Talk:Main Page are pretty ridiculous; calling for a decrease in compliance with core policies eg WP:V by replacing FAs with random unsourced articles, instead of bothering to look for an article that is actually sourced. lol YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. ;) Hope you are doing well, -- Cirt (talk) 14:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

IP address and user having suspiciously similar edits

Sorry to bother you with this. I couldn't really find a forum where this would go. I went to portal film looking for an administrator and found your name there so...

I have been editing the article mumblecore for the past few weeks. One anon editor User:99.48.214.16 has been taking out films listed as mumblecore, with references indicating some connection to mumblecore. I have been adding them back in. Today, an editor User:Ohwhataslaughter removed the same three films but gave an edit summary, something I requested the IP to do. Because of that, instead of reverting the edits, I took the conversation to the talk page.

However, the edit histories of the IP and Ohwhataslaughter are very similar, although the last time Ohwhataslaughter edited wikipedia, before today, was 2008.

I am wondering if this is something that should be pursued or not? XinJeisan (talk) 08:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest filing a request at WP:SPI. -- Cirt (talk) 14:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Your comment blanking on Talk:Sharron Angle

Some good reason for this, Cirt?24.18.132.13 (talk) 11:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

This is block evasion, see the IP's block log. -- Cirt (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Unblock request fromTropicallanterns

There is an unblock request at User talk:Tropicallanterns. The user is offering to change user name. A quick look at their edit history does not give me the impression that their is any problem, so I am inclined to accept the request, but thought it better to check with you first. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

No objections to an unblock in that case. -- Cirt (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

alt text in infoboxes

Hi. I was adding alt text to an image in I Love Bacon! and went to do it for the image in the book infobox as well, but they don't seem to have that facility/option. I had the same problem with the play infobox at La Tosca. Given the requirement for alt text for FA and DYK images, I would have thought infoboxes should have it, or at least an option to add it. Any suggestions? Voceditenore (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I am not the best expert on that issue, sorry. :P -- Cirt (talk) 14:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Your harassment

Please read the WP:COIN introduction:

Please note that the conflict of interest guidelines do not require editors with conflicts of interest to avoid editing altogether. An editor who has disclosed a conflict is complying with the guideline when they discuss proposed changes on a talk page, or make non-controversial edits in mainspace consistent with other Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Furthermore, accusing another editor of having a conflict of interest in order to gain the upper hand in a content dispute is prohibited.

Then please apologize to me and strike your false allegation. You're going to get both of us sued. THF (talk) 14:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)