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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

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Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

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{{subst:NewDYKnom
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 | hook         = ... that this ] is an  ''']''' ''(pictured)''?
 | author       = User1
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	{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 13

Justice League Dark

• ... that as part of the DC Universe reboot, Justice League Dark has been launched featuring some of DC Comics' stranger, supernatural characters?

Created by Bennydigital (talk). Self nom at 16:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

• Still needs about 1,000 more characters of prose to be eligible (see criteria here). Do you think you can expand it some more? Arbitrarily0  18:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think that's it expanded, although as more info comes out, I will be trying to keep this one spruced! Benny Digital 08:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

• It's quite close now! Just a little more prose and I think it could work. Arbitrarily0  21:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

• I've added a little more and it's now bang on 1500 chars. I'm quite chuffed with that ;) Worm · (talk) 14:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Phew! Cheers guys! Next time I'll count first, then nominate! Didn't wig that formatting etc.. wasn't included at first!Benny Digital 20:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Operation Longstep Benny Digital 20:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Good to go when ref tags are fixed (no space before, and always after, not before, punctuation). Also, consistent en dashes in the "Characters" sections, please. The hook barely passes the interest test. Tony (talk) 08:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 14

Ian Agol

• ... that University of California, Berkeley math professor Ian Agol has a twin brother who is a University of Washington astronomy professor?

• Comment: Hope the Swahili rule will apply, as creator Bottle11 has never had a DYK credit before.

Created by Bottle11 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 14:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nom'd 9 days after creation. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I could learn Swahili here but: ref fmt is highly inconsistent, the provided ref about the twin is the twin's own page and it does not mention Ian at all. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Annada Mangal

• ... that the Bengali poem Annada Mangal eulogizes the Hindu goddess Annapurna?

• Comment: Hope the Swahili rule will apply, as creator Jonoikobangali has never had a DYK credit before.

Created by Jonoikobangali (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 14:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nom'd 9 days after creation. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

agf offline refs.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Henryk Kuna

• ... that bas reliefs at a public monument in Wilno by the sculptor Henryk Kuna were dismantled by the Nazis, but the site still served as a popular meeting place for political dissidents in the 1980s?

Created by SteveStrummer (talk). Self nom at 03:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Ukrainian American Veterans
• Barely squeaks by at 1600 characters, but creation date and citations check out. Might I suggest inserting "...dismantled by the Nazis, but the site still served." Currently the hook implies it was the original monument. Froggerlaura (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. SteveStrummer (talk) 13:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

• Whilst assuming good faith about the contents of the source, there is a minor discrepancy between the hook and the text, which says that the statue was bombed (without saying by whom). There is no mention of its demolition/dismantled by the Nazis. --Ohconfucius 16:10, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

The source states that Kuna's unfinished statue was destroyed by a bomb during the invasion, and that "under Nazi occupation, the granite slabs were used to widen the main path of a cemetery." This is equivalent to "dismantling." SteveStrummer (talk) 21:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• • The discrepancy is even stronger according to another offline source used in pl:Pomnik Adama Mickiewicza w Wilnie (meaning Adam Mickiewicz statue in Vilnius): "w wyniku problemów finansowych oraz lokalizacyjnych, prace przeciągały się ... W związku z wybuchem II wojny światowej oraz utratą Wilna przez Polskę i rozpoczęciem okupacji sowieckiej sprawa budowy pomnika została zawieszona." = because of financial and localisation problems, the work dragged out ] ... Because of World War II and the loss of Vilnius by Poland and the start of the Soviet occupation, work on the statue was suspended. pl:Pomnik Adama Mickiewicza w Wilnie goes on to say that the bas-relief pieces that had been built by Kuna for the statue were put around Jokūbonis' 1984 statue only in 1996. Googling for Polish-language sources, the general online consensus seems to say the same things. Saying that the "statue" was destroyed by a bomb (article text) seems dubious. Saying that the Nazis dismantled pieces of the project that were being put in place or refused to let people (e.g. Kuna) continue work would be consistent with the other sources; as part of the attempt at crushing Polish culture this is credible. In the absence of online sources, this is only credibility, it's not direct sourcing of the hook, and the hook would need to talk of dismantling a "statue project" or a "partially built statue" rather than a "statue". It does seem a little odd that Polish-language sources wouldn't seem to want to state that the partially built statue was literally exploded by the Nazis if that was generally known. Maybe the article author(s) could put some quotes from the book so that a better-sourced hook could be written? Incidentally, Vilnius (Wilno in Polish) was controlled by Poland around the time the statue project started, but is presently the capital of Lithuania. "Poland" could be replaced by "Vilnius". In the 1930s, 1980s, and 1990s - as covered by the article text - Vilnius changed hands between three different countries: Poland 1930s, Soviet Union 1980s, Lithuania 1990s. Boud (talk) 20:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Changed the hook to express the point that the bas reliefs, not necessarily the monument itself, were dismantled. I added the same change to the article now. Is this better?SteveStrummer (talk) 21:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not too clear on the offline sources bit, the Snyder source says the bas reliefs were hit by a German bomb in September and the remaining reliefs (assumed damaged) were used to make a cemetery path.

On second thought, maybe the Google Books refs are not viewable everywhere, so I have put a quote of the hook citation in the article. Froggerlaura (talk) 00:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the political dissident controversy:

• Maybe ALT1 ... that bas reliefs designed by the sculptor Henryk Kuna for a public monument in Wilno were re-appropriated as cemetery pavers during the Nazi occupation of Poland. Froggerlaura (talk) 22:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

That alt hook is fine with me too. Thank you for giving it thought. SteveStrummer (talk) 23:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 looks correctly sourced to me, though i think there are still several points to consider:

1. It's fair to say that he also "built" or "made" them (to me, "designed" suggests drawing up a plan that someone else carries out...).
2. It seems to me that the most NPOV name of the city would be the name of the Misplaced Pages article: Vilnius. If we wanted to include the Polish POV since the city was occupied by/part of (depending on POV) Poland at the time, then we would need something like "what was then officially known as Wilno".
3. Whether Vilnius is or was Lithuanian or Polish is historically POV; referring to the Nazi occupation of Poland seems to me to favour the Vilnius-is-or-was-Polish POV. That might be justifiable, but IMHO it would be safer to avoid these POV issues unless we're sure about them.

So i suggest:

• ALT2: ... that bas reliefs being made by the sculptor Henryk Kuna for a public monument in Vilnius were re-appropriated as cemetery pavers during the Nazi occupation?

