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	== Not Full Italian American. ==

	In a recent article, published it is stated that, her father is Italian American, while her mother is of, French and English decent. Please Note the change ASAP. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:The family tree on her mother's side has been discussed before, eg in ]. The problem is that some of the sourcing is not very reliable. In from May 2010, Lady Gaga is said to have contacted the ] about her English roots.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
	No, roots web is not reliable. Her mother is half Italian and half French. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Maybe in the Gaga family collective imagination. Since that thread linked by Ian above, which I feel rather bad about now, I have discovered the so-called ], right here at Misplaced Pages (my knowledge of Scottish and Northern Irish history is not the greatest). It appears they were once nicely landed before falling into obscurity. More research should be done on the later history of the Irish branch of the family, probably Gaga's ancestors, making her a cousin of the ] and the celebrated ], whose great-great-great grandmother was the heiress Margery Bisset(t) of the ]. I was surprised to learn they came to Ireland so early, in 1242. It is possible she descends from either the Scottish or Northern English branch, and perhaps the possibility of the latter has inspired her... or that story is just nonsense (a strange thing to make up though). But given the location of her mother's family since the 19th century I am personally more confident they will be Scottish/Irish Normans who later got mixed in with the proper Ulster Lowland Scots-Northern English of the ]. There may also have been Bisset(t)s who came to Ireland then. I hope to get around to putting some of this, avoiding OR, in the Bissett family/Clan Bissett article, and should contact my team here. Looks like Margery/Mary above is also an ancestor of ] and the last ] . Sexy. Maybe Gaga has a little pedigree after all. Her mother's family could descend from a near relative of Margery for all we know today. ] (]) 17:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
	::So it looks like Bisset(t) is a known Scotch-Irish surname, and nearly all if not all will in this case be, meaning when Scotch-Irish, of the Irish branch. However, there are a number of the family in Canada and these would seem to be of the Scottish or Aberdeenshire branch. There is a Bisset family in Nova Scotia for example. So conceivably Gaga's mother's ancestors could have been Scottish Canadians and come down at any point (I have some myself). The first reliable one is probably this Raison/Reason Bissett born in 1822 in Pennsylvania, whose father is given as one Jacob Bissett alleged to be identical with one Jacques Pascal Besset born in 1796 in Quebec. This is possible but doubtful in my opinion. Perhaps they retain some memory of a Canadian origin and the similarity of the surname to the French one made Quebec look obvious. But a Canadian origin of any kind could be later speculation that eventually became family tradition. This is fairly common when a surname allows for speculation and for some reason the lineage has been lost. I still think the family is ] and thus of the Irish branch of the Bissetts. Many Scotch-Irish went to Pennsylvania, for which read that article. ] (]) 19:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
	:::I'm having fun, and although this is still about Gaga I feel a responsiblity to this interesting family in West Virginia now. I have more sources and now know the "source" of the (direct) French or French Canadian origins claim. In 1920 one Marion Bissett, a cousin of Gaga through her mother and grandfather, published a Bissett family booklet on the history of the ] and therein we find the claim that Jacob Bissett was French. But according to census records he was actually born in ]. Thus regardless of his lineage he is probably not identical with our Jacques Pascal Besset of Quebec mentioned above. This innocent mistake is likely the eventual product of someone's educated guess which became family tradition. Also, distant cousins of Gaga have independently researched the line themselves and do not give a (direct) French or French Canadian or any origin for Jacob and simply have him born in 1786 in Maryland. His forbears still might have been of recent French origin but this is no longer likely in my view, for the following reasons (coming soon): ] (]) 23:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
	::::Can we please have an official source and not some tabloidy shits like ''Daily Star''? And can we cut down on the OR? — <font color="blue">]</font> ] 04:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
	:::::What are you talking about? So far, believe it or not, you haven't seen the real thing here (OR). Why don't you cut down on the source of that attitude? ] (]) 07:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
	So I will eventually be creating an article on the ] to cover their history in Scotland and in Ireland, and also to discuss their uncertain origins in some detail. It now looks possible they were actually Greek Normans, as claimed in an important Irish source, although a Teutonic origin, whether Norse or Frankish, can also be supported. ] serves its own purpose for modern Scotland and its strange laws concerning the current and former nobility, the Bissetts at present belonging to the latter, but is not suitable for the fascinating history of the sept in medieval Ireland or their modern descendants. Whenever the new article starts, which could be a day or weeks from now, I'll let everyone here know.

