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Speedy deletion declined: File:Aaliyah in blue.jpg

Hello Soundvisions1, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of File:Aaliyah in blue.jpg, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: subject is deceased so a fair use claim can be made - should be discussed at WP:FFD as it is not blatantly inappropriate. (I'm sure the FAC lot would have picked up on it as well if it were inappropriate). You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before declining such images. CSD F7 - Non-free images or media from a commercial source (e.g., Associated Press, Getty), where the file itself is not the subject of sourced commentary, are considered an invalid claim of fair use and fail the strict requirements of WP:NFCC; and may be deleted immediately. You may also wish to review our policy on non-free content, in particular criteria number 2 - Respect for commercial opportunities. Thank you. Soundvisions1 (talk) 22:41, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hi. Forget the above tb - I placed it here in errorr. I was heavily involved in the article AfD but had nothing to do with the images. Apologies for any confusion.--Kudpung (talk) 12:44, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Useful essay. Civility and AGF policies.

I think you could find useful to reread WP:DTR. Regular users with long history of positive contributions deserve a few human words rather than pasting a boiler plate template. Regarding the substance of your entry on Giakomo's page I find that a civility warning was a sensible thing to do (while the template form was not the best expression of the idea). On the other hand assumption that a prolific editor with a long list of positive contributions misled the community about the usability of the image for encyclopedia work and instead intend to misuse it as a personal file storage to be a violation of WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Would you mind to redact your entry in a civil and friendly manner? Alex Bakharev (talk) 01:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

You seem to not have noticed that I used my own words to issue a warning based around a template. I did not paste "a boiler plate template" and leave it on the users page. It would also do you well to note that I am not involved in that deletion discussion and only issued a warning based on a user "with long history of positive contributions" who has made personal attacks in violation of policy.

From my uninvolved view of the deletion discussion an image was nominated as unused. There is no bad faith in that nom at all. The bad faith has come in by the uploader making strong "own" comments which was met with a link to Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not, which is clear that Misplaced Pages is not a a place for mere collections of photographs or media files with no text to go with the articles nor is it a file storage area. It was also suggested the image could be moved to Wikimedia Commons. These policy based replies were met with a clear lack of civility and amount to personal attacks. Comments calling any editor, admins or not, an "idiot", "ignorant morons" and "ignorant, stupid little admin who has not the remotest idea what you are talking about" are not done in good faith. The uploader has continued their made personal attacks in their response to my warning. Your comment to me, here, asking that I redact your entry in a civil and friendly manner is misplaced. Soundvisions1 (talk) 13:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Strange, for an editor of 3 years standing

I am surprised that you would both template another long term editor, and that you would choose to do so to User:GiacomoReturned with a civility warning. Perhaps you have been fortunate enough to so far conduct your WP editing unaware of both the general and specific nuances preferred in these matters - and it may be for the best if you did not involve yourself further before familiarising yourself with such "protocols". Disruption may take many forms on WP, but there are those admins (even some who are morons and are inept at producing content) who are able to recognise it and take steps to diminish it. I suggest you ensure you conduct yourself more appropriately, if you intend to continue commenting on this matter. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

See above response. Soundvisions1 (talk) 13:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Fine, I shall make myself more clear - I strongly urge you to take advice on whether your current approach is, under the circumstances, appropriate in fostering a collegiate and relaxed editing environment. It is my perception that, instead, you are carelessly embarking on a course of action that will result in increased disruption, and which may lead to you being blocked. For the avoidance of doubt, this is a level 3 ("no assumption of good faith") warning. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:01, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Just curious - is that a threat? Soundvisions1 (talk)

No, it is a warning - just as it said. You were given advice independently by two parties, which you chose to ignore and then acted to potentially escalate a situation. I then warned you of a possible outcome should the result be considered disruptive. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Well than your warning was misplaced as there was no violation of policy on my end. I did not ignore the posts, as anyone can see I actually responded to both. As for what you feel you were commenting on, pointing out that calling editors retarded, idiots, twits and morons is a breach of Misplaced Pages:Civility and Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks is in no way worthy of being issued "a level 3 ("no assumption of good faith") warning." In itself your "warning" to me could be seen as "carelessly embarking on a course of action that will result in increased disruption, and which may lead to you being blocked." Although in assuming good faith I feel you most likely misread, or did not read, what my warning was for. In which case I accept your apology. Soundvisions1 (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your WQA report, you may be right, you may be wrong, but be aware that there's a lot of history here. Very rarely does anything come out of a Giano incivility thread other than a polarizing argument between Giano supporters and Giano opponents. --B (talk) 14:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

WQA

Courtesy note just to say: I closed the WQA report and left Giano a note about being more civil. If several people say it, perhaps the message will get across. No judgement on your actions, but the bottom line is that any discussion about Giano's civility reduces uncontrollably into a drama-fest and fight between his supporters and haters. Probably best to avoid that. Practically speaking there is little else that would have come from even a lengthy WQA thread - blocking Giano is about one of the biggest minefields there is :) particularly as civility blocks have little community support. --Errant 14:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI My attempt was unsuccessful, sorry. I have opened a thread on WP:AN/I with a proposed sanction for Giano which mentions your involvement. --Errant 09:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

Intentionally inflicting stress on another editor by attempting to delete their contributions through the petty application of rules may be construed as a form of trolling. You'd be very wise to disengage from Giano and not participate further in the very counterproductive drama that you have sactimoniously ignited. We are here to try to help each other, not to trip people up, delete people's work, or get people blocked. Many thanks if you will consider what I have said for a day or two, and then respond. Jehochman 20:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Um - excuse me? EDIT: oh, I see - you are mistaken. if you took the time to read the above conversations or the deletion discussion you would have noticed I was not part of any deletion discussion involving your pal. Also you have a very skewed reading of what trolling is. Your comments are very misplaced here. Soundvisions1 (talk) 21:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Soundvisions1 - have you looked at his block log? You'll notice every single block was overturned within hours (usually minutes). This is an editor who gets "special treatment". There are a few and he is one of them. Best to let it lie, because the powers that be won't allow it. HTH :> Doc talk 21:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Why are you asking me that question? I never, at any time, asked for a block of this editor. It was the other way around - At least one editor came here and specifically said I would be blocked if I continued to follow Misplaced Pages policy. Soundvisions1 (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I only mentioned the block log to show that he gets treated differently (his blocks are always overturned) - didn't mean to imply you were asking for a block :> Doc talk 21:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

He has, this is my responsibility (actually if we are being accurate Giano's). Jehochman if you have a point to make then please direct it as me. But I have already received a number of emails variously threatening blocks and "we will be watching your edits, don't slip up now" etc. so I think the point is being made :) --Errant 21:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think anybody needs to be blocked. What needs to happen is that users should stop using "civility" as a weapon to get others blocked. That itself is not civil. If an editor gets steamed, tell them, "You seem to be upset. What's wrong? How can I help?" You'll find that this sort of response is a lot more effective than templating them or petitioning for a Civility Restriction. Jehochman 21:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)