Boud (talk) 18:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think ALT2 works as well, but shouldn't there be something after the word occupation (something neutral since several nations laid claim to the town)? Such as, "during the Nazi occupation of the city." Froggerlaura (talk) 20:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• i agree with "during the Nazi occupation of the city." i had thought of "Nazi occupation of Vilnius", but somehow this seems to have the connotation to me that the Nazi occupation of Vilnius was a very distinct event from WWII. However, "Nazi occupation of the city" seems OK. Maybe it's because "Nazi occupation of Vilnius" sounds more like a proper noun? Anyway, "of the city" sounds OK to me. Boud (talk) 18:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Disagree. The whole context is unambiguous, no other "Nazi occupation" is relevant, so I would question the use of "of the city". --Ohconfucius 06:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2 is good, but I don't see the need for "re-appropriated", so I suggest that we ditch it as a trivial detail. --Ohconfucius 04:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Or how about using plain English: "used" instead of "(re-)appropriated"? i don't see any extra useful meaning from "(re-)appropriated" - if it's a connotation of property, i don't see that the Nazis feeling that they "owned" the artwork-cum-paving stones of a cemetery is so important. Boud (talk) 18:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that bas reliefs being made by the sculptor Henryk Kuna for a public monument in Vilnius were used as cemetery pavers during the Nazi occupation of the city?

This hook seems fine too, thank you all. SteveStrummer (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 15

Alan Sepinwall

• ... that David Chase, creator of The Sopranos, granted his sole one-on-one interview to television critic Alan Sepinwall?

• Reviewed: Huichol art ()

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 22:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook fact is cited to the blog that Sepinwall works for, not a third-party source. In any case, the quoted press release states When "The Sopranos" ended in 2007, creator David Chase granted only one interview and that was to Sepinwall. which is not the same as "granted his sole one-on-one interview" as stated in the article and hook fact. The claim is for a strictly limited period of time surrounding the end of a single TV series, not the entire career of David Chase, and even that claim is suspect. (For example, here is a March 2007 one-on-one between Peter Biskind and Chase for Vanity Fair.) - Dravecky (talk) 06:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • ALT1:... that efforts made by television journalist Alan Sepinwall partially inspired NBC officials to renew the television series Chuck?

    Note, I've also changed the wording of the article itself to make the Chase stuff more clear. — Hunter Kahn 18:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook is just ok in terms of interest, unusualness. Article good, except will you please ration the use of repeated ref-tags? First section 1,2,2,3,3,4,3,3 – this is not what professional publishers will accept ... nor does academic writing condone this uber-dense repeated reffing, unless to support contentious claims. Ref tags have a certain potential to cover backwards. Tony (talk) 09:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Mexican pointy boots

• ... that Mexican pointy boots, made by elongating the toes of normal boots by as much as five feet, are popular among Mexican men in parts of Mexico and the U.S.?

• ALT1:... that Mexican men who wear Mexican pointy boots commonly wear skinny jeans in dance competitions to accentuate their footwear?
• ALT2:... that Mexican pointy boots have become a preferred footwear for the all-male troupes that dance to "tribal guarachero" music in Mexico and the U.S.?

Created by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Aquille Carr

Units check. It says as five feet. It needs a conversion. It's possible that in Mexico they'd quote the length in metric. The common unit 'feet' is linked and should be unlinked. Lightmouse (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at this. How do I go about correcting this? Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The original Mexican value was probably in 'm' or 'cm', so you need to write {{convert|1.5|m|ft|abbr=on}}. You can replace 'm' with 'cm', and 'ft' with 'in' within the template if you want. For other options, just the template documentation or ask at ask at Template talk:Convert. Hope that helps. Lightmouse (talk) 09:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I was gonna query the "feet", too. I like the original hook by far. Why was "United States" linked in the article? And units of measurement, unless bizarre, should not be linked. Please read WP:MOSNUM and WP:OVERLINK Tony (talk) 09:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Can one of you please add the conversion? Really not exactly sure how to do it. And why is it necessary when the reliable source referenced used feet? Plot Spoiler (talk) 21:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I've done it. Hopefully, you'll be able to see from that example how to do it on any other article. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Let's wrap up this DYK shall we? Plot Spoiler (talk) 14:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Magic: The Gathering – Duels of the Planeswalkers 2012

• ... that the game Magic: The Gathering – Duels of the Planeswalkers 2012 features a three-on-one combat mode?

• Comment: It was a redirect before the 15th.

Created by Sven Manguard (talk). Self nom at 03:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

• Article looks fine, but the focus of interest in the hook is unclear. Is three-on-one combat mode unusual in a vid game? If so, please work it in. Tony (talk) 13:59, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Well let me put it this way: The game is excellent, but none of the things that make it excellent are sourced. I can't find an interesting hook. I've already resigned to not getting a DYK for this, I'll just be content with the "Article looks fine" part, being able to stand behind my work is more important than the medals that go with it. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Why not renominate immediately one of these sources emerges? Tony (talk) 09:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 16

Baku Museum of Modern Art

Entrance of the Baku Museum of Modern Art

• ... that the Baku Museum of Modern Art (entrance pictured) was built at the behest of the First Lady of Azerbaijan?

• Comment: Hope the Swahili rule will apply, as creator Angel670 has never had a DYK credit before.

Created by Angel670 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nom'd 8 days after creation. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Silesia

• ... that the SS Silesia was a German ship, became a British ship, and then became an Italian ship before being wrecked in Uruguay?

• Comment: Hope the Swahili rule will apply, as creator KDS4444 has never had a DYK credit before.

Created by KDS4444 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nom'd 8 days after creation. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Oil mafia of Maharashtra

• ... that according to the ASSOCHAM, diversion of kerosene by the Oil mafia of Maharashtra state of India costs the nation estimated Rs.10,000 crore (Rs.100 Billions) annually?

Created by Thisthat2011 (talk). Self nom at 10:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

• Interesting, but 1) the hook is unclear, I'd suggest a totally new one. I was confused the word "terrestrial" (it makes me think of aliens...), and the second part is not very interesting. There are more interesting claims in the article. Second, the article needs categories, and please add talk page wikiproject templates. The lead could use improvement, at the very least, please globalize the article by clarifying which part of the world we are talking about (India, I guess). Ping me on my talk when this is done. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Thisthat, I agree with Piotrus, potentially very hooky, but the article needs considerable work: copy-editing and unlinking. WP is not a dictionary (one of the pillars of the site. Tony (talk) 14:40, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I have done all the suggested changes. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 22:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Much improved, just clarify in the hook, state of what? India? Maharashtra? And the "Rs.10,000 crore (Rs.100 Billions)" is confusing, is "10,000 crore" the same as "100 Billions" of what? Fix the hook and it can go. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I have done the changes and added info on the page to clarify the same too.

