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:::::::::::You might as well be trying to argue with a bot. You're wasting your time. I don't do things that I think are against policy. Two reports have been filed. Four sockpuppets have been blocked. I will continue to file reports when there is sufficient evidence of sockpuppetry to merit a report. End of story. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 22:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC) :::::::::::You might as well be trying to argue with a bot. You're wasting your time. I don't do things that I think are against policy. Two reports have been filed. Four sockpuppets have been blocked. I will continue to file reports when there is sufficient evidence of sockpuppetry to merit a report. End of story. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 22:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Of course, if you want to continue lobbying on behalf of a person who disrupts the project by making be my guest. It won't end well for you though. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 23:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC) :::::::::::Of course, if you want to continue lobbying on behalf of a person who disrupts the project by making be my guest. It won't end well for you though. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 23:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I am not lobbying on anyone's behalf, although I understand how experience has taught you that this kind of innuendo can get people sanctioned. The fact is that you proxy edited on behalf of an editor that was not able to make an edit by himself due to restrictions placed on his editing. If I'm not mistaken that is against policy.
::::::::::::How is this not going to end well for me? Do tell. ] (]) 15:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


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    Gilabrand

    Gilabrand blocked for three months; previous sanction set to expire 00:00, 1 May 2011 (UTC), or two months after being unblocked, whichever comes first
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    Request concerning Gilabrand

    User requesting enforcement
    Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Gilabrand (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Gilabrand is "required to discuss any reverts they do make on the talk page, in English, within 30 minutes of the revert".


    2-3 days ago a user in these edits removes:

    • "Under Israeli law, West Bank settlements must meet specific criteria to be legal. In 2009, there were approximately 100 small communities that did not meet these criteria and are referred to as illegal outposts."
    • "Among the legal leading scholars who dispute this view is" "Schwebel, a judge of International Court of Justice and Professor of International Law at Johns Hopkins University makes three distinctions specific to the Israeli situation that show the territories were seized in self-defense and thus Israel has more title to them than the previous holders. Professor Julius Stone also writes that ”Israel's presence in all these areas pending negotiation of new borders is entirely lawful, since Israel entered them lawfully in self-defense.”"
    • "Israel maintains that a temporary use of land and buildings for various purposes is permissible under a plea of military necessity and that the settlements fulfilled security needs."
    • "In 1967, Theodor Meron, legal counsel to the Israeli Foreign Ministry stated in a legal opinion to Adi Yafeh, the Political Secretary of the Prime Minister, "My conclusion is that civilian settlement in the administered territories contravenes the explicit provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention."
    • "The legal opinion, forwarded to Prime Minister Levi Eshkol, was not made public at the time, and the Labor cabinet progressively sanctioned settlements anyway; this action paved the way for future settlement growth. In 2007, Meron stated that "I believe that I would have given the same opinion today.""
    • "The Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that the power of the Civil Administration and the Military Commander in the occupied territories is limited by the entrenched customary rules of public international law as codified in the Hague Regulations and Geneva Convention IV."
    • "International law has long recognised that there are crimes of such severity they should be considered "international crimes." Such crimes have been established in treaties such as the Genocide Convention and the Geneva Conventions. .... The following are Israel's primary issues of concern : - The inclusion of settlement activity as a "war crime" is a cynical attempt to abuse the Court for political ends. The implication that the transfer of civilian population to occupied territories can be classified as a crime equal in gravity to attacks on civilian population centres or mass murder is preposterous and has no basis in international law."


    2-3 days later after these texts have been removed from the article, Gilabrand reverts all these things and re ads them to the article:. And as can been seen at the talkpage, she did not discuss her reverts within 30 minutes after the reverts as she is obligated to do, she did not discuss them at all: --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    She has had many topic bans and blocks: So she has been warned. Her last block for violating the same thing was two weeks ago.

    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    Admin can decide.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
    • Gilabrand was recently blocked for seven days for refusing to leave comments, as required. See this AE request from 3 December. It was noted there that she had declared on Nov. 4 she was refusing to follow the restriction:

      I will NOT leave comments on talk pages unless I feel it is useful and contributes to improving the article. This is a sanction that goes against Misplaced Pages norms, since the person who complained about me retracted his statement. I will continue to edit as necessary, reverting tendentious edits and removing unneeded tags that are placed on articles out of some political agenda or spite. I will continue to copyedit as necessary, and add content and solid references to articles. I will NOT leave comments on talk pages unless I feel it is useful and contributes to improving the article. I will NOT take part in the ridiculous semantic debates that certain editors initiate to bring the state of the article to a standstill. I expect the above message to be struck from the page, as it has clearly been put there in error. Administrators with a chip on their shoulder should be dismissed from the project--Geewhiz (talk) 07:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

      This is a very clearcut case. I recommend that Gilabrand be asked to change her view on this. If not, a lengthy ban from I/P should be considered. EdJohnston (talk) 17:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
    • Her blocks this year came almost entirely from failure to observe her earlier topic ban - last time she was topic banned she got five blocks. I doubt that placing another topic ban would be useful. I propose a one-month block, and think we should proceed straight to blocking in all future incidents involving this user, since restrictions are not useful if the user is not going to observe them. T. Canens (talk) 19:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
    • I would favor a three month block, given the block log. Looie496 (talk) 00:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
    • I blocked for three months, in line with Looie's suggestion. The violation here is indisputably, and this makes Gilabrand's seventh block this year for violating ArbCom sanctions (two different ones). For this sanction, she specifically said she has no intention of abiding by the restrictions placed against her. She seems to be going through with her threat, hardly going a week since her last block for violating the same restriction. I'm not sure how many second chances you think someone should get, but I certainly believe Gilabrand has received her fair share. The original restriction is set to expire on 1 May 2011 (UTC) or two months after being unblocked, whichever is earlier. -- tariqabjotu 04:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

    Request concerning Nableezy

    This thread should serve as ample warning; no other action taken.
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
    User requesting enforcement
    mbz1 --Mbz1 (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    08:56, 4 December 2010 "Nableezy is banned from all articles, discussions, and other content within the area of conflict, as defined in WP:ARBPIA#Area of conflict, for four months...All participants here are reminded that revert warring during an ongoing related discussion, except when a revert rule exemption apply, is unacceptable whether or not the revert warrior is also participating in the discussion."
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Edit warring on Egypt. Article Egypt is connected to Israeli Arab conflict. Please also see battleground behavior and the threat to wikihound me. This message was left at my talk page after I questioned the removal of the information on the article's talk page. Here the user is discussing in details Damour massacre. The Damour Massacre directly relates to the I-P topic area. It was an incident that involved Israel's allies, the Christian Falange and her enemies, the PLO. Moreover, the article is part of "Wiki project Palestine" as evidenced by the article's talk page, where this message is prominently displayed as the first message. It is difficult to miss.

