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::*How does one compose a musical ensemble? --] ] 16:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC) ::*How does one compose a musical ensemble? --] ] 16:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:::*If you click on ], you'll see that it means both the ensemble and the piece of music written for it. We could write: :::*If you click on ], you'll see that it means both the ensemble and the piece of music written for it. We could write:
:::*'''ALT1''': ... that a proud ] father commissioned award-winning composer ''']''' to write a new piece for ] in honor of his son's birth? ] (]) 17:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC) :::*<s>'''ALT1''': ... that a proud ] father commissioned award-winning composer ''']''' to write a new piece for ] in honor of his son's birth?</s> ] (]) 17:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::::*Comment: keep it simple! String quartet means both, piece and ensemble, it's Beethoven's string quartet, not Beethven's piece for string quartet, and whoever doesn't know that gets help from the useful link, --] (]) 20:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC) ::::*Comment: keep it simple! String quartet means both, piece and ensemble, it's Beethoven's string quartet, not Beethven's piece for string quartet, and whoever doesn't know that gets help from the useful link, --] (]) 20:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::] 2*expansion verified, refs fine, article much improved! Hook as it stands good to go. (Please, Tony, apply green only for reviewing the article, and I prefer to see an ALT rather than a tweaked hook, to follow the history.) --] (]) 20:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 13

Justice League Dark

Created by Bennydigital (talk). Self nom at 16:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed Operation Longstep Benny Digital 20:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Good to go when ref tags are fixed (no space before, and always after, not before, punctuation). Also, consistent en dashes in the "Characters" sections, please. The hook barely passes the interest test. Tony (talk) 08:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Bystander's comment: The requested wikification has happened in the mean time, without going beneath the 1500 character threshold. For an outsider, though, it is not easy to see why this comic should be notable. I guess the "age" of the characters plays a role there but it would be good to put a sentence in the lead explaining the comic's significance. --Pgallert (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 15

Alan Sepinwall

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 22:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  • The hook fact is cited to the blog that Sepinwall works for, not a third-party source. In any case, the quoted press release states When "The Sopranos" ended in 2007, creator David Chase granted only one interview and that was to Sepinwall. which is not the same as "granted his sole one-on-one interview" as stated in the article and hook fact. The claim is for a strictly limited period of time surrounding the end of a single TV series, not the entire career of David Chase, and even that claim is suspect. (For example, here is a March 2007 one-on-one between Peter Biskind and Chase for Vanity Fair.) - Dravecky (talk) 06:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hook is just ok in terms of interest, unusualness. Article good, except will you please ration the use of repeated ref-tags? First section 1,2,2,3,3,4,3,3 – this is not what professional publishers will accept ... nor does academic writing condone this uber-dense repeated reffing, unless to support contentious claims. Ref tags have a certain potential to cover backwards. Tony (talk) 09:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Mexican pointy boots

  • ... that Mexican pointy boots, made by elongating the toes of normal boots by as much as five feet, are popular among Mexican men in parts of Mexico and the U.S.?

Created by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check. It says as five feet. It needs a conversion. It's possible that in Mexico they'd quote the length in metric. The common unit 'feet' is linked and should be unlinked. Lightmouse (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at this. How do I go about correcting this? Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
The original Mexican value was probably in 'm' or 'cm', so you need to write {{convert|1.5|m|ft|abbr=on}}. You can replace 'm' with 'cm', and 'ft' with 'in' within the template if you want. For other options, just the template documentation or ask at ask at Template talk:Convert. Hope that helps. Lightmouse (talk) 09:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Yep, I was gonna query the "feet", too. I like the original hook by far. Why was "United States" linked in the article? And units of measurement, unless bizarre, should not be linked. Please read WP:MOSNUM and WP:OVERLINK Tony (talk) 09:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Can one of you please add the conversion? Really not exactly sure how to do it. And why is it necessary when the reliable source referenced used feet? Plot Spoiler (talk) 21:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I've done it. Hopefully, you'll be able to see from that example how to do it on any other article. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Let's wrap up this DYK shall we? Plot Spoiler (talk) 14:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
A photo in the article would be worth 1000 words, even if it's fair use. BarkingMoon (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
So true. HAVE TO make this happen!!! Plot Spoiler (talk) 22:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Magic: The Gathering – Duels of the Planeswalkers 2012

  • Comment: It was a redirect before the 15th.