One Crore unites in the Indian numbering system equals to ten million units, hence 100 crore units = 1 billion, therefore 10,000 crore unites = 100 billion units. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 22:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, there's been discussion about crore before on en.WP. I'm afraid readers outside the subcontinent will not have a clue, even if it's all very logical. If you want to convert it within parentheses, that would be the least required. Now, we want more India-related articles; have you combed through the site to identify potential copy-editor types who have interest and knowledge of such topics? A collaborative team would be great. A few tips: the paragraphing is very choppy, even for a short article (join it up more, with the intention of splitting paragraphs during the expansion phase). There are grammatical issues ("pilferage") in the opening sentence. "others" is vague in that sense. Location: first sentence doesn't work. How reliable is ref 1? It's a news source; I'm a little concerned, as it's relied on quite a lot. Tony (talk) 15:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • The wording above is still confusing, but now that I think I understand why, how about the alt below? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
• ... that according to the ASSOCHAM, diversion of kerosene by the Oil mafia of Maharashtra state of India costs the nation estimated 100 billion Rs. (10,000 crore) annually?

Glory of Russia Cape

• ... that Glory of Russia Cape is the cape in United States

Created/expanded by Insider (talk). Self nom at 00:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• ARTICLE: not long enough; transliterate cyrrilic script in main text and map. HOOK: don't link "United States" and the names of other commonly known countries. Tony (talk) 03:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Article expanded by user Nvvchar. I translated map into English. --Insider (talk) 11:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
• ALT1 ... that Glory of Russia Cape is actually in the United States? (grammar) - Dravecky (talk) 08:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 17

Evil Spirits Intellectualism and Logic

• ... that in his theological treatise Evil Spirits Intellectualism and Logic, the Louisiana clergyman L. L. Clover urges young men to steer clear of Hugh Hefner's Playboy philosophy?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• This article is based entirely on citations to the off-line text of the referenced treatise and to a single published piece discussing the work. The one cited published pieces is off-line and authored by Billy Hathorn, who is also the author of the Misplaced Pages article. According to the article, Hathorn's article was published in a Louisiana historical journal. This seems borderline to me on notability and COI issues, but the article meets DYK requirements concerning date of creation and length. I assume good faith on the part of Billy Hathorn in citing to his own published work, though I must say something feels questionable about about a Misplaced Pages editor basing a Misplaced Pages article on self-authored sources. Cbl62 (talk) 13:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• The additional rules for DYK state "D12: Multiple sources are generally preferred, though more leeway may be given for more obscure topics." This is clearly in that area, but the fact that it is an article based on entirely someone's own book is definitely putting into a new category. I'm inclined to say no go and as Cbl62 said, I'm not sure should be on Misplaced Pages at all. I am inclined to say no go to this. Marrante (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed All Saints Church, Maidstone

Dream Logic

• ... that according to Popular Mechanics, the BCI chips used in the Fringe episode "Dream Logic" to connect a scientist's brain with his test subjects have also been used in real-life?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that a Popular Mechanics article disproved that BCI chips can lead to one person "directly read another"'s dreams, as depicted in the Fringe episode "Dream Logic"?

Reviewed State of Pennsylvania (steamboat) (below) Ruby2010 comment! 18:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook seems a little misleading. The chip shares the same name, but are not the same chips. I would say no to the ALT1 hook how it is currently worded, as the PM article itself did not disprove as much as state that no such science exist (disproving involves research, tests, analysis, etc.) maybe a slight rewording

ALT2 ... that BCI chips, used in the Fringe episode "Dream Logic" to connect a scientist's brain with his test subjects, have long been used in real-life? Calmer Waters 05:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Your suggested hook looks great. Thank you for looking the article and ref over (I wrote those two hooks relatively quickly, so thanks for catching the errors). Ruby2010 comment! 18:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Just need another editor's opinion as I can't promote my own hook suggestion. Calmer Waters

Fort Teremba

• ... that the Fort Teremba (pictured) in New Caledonia, was originally built as a military fort and a prison by convict labour, in 1871, at the request of the then Governor Gaultier Richerie?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 06:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Sorry for the delay of a few hours in posting this article.--Nvvchar. 06:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Aspen Community Church.--Nvvchar. 06:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is based on travel guides. Please use more reliable sources for your articles/hooks. I do not mean to sound harsh, but this is a longstanding issue which must be fixed sooner or later. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't based on solely on travel guides, I see a range of sources. As for "using more reliable sources" I've addressed your issue with travel guides as non RS at here. I've just looked for further sources and found very few books other then French publications, a language I am far from fluent in. If I have a google translate assistance and using my dictionary I can proof read usually but you can't google translate google books.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Douglas DC-7B N836D

• ... that a DC-7B that flew as an airliner for Eastern Air Lines from 1958 to 1965 has been restored and flies today carrying sightseeing passengers in Florida?

Created by Alexf (talk). Self nom at 09:32, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and reference verified, all checks out. Good to go. Calistemon (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• Units check. There are many non-metric units that need conversions and format adjustments. Lightmouse (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

•  Done. -- Alexf 14:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Although the conversion template was used extensively, an editor later removed the whole section as it is argued that technical specs belong with the aircraft type, not on individual aircraft, which makes this issue a moot point -- Alexf 19:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Confining the specs to the aircraft type is better. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 09:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Whoa! This article is sourced to the organization's own website, a blank page on another site, and a single article in a magazine listed as two separate sources by listing online and offline versions. With only a single reliable third-party source, notability is a real question here. - Dravecky (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 18

James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, William F. Knox, and Jack Owsley

• ... that despite compiling a combined record of 97-6-6 and winning six national championships from 1899 to 1908, the Yale football team had 10 head coaches in those 10 years, including James O. Rodgers, George S. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, and William F. Knox?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please hold off on reviewing for a day. I still need to do my quid pro quo review. Cbl62 (talk) 02:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

* Reviewed A. K. Chettiar. See diff here. Cbl62 (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

A. K. Chettiar

• ... that Tamil writer A. K. Chettiar published his first magazine at the age of 20?