    Even now with AE still opened Nableezy is continues edit warring on Egypt, and Sean.hoyland is proxy editing for Nableezy. Please see this SPI report that Sean.hoyland filed "on behalf of User:Nableezy", who is topic-banned.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Nableezy#Topic_ban

    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    Admin can decide.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    notified

    Discussion concerning Nableezy

    Statement by Nableezy

    The topics I discussed at ANI have nothing whatsoever to do with the Arab-Israeli topic area. Mbz1 should be sanctioned for tendentious hounding of my contributions. The topic of discussion at AN/I was Lanternix's editing on topics about internal Arab conflicts and the identification of Egyptians as Arabs. Not with anything related to Israel. Mbz1's hounding of my contributions led her to both involve herself in a topic that she knows nothing about as well as file this report. Israel was not at all involved in the Damour massacre, nor in the Karantina massacre. These are inter-Arab conflicts not related to the Arab-Israeli conflict area, in fact neither . The treatment of Copts in Egypt and by the Egyptian government has nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. Not everything that has something to do with the Palestinians, the Arabs, or the Middle East has something to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict.

    Mbz1 claims that the "Article Egypt is connected to Israeli Arab conflict." and as such my edits to that article are covered by the topic ban. There are portions of that article related to the topic, yes, but it is asinine to claim that the entire article is part of that topic area. Israel has existed for about 0.8% of the 8,000 years that are covered in that article. Further, nothing that I touched had anything to do with Israel much less with the Arab-Israeli conflict.

    Mbz1 further claims that the article Damour massacre "directly relates to the I-P topic area". This can only be said by somebody who had not even read the article. The word Israel appears once in the text of that article, and only that one time to say that "after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon" in the background section. This article is not in any way connected to the Arab-Israeli conflict. It was a confrontation between Lebanese and Palestinian Arabs that did not involve Israel. The argument offered here, that because Israel liked one side and didnt like the other is on its face ridiculous. That would prevent me from writing anything in the article Nelson Mandela because Israel had warm relations with the Apartheid South African government.

    Finally, Mbz1 claims that I "threat to wikihound ". That was not a threat to wikihound you, it was a request that you not hound me. I should not have to deal with your nonsense outside of your usual stomping grounds. Following me around to annoy me even when I am not, or can not, contribute to the A/I topic area is not something that should be allowed.

    To Tim, you request that I say why my AN/I filing was not a topic ban violation. Nothing that I reported had anything to do with Israel, which itself would cover more topics than are covered under the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area. I am not banned from writing about any thing that talks about Arabs or Palestinians. I am banned from writing about or discussing the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area, broadly construed. No matter how broad you wish to make the net, articles that dont have anything to do with Israel or Zionism cannot be said to fall under that ban. Yes, there is a part of the article about Egypt that talks about the wars Egypt has fought with Israel. But you want to say because of that the entire article is part of the topic area? That I cant edit portions on the Fatimid conquest of Egypt, or the French invasion, or even the demographics of the country or the climate? My understanding has always been that articles that are themselves part of the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area are as a whole off-limits, even those parts not dealing with the conflict, and articles that are outside of the topic area, but have portions that discuss it, are only off-limits for the material that discusses the conflict. The only two articles in the group that I discussed at AN/I that have portions related to the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area are Egypt and Arab Christians. I did not discuss any material that related to the conflict or even to Israel. The other article are wholly outside of the topic area. Also, as the header of this page says editors coming with unclean hands may be sanctioned, could I request that you take a closer look at Mbz1's involvement? I file an AN/I report dealing with articles that Mbz1 had never edited or as far as I know even commented about, and she involves herself in a dispute that I am in. She then further involves herself at the article talk page. Is it acceptable for editors with who a topic-banned editor had previously been in conflict with to follow that editor to other topics to annoy them? nableezy - 01:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    And while we are here, how about looking and seeing if Tie Oh Cruise (talk · contribs) look to you to be a rather obvious sockpuppet. nableezy - 01:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    Vassyana, are you really saying that whether or not Gamal Abdel Nasser was an Arab is part of the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area? And yes, the edits by Lanternix there are tendentious bullshit. Nasser himself said he was an Arab, Lanternix wishes to deny him that identity. But none of that has anything to do with the Arab-Israeli topic area in any way. Please explain how it does. nableezy - 02:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    But I am not even editing material in the Nasser article. Do you agree that the article List of Arabs is not covered under the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area? If so, can you please explain how whether an entry on that list is or is not an Arab is related to the topic area? This doesnt have anything to do with Israel, this isnt even an inter-Arab issue. That specific dispute is an inter-Egyptian one, in which some Egyptians are rather insistent that Egyptians are not Arabs. This is a dispute completely unrelated to the A/I conflict. The reason I singled out Nasser in the edit summary is because Nasser has a somewhat famous line that "an Arab is someone whose mother tongue is Arabic", he regularly called himself an Arab. nableezy - 04:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    It is impossible to discuss him in any realistic manner without mentioning the A-I conflict. Really? Let's try:

    Me: Is Nasser an Arab?

    L:No!

    Me: Yes, and here are some sources calling him an Arab

    L: No!

    nableezy - 14:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Nableezy

    Statement by (not uninvolved) Mkativerata

    It is said that "Article Egypt is connected to Israeli Arab conflict." How? The article is perhaps connected in a loose way, such that PIA-related edits on the article might be a breach of the topic ban. But these edits had nothing to do with PIA. The definition of the "area of conflict" in which Nableezy has been prohibited to edit is "the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted." On no interpretation could the article Egypt or the edits in question be considered related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    Well, at least in one instance the user has edited not a particular section, but an entire article and of course Egypt is connected to I/P conflict. For example the article states: "Three years after the 1967 Six Day War, during which Israel had invaded and occupied Sinai, Nasser died and was succeeded by Anwar Sadat." and "In 1973, Egypt, along with Syria, launched the October War, a surprise attack against the Israeli forces occupying the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights. It was an attempt to regain part of the Sinai territory Israel had captured 6 years earlier.", In my understanding the article with such wording, if broadly interpreted, is related to to the Arab-Israeli conflict.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    @T. Canens, re the ANI diff: It is not at all clear to me that articles solely to do with the Lebanese Civil War (pre Israeli involvement), that have nothing to do with Israel apart from very tangential references, are within the ARBPIA area of conflict. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    @Vassyana: if there are concerns about incivility in respect of the Egypt-related articles, that can be dealt with by intervention outside AE. Or if there is concern that ARBPIA disputes are spilling over into Lebanon and Egypt, Arbcom could be asked to expand the definition of the "area of conflict" to include intra-national disputes in Egypt and Lebanon. But on the "area of conflict" as currently defined, there really is no relationship between (a) Nableezy's edits and the articles to which they related, and (b) the "area of conflict", which requires a connexion with Israel. I'd urge admins to be quite careful not to assume a relationship with ARBPIA here. The evidence points clearly to the contrary. --Mkativerata (talk) 03:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    Questions by un☯mi

    Mbz1, I am curious about this query, why didn't you just ask User:Timotheus_Canens as he was the admin who imposed the sanction in the first place?