Created by Sven Manguard (talk). Self nom at 03:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Article looks fine, but the focus of interest in the hook is unclear. Is three-on-one combat mode unusual in a vid game? If so, please work it in. Tony (talk) 13:59, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Well let me put it this way: The game is excellent, but none of the things that make it excellent are sourced. I can't find an interesting hook. I've already resigned to not getting a DYK for this, I'll just be content with the "Article looks fine" part, being able to stand behind my work is more important than the medals that go with it. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Why not renominate immediately one of these sources emerges? Tony (talk) 09:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 16

Baku Museum of Modern Art

Entrance of the Baku Museum of Modern Art

  • Comment: Hope the Swahili rule will apply, as creator Angel670 has never had a DYK credit before.

Created by Angel670 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Silesia

  • ... that the SS Silesia was a German ship, became a British ship, and then became an Italian ship before being wrecked in Uruguay?
  • Comment: Hope the Swahili rule will apply, as creator KDS4444 has never had a DYK credit before.

Created by KDS4444 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Oil mafia of Maharashtra

Created by Thisthat2011 (talk). Self nom at 10:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Interesting, but 1) the hook is unclear, I'd suggest a totally new one. I was confused the word "terrestrial" (it makes me think of aliens...), and the second part is not very interesting. There are more interesting claims in the article. Second, the article needs categories, and please add talk page wikiproject templates. The lead could use improvement, at the very least, please globalize the article by clarifying which part of the world we are talking about (India, I guess). Ping me on my talk when this is done. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Thisthat, I agree with Piotrus, potentially very hooky, but the article needs considerable work: copy-editing and unlinking. WP is not a dictionary (one of the pillars of the site. Tony (talk) 14:40, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I have done all the suggested changes. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 22:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Much improved, just clarify in the hook, state of what? India? Maharashtra? And the "Rs.10,000 crore (Rs.100 Billions)" is confusing, is "10,000 crore" the same as "100 Billions" of what? Fix the hook and it can go. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I have done the changes and added info on the page to clarify the same too.
One Crore unites in the Indian numbering system equals to ten million units, hence 100 crore units = 1 billion, therefore 10,000 crore unites = 100 billion units. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 22:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes, there's been discussion about crore before on en.WP. I'm afraid readers outside the subcontinent will not have a clue, even if it's all very logical. If you want to convert it within parentheses, that would be the least required. Now, we want more India-related articles; have you combed through the site to identify potential copy-editor types who have interest and knowledge of such topics? A collaborative team would be great. A few tips: the paragraphing is very choppy, even for a short article (join it up more, with the intention of splitting paragraphs during the expansion phase). There are grammatical issues ("pilferage") in the opening sentence. "others" is vague in that sense. Location: first sentence doesn't work. How reliable is ref 1? It's a news source; I'm a little concerned, as it's relied on quite a lot. Tony (talk) 15:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • ... that according to the ASSOCHAM, diversion of kerosene by the Oil mafia of Maharashtra state of India costs the nation estimated 100 billion Rs. (10,000 crore) annually?

Articles created/expanded on June 17

Evil Spirits Intellectualism and Logic

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • This article is based entirely on citations to the off-line text of the referenced treatise and to a single published piece discussing the work. The one cited published pieces is off-line and authored by Billy Hathorn, who is also the author of the Misplaced Pages article. According to the article, Hathorn's article was published in a Louisiana historical journal. This seems borderline to me on notability and COI issues, but the article meets DYK requirements concerning date of creation and length. I assume good faith on the part of Billy Hathorn in citing to his own published work, though I must say something feels questionable about about a Misplaced Pages editor basing a Misplaced Pages article on self-authored sources. Cbl62 (talk) 13:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • The additional rules for DYK state "D12: Multiple sources are generally preferred, though more leeway may be given for more obscure topics." This is clearly in that area, but the fact that it is an article based on entirely someone's own book is definitely putting into a new category. I'm inclined to say no go and as Cbl62 said, I'm not sure should be on Misplaced Pages at all. I am inclined to say no go to this. Marrante (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed All Saints Church, Maidstone

