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**I agree. The content of this article and ] would make an excellent section of the webpage that is the subject of this article. But it is not encyclopedic, and obsessive, nerdy deletionists such as myself will continue to argue that point. **I agree. The content of this article and ] would make an excellent section of the webpage that is the subject of this article. But it is not encyclopedic, and obsessive, nerdy deletionists such as myself will continue to argue that point.
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**Please be aware that the closing admin may, at his or her discretion, disregard recomendations without rational. You may refer to ] where in addition to '''always explain your reasoning''' it makes plain that ] and that '''majority voting is not the determining factor'''. Thank you. <br/> ]]<span class="plainlinks"></span> 05:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
* The fact that a whole independent had to be created demonstrates how biased against webcomics these so-called "guidelines" are. I don't want to be banished to that B-site, webcomics should have the right to be at[REDACTED] like everything else. - ] 04:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC) * The fact that a whole independent had to be created demonstrates how biased against webcomics these so-called "guidelines" are. I don't want to be banished to that B-site, webcomics should have the right to be at[REDACTED] like everything else. - ] 04:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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****Oh, and as a further narcissistic display, I'd like to point out that I have more Google hits than ], who also is notable enough to merit a Misplaced Pages article in your mind. In fact, I dare you to emperically prove that Jay Resop has done more to shape Internet culture than Nevin Zehr. ] 05:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC) ****Oh, and as a further narcissistic display, I'd like to point out that I have more Google hits than ], who also is notable enough to merit a Misplaced Pages article in your mind. In fact, I dare you to emperically prove that Jay Resop has done more to shape Internet culture than Nevin Zehr. ] 05:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
***** If you knew how Google truly worked (like I do), you wouldn't be so egotistical. Google finds the keywords you enter and matches it to links to the site. Sure the words "Bob and George" may give you 100,000 hits, but only 564 sites actually link to the webcomic, which is roughly the same number of sites that link to SMBhq (though admittedly NC is linked by only 46 sites). - ] 05:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC) ***** If you knew how Google truly worked (like I do), you wouldn't be so egotistical. Google finds the keywords you enter and matches it to links to the site. Sure the words "Bob and George" may give you 100,000 hits, but only 564 sites actually link to the webcomic, which is roughly the same number of sites that link to SMBhq (though admittedly NC is linked by only 46 sites). - ] 05:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
*'''Unless evidence provided''' that this comic has been mentioned in ] as the first sprite comic and that this does in fact have historical relevence, this does not comply with out policies on ]. Inclusion of this article in the absence of such would violate our policy on ] as there exist many many other similar webcomics that are not included. As there is clear consensus on notability demonstrated on AfD and in the ] ] that support it, including all other webcomics is clearly not a viable way to redress this bias. There is no other conclusion than but that this should be deleted based upon the facts in evidence. <br/> ]]<span class="plainlinks"></span> 05:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Neglected Mario Characters

This has been listed on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Webcomics/Deletion. SPKx 03:01, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I am a fan of the webcomic, but it is Not notable vanity. (see comments) Delete. -Sinatra Fonzarelli 02:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep After a google search turning up 148,000 results it seems notable enought to me... --Amazon10x 02:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Well, it is notable enough for someone(actually many users collaborated on both pages) to have put hours into writing not only the article but also a list of culture references from the comic. Bobby1011 03:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Effort put into something, while noble, doesn't nessecitate notability. If you wanted me to, I could put hours into writing an article on my artist/musician friend who I think is a fucking genius, but it still wouldn't be encyclopedic. The fact that multiple users collaborated gives the article more credit, as it's not just vanity. But the fact of the matter is, I don't think it's notable, and the Misplaced Pages's guide to website notability seems to agree with me.-Sinatra Fonzarelli 03:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, you are arguing on whether or not NC is a notable website. NC is NOT on[REDACTED] because it's a website, it's on[REDACTED] because it is the first known webcomic. Just becuase NC isn't known to the mainstream doesn't mean it shouldn't be on wikipedia. SPKx 03:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