	As promised, however, and without original research (OR), I have reliable sources which would, were a paper or volume to be written on the subject, support the argument that Gaga's maternal grandfather's lineage is in fact Scotch-Irish as that classification is understood in America. First of all, we have Jacob Bissett, evidently born in Maryland in 1786 and who is obviously not Jacques Pascal Besset of Quebec. Jacob moves to ] and there marries Sarah Enochs, herself born there in 1778 and who may or may not have descended from a Dutch-gone-Swedish family (who knows?), and the two have Reason/Raison, and at least one other child Brice Brison. Now none of any of this so far tells us Jacob was Scotch-Irish, that is ''besides his Scoto-Irish surname Bissett'', but this source more or less does:

	* Morrow, Paoli S., The Scotch-Irish of Fayette County, PA.", in ''''. 1893. pp. 166-77.

	That article only covers selected individuals and Morrow does not mention the Bissetts. What he does say, however (p. 166), is that ''Maryland'' was one of the principal sources for the families of Fayette County. This claim we can ''easily'' support with lots and lots and lots of sources, which state that Maryland was in fact a principal source of the Scotch-Irish basically everywhere in Pennsylvania, including Fayette County. Here are two nice ones. And now we get to go back from Maryland to Ulster and understand it all.

	Jacob Bissett was Scotch-Irish. Saying ''more'' might be original research but maybe I'll come back just to tease you with a little speculation anyway. The noble family in Ulster actually persisted on some of their lands into the 16th century. In any case I'll tell you when ] is up and started. ] (]) 00:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
	:Before all that, let me state clearly that even with genetic tests it may be impossible to say whether Jacob was descended from the Ulster Bissetts or from cousins in Scotland who may have migrated to Ulster later. Even though they surely lost touch after a time, they all belonged to the same family in the 13th century. Historical cases can be made for either but unity and common inheritance should be stressed. ]s can make claims to and inherit whatever it may be, as can those through the female line. Adoption of the mother's surname, or grandmother's, is a well known practice in the British Isles and so it is the case that many large families, and especially Scottish clans, have acquired a number of paternal lineages over the centuries. There are also ], but these are far less common because people were easily killed for such misbehavior until only recently. There is a small Bisset(t) DNA Project ongoing, if you happen to be reading this and are one, are related to one or know one, and several paternal (]) lineages have already been discovered, for the moment actually separating the Scottish and Irish branches of what we know historically to be one family. Curious. It can't be said at this point which if either might preserve the original. Perhaps the ] might support the Greek origin reported in the 17th century Irish source, and this might also interest (for a moment at least) my pal ], who knows that haplogroup better than anyone around here since he's written a paper on a subclade of it. I will be my duty to contact the administrator of the project, who doubtless won't know his Irish sources well (most humans don't), once I have the article up. But I know mine, some better than others, which is why this is fun. By the way I am not a Bissett, am not related to any and have never met one. I'm just tired of people trashing Gaga, who I listen to all the time when I do my research on this and that.

	:It turns out the Bissetts were one of the most prominent noble families of Late Medieval Ulster according to the authorities. Stay tuned. ] (]) 04:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

	::Guys please be reminded, that this is not a forum, and lets not deviate too much from the subject in consideration. — <font color="blue">]</font> ] 07:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
	For anyone who is interested, I have begun to assemble the primary sources which I will eventually use for the article at ] (click the star to watch the page). This may end up becoming an article principally on the history of the family in Ireland, since I have discovered they developed a relationship with the O'Neill dynasty and I am equipped to discuss the aspects of this and other important developments, especially in their sovereignty. They soon enough got an O'Neill princess out of it, and at some point before or after began to act like something like ] (princes) themselves, according to the documents. Earlier in Scotland one Bissett had already married a daughter of one of the kings from the House of Dunkeld, a dynasty itself probably of Northern Irish origin. So the Bissett family did very, very well in both nations, for a time. Whether Gaga has the Scoto-Irish or Scottish only lineage she (and most Bissetts) will have some distant ] royal ancestry. Many people do of course, like yours truly (southern Irish), but this is still a pleasure to discover.