Fort Teremba

View from the top of the Fort Teremba

  • ... that the Fort Teremba (pictured) in New Caledonia, was originally built as a military fort and a prison by convict labour, in 1871, at the request of the then Governor Gaultier Richerie?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 06:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is based on travel guides. Please use more reliable sources for your articles/hooks. I do not mean to sound harsh, but this is a longstanding issue which must be fixed sooner or later. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't based on solely on travel guides, I see a range of sources. As for "using more reliable sources" I've addressed your issue with travel guides as non RS at here. I've just looked for further sources and found very few books other then French publications, a language I am far from fluent in. If I have a google translate assistance and using my dictionary I can proof read usually but you can't google translate google books.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


Douglas DC-7B N836D

N836D seen at San Juan International Airport

  • ... that a DC-7B that flew as an airliner for Eastern Air Lines from 1958 to 1965 has been restored and flies today carrying sightseeing passengers in Florida?

Created by Alexf (talk). Self nom at 09:32, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Although the conversion template was used extensively, an editor later removed the whole section as it is argued that technical specs belong with the aircraft type, not on individual aircraft, which makes this issue a moot point -- Alexf 19:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. Confining the specs to the aircraft type is better. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 09:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Whoa! This article is sourced to the organization's own website, a blank page on another site, and a single article in a magazine listed as two separate sources by listing online and offline versions. With only a single reliable third-party source, notability is a real question here. - Dravecky (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 18

James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, and John Field

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

* Reviewed A. K. Chettiar. See diff here. Cbl62 (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

A. K. Chettiar

Created by Sodabottle (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Length and date check out fine. However, there is no in-line citation immediately after the hook fact. Also, it's unclear whether the hook fact is supposed to be supported by the reference cited at note 1 or note 2. The encyclopedia cited at note 1 does not support the fact, and the source cited at note 2 is off-line. Please clarify. Cbl62 (talk) 07:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Units check It says 50,000 ft and 12,000 ft. These need conversions.
Hook check Can we find something that would be regarded as remarkable by Misplaced Pages readers?
Lightmouse (talk) 13:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Reportedly haunted locations in Scotland

Created by RafikiSykes (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

David Rothenberg, Cassini periodical cicadas

David Rothenberg, who plays music with birds, whales, insects, etc., plays a clarinet with a starling watching.

Created/expanded by Sharktopus (talk). Self nom at 16:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Kevin, sorry I forgot that. I am changing the hook so it doesn't have "shown" in it twice.
How about:
Lightmouse (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Wandle (1932)

SS Wandle on her maiden voyage in 1932

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Length, creation date, pass. Several offline references taken in good faith. Would have preferred hook reference to have been available for checking. Otherwise, good to go. Haruth (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

John Saunders (1949-), R v Chaytor

Created by Bob House 884 (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

  • There are 2 articles here, both written on June 18th. R v Chaytor is long enough and would be fine with a different hook. It does not refer to 6 defendants nor to the judge who presided over the trial and sentencing. John Saunders (1949-) does refer to them but I think it may be too short at 247 words of readable prose. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

List of common false etymologies

Created by The Man in Question (talk). Self nom at 22:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the word "fuck" did not begin as an acronym as is commonly claimed, but is of much older Proto-Germanic origin? –Dream out loud (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Dream out, I hope you don't mind my tweaking of the working and shifting of two words out of the pipe in ALT1, which I prefer to the original. I was concerned about comprehensiveness in the article until I saw the "incomplete list" note at the top I was hoping for. Looks well-referenced. Tony (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Opposed: I am strongly opposed to using ALT1 for the main page. Misplaced Pages may not be censored, but using curse words on the main page falls under "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We jump through hoops making sure things are not too political, not too POV, and we are especially careful about a BLP, but then it's no holds barred when it comes to using one of the most objectionable curse words in English on the main page? Please. Marrante (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
My mistake: I didn't properly compare the two at the time, and I agree about "fuck".
ALT2: ... that the f-word did not begin as an acronym as is commonly claimed, but is of much older Proto-Germanic origin? Tony (talk) 16:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree with 'F word'. Misplaced Pages's for everyone, and as much as I fucking love the word fuck (almost as much as the c one...), I would say it's a bit strong for the front page everyone uses. It's not censorship, it's just fairer for everyone if you can choose to view the lovely word, rather than have it foisted upon your eyes. Benny Digital 19:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Cape Agulhas Lighthouse