Created by Sodabottle (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date check out fine. However, there is no in-line citation immediately after the hook fact. Also, it's unclear whether the hook fact is supposed to be supported by the reference cited at note 1 or note 2. The encyclopedia cited at note 1 does not support the fact, and the source cited at note 2 is off-line. Please clarify. Cbl62 (talk) 07:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have consulted Sodabottle and the refs for the hook are now in place. OCNative (talk) 01:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Reportedly haunted locations in Scotland

• ... that reportedly haunted locations in Scotland include a highway, a hotel, a castle, and an air force station?

• ALT1:... that reportedly haunted locations in Scotland include the burial place of a lawyer who tortured Presbyterians and a hotel where a woman committed suicide after her lover (a monk) was murdered?
• ALT2:... that reportedly haunted locations in Scotland include a tenement where plague victims were quarantined and starved to death by local councilmen?

Created by RafikiSykes (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• I sort of question the true reliability of these sources for the most part, but the original hook's air force station ref is a dead link.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have added a new ref from the Montrose Air Station Heritage Centre. OCNative (talk) 07:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Nuku Hiva Campaign

• ... that the United States fought British-allied Polynesians in the Nuku Hiva Campaign in the South Pacific during the War of 1812?

Created by $1LENCE D00600D (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• I started looking at ref 3 in the WP:LEAD. Where can I easily confirm that the Polynesians were British-allied.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
• Also please fix all the bare urls with proper citations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have fixed the bare URL citations. Regarding the hook, I seem to have jumped the gun in my reading about the Englishman Wilson; it seems he was acting as an individual, rather than on behalf of the British military. So, I would like to suggest this ALT hook instead:
  ALT1:... that the United States fought Polynesian warriors in the Nuku Hiva Campaign in the South Pacific during the War of 1812 despite that war being against the British? OCNative (talk) 07:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Yusuf Dadoo

• ... that Muslim Indian South African and Communist anti-Apartheid activist Yusuf Dadoo was buried in Highgate Cemetery near Karl Marx?

5x expanded by Kierano (talk). Self nom at 22:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Battle of Kororareka. -Kieran (talk) 20:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

David Rothenberg, Cassini periodical cicadas

David Rothenberg, who plays music with birds, whales, insects, etc., plays a clarinet with a starling watching.

• ... that a recent YouTube video shows interspecies musician David Rothenberg (shown here with a starling) playing jazz with cassini periodical cicadas, insects noted for their synchronized rhythm?

• Reviewed: Glas (book) ()

Created/expanded by Sharktopus (talk). Self nom at 16:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I also reviewed Manchones (diff), since my hook has 2 articles, both of them short, fascinating, and so easy to read, Sharktopus said very hopefully. Sharktopus 16:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'm adding a "(shown here with a starling)" to the hook. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Kevin, sorry I forgot that. I am changing the hook so it doesn't have "shown" in it twice.

• ALT ... that musician David Rothenberg (shown here with a starling) appears in a YouTube video playing jazz with cassini periodical cicadas, insects noted for their synchronized rhythm?

SS Wandle (1932)

• ... that in World War II the Wandsworth and District Gas Company's flatiron collier SS Wandle fought off at least five enemy attacks and in 1942 survived having her bow blown off by a torpedo?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date, pass. Several offline references taken in good faith. Would have preferred hook reference to have been available for checking. Otherwise, good to go. Haruth (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Self-nominator Motacilla still needs to do a review of another user's DYK nom. OCNative (talk) 05:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

John Saunders (1949-), R v Chaytor

• ... that following a landmark decision of the United Kingdom's Supreme Court, the same judge passed sentence on each of the six politicians charged in relation to the 2009 Parliamentary expenses scandal?

• Reviewed: N/A

Created by Bob House 884 (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• There are 2 articles here, both written on June 18th. R v Chaytor is long enough and would be fine with a different hook. It does not refer to 6 defendants nor to the judge who presided over the trial and sentencing. John Saunders (1949-) does refer to them but I think it may be too short at 247 words of readable prose. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ...that in R v Chaytor the United Kingdom's Supreme Court paved the way for a number of UK politicians to be imprisoned for false accounting in the wake of the 2009 Parliamentary expenses scandal?

Nasothek

• ... that a Nasothek (pictured) is a collection of noses?

Created by Sharktopus (talk). Self nom at 01:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Millennium Mills. Sharktopus 01:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date is ok, nice photos. But the hook fact needs a reference. --Soman (talk) 04:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks -- the hook fact is taken from the Copenhagen museum's display plaque. The Danish and Swedish word for it is Nasotek, but they give the English equivalent as Nasothek, as does another reference cited in the article. I put the quote from the sign into the article and also added an external link to somebody's Flickr photo showing the whole sign, so you don't have to agf. Apologies for missing this obvious requirement. Sharktopus 11:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, good to go now! --Soman (talk) 17:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Saltpond Oil Field

• ... that the Saltpond Oil Field in Ghana, which was discovered in 1970, is managed by SOPCL, the country's oldest crude oil producer?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 12:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Polish Society of the Phonographic Industry

• Date, length OK. The first ref checks out, but the second ref says that the company, not the field, is the oldest crude oil producer. Yoninah (talk) 12:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed a few things at the article, and put a copy-edit tag on it. Not yet ready for DYK. This is still there, for example: "Resumption of production resumed in". Can you find another Wikipedian to copy-edit your articles, please? HOOK: there are more interesting facts in the article. Tony (talk) 05:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Copyedit and measurement conversions completed. Date, length and hook refs all verified. How about this alt:
• ALT1: ... that at the Saltpond Oil Field in Ghana, Mr. Louie handles production of over 550 barrels of oil per day? Yoninah (talk) 13:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Copy-edit ... where have you been hiding? That's so much better. ALT1: great idea (the weird factor that works well when judiciously applied to DYK). I changed "over" to "more than". Can you two editors team up for DYKs? Tony (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Glad you like it, but I'm actually waiting for the page creator's approval. Had you checked the page creator's talk page, you would have seen that I was in the middle of a discussion with him about the first hook, and now I'm suggesting another. Yoninah (talk) 13:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 is fine with me. Thanks Yoninah and Tony1 very grateful for you contributions. CrossTempleJay19:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

As there is no article about "Mr. Louie", we should probably specify that this is an oil platform. Beagel (talk) 09:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Why? This is a hook, not an article. It caught your attention, didn't it? :) Yoninah (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

CTJ, as much as I sometimes complain that a hook doesn't give enough information and is thus cryptic, sometimes the curiosity or "weird" factor really works: it does here, I think Mr. Louie is OK unexplained—it might lead more people to think, "what?", and visit the article. I hope you can attract more editors for Africa-related articles. Thanks to those who have worked so hard on this. Well done! Tony (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

If you think so, I have no objection. However, instead of using quotes, Mr. Louie should be in italic per the ship naming convention. Although as a current oil platform it is not a ship as such, it was formerly jackup rig, which is a specific type of service vessel. Beagel (talk) 07:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

There is an article about Mr. Louie now, so maybe a double hook could be create. Of course, Mr. Louie still needs to be expand and copyedited. Beagel (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

List of common false etymologies

• ... that the f-word did not begin as an acronym, as is commonly claimed, but is instead of much older Proto-Germanic origin?