        • There's a difference between not-mainstream and not-notable. 12 Oz. Mouse isn't mainstream. Masonna isn't mainstream. Female circumcision isn't mainstream. A sprite comic that has 700 Google hits and has to have at the most, two or three dozen regular readers, is not notable. And if it is notable, it shouldn't have two articles on Misplaced Pages dedicated to discussing it, one of which that is almost as long as the article on Jesus Christ and has 29 pictures, an article in Wikiquote, and a brief stub-article about the otherwise completely-non-notable (but brilliant, and, on a personal note, a nice guy in my experience) author.Sinatra Fonzarelli 03:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
          • Clarification I didn't vote, I only left a comment. That's because I know that effort doesn't equal notability, though it does show a perception of notability that exists primarily within the subjects intrested party. Bobby1011 03:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
            • Understood. However, I must note that subsequently after nominating this article for deletion, I discovered that the creator of this article, SPKx, is a staff-member at the site that hosts this comic, and that The author of the comic has frequently edited it as well. Not only making this not-notable, but a possible (if not blatant) vanity article. I wouldn't say that many people have edited it, and if they have, it's not out of enthusiasm for the comic, but, and I don't mean to sound rude, enthusiasm for the poor quality of the article. (Ever since the beginning of the creation of the article, edit summaries have been critical; "(Fixing the typo in the FIRST WORD of the article.)", "(removed comentary)", "(Cleanup on aisle 4, cleanup on aisle 4...)") The comic is not notable and this is a vanity article. Sinatra Fonzarelli 03:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
              • OK, who died and made you king of wikipedia? You are not a wiki administrator? The NC article has been a work in progress. It definitely not vanity. Sprite comics like Bob and George and 8-Bit Theatre have wiki pages and there is no reason why NC shouldn't be allowed to have a page, especially since it's the first one! Why don't you stop your complaining and leave us in peace!!!! - SPKx 04:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
                • It seems you don't know that this is what we as Misplaced Pages users can do. It doesn't take a mod to SUGGEST deletion nor does it take one to argue for its deletion. This is vanity and it's not notable and thus that means it should be deleted. It's not a personal attack on you. Pandaman87 04:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
                • I am not a Misplaced Pages administrator, I'm not even a veteran of Misplaced Pages, but Misplaced Pages is a 💕 that anyone can edit and voice their peace on, and I am perfectly free to cite numerous official Misplaced Pages guidelines that basically say that this article is not Misplaced Pages quality and deserves deletion, or at least significiant cleanup. "8-Bit Theater" has 196,000 Google hits. "Bob and George" has 93,500. "Neglected Mario Characters" has 764. Neglected Mario Characters is allegedly the first sprite comic, so it may be notable in the history of webcomics, but not notable enough to merit two massive articles, an article about the author, 20-something uploaded pictures, and a Wikiquotes article. It's not a matter of "leav alone", since Misplaced Pages is not LiveJournal or Geocities, it's a public encyclopedia that has an official, well fleshed-out, well agreed-upon (and relatively pendantic) official policy. I also would like to argue that your tone is highly uncivil, and thus you are not an authority on Misplaced Pages ettiquite. Sinatra Fonzarelli 04:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
          • Two or three dozen? Where did you get those numbers mister? For your information SMBHQ gets, on average, 3,509 visits and 17,722 page views a day! And since NC is one of the top sections at SMBhq, I'm sure a good chunk of those hits go there. - SPKx 03:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • You want notability? Last November, NC was mentioned in a 1up.com artcle. - SPKx 03:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I've never heard of 1up.com, but apparently it is a rather large gaming site. However, being mentioned on a moderately large website is not the litmus test for this sort of thing. Sinatra Fonzarelli 03:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
