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		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
		Your essay work at WP:ROPE has been one of my major influences for years, both on and off Misplaced Pages. Don't let a blocked sock let you think any differently, your essay matters. Tathar (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Well thank you very much, it's always gratifying to know your work is appreciated. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully I can use it to encourage administrators to make more effort to reform blocked users rather than just shut them out from editing. There's one blocked user in particular who probably would have responded better to civility and helpful suggestions rather than the administrative actions that were limited to the denied block appeal templates. Aside from the username and some less than ideal responses on his/her talk page to cookie-cutter reasons to deny unblocking, the user seemed to be a rather constructive editor interested in bettering Misplaced Pages. I understand that Misplaced Pages isn't the same as Kongregate by any means, but from a community management perspective, I can't see any reason for administrators to be anything but civil and helpful to even the worst problem users so they can better themselves. --Tathar (talk) 00:59, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

ACN

Hi! Would you care to clarify who you meant by your comment here? Maybe it should be obvious, but at least I can't find a user that would fit your description. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 12:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

replied elsewhere. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Lackadaisy

The webcomic Lackadaisy has been nominated for a major award, the Eisner Award. I was going to add the nomination to the article, but see it was deleted (barely) in February. Would you have any objection to me restoring the article, and adding the Eisner nomination? I believe it meets the standard for notability. --Elonka 16:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

As I was only the closer for the AFD it is less about my objections than the those who actually participated in the AFD. However, I don't see any significant coverage of the comic itself in those sources, which is exactly why it was deleted to begin with. If it actually wins it may get more significant attention. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Does this mean that you would object to an undelete? I agree that the AfD was borderline, so it kind of falls into the category of admin discretion. Personally, I would have closed the AfD as "no consensus, defaults to Keep", but it's a borderline enough case that I could see that different admins would have closed it differently, so it's not really worth taking it to DRV. I do see that there was more press about Lackadaisy in Draw! magazine, but sadly it is print only and not online. I do feel that the Eisner award nomination, and the new press, do mean that the article should be restored. Or, what else would you like to see, in order to justify undeleting the article? --Elonka 17:55, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

BTW, here's the cite on the 14-page article (which I'd like to add if we undelete):

• Manley, Mike (Spring 2011). "Cats, Gats, and all that Jazz: an interview with Tracy Butler". Draw!. Vol. 1, no. 20. TwoMorrows Publishing. pp. 27–41.

--Elonka 19:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't really say if I would object to it or not without seeing the new version, I'm not opposed to it in principle and if you have more significant sources than were in use before then it shouldn't be subject to CSD under G4 either. I would say either userfy it or slap {{inuse}} on it after restoring while you add new content and sources and you should be good to go. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and would you like to undelete it, or shall I, with a note that I discussed it with you? Also, as another option, I'm wondering if the whole thing should be moved to Tracy Butler, since the interviews tend to be with her rather than specifically about the webcomic itself, and then there could be a section on Lackadaisy in her article, which we could redirect the Lackadaisy link to. Any thoughts on that? --Elonka 20:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and re-created the article at User:Elonka/Lackadaisy. With your permission, I'll move it back into mainspace? --Elonka 20:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I only see one problem: some text in the new draft is partially based on the deleted version so a WP:HISTMERGE should probably be done, or you could restore the deleted version and then indicate by edit summary that you are merging in content from this draft. Somehow the attribution for the original work needs to be attached to this new version. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that too, and agree that undeleting and merging is the way to go. We'd hate to lose all the edit history! --Elonka 17:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and undeleted and expanded the article, per our discussions. I wasn't quite sure how to notate this in the {{multidel}} template though! Could you take a look at how I did it at Talk:Lackadaisy? Feel free to make any changes you'd like. Thanks, --Elonka 17:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

As a followup, I have located a number of additional sources and added them to the article, so I think it's doing pretty well now. Thanks again for your help! --Elonka 20:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Possible new old user

Hi! I see that you were the admin who unblocked User:M4pnt (contributions) back in October. He had been using multiple accounts, but it seemed like a fair case of a lack of understanding the rules. Anyway, I've recently noticed a new user, User:Mtlv0 (contributions). This user's edits begin 2 days after M4pnt's left off, and seem to be on the exact same articles or types of articles (European/Swedish death metal musicians/bands/albums, and UFC-related articles, including specific fighters, albeit different fighters per account). Mtlv0's edits on the death metal articles I'm watching/editing are very similar to M4pnt's. I personally don't know how to determine whether two accounts are the same person (using the whois feature, for example), so I thought I'd bring this to your attention. I could be completely wrong here, which is why I figured starting a note on your talk page would be better than making wild accusations and starting a sock-puppet review. I'm also not saying that anyone should be blocked (except any puppet accounts if they do in fact exist), but maybe reminded again about the multiple accounts policy (if it is the same user, Misplaced Pages policy doesn't seem to stick, he needs reminders every so often). Lastly, if this entire post is out-of-bounds, then please accept my apologies and feel free to delete and ignore it. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