Created by The Man in Question (talk). Self nom at 22:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Source checks out. Although, I'm not sure if "f-word" should be changed to "the word 'fuck'" since Misplaced Pages is not censored. Alt hook below.

ALT1: ... that the word "fuck" did not begin as an acronym as is commonly claimed, but is of much older Proto-Germanic origin? –Dream out loud (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Dream out, I hope you don't mind my tweaking of the working and shifting of two words out of the pipe in ALT1, which I prefer to the original. I was concerned about comprehensiveness in the article until I saw the "incomplete list" note at the top I was hoping for. Looks well-referenced. Tony (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Opposed: I am strongly opposed to using ALT1 for the main page. Misplaced Pages may not be censored, but using curse words on the main page falls under "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We jump through hoops making sure things are not too political, not too POV, and we are especially careful about a BLP, but then it's no holds barred when it comes to using one of the most objectionable curse words in English on the main page? Please. Marrante (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

My mistake: I didn't properly compare the two at the time, and I agree about "fuck".

ALT2: ... that the f-word did not begin as an acronym as is commonly claimed, but is of much older Proto-Germanic origin? Tony (talk) 16:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with 'F word'. Misplaced Pages's for everyone, and as much as I fucking love the word fuck (almost as much as the c one...), I would say it's a bit strong for the front page everyone uses. It's not censorship, it's just fairer for everyone if you can choose to view the lovely word, rather than have it foisted upon your eyes. Benny Digital 19:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Self-nominator The Man in Question still needs to do a review of another user's DYK nom. OCNative (talk) 05:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  Wait, why do I have to review another DYK nomination?— the Man in Question (in question) 09:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  DYK Rule #5 requires reviewing another user's DYK nomination for self-nominations. OCNative (talk) 10:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  Okay, is that a new rule? No matter, I've done it (Robert John Kerr). — the Man in Question (in question) 15:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  Based on Dream out loud's approval of this nomination, this is good to go for DYK, pending resolution of the "fuck" v. "f-word" discussion. OCNative (talk) 04:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

  Anyway, the problem with saying "…did not begin as an acronym…" is that the linked article (List of common false etymologies) is not about what the origins of "fuck" are or the origins of words in general, but about what are not the origins ("false etymologies", not simply "etymologies"), and so linking "did not" is essential to the integrity of the piped link. I don't really care whether it says "fuck" or "f-word" (although I feel sorry for all the people who will have to read "fuck" on the Main Page if it is used), but if "fuck" is used instead of "f-word", I can pretty much guarantee that it will get all the traffic rather than the intended new page. I had a similar thing happen to me with a previous DYK. — the Man in Question (in question) 15:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  Should that be "sometimes claimed" rather than "commonly claimed"? I've never heard of any of these mad false etymologies, and I very much suspect they are a lot less commonly believed (no matter what group you ask) than the true etymologies. Jheald (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  Well, I've heard the f-word ones quite often—maybe it's a regional urban legend. Regardless, the sources call it "common", "popular", and repeated by "so many" people, which is enough to validate the wording. I'm voting for my original hook. — the Man in Question (in question) 18:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  I don't mind the original, except can you lose the redundant "instead"? Tony (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  Well, if it's that important to you. — the Man in Question (in question) 08:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3 ... that the f-word did not begin as an acronym, as is commonly claimed, but is of much older Proto-Germanic origin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Man in Question (talk • contribs)

Cape Agulhas Lighthouse

• ... that the Cape Agulhas Lighthouse (pictured) is the most southerly lighthouse on the African continent?

Created by Htonl (talk). Nominated by NJR ZA (talk) at 11:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date and hook all OK.--DavidCane (talk) 01:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Might I suggest this alt:
  ALT1:... that the light of South Africa's Cape Agulhas Lighthouse (pictured) was originally fueled by the tail-fat of sheep? OCNative (talk) 10:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Or, similarly:
  ALT2:... that for the first 56 years of its operation, the light of South Africa's Cape Agulhas Lighthouse (pictured) was fuelled by the tail-fat of sheep? - htonl (talk) 14:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• I changed it to "56", per MOSNUM and because it's a hook (short text). "£1,479.3s.9d"—should the dots be there? Can you check the article is in SthAf English? Isn't it "fuelled"? "4 kW" should be spelled out, at least first time, yes? "4-kilowatt". Is this right, Lightmouse/Lighthouse? Tony (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC) PS Hook interest good; article good. Well done. Tony (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• £1,479.3s.9d: To find out whether to write the dots, we need an encyclopedia. Oh wait, we've got £sd#Writing_conventions. I think "£1,479.3s.9d" is worse than "£1,479 3s 9d" (a convention that the article fails to list), or "£1,479-3-9" (a convention that the article fails to list but mentions in the text) or "£1,479/3/9". The dots just look wrong to me and frankly, I wouldn't rely heavily on the Misplaced Pages £sd article. I'd have a guideline that £sd should be converted unless there's good reason not to. Thus "£1,479.3s.9d (£1,479.366)"
• a 4 kW electric lamp. Personally, I'm fine with abbreviations/symbols in body text and I prefer to use hyphens only as a tool where a space is ambiguous to a reasonable reader. But Tony may be correct to suggest any or all of the following:

• Write the numeric out in full: four
• Write the unit out in full: kilowatt
• Write the separator as a hyphen where full forms are used but not for abbreviations/symbols: -

• 30 nautical miles (56 km; 35 mi) I definitely recommend abbreviations/symbols in infoboxes. Thus '30 nmi (56 km; 35 mi)'

LighthouseLightmouse (talk) 10:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Tony's right about "fuelled", so I've changed that in the hook. In the article, I've replaced "nautical miles" with "nmi" in the infobox; changed "4 kW" to "four-kilowatt", and added "(£1,479.19)" (actually it's £1,479.1875, but I wouldn't quibble about ¼ of a penny). I haven't done anything about the £sd formatting, since I don't know what the preferred style would be - I was following the £sd article when I wrote it. - htonl (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC) PS: as best I can tell, the article is in correct SA English. Another thing: we might want to consider using File:Cape Agulhas P1040396 .JPG instead of the image currently pictured. - htonl (talk) 12:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the "fueled" v. "fuelled" issue. One of my Americanisms slipped out on this South African hook. (American English uses fueled with one l.) OCNative (talk) 12:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

It looks fine for units now. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 10:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 19

Shaun Deeb

• ... that Shaun Deeb has two World Championship of Online Poker wins and fifteen World Series of Poker in the money finishes?