      • OK, your credibility just flew right out of the window if you never heard of one of the biggest gaming sites on the web, which is run by the same company that own's Electronic Gaming Monthly. - SPKx 04:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Regardless of my credibility regarding video games, video game websites, or video game journalism, ("Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, in order to provide articles for people who can't read."-Frank Zappa. What does that make video game journalism?) none of which are on trial, (especially as I don't regularly play video games, and video games are marginally connected to the issue of whether or not this comic is notable) you have yet to refute the basic fact that according to the Misplaced Pages notability criteria guideline for websites, this webcomic is not even remotely notable. Sinatra Fonzarelli 04:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Only claim that this is an encyclopedic topic is the unverified, unreferenced claim that this "is the first known sprite comic." Lack of reliable sources makes this unsuitable for an encyclopedia article, and means topic does not meet WP:WEB notability guidelines for websites. -- Dragonfiend 04:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: this looks like replay of AfD Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Cultural_References_on_Neglected_Mario_Characters. IMO, those hours spent on Misplaced Pages could make a dedicated website, with no need to constantly watch against vandals and to struggle with deletionists. Pavel Vozenilek 04:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree. The content of this article and List_of_Cultural_References_on_Neglected_Mario_Characters would make an excellent section of the webpage that is the subject of this article. But it is not encyclopedic, and obsessive, nerdy deletionists such as myself will continue to argue that point.
  • Keep Phil Sandifer 04:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The fact that a whole independent webcomic wiki had to be created demonstrates how biased against webcomics these so-called "guidelines" are. I don't want to be banished to that B-site, webcomics should have the right to be at[REDACTED] like everything else. - SPKx 04:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
    • You're preaching to the choir regarding bias against Internet culture in the notability guidelines of Misplaced Pages. This awkwardness is what resulted in the creation of Encyclopedia Dramatica. Until someone, possibly you, authors a brilliant, more-egalitarian guideline for Misplaced Pages regarding what Internet culture is notable, and has it sucessfully proposed and agreed upon, every two-bit website will have to remain in the B-list. However, even in the world of webcomics, yours isn't very notable, in my opinion.
      • "Penny Arcade", a universally known webcomic in the world of webcomics, has about 6,570,000 google hits.
      • "Sinfest", a pretty popular webcomic, has 1,090,000 Google hits.
      • "Achewood", a somewhat well-known one, has 429,000.
      • "Cat and Girl", "Jerkcity", and "Perry Bible Fellowship", three relatively obscure webcomics that have moderately-devout cult followings, have about 300,000 each
      • "Bob and George" and "Elftor", two webcomics that are pushing the envelope on webcomic obscurity, but are still notable enough to merit Misplaced Pages articles, both have about 100,000 each.
      • "Neglected Mario Characters" has 764
      • Just as a contrast, my full name has 947. Do I get a Misplaced Pages article about myself? Sinatra Fonzarelli 05:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Oh, and as a further narcissistic display, I'd like to point out that I have more Google hits than Jay Resop, who also is notable enough to merit a Misplaced Pages article in your mind. In fact, I dare you to emperically prove that Jay Resop has done more to shape Internet culture than Nevin Zehr. Sinatra Fonzarelli 05:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
          • If you knew how Google truly worked (like I do), you wouldn't be so egotistical. Google finds the keywords you enter and matches it to links to the site. Sure the words "Bob and George" may give you 100,000 hits, but only 564 sites actually link to the webcomic, which is roughly the same number of sites that link to SMBhq (though admittedly NC is linked by only 46 sites). - SPKx 05:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Unless evidence provided that this comic has been mentioned in unprejudiced sources as the first sprite comic and that this does in fact have historical relevence, this does not comply with out policies on verifiability. Inclusion of this article in the absence of such would violate our policy on bias as there exist many many other similar webcomics that are not included. As there is clear consensus on notability demonstrated on AfD and in the various guidelines that support it, including all other webcomics is clearly not a viable way to redress this bias. There is no other conclusion than but that this should be deleted based upon the facts in evidence.
    brenneman 05:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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