	Sadly the Irish Bissett pedigrees do not survive to my knowledge and so there is only genetic testing to discover or reestablish lineages. If the family, who seem to have lost their lordship by the mid-16th century, had remained in good shape a little longer then their pedigrees would have made it into the 17th century compilations of ] and ]. The Battle of Cnoc Buidhbh in 1522 probably ruined them, leaving them too weak to defend against their encroaching kinsmen and "friends" the MacDonnells, who eventually grabbed the lordship, basing their claim to it on the marriage to Marjory a century and a half before. This still exists today in part, belonging to the ], who although technically a Kerr does descend from the MacDonnells and through them the Bissetts. ] (]) 23:29, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
	:Hopefully I will have the article started in less than a week. Then it can be expanded over time. Most importantly I am now familiar with the majority of the primary sources for the history of the family in Ireland. Which Hugh (Aodh) O'Neill was the father of the Princess Sabia (Sadhbh, pronounced like ''sav'' or ''sow'') is no longer possible to discover. Either she was a daughter of Aodh Reamhar, King of Ulster, or Aodh, Prince of Clanaboy, who were fairly close cousins by Gaelic standards in either case. Probably the former. The Irish Bissetts will have other Gaelic ancestors but the O'Neills were clearly the leading source. As far as recorded Scottish Gaelic ancestry, I have encountered criticism of the 17th century Fraser account claiming John Byset married a daughter, Agnes, of William the Lion of the House of Dunkeld, but this isn't the end of the world because Byset was a prominent and wealthy courtier and royal families commonly produced scores of illegitimate children.

	:If you are interested in the genetic history of the Bissetts and the others you should also, in addition to the already linked ], have a look at ], ], ] and ] among other articles. These articles are not perfect and a little difficult, but are for the most part nicely sourced and much better than you can find elsewhere. Misplaced Pages is fortunate to have some very well informed contributors in some areas. ] (]) 21:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
	===up===
	]. The article will grow slowly. I have it outlined, but the family have not been well covered in Irish scholarship and so the secondary sources are limited. They are discussed a little in some recent scholarship but I do not have these papers. Hopefully other editors will contribute as well. I will make as many of the primary sources available as I can find, and thankfully nearly all of these are online at the (]), the ], and Googlebooks.

	Yes, unbelievably we are on Lady Gaga's talk page. Time for an admission. I soon enough discovered that I could benefit from studying the history of the family. There are a variety of uses for what I have found. Importantly they are a wonderful example of ] in Late ]. In any case, it is my belief that our dear own Lady Gaga's maternal grandfather is somewhat more likely to have the Irish lineage than the Scottish, although a genetic test might reveal anything, or very little. It at least appears that some Bissetts remained in Ulster following their dispossession, and the ] were mostly from a region of Britain where relatively few Bissetts, at least today, are native. The Scotch-Irish incorporated more than the Ulster Scots, including a small variety of the native Irish, to whom the Irish Bissetts by that time belonged. There is little more to be said right now. ] (]) 15:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
	:If anyone is following, I have some of the origins section written. But now I need to learn a little Greek, possibly even Byzantine Greek (maybe only a word or two). A Greek origin for the family is likely unprovable but should be explored as much as possible. Also we've just gotten some help from a nice person, for which see ]. The article will actually contain some history, eventually, and I've learned from another editor here that it became a free-for-all in the mid-16th century with several families claiming their share of the lands after the Bissetts went under. Sadly we'll never learn exactly what happened after the battle or night ambush of 1522 but the family were no longer viable. They had already been ravaged by the Earl of Kildare a decade before, surely for being supporters of the O'Neills. The ] will be expanded to include O'Neill's supporters slain at the camp. Thank ] for creating the article. ] (]) 03:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
	I'm sure Lady Gaga herself is not aware of all her family ancestry as you seem to be interested in. It's not that this topic's completely irrelevant, just it has nothing to do with who Gaga is as an artist and should be kept to a minimum. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Actually she checks her Misplaced Pages article, or people watch it for her, and has undoubtedly seen some of this by now. When I first got interested in her back in March, I watched some interviews and read this and that and found she is quite class conscious. Convent of the Sacred Heart is one of those schools which attracts families who imagine themselves to have some lineage or purpose for being and Stefani belonged to the group or class imagined to be without that, one reason why her family were denied whatever they were denied, which Gaga was upset about in May. And her family didn't even classify as exploitable "new money", merely being newly "comfortable". I wish I knew more about the Italian American experience but know that they continue to have some difficulty gaining acceptance and suffer from stereotyping still. That her Italian background is lower to working class she could do absolutely nothing about. They look like fine people to me and hopefully we'll see more of them become successful.

