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Hi Kim,

These are the latest:

• Template:phylo
• Template:speciation
• Template:origin of life

They look like this:

If you have any suggestions for articles to include that I may have overlooked, please let's have them. And if you want to give a hand with the upcoming evolutionary ecology template, which is a little short of material, please do: User:Samsara/Template04.

Best wishes, Samsara _contrib 04:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Natural selection, Qg

Hi Kim, thanks for your comments on natural selection. It's nice that there are new people willing to take it forward now that I've resigned from that article.

I wasn't sure what exactly you were trying to do when you temporarily changed the link from the qg template. Just for your interest, when I add the template to an article, I always remove those links from the "see also" section that are also present in the template. So you should be able to find the articles that link to any given subject not through the template by diffing, say "What links to Template:Qg" against "What links to heritability". Hope this is useful. - Samsara _contrib 09:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

NatSel

why heritable and then you contradict yourself ? :( stick to phenotypic  :) Marcosantezana 04:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

you connect to natsel-driven evolution suddenly Marcosantezana 06:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Natural selection is the process in which individual organisms that possess traits favoured by the environment are more likely to survive and reproduce. Natural selection works on the phenotype, the outward form determined by genes (the genotype) in interaction with the environment. The underlying genetic variation in traits comes from genetic processes, such as mutations and recombinations. Only heritable variations in a trait will be passed on to the next generation <-- > here you suddently assume without having said it explicitly that there are selected phenotypes and that there is directional selection while mution selection balance would be compatible with what you wrote before -->, and the frequency of favourable heritable traits will increase in subsequent generations, gradually resulting in the evolution of new forms adapted to the environment. This is a cornerstone of modern biological and medical research. Marcosantezana

please take a look at the unit of selection article i just rewrote. may inspire you about why to stress causation dir.selection: i pointed that out only so you rephrase to avoid that your meaning leaks the intro you are writing is all about evolution by nat.sel. thata rticle already exists and i will oppose replicating it. the focus should be on selection with evolution mentioned only to explain why/how selection is imporant/works/etc best Marcosantezana 19:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I see you just left a message on the talk page that you are retreating for now. But if you look at the article, I placed your version of the introduction in the intro before you wrote your comment to Axel. Moreover, I think that there should be a way to acknowledge both your point AND Axel's in the intro. I urge you to try to work out a compromise with him. It seems to me that you and he have been engaged in a very civil discussion and that is the last thing we want people to retreat from, Slrubenstein | Talk 17:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for putting it up. I was waiting for the consensus. I have changed my last post at the talk page somewhat. --KimvdLinde 18:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The positions are so close I think it would be better if they were dealt with in the same 'Natural Selection' article. The use in modern evolutionary biology could be put forward as the primary definiton if that's what you prefer (although the original view of Darwin is arguably more important outside the world of practising evolutionary biologists). Where Darwin is mentioned in the article his use of the term must be included at that point. - Axel147 19:48, 06 March 2006 (UTC)

kim, you have a consensus of two... non-native speakers who are not evolutionary biologists and have not read the most relevant literature. gimme a break. as long as your "consensus" thing is not well-written and remains focussed on evolution rather than selection i will continue reverting. it's not about you, me, or the proud axel. it's about he subject matter. Marcosantezana 20:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

don't be ridiculous. differential reproduction includes mortality. didn't you read the cute gazelle example i kindly included for your mommie ?  ;)

Natural selection

I have blocked Marcosantezana (talk · contribs) for a WP:3RR violation. You are not far from one yourself today. I suggest that you not revert a fourth time (despite it currently being in a state you don't prefer). I hope that after Marco's block expires the conflicting parties can come to some agreement. --best, kevin 06:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, I have been watching the article from afar for a little while. I hope that this block will encourage him to be more cooperative. --best, kevin 06:20, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Please don't abandon the page. This is an important part of our encyclopedia. If this block does not help in keeping Marco at bay, I will begin a dispute resolution process against him. Ultimately if he doesn't reform, WP:ArbCom will probably ban him from editing the article. --best, kevin 19:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Parrot

Thank you Kim for keeping my comment in there even if put in a different place. You rock!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.7.154 (talk • contribs) Hi Kim, this is Mr. Arrogant, I have added more resources supporting the fact that Cockatoos are parrots on the discussion page. I hope I am adding to your talk page correctly, I didn't see anywhere else to add text.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.7.154 (talk • contribs)

any changes were completely unintentional, you don't need to attempt to be so stern. you don't even know me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.7.154 (talk • contribs)

By the way, it looks like you got told by kevin earlier today (see article above). I think you are just angry at this and taking it out on my. You should learn some anger management techniques. Hey I am at a hotel. Tomorrow I will be at a new hotel.

You are wrong. it was unintentional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.7.154 (talk • contribs)

Kim, in the spirit of helpfulness and positive contributions I want to help you with your english. There were a couple recent misspellings by you "practise, annonynious, editr." I would like to take this opportunity to help increase your english proficiency. I hope you find this helpful. THe correct spellings are actually "practice, anonymous, and editor." I hope you find this helpful. No need to thank me.  :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.7.154 (talk • contribs)

Oh, just one more for you. middel is actually spelled 'middle.' Hope this helps. Have a glorious day!

References on natural selection

Hi, you asked about references for points I made in thinking about natural selection. Can you edit that document and add {{cite needed}} after every statement you would like supported by a reference? I'll have to then dig them up from somewhere, might take some time...

Thanks,

Samsara (talk • contribs) 12:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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