    Regarding the evidence you present, just so I understand correctly, you want him sanctioned for editing Egypt and mentioning that another user had been edit warring on Damour massacre, is that correct? un☯mi 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    Would you please stop hounding my contributions? I could ask questions anybody I feel like asking a question. Please read carefully what I said about Damour massacre.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
    I looked through your contributions and Nableezys contributions, how else could I hope to get a feel for what transpired?
    I am simply wondering why you didn't ask the admin who handed down the sanction.
    As for Damour massacre, and I just want to make sure that I am not missing anything or misrepresenting what happened; You hold that Nableezy should be sanctioned for filing this ANI report where he mentions "Lanternix has also been edit-warring on issues related to conflicts between Muslims and Christians in the Middle East. For example, the article Damour massacre includes that this was retribution over the Karantina massacre. Lanternix has repeatedly edit-warred to remove sourced material on the death toll at Karantina and replacing it with a much lower number despite sources disagreeing with him". Is that correct? un☯mi 22:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    Comment by Supreme Deliciousness: There isn't one single edit here that involves the A-I conflict in any way. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    Comment by (not uninvolved) Lanternix: I am very surprised how some are arguing that this very lengthy contribution about Damour massacre does not constitute a violation of this topic ban imposed upon Nableezy!!! Moreover, another issue that seems to be overlooked here is this message left by Nableezy on a user talk page, which is obviously aimed at intimidating the user! I believe these are the two main issues here. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 23:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    Comment by Sol: This is frivolous. The argument is that anything even vaguely connected to the conflict is a violation of the topic ban. The Damour Massacre occurred before Israel joined the war. By this reasoning, editors with A-I topic bans could not edit on the US even if it concerns a time when Israel didn't exist as the US later allies with Israel. The Egypt edits have nothing to do with this. If this is how broadly people want to interpret the scope of A-I Arbcom sanctions then the floodgates of meritless AE requests will open as every editor with a grudge hunts down possible violations (ie, anything that's ever touched the issue). Also, all of these articles would be under 1-RR per community consensus which would simplify this hearing as everyone involved can now be banned for violating it. Sol (talk) 05:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    Additional comment by Mbz1

    1. I did not hound Nab's contributions. I first learned about the dispute from this An/I post. I have AN/I on my watch list.
    2. I did not take any part in edit warring in Egypt. I only posted two comments on talk page of the article, and gave advise to the editor how to source the material added to the article. I also made one comment on AN/I.
    3. I did know about the massacres. I read about them in newspapers. I have not edited those articles, I did not comment on them either, but I see no reason why shouldn't I comment on one?
    4. I provided two differences(Please see above for more explanations) of me being blocked for topic ban violation and user:Gilabrand being blocked for topic ban violation. Those were the differences I used to determent if Nab violated his topic ban, and the answer was "yes, he did". Besides he was also edit warring on the article.
    5. My hands are absolutely clean. I've done nothing wrong neither by commenting on AN/I, nor by filing AE, nor by explaining to the editor how to source the material and urge them not edit warring, but rather seek a compromise.
    6. I am not sure how one could claim that Damour massacre has nothing to do with Israeli-Arab conflict. It links to 1982 Lebanon War, and to other articles about the conflict. It talks a lot about PLO about Palestinian refugees, and so on, and so on and so on. Of course this article is directly connected to the conflict between Israel and Arabs.
    7. I'd also like admins to notice a strong battleground behavior expressed by Nab in his statement here and in the comment he left at my talk page. He behaves as he owns not only one article, but the whole Misplaced Pages as well.
    8. I have absolutely nothing personal against Nab, and when he was blocked a few days ago for a topic ban violation I raised my voice in his defense--Mbz1 (talk) 01:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    9. Nableezy, could you please explain why in your opinion this edit made by user:Gilabrand , no, not in the article, but on edit warring noticeboard about edit warring on Mahmoud Abbas was a topic ban violation, but your edits are not. Gila was blocked after you asked her: "And why are you here? And arent you topic-banned?", so you did believe she violated her ban, why then you say you did not violate yours?--Mbz1 (talk) 04:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    Ill answer here. In the comment Gilabrand was blocked for at AN3, she was discussing content covered by the topic area. The content she was discussing was an accusation that the sitting President of the PNA and chair of the PLO was knowingly involved in the Munich massacre. That content is directly related to the topic area and as such Gila was banned from discussing it. nableezy - 04:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    But the only thing she said was: "Is your problem that the name of the website has the word Jewish in it? Just asking". --Mbz1 (talk) 04:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    I know that. She was discussing content (the source used) directly related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. She was banned from doing so. Now you either understand this or you dont, but either way I dont intend to explain it further besides to say this: Gila was discussing content related to the topic area, my AN/I post was about content not related to the topic area. nableezy - 04:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    Yes, it was Damour massacre is directly related to the topic of your ban. Notice that Sabra and Shatila (spelling) links to it because Sabre and Shatila was considered revenge for Damour -- S& S linked directly to Sharon and the Palestinians, and I do agree that mentioning Nasser in your edit summary is too. Also please see an example (above) of me being blocked for a comment that had absolutely nothing to do with the conflict, and was only about wikipedia policies. Mbz1 (talk) 04:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    @tariq, if you do not see topic ban violation in Nab's edit maybe you could say laud and clear that my block over this edit was unfair? Please notice I was not edit warring as Nab was, I made only one constructive comment about wikipedia policies, and got blocked for 48 hours! for this comment. My first block for topic ban violation was for this edit at Rothschild family. How Rothschild family article is connected to I/P conflict? And if a small revert in Rothschild family article made me blocked only because of the words Zionism and Israel, surely Nab's editing of Egypt is a topic ban violation too. I believe that topic ban should be implemented equally to everybody, and do not depend on administrators, who are active at the moment. --Mbz1 (talk) 05:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    • Comment Nasser was involved and played a leading role in nearly every war that Egypt had with Israel. His forces were trapped in the Falluja pocket during the war of 1948. He was president of Egypt for 3 of the 4 wars that Israel had with Egypt. The Suez War of 1956, the Six Day war of 1967 and the War of Attrition between 1969-70. He was instrumental in formulating Egypt's relationship with Israel for three decades. As for the Damour massacre. It was an act committed by the PLO, sworn enemies of Israel against Lebanon's Christians, who were considered Israel's ally in her fight against the PLO and Syria. The article's Talk page classifies the article in the context of Wiki Project Palestine. This is clearly within the Israel-Palestine topic area. It's not even borderline.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


    Sean.hoyland is proxy editing for Nableezy Please see this SPI report that Sean.hoyland filed "on behalf of User:Nableezy", who is topic-banned.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