Photo of Cape Agulhas Lighthouse with tower painted in horizontal red and white bands

Created by Htonl (talk). Nominated by NJR ZA (talk) at 11:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I changed it to "56", per MOSNUM and because it's a hook (short text). "£1,479.3s.9d"—should the dots be there? Can you check the article is in SthAf English? Isn't it "fuelled"? "4 kW" should be spelled out, at least first time, yes? "4-kilowatt". Is this right, Lightmouse/Lighthouse? Tony (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC) PS Hook interest good; article good. Well done. Tony (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • £1,479.3s.9d: To find out whether to write the dots, we need an encyclopedia. Oh wait, we've got £sd#Writing_conventions. I think "£1,479.3s.9d" is worse than "£1,479 3s 9d" (a convention that the article fails to list), or "£1,479-3-9" (a convention that the article fails to list but mentions in the text) or "£1,479/3/9". The dots just look wrong to me and frankly, I wouldn't rely heavily on the Misplaced Pages £sd article. I'd have a guideline that £sd should be converted unless there's good reason not to. Thus "£1,479.3s.9d (£1,479.366)"
  • a 4 kW electric lamp. Personally, I'm fine with abbreviations/symbols in body text and I prefer to use hyphens only as a tool where a space is ambiguous to a reasonable reader. But Tony may be correct to suggest any or all of the following:
  • Write the numeric out in full: four
  • Write the unit out in full: kilowatt
  • Write the separator as a hyphen where full forms are used but not for abbreviations/symbols: -
  • 30 nautical miles (56 km; 35 mi) I definitely recommend abbreviations/symbols in infoboxes. Thus '30 nmi (56 km; 35 mi)'
LighthouseLightmouse (talk) 10:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Tony's right about "fuelled", so I've changed that in the hook. In the article, I've replaced "nautical miles" with "nmi" in the infobox; changed "4 kW" to "four-kilowatt", and added "(£1,479.19)" (actually it's £1,479.1875, but I wouldn't quibble about ¼ of a penny). I haven't done anything about the £sd formatting, since I don't know what the preferred style would be - I was following the £sd article when I wrote it. - htonl (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC) PS: as best I can tell, the article is in correct SA English. Another thing: we might want to consider using File:Cape Agulhas P1040396 .JPG instead of the image currently pictured. - htonl (talk) 12:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about the "fueled" v. "fuelled" issue. One of my Americanisms slipped out on this South African hook. (American English uses fueled with one l.) OCNative (talk) 12:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
It looks fine for units now. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 10:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 19

Shaun Deeb

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Downtown Ossining Historic District

A row of two-story commercial brick buildings, some painted, on a street curving away from the viewer to the right. In front of them are some short bare trees and diagonally parked cars.

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 17:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

List of fastest production motorcycles

Created by Dennis Bratland (talk). Self nom at 05:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • First sentence of article: your pipe removes the hyphen that's IN the article title. Can you reinsert, please? "produce the fastest production motorcycle"—don't like this much; is it possible to say "create the ..."? "after just over a century of one-upmanship by motorcycle manufacturers"—sounds like a ref is needed for this slightly contentious statement. Pls note how I did the conversion (WP:MOSNUM). Both pics could be a bit bigger; consider 240px? Tony (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Owen Crowe

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Article OK; would be nice expanded further. Could you explain "in-the-money finishes" in the article? Is there a link? And kinder to the readers ... (two in 2005, two in 2009, ....). Specify US$ just the first time? It's specified fourth time onwards. We'd love a glossary of poker/card-playing terms. Have you thought of creating one? Please see Glossary of association football terms, which is coming along well. Tony (talk) 10:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
You mean like this one? Glossary of poker terms. I linked 'in the money' there. Regards, Bob House 884 (talk) 10:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Centiloquium

Created by Jheald (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

French India Socialist Party

  • ... that once the French India Socialist Party adopted a pro-independence position in 1954, French authorities responded by opening corruption cases against its leaders?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Djadjaemankh. --Soman (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