	:Kids whose parents came from lower or working class families but who then make a little money usually become preps. The dynamics of New York City may be a little different from what I'm familiar with but Stefani's parents appear to have followed the classic pattern and Gaga got fashioned into something of uninteresting appearance. Have you seen the pictures? But she was too talented and too spirited for that world of pretensions and at some point it lost her.

	:It turns out that all along her mother was walking around with the name of an old noble family and does not seem to have known it. The Bissetts were of far greater status in their time, very long ago and worlds away now, than probably any of the families whose children Gaga might have gone to school with at Convent of the Sacred Heart. Sure her small sept now hail from West Virginia but the knowledge that they almost certainly have, however distant, nobility and some royalty in their past would have given Stefani and Gaga a different consciousness. No one can state the extent of her maternal grandfather's influence in her life and genetics but certain knowledge is understood to be restricted to lineage, however thin or however "bent" through the female line, and can still recall ancient privileges.

	:I don't plan to insert any of this in the article. This is a fine purpose for the talk page, which is not being misused. ] (]) 00:07, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
	::And this thread '''does''' help the article. It's what you'll have to refer to when the inevitable "also French, etc., on her mother's side" reappears. ] (]) 19:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
	{{collapse top\|Irrelevant to improving the article, and largely uncivil}}
	::No, the talk page is for discussing improvements related to the article. I suggest you cease adding useless stuff, lest I will archive this whole section for irrelevant commentary. — <font color="blue">]</font> ] 08:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
	:::<small>Personal attack redacted <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">''']''' </font>]]</span> 19:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</small> ] (]) 08:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

	What on Earth?! ] --<span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;">]]</span> 17:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
	:Middle Earth? When someone sounds like they live in the Lord of the Rings and pretends to have special powers then they're fair game. Legolas is a respectable enough technical contributor and polisher but here at Gaga he's gotten into the habit of hounding me. Check the archives. And I hate anything to do with elves, admittedly not his fault. Just typing this is making me cringe. ] (]) 19:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
	::And this thread '''does''' help the article. It's what you'll have to refer to when the inevitable "also French, etc., on her mother's side" reappears. ] (]) 19:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
	:::Hounding you? I think it's more of a low tolerance for nonsense. --] (]) 23:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

	::::''']'''. It looks like that. Really he's just trying to look like he's in charge, probably an aspiring admin. Are you trying to tell me I've been posting nonsense? If you are then I'll point out your contributions to Misplaced Pages have been remarkably negligible so you don't really get to talk. I've created over 80 articles, none of which have been deleted, so this subject is hardly my entire life. ] (]) 00:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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Edit Request: New Photo

On the edit page, it says there must be permission to have a photo change. Instead of Lady Gaga in the cheetah print, could we please switch it to a photo of her from Lollapolooza 2010. The purple jacket and her hair look very good. I believe it gives her a better impression among people who do not know much about her. Please look over this photo change request and really consider it!

Thanks so much!

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Offending the public is not a consideration in selecting an image. The most representative image and best picture of her is. Did you have a free picture taken at Lollapalooza in mind? —C.Fred (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The image would need to be copyright free to meet WP:NFCC for an infobox image. It would also need to show Lady Gaga's face clearly, which is sometimes a problem. It's unlikely that a real cheetah or leopard died to make the costume in the infobox, it is just animal print.--♦IanMacM♦ 07:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, per WP:NOTCENSORED, offending people is not a problem. (Furthermore, it's kind of obvious that she doesn't care about offending those opposed to wearing animals after the meat dress fiasco...) But a new image isn't totally out of the question, it just has to be of high quality, show her face, and other editors have to agree to its use. Possible replacements: File:Lady Gaga Glitter and Grease2.jpg, File:Gaga at monster booth2.jpg (but this could possibly cause an issue as her hat covers a part of her face). –Chase (talk / contribs) 17:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Both the pictures you posted, donot show the artist's face properly, and is hidden behind the shades. I would propose a different one, like this, although people would complain that it shows blood. A crop would do the job though. Frankly, I don't see any reason to replace the image we have at present. — Legolas 05:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

