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Nagorno-Karabakh

I would put this map, because Azerbaijan having political and territorial disputes with Armenia about Nagorno-Karabakh. So many countries like China, India, Pakistan, Venezuela, Serbia, Georgia, also have dispute territories, BUT on the maps of thats countries, dispute territories are mark. At the same time, me and some users also talking about Georgian map. Georgian user by nationality, don't want put map where mark Abkhazia and South Ossetia, because on the Azerbaijani map which put right now, not mark Nagorno-Karabakh. I change that, BUT Azerbaijani user by nationality don't want put map with dispute territories!

Guys, it's really funny.

Chinese users haven't say NO to map where mark Taiwan
Indian and Pakistani users haven't say NO to maps (India/Pakistan) where mark dispute Jammu and Kashmir
Russian users haven't say NO to map in Russian wiki, where Kuril Islands mark like dispute by Japan.

So u try hide on maps of your countries dispute territories, but people know about that in all. And that like u or not, but this maps with dispute territories will be put on pages about of your countries.

Azerbaijan and Georgia, is NOT special countries! It's countries with people, like in other countries, so it's wrong so you two mark its if compare with others.

EGroup (talk) 06:30, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Is there anywhere a global discussion on this? --vacio 19:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

It's wrong so u Azerbaijani users hide it, like afraid show political problems in your country, or like elevate your country to the rest of World. On the map must be shown dispute territories so people have to know where is it. Maybe it's funny but some people don't know geography in generally, and they may think so Nagorno-Karabakh to north from Baku, or to west, to south, or maybe it's in Baku.

Yes, we have know global discussion, but I think it's not for longer. EGroup (talk) 20:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

As you was told on Georgia talk, a general rule about such territories is needed. --Proger (talk) 20:47, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

EGroup has made a post here. If anyone wants to follow this up, I suggest they take discussion there. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 03:37, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

We cannot have a "general rule" on this, because each case is unique and needs to be treated on its own merit. It's a careful deliberation of both the de facto and the de jure status of these territories.

As far as I understand, this is probably closest to the case of Transnistria, and so I would support that however we treat this, the two cases should be treated more or less consistently.

Note, btw, how the Moldavia infobox has no locator map, but an overview map of Moldavia. I am not a big fan of locator maps, and I used to prefer infoboxes that show a simple overview map. These locator maps basically tell the reader "we assume that you are a clueless American high school student, so we'll begin by showing you where on the globe you can find the country you just looked up." Our readers on average aren't really that stupid or uninformed, and I assume that these famous locator maps do very little towards improving the value of our articles. --dab (𒁳) 10:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

ah yes, so the article on the modern Republic is at Moldova, and it does have a locator map. So much the worse for me and my preferences. This locator map even makes an effort at displaying Transnistria in light green, and fails completely, the light green literally not even showing up a s a single pixel in the thumbnail, which shows two things,

• the futility of drawing locator maps for small countries that show them on a map of the entire globe (why not break down and locate Moldova on a map of the solar system?)
• the futility of trying to heap details on political disputes on thumbnailed locator maps (why not break down and show the location of each individual secessionist in each country as a small moving dot, commuting to work each morning?)

and in addition how the two problems exacerbate each other if they happen to coincide in a single map. --dab (𒁳) 10:40, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Nowrooz is originally from Iran

It is interesting that Nowrooz is mentioned here as a azari celebrating, while it is originally from Iran and all of azarbayjan has Iranian culture as it belonged to Iran and was seprated by russia by force!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.82.4.123 (talk) 20:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Northern Iran

Since a huge number of Iranian population are Azeri (Including me!) and those people are genetically related to other Iranic Peoples, I think the term "Northern Iran" is both historically and logically more accurate.

Locator map

File:Europe location AZE.png isn't intended as a locator map of Azerbaijan. It is intended to illustrate which portion of Azerbaijan is in Europe. As such, it may have applications at European states or at transcontinental country, but it is hardly useful as a generic locator map in this article's infobox. --dab (𒁳) 10:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Map

The main map should reflect that Nagorno Karabakh is a de facto independent region, that doesn't fall under Jurisdiction of Azerbaijan. The Nagorno Karabakh portion should have a different shade of colour or be marked with border. Look at Serbia's map for an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Europe-Serbia.svg Mov25 (talk) 17:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

However, there is a major difference between Kosovo and the NKR: no one has had the sack to recognize the NKR. So the situations are not equivalent. --Golbez (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Look at Moldova's map, look closely and you see its breakaway state is shaded. If that is so, than Moldova's map should be change. Or if not, Azerbaijan's. Consistency is golden.Mov25 (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