La Coupole

A rocket suspended from wires inside a large dome

5x expanded by Prioryman (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is excellent. Hook interest good. Suggestion for hook: "intended to" -> "would". Can we lose the link to NYC (so much is linked already in this one)? Tony (talk) 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC) PS I forgot to say that the image, regrettably, is not suitable at the squint size required. Don't you agree? Tony (talk) 14:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
How about "might use"? Also, I've changed the image and amended the hook to suit - see what you think of it now. Prioryman (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Tony (talk) 05:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
How about:
Alt1... that a secret underground rocket base in France was thought capable of firing ballistic missiles (V-2 pictured) at New York City?
Lightmouse (talk) 13:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Too Young the Hero

a 12 year old US Navy sailor in WWII

  • ... that Too Young the Hero tells the true story of Calvin Graham (pictured), a combat-decorated hero who was the youngest US serviceman in World War II, later dishonorably discharged for lying about his age?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: per Misplaced Pages:FILMPLOT#Plot plot summaries do not require a ref, but I've provided one. BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed Ihr Menschen, rühmet Gottes Liebe, BWV 167 BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
date length off line ref AGF Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, hook is really good, article ok. Shocking story. I thought the plot was a bit fragmentary towards the end. This sentence sticks out, and could be removed or given a smoother ride: "An abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday." Tony (talk) 14:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
How about, for the article, not hook, "On his 13th birthday, Graham was forced by an abusive guard to scrub the floor with a toothbrush". ? BarkingMoon (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
It's not so much the wording of that sentence, but the lack of smooth connection between what comes before and after, which are both bigger-picture statements; it's like an aside. Perhaps if it was more thematically oriented ... um ... italicised ... "He is returned to the United States where he is mistaken for a deserter and spends three months in the brig, during which he is sexually assaulted by a drunken older sailor and, in a scene that drives home his vulnerability, an abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday. His sister finally has him released by threatening to go to the newspapers." It's a minor point, and I don't know the plot. Tony (talk) 16:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Ched has ce'd the article. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Shouwang Church

  • ... that Beijing police dedicate 4,500 officers to preventing the Shouwang Church from holding Sunday prayer meetings?

Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook is good. Article is ... OK. Bit threadbare, but passes. The only thing that tinged softly in my mind was the ref to TIME Magazine for a pretty sweeping statement: "the Chinese authorities, who disapprove of religious groups that are not subject to state control." Will ask Ohconfucius's opinion on this. Tony (talk) 14:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
  • There's nothing in the article which shocks me. The atheist CCP's intolerance of any potentially competing ideology is legend; sects eradicated, members of Christian underground churches regularly arrested. Even the Pope has had to give in and let the CCP have the final word on Primates' appointments. I don't have any links to hand, but it wouldn't be difficult to find some which substantiate that state's paranoia. --Ohconfucius 07:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 03:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Please don't link chronological terms such as "20th century", and see MOSNUM for the numeral rule. I've fixed it in the hook. ARTICLE: I'm confused. "It is one of the first historical novels written during the first decade of the twentieth century." That's a global claim. The hook confines it to the Phillippines. Back to article: problem sentence "during the said period that was written using the technique of amalgamating fact and fiction" -> "during that period that blended fact and fiction ...". Unsure of the fix, but I know it's a problem as is. First time I knew there was a Filipino language and Tagalog. Tony (talk) 08:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the "20th century" fact, it is in one of the refs (i.e. Filipiniana.net) and also in second ref. What's the better option to modify the hook? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT 1: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines from 1900 to 1910?
ALT 2: ... that the Philippine novel Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written from 1900 to 1910?
Providing ALTs 1 & 2. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 20