    Yup, I filed an SPI report, some NoCal100 socks were blocked. Shocking stuff. The horror. The injustice of it and the profound harm I've caused to the project is terrible. I'll just carry on working on nice things like Fred Williams and Todros Geller and try to live with the shame. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
    Ha-ha-ha. In my post above was absolutely nothing personal, but the rules are the rules and everybody should comply with them. I hope you agree with this?--Mbz1 (talk) 20:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
    Actually I don't agree and I'm not sure which rules you are referring to. There is a rule about meatpuppetry and its role is to prevent the use of proxies to sway consensus. This is about identifying sockpuppets and filing reports to get them checked out and possibly blocked. I'm happy to file SPI reports on anyone's behalf if they ask me nicely and I was careful to leave subtle clues like saying "I'm available for SPI report filing too." just under the admin's message on Nableezy's page, saying that I was filing it on Nableezy's behalf as the very first statement, and being entirely open about it. If I'm breaking a rule someone needs to tell me what it is, how my filing SPI reports breaks the rule and how it impacts negatively on the project because I'm not planning to stop filing SPI reports unless I have a policy based reason to do so. Nableezy is allowed to report suspected socks to an admin to be checked out. I think he is allowed to tell me if he thinks that someone looks like a sockpuppet and I can have a look and file a report or not. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
    If you want something more interesting to complain about you could contact The Annex Galleries in Santa Rosa and ask them why they are referring to a set of woodcuts by Todros Geller called Seven Palestinian motifs cut on wood as Seven Palestinian Martyrs Cut on Wood. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
    Also, have you considered simply asking NoCal100 to stop so that these situations don't arise in the first place ? No one seems to do that. Here's what looks like his latest sock, probably one of several. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
    Sean, if the rules (topic ban in this case) prohibits Nab from doing something himself, it means that anybody else doing this for him is against the rules.
    What made you to believe that I have any contact with NoCal100? I've never met NoCal100. I was not editing in this area when he/she was. The first time I have learned about NoCal100 was a few months ago, when Tiamut suggested running SPI on me and NoCal100.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
    Well, it means that to you. I disagree because I haven't seen any evidence to indicate that there are constraints that prevent me from investigating a user that someone under a topic ban thinks might be a sockpuppet and filing a report if I find evidence that convinces me that it merits a report. If I'm breaking a rule it's a rule I haven't seen. Without evidence that I'm breaking a rule I have no reason to stop.
    • Sockpuppetry is against the rules. The name of a suspected sockpuppet is a valuable piece of information, valuable to the project. It's value doesn't depend on whether the person who spotted them first is under a topic ban.
    • It's not in the interests of the project to prevent people from filing an SPI report because someone has a topic ban. The purpose of a topic ban is to reduce disruption. Disruption isn't reduced by imposing constraints on me in such a way that my ability to file an SPI report depends on who saw the sockpuppet first, Nableezy or someone else.
    • It's not in the interests of the project for sockpuppets to profit from constraints imposed on people who are not under a restriction like a topic ban.
    • If I think someone is a sockpuppet I should have the freedom to do as I choose as I am not under any restrictions. If I don't think it's a sockpuppet I won't file a report.
    • It's in the interest of the project for the report to be filed if there is evidence of sockpuppetry.
    • Even if there were a rule that prevented someone from reporting a possible sockpuppet brought to their attention by someone under a topic ban, the rule is unenforceable. It's not possible to establish whether someone is filing a report because they have found a sockpuppet or because someone else told them about it off-wiki unless the reporting party decides to expose that information on-wiki. It's possible to communicate entirely off-wiki, there is nothing anyone can do about it and the unfortunate people who would need to decide whether such a rule had been broken have no access to the evidence required to establish non-compliance. There is no point having a rule if you can't tell whether people are complying with it.
    I don't believe that you have any contact with NoCal100. I asked whether you had considered asking him to stop. Someone needs to ask him to stop and he is unlikely to listen to anyone except people he considers to be supporters of Israel. There have been ample opportunities for people he might take seriously to leave messages on the talk pages of his socks asking him to stop disrupting the project but no one ever does. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
    Mbz1, when you say, "if the rules (topic ban in this case) prohibits Nab from doing something himself," that is, of course, a very big if. Nableezy asked on his talk page whether he was still permitted to raise SPIs against editors involved in the AI area; no definitive answer was given.     ←   ZScarpia   14:45, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    This is a very strange point. I do not know whether the rules prohibit this, but if they don't, then why Nab did not file the SPI request himself? (please note that Mbz1 is blocked now, so she can't respond). I have no opinion of Sean.hoyland's action. - BorisG (talk) 15:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    See here. Sean.hoyland - talk 22:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    So T. Canens told Nableezy quite clearly not to file SPI reports but to contact an uninvolved administrator. Somehow, despite being involved in this conversation both Sean.hoyland and ZScarpia both failed to understand how "you should not" means he is not allowed to file SPI reports. That's interesting.
    Nableezy acknowledged the above by notifying T. Canens of a couple of suspected socks , but when not getting the result he's used to at the SPI board decided to have Sean (who is not an administrator and not uninvolved) file reports on his behalf.
    Not that I expect anything to come of this, but let's at least get the facts straight. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 00:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
    Call me old fashioned but I assumed people could read the material I linked to when I said 'See here' and understand the facts perfectly well all by themselves. I understood perfectly well that he couldn't file an SPI. He didn't file an SPI report. I had a look and filed it for him. I thought I'd made that perfectly clear both here and in the report. I've explained why just above in some detail. I've filed another one too. I'll probably be filing more knowing how much sockpuppetry goes on here and how often Nableezy spots them before me. It's not interesting in the slightest. It's tedious, time consuming and a waste of the project's resources. I have no idea what you mean by me not being uninvolved. Uninvolved in what exactly, implementing the policies of this project ? I try to avoid that degree of uninvolvement. Your time would be better spent helping to stop sockpuppets rather than wikilawyering on their behalf. Sean.hoyland - talk 01:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
    Mea culpa: I was wrong, a definitive answer was given.     ←   ZScarpia   01:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
    Saying it's ok for you to help someone get around a restriction because you're trying to catch people getting around their restrictions is wikilawyering. Not to mention the irony. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
    Are you saying that Sean´s motivation for raising the SPI wasn't that he wanted to foil a persistent sock´s most recent manifestation, but rather, a desire to help Nableezy evade a restriction?     ←   ZScarpia   12:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    You might as well be trying to argue with a bot. You're wasting your time. I don't do things that I think are against policy. Two reports have been filed. Four sockpuppets have been blocked. I will continue to file reports when there is sufficient evidence of sockpuppetry to merit a report. End of story. Sean.hoyland - talk 22:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    Of course, if you want to continue lobbying on behalf of a person who disrupts the project by making these kinds of edits and with these kinds of edit summaries be my guest. It won't end well for you though. Sean.hoyland - talk 23:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    I am not lobbying on anyone's behalf, although I understand how experience has taught you that this kind of innuendo can get people sanctioned. The fact is that you proxy edited on behalf of an editor that was not able to make an edit by himself due to restrictions placed on his editing. If I'm not mistaken that is against policy.
    How is this not going to end well for me? Do tell. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
    comments by umomi
    You were blocked for inserting yourself in an AE discussion regarding possible wrongdoing within the topic area. un☯mi 15:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    I don't believe that you have shown that Nableezy edited anything that had to do with his actions, only that he is an Arab. Nor did he, as far as I can tell, edit the Damour article while under restrictions, he simply gave evidence of a pattern of edit warring of another editor. un☯mi 15:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    Comment by Tijfo098