New Map

Hello all, this map is the most appropriate map as it shows Azerbaijan in the centre of the map. There is a movement slowly in Misplaced Pages to make all country maps in this style. All countries of Caucasus will follow this style. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Azneutmap.PNG

Mov25 (talk) 19:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I will place the new map that shows Azerbaijan in centre. The other Caucasian countries are following suits. If you have any glaring objections make yourself heard and we can discuss it. Mov25 (talk) 02:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

What other "movements" are you talking about? You give no argument at all to change the map like this and you must reach consensus before making a major change like this.Neftchi (talk) 10:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Also stop vandalizing this page with your edits Neftchi (talk) 10:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I believe he is speaking about keeping consistency on wikipedia. The countries of the South Cacasus are in the same geographic region and therefore it only seems proper that they maps should reflect the region better rather than attemping to show them as part of Europe. Which as you can see, puts Azerbaijan in the far bottom right corner.--Moosh88 (talk) 02:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

At least four editors have done reverts over the past 10 days, including me, to return to an old locator map with the country-in-question somewhere near the center, not on the extreme edge as prefered by twice-banned (in part for violating WP:SOCK User: ComtesseDeMingrelie (he/she has recently blanked his/her user talk page). If other editors prefer a different map, make that suggestion here; However, please note that you will find that unless it has the country-in-question somewhere near the middle, it will not meet acceptance nor meet the wide consensus of WP editors regarding country locator maps.DLinth (talk) 16:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

User: ComtesseDeMingrelie has wasted a lot of man hours around here, and we really need to learn to be less forgiving and lenient in such cases. If somebody clearly isn't here to write an encyclopedia, we can just tell them to go away. We are still held to apply and assume good faith with people who struggle with making a useful encyclopedic suggestion, but people who are clearly just gaming the system aren't worth our time. --dab (𒁳) 10:04, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

The current (orthographic projection) map is the best and most neutral version. Its also the standard map on other countries. So lets just stick with that one and be done with the discussion. Neftchi (talk) 13:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Agreed; the current (orthographic projection) map has the key ingredients....the country-in-question somewhere near the middle, and it's not a map of Europe...i.e., not a barely-disguised attempt WP:DUCK to say that Azer. is "in Europe" DLinth (talk) 14:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Except Azerbaijan is not coloured on the world view map. I don't understand what the issue people had with the previous map, you really have to see the whole world to point out Azerbaijan? MosMusy (talk) 02:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I think the inset is good enough at showing the country in color. I agree with your second point regarding scale, but the inset helps on that, and after so much past contention before reaching consensus on this map, shouldn't everyone hesitate before changing it (again)? (as User: Neftchi says above. ) Consensus is clear that the locator map must have the country somewhat near the middle, meaning, for Caucasus countries, it cannot be a map of Europe (or a map of Asia)...the current map is ok on that. DLinth (talk) 16:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

The information panel map is confusing. The zoomed inset is placed in the top right hand corner of the field and coincidentally has maritime borders similar to those of Eastern Russia, so Azerbaijan appears to slot perfectly into Russia's Pacific Coast where Vladivostok is. Perhaps a smaller inset could be placed nearby, so as not to create confusion as to the actual location of Azerbaijan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rgctobin (talk • contribs) 22:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Changes

I made some changes. Added sources, merged lose sentences, removed images as they were sandwiching the text, merged the subheadlines of modern era into one. Also removed repeating Guba mass graves and unrelated text. Neftchi (talk) 22:50, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Khanates map

As a good faith change, I replaced the Azerbaijani khanates map with a compleet version. The current map didnt show all of the Azerbaijani khanates. I also added a source backing the change. Neftchi (talk) 20:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Map (again)

Given that other similar countries are enacting this format in map, Azerbaijan must also. Meaning, it must show the Nagorno-Karabkah region in light green and the rest of Az. in the dark green. This will show that NKR is not under the control of the Az. Government and is de-facto independent but not de-jure. Check the Georgia, Serbia, and Moldova maps for how this format has been implemented. I recommend this be done quickly for Azerbaijan as well. MosMusy (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Had you bothered to check out the talkpage, you would have seen that we have already discussed this. Every country is a different, separatist states in Serbia, Georgia, etc are recognized by at least one UN country. That doesnt apply to NK. Besides the map is wrong, Naxcivan is not even shown. So your POV pushing is unacceptable. Neftchi (talk) 08:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

What? So recognition by one UN country makes it appropriate to show the territory? First off, the reason that this territory is being shown, is not because of recognition, but because the territory is not under the control of the Azeri government, it is de-facto independent. Thus it should be shown in an appropriate manner. Plus, Moldova shows its breakaway territory, and its territory is not recognised by any UN country. Not showing Karabakh is POV pushing as it goes against an accepted format in Misplaced Pages. MosMusy (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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