• Reviewed: Nuku Hiva Campaign

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Harlan Crow

• ... that Harlan Crow's collection of statues at his Dallas residence includes those of Fidel Castro, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong?

• Reviewed: Dinocampus coccinellae ()

Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Downtown Ossining Historic District

• ... that several fires and the construction of the Croton Aqueduct shaped New York's Downtown Ossining Historic District (buildings on Main Street, pictured)?

• Reviewed: K computer ()

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 17:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Demolition of Masjid al-Dirar

• ... that Muhammad ordered the demolition of Masjid al-Dirar because he believed Masjid al-Dirar was a mosque built to create disunity among Muslims by drawing people away from another mosque?

Created by Misconceptions2 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 13:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length OK: created 13:27, 23 June 2011; last edit 14:26, 23 June 2011, with 3157 chars plus 4 hefty quotations; nom'd 23:55, 19 June 2011
• Hook:
  • 186 chars
  • Used in the article, with good citation
• Good citations in all paras
• Within policy

Perhaps the hook could be slightly more concise and therefore clearer and more vivid, e.g. "Muhammad ordered the demolition of Masjid al-Dirar because he believed that this mosque was built to create disunity among Muslims by drawing people away from another mosque". --Philcha (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• That's a pretty minor tweak, so it's definitely fine by me. Thanks for the thorough review! OCNative (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• I removed a "that" from the original. Slight repetition. Would you consider something like: "ALT2 ... that Muhammad ordered the demolition of the Masjid al-Dirar mosque because he believed it was built to create disunity among Muslims by drawing people away from another mosque?" Tony (talk) 09:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• That's also a pretty minor tweak, so it too is definitely fine by me. OCNative (talk) 12:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I dont have any problems with that--Misconceptions2 (talk) 20:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

List of fastest production motorcycles

• ... the competition to build the fastest production motorcycle raged for a over a century, and then ended in a truce ?

• Reviewed: ZenQuest Martial Arts Center ()

Created by Dennis Bratland (talk). Self nom at 05:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• First sentence of article: your pipe removes the hyphen that's IN the article title. Can you reinsert, please? "produce the fastest production motorcycle"—don't like this much; is it possible to say "create the ..."? "after just over a century of one-upmanship by motorcycle manufacturers"—sounds like a ref is needed for this slightly contentious statement. Pls note how I did the conversion (WP:MOSNUM). Both pics could be a bit bigger; consider 240px? Tony (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Done. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Owen Crowe

• ... that Owen Crowe has made four World Series of Poker final tables in the past four years and two top-100 main event finishes in the last three years?

• Reviewed: Reportedly haunted locations in Scotland

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook ref check out. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 08:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Article OK; would be nice expanded further. Could you explain "in-the-money finishes" in the article? Is there a link? And kinder to the readers ... (two in 2005, two in 2009, ....). Specify US$ just the first time? It's specified fourth time onwards. We'd love a glossary of poker/card-playing terms. Have you thought of creating one? Please see Glossary of association football terms, which is coming along well. Tony (talk) 10:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

You mean like this one? Glossary of poker terms. I linked 'in the money' there. Regards, Bob House 884 (talk) 10:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Centiloquium

• ... that of three astrological works called the Centiloquium, it is dubious that any of them was compiled by the individual whose name it carries?
  • Reviewed: V. Subbiah Jheald (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Created by Jheald (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that of three astrological works called the Centiloquium, ascribed to Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus, it is dubious that any of them was compiled by the individual whose name it carries? Jheald (talk) 10:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

French India Socialist Party

• ... that once the French India Socialist Party adopted a pro-independence position in 1954, French authorities responded by opening corruption cases against its leaders?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Djadjaemankh. --Soman (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• HOOK: Could we have a temporal anchor, like a decade? Haven't looked at the article. Tony (talk) 13:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)(

• I've added "1954" to the hook now. --Soman (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

La Coupole

• ... that the Second World War Allies feared that Nazi Germany intended to use a secret underground rocket base in France to fire ballistic missiles (V-2 pictured) at New York City?

5x expanded by Prioryman (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed 6th (Royal Welch) Parachute Battalion below. Prioryman (talk) 19:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is excellent. Hook interest good. Suggestion for hook: "intended to" -> "would". Can we lose the link to NYC (so much is linked already in this one)? Tony (talk) 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC) PS I forgot to say that the image, regrettably, is not suitable at the squint size required. Don't you agree? Tony (talk) 14:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

How about "might use"? Also, I've changed the image and amended the hook to suit - see what you think of it now. Prioryman (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Tony (talk) 05:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Madaling Araw

• ... that the novel Madaling Araw (Dawn) has a blend of clashing characters such as the advocates of anarchy against the subjugators of the Filipino lower class?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 17:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• , Length, date and hook ref verified. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 05:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Too Young the Hero

• ... that Too Young the Hero tells the true story of Calvin Graham (pictured), a combat-decorated hero who was the youngest US serviceman in World War II, later dishonorably discharged for lying about his age?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: per Misplaced Pages:FILMPLOT#Plot plot summaries do not require a ref, but I've provided one. BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Ihr Menschen, rühmet Gottes Liebe, BWV 167 BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

date length off line ref AGF Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, hook is really good, article ok. Shocking story. I thought the plot was a bit fragmentary towards the end. This sentence sticks out, and could be removed or given a smoother ride: "An abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday." Tony (talk) 14:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

How about, for the article, not hook, "On his 13th birthday, Graham was forced by an abusive guard to scrub the floor with a toothbrush". ? BarkingMoon (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not so much the wording of that sentence, but the lack of smooth connection between what comes before and after, which are both bigger-picture statements; it's like an aside. Perhaps if it was more thematically oriented ... um ... italicised ... "He is returned to the United States where he is mistaken for a deserter and spends three months in the brig, during which he is sexually assaulted by a drunken older sailor and, in a scene that drives home his vulnerability, an abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday. His sister finally has him released by threatening to go to the newspapers." It's a minor point, and I don't know the plot. Tony (talk) 16:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Ched has ce'd the article. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good work. Tony (talk) 09:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Shouwang Church

• ... that Beijing police dedicate 4,500 officers to preventing the Shouwang Church from holding Sunday prayer meetings?

Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Libyan National Movement.  Sandstein  12:39, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook is good. Article is ... OK. Bit threadbare, but passes. The only thing that tinged softly in my mind was the ref to TIME Magazine for a pretty sweeping statement: "the Chinese authorities, who disapprove of religious groups that are not subject to state control." Will ask Ohconfucius's opinion on this. Tony (talk) 14:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• There's nothing in the article which shocks me. The atheist CCP's intolerance of any potentially competing ideology is legend; sects eradicated, members of Christian underground churches regularly arrested. Even the Pope has had to give in and let the CCP have the final word on Primates' appointments. I don't have any links to hand, but it wouldn't be difficult to find some which substantiate that state's paranoia. --Ohconfucius 07:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise

• ... that Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest won an Academy Award for Best Visual Effects?

Created by Thecheesykid (talk). Self nom at 06:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• size and date check out, hook supported by reliable sources. --Jezhotwells (talk) 00:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol

• ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines during the first decade of the 20th century?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 03:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 03:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Please don't link chronological terms such as "20th century", and see MOSNUM for the numeral rule. I've fixed it in the hook. ARTICLE: I'm confused. "It is one of the first historical novels written during the first decade of the twentieth century." That's a global claim. The hook confines it to the Phillippines. Back to article: problem sentence "during the said period that was written using the technique of amalgamating fact and fiction" -> "during that period that blended fact and fiction ...". Unsure of the fix, but I know it's a problem as is. First time I knew there was a Filipino language and Tagalog. Tony (talk) 08:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• fixed in the article per your comments. May need assistance from you to improve hook and sentences. - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the "20th century" fact, it is in one of the refs (i.e. Filipiniana.net) and also in second ref. What's the better option to modify the hook? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines from 1900 to 1910?

ALT 2: ... that the Philippine novel Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written from 1900 to 1910?

Providing ALTs 1 & 2. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

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Articles created/expanded on June 20

Roseau Cathedral

• ... that congregation at the Roseau Cathedral (pictured) in Dominica has long been a mixture of races?

5x expanded by Sreifa (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Haven't looked at article or hook: but the image needs to be brightened up. Would this be possible? Tony (talk) 09:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have tried to the maximum extent without distorting.--Nvvchar. 10:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The hook sits oddly in the "Architecture and fittings" section; the congregation isn't normally considered part of the fixtures and fittings. It is also sourced to Border Traffic, which only quotes Jean Rhys as having said "When I went into it I thought it beautiful. Instead of the black people sitting in a different part of the church, they were all mixed up with the white and this pleased me very much" in 1981. I don't when she went there, but it can only have been a few decades before, which hardly counts as "long". Moreover, this doesn't say that it was long used by mixed congregations, just that it was used at that time by a mixed congregation. Unless I'm missing something in the source, you will need to find another hook. And the picture is too bright now. The previous version was much better, in my opinion. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Img has been reverted to the original version. The last line in the article has now been deleted in view of the above observations. The ALT1 hook suggested now is ... that the stone pulpit in the Roseau Cathedral (pictured) in Dominica was carved by prisoners who were kept in Devil's Island? Any other suggestion for the hook will be most welcome.--Nvvchar. 04:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the stone pulpit in the Roseau Cathedral (pictured) in Dominica was carved by prisoners who were kept on Devil's Island?

• Good work. Date, length and hook are now all OK, and image licence is fine. I added a repeat citation to the sentence in the hook, as required by the rules, and added a second for good measure (the first wasn't entirely explicit that the pulpit was in the cathedral – although that was probably clear from the context – but the second backs it up). I also linked Devil's Island in the hook, and changed "in" to "on"; I hope this is acceptable. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks.--Nvvchar. 06:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Fortress of Mimoyecques

• ... that the Fortress of Mimoyecques (pictured) was built by Nazi Germany to bombard London with ten shells a minute using the V-3 supergun?

5x expanded by Prioryman (talk) & Afernand74 (talk) . Self nom at 00:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Robert H. Johnson. Prioryman (talk) 07:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Japanese migration to Thailand

• ... that Japanese migration to Thailand dates back to the 1580s?

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Stefan Kuryłowicz

• ... that Stefan Kuryłowicz was "one of the most influential Polish architects" when he died in a plane crash on June 6, 2011?

• ALT1:... that Polish architect Stefan Kuryłowicz died in a plane crash on June 6, 2011, when two of the three planes in his convoy crashed at the airport?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert John Kerr

• ... that following a sectarian killing in Northern Ireland, the alleged gunmen – loyalist paramilitaries Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson – went off to deliver a load of chickens?

• Reviewed: Windawski Canal}}

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 07:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Source confirmed. But how about:

ALT1 ... that Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist? — the Man in Question (in question) 09:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Robin Jackson was bold in ALT1. I assume this was an accident, as the article has not been expanded 5x recently, and I have unbolded it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 11:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT1; however, we should replace Irish loyalists with Northern Irish loyalists, seeing as both men were born in Northern Ireland and would have never been decribed as nor considered themselves Irish.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Northern Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist?

Perfect. I much prefer this version; it's catchy and to the point.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Would others please take a look at this article? I have some very strong reservations about it. A brief look gives me the impression that the allegations (some of which are spoken of as fact in the article) come from the testimony of a single person, and that the pair was never charged, or even questioned in the killing. This may have been due to the extant political realities, as the article maintains, but our BLP policy also urges us to exercise caution when there are living relatives who might be affected by allegations in ambiguous cases. Besides, "allegedly shooting" just begs the question, speaks of it as if "allegedly" is a trivial qualification, when it's certainly anything but.  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think BLP applies here, as "questionable material about dead people which has implications for their living relatives and friends, particularly in the case of recent deaths, should be removed promptly." I don't see the implications for the pair's living relatives. We wouldn't use BLP to reject a hook that said "... that Lee Harvey Oswald hid in the Texas Theatre after allegedly shooting John F. Kennedy?" when there is proper sourcing in the Oswald article. (Oswald's widow is still alive.) Oswald was never tried, and there are numerous John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. OCNative (talk) 14:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I should point out that John Weir's allegations were accepted as credible and published in an Irish judiciary report (The 2003 Barron Report) which was the findings of an official investigation into the 1974 Dublin and Monaghan car bombings commissioned by Irish Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron. He concluded that Weir's evidence was overall credible. Mr. Justice Barron himself criticised the decision not to question either Kerr or Jackson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, OC and Jeanne for your replies. Jeanne, I should disclose that my present knowledge of Kerr and Jackson comes only from the articles you wrote about them and from a limited review of the sources you cited in those two articles. Based on that, it's my guess that your hook could be correct in its implication that these two men were culpable in the murder of Strathearn, the Catholic chemist.