    I agree with User:Tariqabjotu, this is hardly a violation of WP:ARBPIA, and it's also discussed at Misplaced Pages:ANI#User:Lanternix concurrently. Whether Nableezy should be topic banned from all ME articles is not something that can be decided by a single AE administrator. User:Lanternix is also POV pushing on these Egypt-related articles, in my opinion. Tijfo098 (talk) 07:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    As for the Damour article, there does seem to be some sort of sock or meat farm here involving User:Propaganda328 (blocked right now) and Laternix who edit in tandem in a typical pattern of disruptive editing; removing sourced content with deceptive or no edit summaries, for example . There are also a bunch of IP editors making similarly deceptive edits on the same content, probably using open proxies or some other way of editing from seemingly disparate IP addresses. . These series of diffs looks more like deliberate trolling to me than a genuine content dispute. Perhaps the Lebanese civil war, even when not involving Israel, should be considered for community-based 1RR or something like that, so I've just added the ARBPIA banner to the talk page. However, Nableezy's last edit to the Darmour article seems to have been on Dec 3, and he was topic banned on Dec 4, so I don't see how that's a violation. Tijfo098 (talk) 09:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    T. Canens, by your logic, Nableezy is also not allowed to edit Jimmy Carter at all because whether you say something nice or naughty about him in any respect may (strongly) depend on your view of the I-P conflict. So, if Nableezy reverts a hypothetical edit that removes Carter from List of Nobel laureates then he is violating his topic ban by saying something nice about Carter. Correction, if Nableezy just complains about such an edit on ANI, then he is already violating his topic ban. Oh, dear. This seems too broad of an interpretation of the "broadly construed" qualifier. I think a request for clarification should be address to the actual ArbCom on this matter. Tijfo098 (talk) 09:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    Addendum four days later

    The filing editor, User:mbz1, was blocked for harassing another editor (first for a week, then extended to indef). The other AE thread started below by mbz1, against User:Supreme Deliciousness, was closed by User:Jehochman. Tijfo098 (talk) 10:25, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

    Comment by Gatoclass

    I don't particularly want to get involved with this case, but if the only charge here is that Nableezy violated his topic ban by restoring Nasser to the List of Arabs article, then the case is utterly frivolous given that Nasser unquestionably belongs on that list, and that merely asserting that he belongs on that list has absolutely nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. We are entitled to exercise a little common sense here. Gatoclass (talk) 13:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    This would be fine if common sense was applied uniformly across the board, to editors on all sides. - BorisG (talk) 13:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    Just because there are some counterintuitive results at AE does not mean we should not try to avoid them. I happen to think that Nableezy has probably been the victim of more unsound remedies over a longer period of time than probably any other AE participant. The breaches for which he has been sanctioned in the past have almost invariably been of the most trivial nature, while his generally sound record of editing in accordance with core policies has been ignored. The same cannot be said for many of his opponents, some of whom have been editing in systematic violation of core policy for years without ever managing to attract a substantial block or ban. There are some major deficiencies in the current implementation of our dispute resolution processes, and at some point they are going to have to be addressed. In the meantime, we have to continue doing what we can to try and ensure that we get those common sense outcomes that I'm sure most of us support. Gatoclass (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    I agree with your general principles. As for Nableezy's record, I have an opposite opinion. But I guess we have to agree to disagree. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 14:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    It is worth noting here that the the other editor involved, Lanternix, appears to have a far worse record than Nableezy, having been blocked nine times for exactly the same disruptive behaviour that Nableezy complained about above. This editor appears to be on a mission to disparage Islam and to remove any suggestion that Egyptians are Arabs. To this end, s/he has also been edit-warring on, for example, Arab Christians and Arabic-speaking Christians, Religion in Egypt, Template:Criticism of Islam sidebar and others. RolandR (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    There's only one small difference. The other editor involved has no topic ban.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    I'm not sure what Lanternix is up to, but regardless, his dispute with Nableezy appears to have nothing to do with the A-I conflict. Gatoclass (talk) 15:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    Recent complaints about User:Nableezy

    FYI, a recent complaint about Nableezy has been filed here. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 22:05, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

    You mean you filed a retaliatory complaint about me following a complaint about you, right? nableezy - 22:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    Wrong.--λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 22:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    Really? So you did not file that report in retaliation for this? Sort of how you did this in retaliation, in the words of an uninvolved admin, for this. That is interesting. nableezy - 22:12, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    I do not work in retaliation. You can read the evidence provided in both cases to see that they have nothing to do with the accusation you are attempting to link them with. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 22:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    Really???? So if I were to list 5 times in which after being reverted on one page you follow an editor to a completely unrelated topic to revert them would you be surprised? Or would you still say that you "do not work in retaliation"? nableezy - 22:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    I would still say that I do not work in retaliation. By the way, great effort to sway the readers from the main issue here! Did you or didn't you continue to violate your topic ban on Arab-Israeli conflict topics? And did you or didn't you make changes to Egypt in spite of the users' consensus on the talk page? --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 22:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    Now this is getting really funny. Consensus you say? One user agreed that some of what you included should be in the article, though even that user says that not all of it should. Another user says it should not be in there, another user raises a large number of problems, and another IP raises the same issues. Yet you claim to have consensus? Nobody except for you or mbz1 has said that my edits to Egypt fall in the ARBPIA topic area, in fact the one admin that has said anything about Egypt specifically has unequivocally said that they do not. So no, I have not violated my topic ban, and my edits to Egypt are not made "in spite of users' consensus". nableezy - 22:45, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    By the way, you are due for being reported of violating the 3RR rule on Talk:Egypt. If I report you will you call this retaliation as well? Some sort of an attempt to humiliate your adversaries maybe? --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 22:48, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    If you would like to file a report about your meatpuppeting for a banned user you are free to do so. But back to the less funny, but still very funny, part of this. So you say that if after being reverted by a user on one page, that if you follow that user to a completely different topic and revert them on a page you had never edited in the past, that is not retaliation? Do you know what the word retaliation means? nableezy - 22:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    And yes, it was users' consensus because the users and IP addresses you refer to never (did I say never) addressed the new evidence recently added from CNN, BBC, ABC News, der Spiegel, Associated Press etc etc, which you unilaterally completely deleted from the article!--λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 22:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    Any person who looks at the talk page can quickly see that is a false statement. nableezy - 22:53, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    Great, let's have an uninvolved party look at it and see which one of us is the liar! --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ 22:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    Conclusion of sorts

    Nableezy was blocked for a week by Sandstein for edit warring on the Egypt/Copt articles. Lanternix was blocked for a month for doing the same. I think this addresses the core issue in this report. Tijfo098 (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

    Result concerning Nableezy

    Awaiting Nableezy's comment. I'm particularly interested in an explanation why this edit is not a violation of the topic ban. T. Canens (talk) 22:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

    Whether or not it violates the topic ban, I see edit warring over a controversial ethnic/religious conflict in a country heavily involved in the history and current circumstances of the Arab-Israeli conflict. All things considered, that is incredibly unwise to say the very least. Why any editor should go picking new fights of a similar nature less than a month after being sanctioned is mind-boggling.