Planetary boundaries

5x expanded by Epipelagic (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Where is there inaccuracy? --Epipelagic (talk) 05:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I've reviewed the complaint and I've found no inaccuracy. The concept of planetary boundaries as a new Earth system framework is supported by the sources. Unless Arthur Rubin has a specific criticism that is actionable, I don't see the substance of his complaint. Let's break it down:
  • that planetary boundaries is a new Earth system framework
  • Co-author Katherine Richardson, Professor at the Earth System Science Center at the University of Copenhagen: "What we now present is a novel framework through which our scientific understanding of the Earth System can potentially be used more directly in the societal decision making process."
  • "Our proposed framework builds on and extends approaches based on limits-to-growth (Meadows et al. 1972, 2004), safe minimum standards (Ciriacy-Wantrup 1952; Bishop 1978; Crowards 1998), the precautionary principle (Raffensperger and Tickner 1999) and tolerable windows (WBGU 1995; Petschel-Held et al. 1999) (see Supplementary Discussion 2). A key advance is that the planetary boundaries approach focuses on the biophysical processes of the Earth System that determine the self-regulating capacity of the planet."
  • "The framework presented is an attempt to look holistically at how humanity is stressing the entire Earth system."
  • "We have done a comprehensive search for these critical Earth System processes and their associated control variables (see Supplementary Methods 1)."
  • which may be able to identify the safe operating space where sustainable development can occur
  • Co-author Jonathan Foley, Director of the Institute on the Environment at the University of Minnesota: "The researchers stress that their approach does not offer a complete road map for sustainable development, but does provide an important element by identifying critical planetary boundaries. “Within these boundaries, humanity has the flexibility to choose pathways for our future development and well-being. In essence, we are drawing the first - albeit very preliminary - map of our planet’s safe operating zones. And beyond the edges of the map, we don’t want to go. Our future research will consider ways in which society can develop within these boundaries – safely, sanely and sustainably."
  • "Our approach does not offer a roadmap for sustainable development; it merely provides, in the context of the human predicament in the Anthropocene, the first step by identifying biophysical boundaries at the planetary scale within which humanity has the flexibility to choose a myriad of pathways for human wellbeing and development. Further work will need to focus on the societal dynamics that have led to the current situation, and propose ways in which our societies can stay within these boundaries."
  • "In collaboration with partnering research institutions such as Stockholm Resilience Centre, we present novel research on the governance of earth systems and boundaries. New approaches are needed to help humanity deal with climate change and other global environmental threats that lie ahead in the 21st century. A group of 28 internationally renowned scientists propose that global biophysical boundaries, identified on the basis of the scientific understanding of the Earth System, can define a ‘safe planetary operating space´ that will allow humanity to continue to develop and thrive for generations to come. This new approach to sustainable development is conveyed in the coming issue of Nature where the scientists have made a first attempt to identify and quantify a set of nine planetary boundaries."
Note, I've changed "earth" to "Earth" in the above hook. Viriditas (talk) 06:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the unjustified link in the hook, and I still don't see notability established. I was willing to wait until Epipelagic finished his updates, before determining whether notability has been established, but the DYK nomination forced my hand. I was wrong; there are no obvious inaccuracies in the article, except for the claim that it's an established usage. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, that's not how it works. Your claim that notability has not been established is absurd and something you made up out of thin air because you are an admitted climate change skeptic. Please stop POV pushing. This subject has received notable coverage in the best scientific journals and its authors are leaders in the field. Your claim is not just absurd, it is patently false. Viriditas (talk) 08:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

St Botolph's Church, Hardham

A red and yellow fresco on a white background next to part of a stone arch, depicting a tall, thin man and woman facing each other

Created by Kinnerton (talk), Hassocks5489 (talk). Nominated by Hassocks5489 (talk) at 18:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  • A very interesting article. I saw two notable things: the unique age of the wall paintings; the anchorite - an amazing deliberate human confinement. Can we make something out of either of those? Lightmouse (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I could add something like —some of the oldest in England— to the existing hook. Sources variously claim that they are the oldest or among the oldest, or the oldest of their type, so it is difficult to be specific. Regarding anchorite and their cells, they are surprisingly common in English churches—I know of several examples in Sussex alone—so it may be better to focus on the frescoes, for which the church is nationally famous. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Well I'm even more surprised that anchorite cells are common. With that in mind, I agree that it's better to focus on frescoes. How about:
Alt1... that St Botolph's Church in Hardham, England, has the earliest known representation of St. George in England?
Lightmouse (talk) 13:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
OK; that's supported by my sources. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Roseau Cathedral