I'm nevertheless just very reluctant to use Misplaced Pages's voice to effectively accuse anyone of murder based almost exclusively on an affidavit ( not even court testimony ) of a person who was himself convicted for that same murder. And when the persons you suggest were responsible weren't formally accused or even questioned by police that just becomes impossible for me to accept.

I of course understand from your article on Kerr, that some prosecutorial and judicial authorities thought that any action against Kerr and Jackson would have been futile. They believed that the both the local police and various law-enforcement arms of the British government were in collusion with the pair, and with the group they belonged to, and that a genuine investigation would have been impossible for those reasons. Based on what I've read in your articles and in their cited sources, it appears that belief may very well have been correct.

Nevertheless, an informal assertion made by a prosecutor, and apparently supported by the opinion of one or more other officials, doesn't change my view: I just don't think we can properly accuse a person, living or dead, of murder based on such thin assertions, nor in the complete absence of any judicial process at all directed against them. I loathe police and governmental corruption as much as you do, I'm sure, but I don't think it's our role to compensate for such systemic deficits by acting as judge and jury ourselves in this instance, even if we sprinkle the hook and target articles with the mitigating word "allegedly". I'd probably feel differently about this if the allegations had been in any way formal, or even if they had been directly supported by some highly credible and wholly independent human rights organization on the order of Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. But we don't have that here.

For these reasons, I'm going to go ahead and ask for additional opinions at BLPN. I'm still investigating, and as I learn more about this and about its historical context I'm also trying to prepare a concise orientation to the matter that editors who aren't very familiar with the Troubles can easily understand. It's even possible I'll change my mind as I learn more myself. But in the meantime I think it would be useful to solicit broader participation. If uninvolved editors at BLPN don't share any of the concerns I've raised here, I'll of course be glad to withdraw my objection.  – OhioStandard (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

An official Irish judiciary commission, conducted by Irish Supreme Court Justice, Barron, an international panel of inquiry,convened on behalf of the human rights group, the Pat Finucane Centre also supported Weir's affidavit. Besides I should point out that both Kerr and Jackson are dead, therefore BLP is not being directly violated. I used the word allegedly throughout all my articles. This judiciary report from the Irish Government should alleviate your concerns: The Barron Report 2003. pp.132-178; 255-261 Pages 255-261 deal directly with Kerr and Jackson's alleged involvement in the Strathearn killing. This other report might be of interest as well: The Cassel Report 2006--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I did post to BLPN: You'll naturally want to post a reply there, and I'd of course welcome and encourage that. But might we agree to try to keep most of whatever subsequent discussion the two of us have about this in a single location, insofar as that's practical? On the Kerr talk page for example? This doesn't really seem the place for an ongoing discussion of that nature, and although I know it's not always possible, I think noticeboards like BLPN usually work best if the involved parties try to limit their comments there to initial statements, or at least to fairly brief ones. I think doing so tends to encourage participation from uninvolved editors.

Yes, I was aware of the deaths of Kerr and Jackson, and had reviewed the official report by retired Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron before I posted here or at BLPN, by the way. I'm sure I'm a very great deal less familiar with the Troubles than you are, but I'm not making these objections casually, either: I've spent around six to eight hours looking into this matter so far. I have yet to look at the Cassel Report, though, and will try to get to that soon. But let me know what you think about moving our own discussion to the article talk page.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think we should be putting anyone allegedly did anything on our front page. I strongly oppose this DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 11:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The Last Ringbearer

• ... that the translation of a Russian alternative retelling of Lord of the Rings into English, the The Last Ringbearer, has been delayed by 10 years due to fears of litigation, and eventually published as a non-commercial ebook?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Edited hook slightly for English grammar. - Jmabel | Talk 00:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Royal Blue (pigeon)

• Length, hook refs and date verified. I'd suggest changing "eventually published" to the clearer "has now been published." Valenciano (talk) 21:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Sure, I am fine with the change, if the reviewing admin wants to update the wording I am fine. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75

• ... that the first performance of Bach's cantata Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) started his cantata cycles for the liturgical year, "an artistic undertaking on the largest scale"?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Lincoln Theater (Los Angeles, California). I hope that the cantata can appear between 25 June and 1 July, around the Sunday it was written for. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref verified. But the hook seems too wordy. How about:
• ALT1: ... that with his cantata Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, Bach set himself a goal of composing a cantata for nearly every Sunday and church holiday? Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your suggestion, lets work on it. It's saying too little in two respects: I bet his goal was not "almost" but all, he just didn't make it 100 %. Plus it sounds like for only one year, but he did it for 5, 3 survived. Perhaps we should not speculate about his goals. Btw, the Wolff quote was especially meant for Tony who advised me to read Wolff, not Dürr, smile.

ALT2: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, was the first of Bach's cantatas for nearly every Sunday and church holiday for several years? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Or the other way round (comment: the linked list will be improved until it appears, probably not 5*, but worth looking, on top of referencing the statement also):

ALT3: ... that Bach composed in Leipzig several cycles of cantatas for the Sundays and church holidays, starting with Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, I like ALT2. BTW, I found the words "almost every Sunday and church holiday" right in the source. Date, length, hook ref all verified. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• The source - being an essay - uses that wording after "he wrote", not "... set himself a goal of composing". Too complicated to mention in a hook is the fact, that Leipzig observed quiet time for some Sundays in Advent and Lent, for some of those Sundays he had written a cantata before Leipzig. His goal may have been to compose a new work for all Leipzig occasions, but sometimes he used one of the earlier works instead, only rarely - and only later - compositions of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• What date should I put this under in the special occasion holding area? Yoninah (talk) 11:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• As suggested and approved, let it sit here, only move it to special occasions if nothing happens until next Wednesday. This is a new approach, both to avoid Christian Sunday (Tony again) and reach other readers, my goal, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Aguamilpa Dam & Zimapán Dam

• ... that both the Aguamilpa and Zimapán Dams in Mexico were funded in part by the same World Bank loan and tower over 185 m (607 ft) in height?

• Reviewed: The Whole Beast: Nose to Tail Eating

Created/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 11:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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