    Edits summaries like Undid revision 402417137 by Lanternix (talk) rv, you cant be serious that Nasser was not an Arab, the rest of that edit is tendentious bs and Undid revision 403032164 by Lanternix (talk) rv vandalism, keep it up are clearly uncivil. They also seem like violations of the broad topic ban (note the specific mention of Nasser). --Vassyana (talk) 02:50, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

    I agree that denying Nasser as an Arab seems absurd, but that's neither here nor there. Nasser clearly falls under a broadly defined topic ban, from my point of view, as an unquestionably principal figure in the history of the conflict. In addition, editing about central figures sounds like common topic ban boundary playing to me. (The game is played thus: Edit as close to possible to a banned area without triggering the topic ban.) I also think if a repeated visitor to AE, or editor sanctioned by AE, is entering into similar patterns in neighboring topic areas that AE is a perfectly appropriate venue. There's nothing preventing us as admins from undertaking normal admin actions in response. If other admins disagree with my perception, so be it; I will defer to their judgment. Vassyana (talk) 04:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    For the record, I don't think a sanction is necessary here by any means. It should suffice to offer a clear warning to avoid major figures in the I-P conflict and avoid repeating misconduct in other ethnic, religious, or national controversial topic areas. There's no need to make a capital case or high appeal of this. --Vassyana (talk) 15:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    • I personally don't see a problem with what Nableezy has done here. I know admins here often take the view that if something is close to the area of conflict, it probably shouldn't be touched. However, I don't think we should block people because they get close to the area of the topic ban. A warning that Nableezy's playing with fire should suffice -- that is unless you actually want to topic ban Nableezy from all Middle East articles. But editing Egypt or articles about intra-Arab wars being a violation of an Arab-Israeli conflict topic ban... c'mon, people... -- tariqabjotu 04:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
    • I think Nasser is inextricably intertwined with the A-I conflict, such that it is impossible to discuss him in any realistic manner without mentioning the A-I conflict, and therefore is per se within the scope of the topic ban. Agree with Vassyana. T. Canens (talk) 08:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
      Okay, yes, I'll accept that Nableezy's edits to List of Arabs are violations of the topic ban, but I do not believe edits to Egypt and Damour massacre are. Whatever happens to Nableezy should be based on the fact that he edited List of Arabs and not that he edited the other two (as it appears the only problem Mbz1 has with his conduct there is that he edited those articles). -- tariqabjotu 13:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
      I'm not going to be doing any action in response to this (although I doubt that's going to be the final result). The more I look at the edits to List of Arabs, the less I find them damning. Lanternix seems to be an established editor, but I can't for the life of me understand what s/he was doing. Anwar El Sadat? Mohamed ElBaradei? Nasser? Umm Kulthum? These are some of the most well-known Arabs of the twentieth century, and Lanternix provides no reason for removing them. I understand we are supposed to apply topic bans without considering the nature of the edits (unless they're vandalism), but the article is already at the edge of the topic ban. The edits Nableezy's edits were reverting were inexplicable and, until now, still unsubstantiated. This is not the behavior I believe the topic ban was intended to curtail. The incivility is a cause for concern, but that may warrant the lightest of blocks (two days at the most), given the context of a just-barely violation of the topic ban. But I'm not holding my breath for that, obviously. -- tariqabjotu 13:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
      I've been warning and keeping an eye on Lanternix (talk · contribs · email) and Voiceofplanet (talk · contribs · email). See: User talk:Voiceofplanet, User talk:Vassyana#Thank you and..., User talk:Lanternix#Warning, and this ANI thread about Lanternix. See also: Talk:Religion in Egypt#Recent reverts by User:Voiceofplanet. They'll get sorted one way or the other. --Vassyana (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

    Admin opinions are split, suggesting that the issue isn't clear cut; add that to the staleness of the violation and it is clear that nothing beyond a warning is needed. IMO that warning has been amply provided by this thread, especially Vassyana's and my comments. I'm therefore closing this as no further action taken. T. Canens (talk) 15:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    User:Atabəy

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning User:Atabəy

    User requesting enforcement
    Kansas Bear (talk) 18:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Atabəy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 1st revert
    2. 2nd revert

    Clarification:

    • 1. Revert limitation (formerly known as revert parole). You are limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism, and are required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page.
    • 2. Supervised editing (formerly known as probation). You may be banned by any administrator from editing any or all articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area should you fail to maintain a reasonable degree of civility in your interactions with one another concerning disputes which may arise.
    • 3. Civility supervision (formerly known as civility parole). If you make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, then you may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warning by Kansas Bear (talk · contribs)
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    Up to the discretion of admins.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    As seen here, User:Atabəy reaction stems directly from the deletion of articles Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Garadaghly Massacre, Agdaban massacre. His/her reaction has been to tag spam articles Maraghar Massacre and Kirovabad pogrom. Any attempt at adding references are met with revertion and the statement, "De Waal used HRW reference in his book, HRW says it is alleged",. This is in direct violation of AA2, which limits any Armenian-Azerbaijan article to 1RR.

    I would also like to point out that User:Atabəy was one of the original editors involved in AA2 and therefore was clearly aware of his violation.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning User:Atabəy

    Statement by User:Atabəy

    User:Kansas Bear claims that he warned me over: here for allegedly saying "De Waal is from Armenian sources", and then called it a battleground mentality. Yet, What I said on the talk page is the following (precisely): "The primary source citing them was Armenian eyewitness used by Human Rights Watch, which was quoted in De Waal's book". I don't see how telling this fact is considered a battleground mentality, so obviously Kansas Bear was grossly misinterpreting my words on talk page and assuming bad faith in making the warning he indicated above.

    The whole issue with this case stems from the fact, User:MarshallBagramyan, a participant of A-A ArbCom cases, has initiated a deletion of Agdaban massacre, Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Garadaghly Massacre pages. All three pages relate to factually established massacres of Azerbaijanis by Armenian forces in the course of Nagorno-Karabakh War. The deletion was carried out by supportive administrator User:Buckshot06, who did so without following any formal procedures, as indicated by administrator here. Also per User:Buckshot06's own admission here, his deletion was based solely on his personal impression of User:MarshallBagramyan and no other procedural or objective reasoning.

    After lengthy discussion at , and requests to deleting administrator to undo the deletion, I followed admin suggestion and filed this case at WP:DRV, which concluded in an overturn of deleting administrator's action.