This was a while ago so I'm still looking at the details, but I did warn them quite clearly about using multiple accounts when they were unblocked. There may be a WP:COMPETENCE issue here, the previous socks were also rather obvious. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'm now convinced it's the same editor, under a new name (obviously so he could go back to his poor editing style and pretend like he didn't know that). This diff he says that someone already told him about a page, that this user hasn't ever edited. However, he was told (by myself and another editor) here: User talk:M4pnt#Bloodbath. Can you check this out? It's starting to become disruptive, and going back to revert all these edits is quite time-consuming. If I can do anything, please let me know. Thanks! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I;m thinking it's probably time to file at WP:SPI and let a checkuser look into it. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright, will do. Thanks! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/M4pnt MrMoustacheMM (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It is happening again...

...please see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Superbradyon (2nd nomination). Drmies (talk) 02:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

There is a problem that you may be able to resolve with an unusual intervention

Hello Beeblebrox,

User:Iaaasi often requests checkusers at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Stubes99 in a surreptitious manner, whilst he is a twofold indef-blocked and community banned user. The last time that happened was 3 days ago via a Ip and then via a registered sock account . I tried to obstruct the checkuser request of the sock of Iaaasi with making about 20 reverts on that page as banned users have no right to edit Misplaced Pages, but his exertions were eventually successful in launching the process again. Originally, Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Stubes99 was opened by CyanMoon, who is one of the detected sockpuppets of Iaaasi , just like YellowFF0, who was the second submitter of the page..

And because the most active participant of this checkuser request page was Iaaasi, yet when he was allowed to edit the English Misplaced Pages under his original account and he is still a recurring host there....

Would it be in order to request Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Stubes99 to be semi-protected so that the page to be possible to edit only by established users?

(I know well that it may seem strange that if a checkuser request page is semi-protected , but his IP range is too wide to a perennial Ip range-block.)

--Nmate (talk) 12:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow. We sure do attract some odd people here don't we? I've run into something similar to this before, another banned user who was tagging their own sockpuppet accounts. Why? No idea. I'm sure a research psychologist would have a field day analyzing the behavior of some of the banned trolls and their bizarre activities. Anyway, if it's a continuing problem there may be a case for semi protecting the page, but the level of disruption would have to be pretty bad since those accused of socking are often unconfirmed users and they need the opportunity to defend themselves from the accusations. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for your answer.--Nmate (talk) 13:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI he also emailed me and apparently several other other users with oversight permission about this, so there are more eyes on it now. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Randy Roth

On 15 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Randy Roth, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Randy Roth was convicted of faking a boating accident in order to cover up the murder of his fourth wife? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

3,200 views in six hours! I'd like to thank my mom, the academy, and Jesus. Wait, scratch that, I'd like to thank Ann Rule and the reporters at The Seattle Times circa 1992. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Feedback

Hi Beeb. If you have a moment, I would appreciate your feedback on this. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

MONGO and the edit war at the 9/11 article

Thank you for intervening to keep the editorial process going at our article on 9/11. Can I ask you to keep an eye on this editor as well? He had a spate of edit-warring on the article back in February, followed by this recent disruptive revert while an RfC is actually in progress on the talk page. He already knows about the Arbcom remedies as he has been blocked once already for his behavior there. While prompt edit-warring is an obvious threat, slow motion and tag-team edit-warring by experienced editors should also be regarded as sanctionable, in my opinion. See what you think, and thanks again for taking on this task. Wow! I just saw this which I see you reverted so you are already aware of this. I see you warned him back then and received this in reply. I believe civility was one of the recommendations of the 2008 Arbcom case, wasn't it? --John (talk) 05:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes it was. However my primary goal is to calm everyone down, blocking MONGO for that would probably not have helped with that goal. Since it was me he was attacking I couldn't really issue the block anyway. Despite what MONGO thinks I don't like blocking good faith users unless there is no other choice, and I take WP:INVOLVED more seriously than many other admins. Hopefully this latest RFC will resolve this issue for a while, although I'm sure it will come back eventually. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, and I shouldn't have posted here without properly researching your involvement. Sorry about that. Please keep up the good work there. --John (talk) 04:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Laurence Marquette

On 19 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Richard Laurence Marquette, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that serial killer Richard Laurence Marquette was the first person to be an eleventh name on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 09:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

• ZING! 8.8k views! Beeblebrox (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Ma'ale HaShalom info removal