The requirements are that the subject's face is shown clearly, which it is in both pictures (or at least the Monster Ball one, but I still think the CES shows enough of her face that it would be permissible). WP:IQR#Ability to recognize does not prohibit sunglasses and they certainly don't distract from the fact that it is undoubtedly Lady Gaga in the pictures (see the FA Michael Jackson as well), not to mention that they're probably two of the highest quality Gaga pictures on Commons. –Chase (talk / contribs) 13:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I know very well about IQR, however that is not a case when a perfectly taken, full frontal picture of the subjectr is present. A clear face pic is always preferable over an image wearing shades. And all images in Monster Ball category are high resoolution only. — Legolas 16:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

There's a difference between high resolution and high quality. And both of the images I posted, especially the CES one, are perfectly taken and of very high quality, definitely of higher quality than the current infobox image. I would like to see which policy or guideline says we can't use pictures where the subject is wearing sunglasses. There are plenty of images of Michael Jackson in the Commons where he isn't wearing them and his main infobox image is one where he does, and that article is a FA. The goal is to get the highest quality picture possible where the subject is easily identifiable. Both of those images meet the criteria, and arguably moreso than the current. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Legolas2186, the current picture of her looks manly, to a point. Plus, it's not one of her best photos out there. Why not make Gaga look her best on a site that so many people visit? Sunglasses really do not matter. It actually is apart of her and it represents Gaga and her fashion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Griggj12 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Better plan. The person from who we got that G&G image, has exceptional high quality images from the your. She is willing to release it under the SA domain if requested. I think I will write up to her to release one of the better images, other than the G&G one. The one which shows her face clearly. — Legolas 05:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

These two are probably the best choices. Very high quality, very clear shots of the face. The first image is more flattering but the second image has an excellent shot of the face. Ask her if she can license both of these so we can see which works better. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:56, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Lol, you are right, the second image will probably stir up more controversy amongst users. I was wondering, what do you think of this one? — Legolas 03:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

It's a little too grainy and bright. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Just gimme a list of images she can SA. She won't release all of them I'm afraid. — Legolas 03:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The two images I posted above, and anything you might want licensed. –Chase (talk / contribs) 07:44, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Chase (for the first one), despite i'd prefer to put this one or this because it shows more about the personality of Gaga (her extravagance). Lxhizy! (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

So did you guys get any photos licensed and what not? 71.115.176.58 (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I found this one in the wikimedia commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Lady_GaGa_cropped.jpg

Sorry IP, too old. — Legolas 10:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, there's no policy/guideline that says we must use the most recent images available. An image from 2008 is perfectly acceptable to use, especially since Gaga does not look much different now. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, why the hell would we want to use that when there are much more recent images? — Legolas 03:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

New Album Name

The album name has changed to "Almost Perfect". http://www.billboard.com/#/news/billboard-bits-gaga-calls-new-album-almost-1004128006.story —Preceding unsigned comment added by Itachisan125 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Lol, are you even serious? — Legolas 15:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Aha. Just stop. 71.115.176.58 (talk) 00:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC) What do you mean. I put out a reasonable and appropriate source providing for what I said, if thats good enough for you spoiled nerds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Itachisan125 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

You seem to have misunderstood that article, the album is most certainly not called 'almost perfect' - Jer757 01:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

lol, that was the funniest thread on a wikipedia talk page XD, she means that the album itself is almost perfect in terms of recording and arranging.--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 13:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Goodness, no Gaga said her album is almost perfect.. it's definitely called "Born This Way". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.217.18 (talk) 00:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

It says right in the first sentence of that source article that the title is "Born This Way". Apparently, the OP only read the headline -- and stopped reading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.104.58 (talk) 02:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Fashions of Gaga?

Q: I thought she had a house of Gaga or something but i don't see a separate fashion area, anyone know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.3.142 (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

"Germanotta" vs. "Gaga"

I was just reading a few other articles and saw that usually, the real name is referred to instead of the stage name. ie for Fergie (singer): "Ferguson was a member of the female trio Wild Orchid, which she fronted with Stefanie Ridel and fellow Kids Incorporated star Renee Sandstrom." The article continues to refer to her as "Ferguson" throughout.

vs. for Lady Gaga, "An avid thespian in high school musicals, Gaga portrayed lead roles as Adelaide in Guys and Dolls and Philia in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum."