    Thus the intimidating actions of User:MarshallBagramyan and supportive editors constitute a WP:BATTLE, clearly aimed at initiating the removal of factually-supported articles describing massacres of one side, while defending other articles, without sufficient research or discussion. Reviewing administrators are welcome to look into history of my edits in Maraghar Massacre article under discussion to find out that I placed notability tag and actually contributed well researched sources to the article. Most of the sources, previously used were misquoted, as can be easily seen by thorough review of Google Books references. So I did correct them providing exact URLs of quoted pages and added even more references as can be seen in summary diff of my edits.

    The editors disputing my edits or filing this case have not contributed any reference to this article, neither sufficiently participated in Talk:Maraghar Massacre page, providing any reference whatsoever. Reverting User:Takabeg and User:Kansas Bear also did not provide sufficient comments on their edits on the talk page. The former left no comments actually, while the latter kept airing his opinion of me rather than article subject. I welcome the reviewers to look into the talk page to see all the facts.

    I would like to still thank User:Kansas Bear for his warning on my talk page. However, I am not sure if Arbitration enforcement request was appropriate immediately after warning me and without further post-warning incidence. This request made by him actually defeats the purpose of his warning.

    Thank you for your consideration. Atabəy (talk) 02:27, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

    And User:Kansas Bear is in the list of editors warned about possible sanctions in A-A2 case. Thus, I wonder what is his authority to consider his warnings as an important milestone for restricting other users opposing his POV on A-A articles.
    Just to refresh, User:Kansas Bear joined edit warring along with User:MarshallBagramyan and User:Takabeg at Maraghar Massacre article here inserting the same reference and removing notability tag without any sufficient discussion or consensus. His edit comment asserts that using "alleged" (based actually on Human Rights Watch reference) is "weasel wording".
    Yet in another example of Kansas Bear's editing, pushing anti-Azerbaijani denial of identity POV, he inserts the following WP:OR: "it is relatively certain and accepted by most scholars" made out of mixture of WP:WEASEL words.
    Actually, user's disruptive tag removal, inconsistent and frivolous reporting activity clearly points to being an active participant of A-A2 case, warranting the application of same restrictions as everybody else there. Atabəy (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    Editing warring is adding a reference and removing what I saw as weasel wording? This does not help your case when you blind revert twice!
    Yes my name is on the AA2 board, here is the reason why. Abbatai removed referenced information, I restored it. I'll take an opinion from your friend Tuscumbia and view your actions as condoning Abbatai's actions. I will be sure from now on NOT to revert any vandalism or racial slanders against Turks done by this editor. Don't you feel like you have accomplished something? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
    FYI, dubious not "dubioius". Fixed. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    Again, what does all your reverting of vandalism have to do with this WP:AE case? The fact is that you are on a list of editors warned about possible sanctions in A-A2 case, and you continue to engage in revert war, push POV and target other users in the case. Atabəy (talk) 02:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    You were the one that initiated this attack on my edits, as some sort of excuse for your violation of 1RR.
    The fact that I am listed has also been addressed and summarily ignored by you.
    The reason, which was the restoration of references and referenced information, also has been ignored by you.
    Therefore, instead of removing insults on Turkish pages, I'll be sure to ignore those insults just as you have ignored the facts I have posted here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning User:Atabəy

    In addition to Kansas Bear's complaint, I would like to bring to the attention of the administrators that Atabey's overall activities over the past few days have been a major cause for concern. I will try to provide the background in as concise a way as possible: last week, an administrator named Buckshot08 took the decision to delete three controversial articles relating to this conflict region (Nagorno-Karabakh), which, in his opinion, were too poorly sourced and of otherwise dubious quality.

    In probable retaliation to his decision, Atabey and another editor, Tuscumbia, struck at the article in question as well as on the Kirovabad Pogrom page, adding the same three tags (neutrality, unreliable source, notability) and using the same exact arguments which were used against the aforementioned articles prior to their deletion by Buckshot. I believe that Atabey's as well as Tuscumbia's actions are, therefore, clear-cut violations of WP:POINT, i.e., they are being carried out in retaliation to Buckshot08's decisions. They have been editing tendentiously and Atabey himself has implicitly admitted that they are being done in reaction to Buckshot08's actions. These problems have been highlighted and are elaborated more fully on the article's talk page here.

    It should be noted that Atabey has been permabanned from several articles in the same area for some time now for virtually the same reasons.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

    I'm an admin, but am not familiar with how the A-A editing restrictions have been applied historically, so will sit this one out. However, from looking at Atabəy's recent contributions I think that sanctions would be fully justified. He or she is plainly edit warring in sensitive topics covered by ArbCom discretionary sanctions and their allegations about Buckshot06 (talk · contribs)'s actions being anything but those of an uninvolved admin are totally unjustified. Nick-D (talk) 03:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

    I suggest to look into WP:DRV discussion here, where the general conclusion is that three articles were removed by admin User:Buckshot06 without following proper deletion procedure. All I was trying to do is to restore encyclopedia articles which were targeted for removal by User:MarshallBagramyan. If you think my concern, found to be a legitimate at both DRV and ANI, is worth sanctions based on reporting and commentaries of contributors who got Buckshot06 into this in first place, that is your decision to make, of course. But frankly that would be very unfair. User:MarshallBagramyan clearly misled Buckshot06 to hastily remove 3 massacre articles as he wished, did not contribute a single source or reference to any article discussed, but just reverted them as did User:Kansas Bear, and now they have a free pass to get me into restriction for trying to actually contribute and improve all mentioned articles, including the ones I tagged for notability?
    I do have doubts that uninvolved admin would revert my edit like this without any single comment on the talk page regarding the subject of revert. But assuming good faith, I fully understand Buckshot06's reaction, he was misled and got into criticism he did not deserve, and we all got overly sensitive about this issue. Atabəy (talk) 10:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    • But frankly that would be very unfair. User:MarshallBagramyan clearly misled Buckshot06 to hastily remove 3 massacre articles as he wished, did not contribute a single source or reference to any article discussed, but just reverted them as did User:Kansas Bear... -- Atabey.
    I have never edited Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Garadaghly Massacre or Agdaban massacre. More false statements. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    I agree with Atabəy. This is not first time Kansas Bear sympathies to Armenian side without being neutral and constructive, he is just obsessed with Nagorno-Karabakh articles and therefore should be topic banned for being one sided and not constructive.--NovaSkola (talk) 11:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
    NovaSkola's animosity originates here and here, where he believes he has the god-given right to remove referenced information.
    As seen here, NovaSkola's abuse of Twinkle resulted in him losing the use of that program. His attempt to regain Twinkle resulted in his threat of, "...armenian articles as for this will suffer a lot :). Enjoy your day and clean our mess." Typical battleground mentality. NovaSkola's advice for topic ban should be applied to him and his disruptive editing. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