Hi Beeblebrox,

I would prefer not to edit-war, so I am bringing this up here. I think that for the good of the outcome of this Afd that the info you tried to remove should remain there so a fair judgment can be made. If the Afd is closed as a keep, feel free to remove it afterwards, and I will not revert it anymore. Sebwite (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

You don't seem to grasp some of our core content policies. WP:V being the primary one at play here. There are no WP:RS that discuss the subject and say it is a street name. None. Not even one. I therefore removed the content that seemed to be WP:OR and the content sourced to a novel. We can't present unverified material as if it were fact. The only source remaining is the much touted guide to every street name in Jerusalem, which says this is the name of a gate and does not mention a street by this name. This is the third time I have endeavored to explain all this to you, the third time I have indicated which policies are being violated, and the third time you have insisted that your personal feeling about this issue somehow overrides all these policy violations. You are dead wrong sir, and reverting it again without even attempting to refute my policy based reasoning would in fact be edit warring. You ask that users be allowed to make a fair judgement. I agree. They can judge the article based on the two sentences that can actually be verified, and not all the made up stuff that was removed. Since I noted my actions at the AFD anyone participating there would know to look in the page history for the old versions that contained the multiple violations of our most basic principles as an encyclopedia project. You do understand that we don't generally allow people to just make stuff up and post it as if it were fact, don't you? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

So, what does "see discussion" mean? In this discussion, and at the AFD I have outlined clearly and specifically what the problems are with this content, and cited several policies that are relevant to the situation. You have said nothing beyond "I don't think we should do that while the AFD is underway" and you have stated you don't want to edit war, while you have in fact reverted my edits twice without citing any policy, guideline, or anything other than your own feelings. So, do you have a policy, guideline, or other reason to cite above and beyond your own feelings or have you decided that your feelings will now dictate what is and is not allowed in a Misplaced Pages article and we'll just throw the five pillars out the window in favor of your emotions? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Beeblebrox, I'd like to thank you for the hook you came up with for my DYK. It did a good job.Regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Wow, that's a lot of page views! Beeblebrox (talk) 14:42, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

re: ...

this post. Actually it is sort of mentioned in the this section (last item), it's just that it's titled as: "Mexican-American War vs Mexican–American War"; which is kind of where this all got started. Took me a while to find it, but I thought I had seen someone post something about those "short horizontal lines" on that page a while back. How's it going Beebs? Hope all is well, Cheers. — Ched :  ?  06:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I really do think it is the all-time champion of lame disputes. I thought I had seen it all on here, but arguing at such length and with such intensity over something so meaningless is a new low. Doing well generally, kind of dismayed at the direction Misplaced Pages is headed though. Seems like you can't get anything done without having a 2-6 month long debate about it anymore. The WP:PCRFC fiasco being a perfect example, the main question it was meant to resolve was pushed to the back and remains unaddressed. Been doing some more article work lately to remind myself of what actually is important around here. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:RFA2011

Task Force news: Recent updates include basic minor changes and condensing at the main page, additional comments on the main page talk page, a new project sub page and talk for Radical Alternatives, and messages at Task force talk. A current priority is to reach suggested criteria/tasks for clerks, and then to establish a local consensus vis-à-vis clerking. Please remember to keep all the project and its talk pages on your watchlist. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

request to check the oversight log

Could you please have a look at User_talk:Phantomsteve#deleted page not having a log entry? and confirm whether the log was oversighted? It is either that or some kind of bug. Yoenit (talk) 07:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Both the suppression and deletion logs come up blank, despite the fact that the page was obviously deleted. Never seen anything like that before, must be some kind of weird bug. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It will do that if somebody uses RevDel on the deletion log entry. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Closing RfC

When the RfC at 9/11 attacks runs its course, are you planning on closing it? Or should we seek an admin at WP:ANB. Either works for me, but I was just curious. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hadn't thought about it, wasn't really planning on closing it. Even though I didn't participate I am trying to keep this debate at arm's length as much as possible so if another admin is willing to do it that would be my preferred option. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, that's fine. When it expires, I'll post a request at WP:ANB. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi!!Beeblebrox. I was away on vacation and logged in toady to see notification re Babaria page. I just wanted to say thanks and for your timely intervention.Jethwarp (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Babaria

Hi!!Beeblebrox. I was away on vacation and logged in toady to see notification re Babaria page. I just wanted to say thanks and for your timely intervention.Jethwarp (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That user was on a bit of a tag-bombing spree, but he seems to have gotten the message to slow it down and be more accurate. I don't think there was ever any danger of the article actually being deleted since the nom was so obviously wrong, but thanks for noticing! Beeblebrox (talk) 16:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Cort Webber and Bobby "Fatboy" Roberts

I noticed that you pulled the plug on both of these pages, despite some rather intense efforts to save them and an outcry from many readers. I have to ask: did you consider the sources included in these articles, including publications like the Oregonian and Cinematical, before deleting them? Hawthornestreetblues (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

There have already been many deletion discussions regarding these people and their show, including this deletion review. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The above account is most likely a sockpuppet of Stumptowner (talk · contribs), btw. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I missed all the excitement, been out all day. In the nearly inevitable case that this should come up again, I would direct any interested parties to my closing statement at the AFD, in which I explicitly explained the logic behind the close. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Saw this diff and grinned. Thanks Beeblebrox. :) Steven Walling 01:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Captainteague.jpg no longer orphaned.