Should this not be "An avid thespian in high school musicals, Germanotta portrayed lead roles as Adelaide in Guys and Dolls and Philia in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum."? Has there been past discussion of this?

Also - I was just thinking. Is it acceptable to refer to her as simply "Gaga"? Has that become her de facto last name? Save-Me-Oprah 18:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

There was past discussion. A quick search (via the box in the header) turned up Talk:Lady Gaga/Archive 5#Gaga/Germanotta. Since she's known best as Lady Gaga, WP:SURNAME indicates that it is acceptable to refer to her as Lady Gaga throughout the article rather than Germanotta, per WP:SURNAME. As for shortening it to just Gaga, in a functional sense, it functions as either a last name or a title of nobility—and in either case, WP:SURNAME permits using just Gaga. —C.Fred (talk) 18:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify for Save-Me-Oprah, the part of SURNAME that this would fall under would be the one about artists who are best known by stage names but use their legal names professionally. Fergie has used her legal name professionally, unlike Gaga, which is why using "Germanotta" is not appropriate. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:56, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Movie and television by Lady Gaga

As actress:
- The Gospel of Mark for Little Children 2009: role as Madja Look
- The Sopranos (Television Series 1999–2007): Girl at Swimming Pool #2 in "The Telltale Moozadell" (#3.9) 2001 (GaGa's Sop-rise appearance)
As play sountrack

Newone (talk) 03:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Credited as S. Germanotta. Not as Lady Gaga. — Legolas 04:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't matter as they're still acting credits by her. Not sure how notable the Gospel of Mark film is but the Sopranos appearance is definitely notable and is worth adding. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Should we add a table?

Year	Title	Role	Notes
2001	The Sopranos	Girl at Swimming Pool #2	Uncredited extra "The Telltale Moozadell" (Season 3, episode 9)
2005	Boiling Points	Herself	Credited as Stefani Germanotta

Stephenjamesx (talk) 23:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I feel its unnecessary to add a table. And I don't find the Boiling Point appearance also as notable. I will work a way to include The Sopranos appearance. — Legolas 08:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Boiling Points was somewhat notable. It shouldn't be omitted. –Chase (talk / contribs) 01:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Languages

It's stated that Born This Way will have songs recorded in four different languages. I've checked the sources and none of them are reliable. It says that the guy is only trying to persuade her. There is no official statement from Gaga or any of her affiliates and we can't know for sure that the album will contain said songs.--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you give a gist of what is written in thew article? — Legolas 17:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't get you. The source says that said person is trying to persuade Gaga to do some songs in other languages such as Russian. There was no official response on behalf of Gaga or any proof that she was recording any multi-lingual songs.--196.218.126.73 (talk) 09:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Associated Acts

I saw this on several other artists pages. Is there any reason why an "associated acts" line is not on the info block on the top-right on the page with here picture. It would make sense to include Semi Precious Weapons, Lady Starlight, and Space Cowboy in it. It almost seems weird to leave them out.163.118.213.59 (talk) 06:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Associated acts are referred to bands or acts who would have performed for a long time alongside with the artist, ie Gaga. SPW are just opening for Gaga, and cant be associated. LS did not perform alongside Gaga. She was just the DJ, same for SC. A previous consensus resulted in the removal of the tag from the infobox. I suggest you do a search of the archives. — Legolas 07:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Record labels

Has there been any discussion on the record label tag in the infobox? Presently, both Def Jam and Cherrytree are included. However, she is no longer signed to these labels. Should there be a date (ie 2006 and 2007-2009, respectively) next to them? Right now, it looks like she is signed to ALL those labels at the current. Save-Me-Oprah 21:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

If she isn't signed to them, yes that is exactly what should happen. --Cprice1000talk2me 22:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

No. See Template:Infobox musical artist. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Chase. The labels—current and past—are presented per the documentation for the infobox template. —C.Fred (talk) 00:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Classically trained or entirely self-taught?

OK, it's been established that she's been playing the piano since she was four, and learned by ear. What I would like to know is, did she at any point take up piano lessons or did she always rely on her own skills? Because I've read elsewhere that she was classically trained, so I'm entirely unsure. And can she read music? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 05:09, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

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