    As long as I know, in Turkish Misplaced Pages, Atabəy is known as a notorious propagandist with his POV of the Azerbaijani state nationalism. In Turkish Misplaced Pages we decided to delete these articles about unnotable massacres. In English Misplaced Pages he repeated same propaganda. Takabeg (talk) 12:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

    His attack against the article well-known Kirovabad pogrom have shown his strong Anti-Armenianism sentiments. Takabeg (talk) 12:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

    User:Takabeg is complaining about my notability tagging (and his tag reverting) of an article Kirovabad Pogrom devoted to so called "pogrom" (riots/massacre) in which, according to all listed sources, there was not a single civilian casualty... I rest my case. Atabəy (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    This is an inadequate report for an inadequate motion. Why is the User:Atabəy being reported for doing something that is right in Misplaced Pages? He had filed Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2010 December 24 to restore the articles incorrectly deleted by an administrator and made edits to Maraghar Massacre article based on available sources. Isn't it too obvious why users Kansas Bear and MarshallBagramyan are pretty active here trying to get User Atabəy banned simply to retaliate since one of the articles was already restored? Tuscumbia (talk) 15:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    Tuscumbia, show me exactly where I've asked for Atabey to be banned. Along with making drama, you have to resort to false statements. IF rules do not apply to Atabey and his "friends" then they do not apply to anyone then. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    You don't have to ask for it. Your actions clearly show your intent. Coming onto user Atabey right after him getting the Agdaban massacre article restored is a clear sign for everyone. The user has done nothing wrong at all. He discussed the article on its talk page, inquired about the improper deletion of the article by an administrator, made good faith edits on Maraghar Massacre article while also discussing them on the talk page and is immediately reported by you. Tuscumbia (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    Note User:Takabeg's statement above:
    • "In Turkish Misplaced Pages we decided to delete these articles about unnotable massacres".
    I wonder what he means by "we"? It is clear that the editor is talking about his participation in coordinated editing in Misplaced Pages to push a certain POV. But aside from that, the sentence above clarifies what User:Takabeg is trying to accomplish in English Misplaced Pages. And I think should be noteworthy for administrators handling A-A case, as User:Takabeg is another potential addition to the list of involved users. Atabəy (talk) 18:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    More false statements.
    Here is when he was warned,18:58, 21 December 2010
    Here is when Atabey violated 1RR, 02:29, 23 December 2010
    Here is when he gets reported, 18:25, 23 December 2010
    So when all the emotional drama is cleared away, the facts remain. He was warned on the 21st, he violated 1RR on the 23rd, 15 hours later he was reported. Just because you believe something does not make it a fact.
    He violated 1RR, unless you are telling me such restrictions do not apply to certain editors. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

    Among the most serious violations Atabey has committed has been his retaliation against an administrator's actions on other articles related to this area, most notably on the Maraghar Massacre and Kirovabad Pogrom articles. His edits on the former have not only exceeded the bounds of nPOV but have been written in so mendacious a manner as to skew the actual reality of the event (all of which is given in full detail on the article's talk page here). And for the record, Atabey's blatant flouting of the most basic Misplaced Pages rules as civility, battlefield mentality, ethnic battleground, etc. has been abundantly made clear on his talk page, here, here, here, and here.

    Regarding NovaSkola, it's quite possible that he may be a sock of User:Neftchi.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 23:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

    User:MarshallBagramyan's moving around of editor comments on this board and selective references comments on unrelated cases from 2-3 years back (2007-2008) clearly points to intimidating intention - get a certain user (in this case me) restricted at any cost. I think checking Talk:Maraghar Massacre article is sufficient to see that User:Kansas Bear, User:Takabeg or User:MarshallBagramyan commented more complaining about my edits on Maraghar Massacre article here on AE than they actually contributed on the talk page of the article itself. Atabəy (talk) 23:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    Come on Marshall, this is getting really desperate :) You're pulling up something that dates back to early ages of Misplaced Pages, for which the user has already been warned and banned in the past. There are a number of records showing your Wiki behavior and bans too. Do you think they should be mentioned here as well? Tuscumbia (talk) 13:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    Result concerning User:Atabəy

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    Could we be clearer on which specific ArbCom remedy is being violated here? There's no notification of any restriction applying to that article on its talk page or editnotice and the respondent is mentioned in the A-A case only once as having been banned from another article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

    The whole area is under WP:ARBAA2 discretionary sanctions; this user has an extensive prior history under the username of Atabek (talk · contribs), and was a participant in both WP:ARBAA2 and WP:ARBAA; no additional notification is needed. T. Canens (talk) 15:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    82.71.13.218

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning 82.71.13.218

    User requesting enforcement
    O Fenian (talk) 01:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    82.71.13.218 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles#Final remedies for AE case
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Revert 1, to make virtually the same edit as they did in September
    2. Revert 2, within 24 hours of the first
    3. Revert 3, within 24 hours of the first
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warning by O Fenian (talk · contribs)
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    Block
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    IP editor previously blocked for edit warring on the same article to make the same edit. Obviously my reverting of the IP is exempt from 1RR. O Fenian (talk) 01:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning 82.71.13.218

    Statement by 82.71.13.218

    Comments by others about the request concerning 82.71.13.218

    Result concerning 82.71.13.218

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    Blocked 72 hours (second block for the same). O Fenian, while reverting IPs is exempt from the 1RR, please at least make an effort to mind your reverts. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

    Request for clarification: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate change

    Closed by filer, filed in wrong spot.
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Initiated by A Quest For Knowledge (talk) at 14:12, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:

    WMC has been notified. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


    Statement by your A Quest For Knowledge

    ANI is on my watchlist and something has recently come to my attention. Apparently, WMC has been keeping a list of diffs of various editors in his user space. Although it's not named this, he calls the page his "twat list" in edit summaries. I thought that we were supposed to delete these sort of pages within 10 days of the close of the CC ArbCom case. It's of concern to me because I'm listed on his page twice, along with many other editors involved in the CC topic space. Since coming to the attention of ANI, his list has been blanked by admin and is now up for deletion. So I guess I have two issues for clarification:

    1. Are we allowed to vote or comment in the MfD or would that be a violation of the topic ban?
    2. Assuming WMC's "twat list" survives MfD, is it a violation of the CC topic ban to keep such a list of diffs in your user space? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:12, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    Statement by Scott MacDonald (one of the "twats")

    I have some bad feelings about how the CC case is working out with some people.--Scott Mac 14:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

    Clerk notes

    Arbitrator views and discussion

    information Administrator note If you are asking for clarification from arbcom, then this is the wrong page, and you should be looking for WP:A/R/CL. Personally, I do not see how WMC's page counts as an "evidence sub-page" unless it was, well, used for evidence in the arbcom case. It may well be deletable for other reasons, but not under that arbcom remedy. Also, unless you can demonstrate that WMC's edits to that page subsequent to the closure of the CC case included CC-related material, I do not think that the fact that the page previously contained CC-related diffs is sufficient by itself to make out a topic ban violation given the rather, let's say, disorganized nature of the page. T. Canens (talk) 15:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)