After the deletion of the individual character article for Captain Teague and its subsequent redirect to List of Pirates of the Caribbean characters, I have edited this image into the latter article and it is no longer orphaned. --Ifrit (Talk) 03:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Noted, nomination retracted. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussions

Hi Beeb, I agree 100% with your statement here - so true. That's why it's almost impossible to get anything done. I just hope RFA2011 doesn't get snarled up the same way. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm still hopeful it won't end up like WP:PCRFC but not as hopeful as I was at first. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

User review

Sorry about that, I just was troubled by the fact that user was driven away by block and wanted to know whether a name like that would be allowed according to policy. Sorry for not checking. –BuickCenturyDriver 19:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

These things happen. I would say the name is borderline promotional, maybe Mike could have tried discussing first. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Though I'll have to swallow my pride, I'll agree on the latter. –BuickCenturyDriver 21:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Principality of Wy

Hello, I was not personally attacked, had a bit of a go at Argumentum ad hominem directed at me but all in good humour, hope I didn't offend anyone unnecessarily, so I would ask that the deleted bits be put babck. Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Two problems with that: you were the one making personal attacks, and the "Principality" does not publish its address, so we shouldn't either. Suppression is not an action that is undertaken lightly and I have no intention of reversing it. I happen to agree that the whole thing is a bit silly, but the fact is that they have chosen not to publish their address on their website, it only has a P.O. box, and I haven't seen it in any of the other sources used. Looking up the residents address in the phone book and putting it together yourself isn't going to get us past that hurdle. Best to let it go, it's hardly the critical point of the discussion. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted this but perhaps it needs further action? Then this was followed by this. HeLmiT (talk) 10:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Another oversighter got there first. Now that there are three oversighters/admins advising Crusoe8181 to stop posting that information lest he blocked I should hope he will finally get the point. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hi Beeblebrox, as you know AKG looked into my latest block and the bans associated with it, and came to conclusion neither were warranted. Later after my email exchange with you, and by my request AGK modified my block log, and now he's getting reminded about this all the time with the latest reminder made in the thread that in no way is connected to me. I would not like an absolutely innocent person to suffer because of me. AGK is a fair, thoughtful and honest administrator. He declined my ban appeal, when he felt I did not deserve to get my ban lifted, just a few days ago he chided me publicly. He does not deserve to be talked about as he is supporting me in one way or another or prefers me to other users. He is not. He changed my block log, when I asked him to because I have been constantly harassed over the silly bans Gwen added to my block log, with the latest episode of such harassment being here (and it is 2 months after my bans were lifted and without me posting anything to any of these boards at all!)

Anyway to make a long story short, I would not like AGK to suffer because he did a fair adjustment to my block log. He is guilty in nothing. He is not my friend, and he is not my supporter. He is just a fair person, and this offense:-) is not punishable even on wikipedia :-) So, to stop this unfair treatment of AGK, may I please ask you to oversite the change he made to my block log? If somebody should suffer because of my unfair block log, it should be me and me alone.

Sorry for the long post, and thank you for your time and your understanding.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That's very generous of you, but I'm afraid I can't do that. When one is preparing to delete a revision or log entry you see the following warnings:

• Redaction to hide block log entries or hide mere poorly considered actions, criticisms, posts, etc, outside these criteria and without required consensus, or agreement by the arbitration committee, will usually be treated as improper use and may lead to arbitration and/or desysopping.
• Log redaction (outside of the very limited scope of criterion RD2 for the move and deletion logs) is intended solely for grossly improper content, and not permitted for ordinary matters; the community needs to be able to review users' block logs and other logs, whether or not proper.

As you can see from that, the main thing that would be accomplished by taking such an action would be me losing my oversight and possibly administrative rights. You could try asking WP:ARBCOM directly, they are able to make exceptions a single admin cannot. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I see now. Sorry I asked you. Thank you for taking the time to respond and to explain the situation to me. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

possible self block request

I am right now considering a self block request. If I want it, I will let you know shortly. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) /_{Sign mine} 22:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Email

I also mentioned you here. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Badger Drink

Yes, as I very clearly specified I blocked him not because of for the report to WQA, but for his comment there. I strongly disagree with an unblock, and will take this to WP:ANI. Prodego 23:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)