Roseau Cathedral in Dominica

5x expanded by Sreifa (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have tried to the maximum extent without distorting.--Nvvchar. 10:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
The hook sits oddly in the "Architecture and fittings" section; the congregation isn't normally considered part of the fixtures and fittings. It is also sourced to Border Traffic, which only quotes Jean Rhys as having said "When I went into it I thought it beautiful. Instead of the black people sitting in a different part of the church, they were all mixed up with the white and this pleased me very much" in 1981. I don't when she went there, but it can only have been a few decades before, which hardly counts as "long". Moreover, this doesn't say that it was long used by mixed congregations, just that it was used at that time by a mixed congregation. Unless I'm missing something in the source, you will need to find another hook. And the picture is too bright now. The previous version was much better, in my opinion. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Img has been reverted to the original version. The last line in the article has now been deleted in view of the above observations. The ALT1 hook suggested now is ... that the stone pulpit in the Roseau Cathedral (pictured) in Dominica was carved by prisoners who were kept in Devil's Island? Any other suggestion for the hook will be most welcome.--Nvvchar. 04:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that the stone pulpit in the Roseau Cathedral (pictured) in Dominica was carved by prisoners who were kept on Devil's Island?
  • Good work. Date, length and hook are now all OK, and image licence is fine. I added a repeat citation to the sentence in the hook, as required by the rules, and added a second for good measure (the first wasn't entirely explicit that the pulpit was in the cathedral – although that was probably clear from the context – but the second backs it up). I also linked Devil's Island in the hook, and changed "in" to "on"; I hope this is acceptable. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Fortress of Mimoyecques

View of a wide lit tunnel stretching into the distance

5x expanded by Prioryman (talk) & Afernand74 (talk) . Self nom at 00:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice article. Good hook. This is what DYK is for. Yes. Lightmouse (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Japanese migration to Thailand

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Almost good to go, accepting offline source. But there's something's missing in the sentence that is related to the actual figures. I believe it should say "more than the actual official figures"? - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
The statement may be true. It doesn't seem remarkable to me. Can an extraordinary claim be found? Lightmouse (talk) 13:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Stefan Kuryłowicz

  • ... that Stefan Kuryłowicz was "one of the most influential Polish architects" when he died in a plane crash on June 6, 2011?
  • ALT1:... that Polish architect Stefan Kuryłowicz died in a plane crash on June 6, 2011, when two of the three planes in his convoy crashed at the airport?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Both hooks fine, as well as other aspects. Alt2 might be preferable? Think so too?... - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert John Kerr

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 07:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Source confirmed. But how about:
ALT1 ... that Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist? — the Man in Question (in question) 09:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I like ALT1; however, we should replace Irish loyalists with Northern Irish loyalists, seeing as both men were born in Northern Ireland and would have never been decribed as nor considered themselves Irish.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that Northern Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist?
Perfect. I much prefer this version; it's catchy and to the point.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Would others please take a look at this article? I have some very strong reservations about it. A brief look gives me the impression that the allegations (some of which are spoken of as fact in the article) come from the testimony of a single person, and that the pair was never charged, or even questioned in the killing. This may have been due to the extant political realities, as the article maintains, but our BLP policy also urges us to exercise caution when there are living relatives who might be affected by allegations in ambiguous cases. Besides, "allegedly shooting" just begs the question, speaks of it as if "allegedly" is a trivial qualification, when it's certainly anything but.  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't think BLP applies here, as "questionable material about dead people which has implications for their living relatives and friends, particularly in the case of recent deaths, should be removed promptly." I don't see the implications for the pair's living relatives. We wouldn't use BLP to reject a hook that said "... that Lee Harvey Oswald hid in the Texas Theatre after allegedly shooting John F. Kennedy?" when there is proper sourcing in the Oswald article. (Oswald's widow is still alive.) Oswald was never tried, and there are numerous John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. OCNative (talk) 14:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I should point out that John Weir's allegations were accepted as credible and published in an Irish judiciary report (The 2003 Barron Report) which was the findings of an official investigation into the 1974 Dublin and Monaghan car bombings commissioned by Irish Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron. He concluded that Weir's evidence was overall credible. Mr. Justice Barron himself criticised the decision not to question either Kerr or Jackson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, OC and Jeanne for your replies. Jeanne, I should disclose that my present knowledge of Kerr and Jackson comes only from the articles you wrote about them and from a limited review of the sources you cited in those two articles. Based on that, it's my guess that your hook could be correct in its implication that these two men were culpable in the murder of Strathearn, the Catholic chemist.
I'm nevertheless just very reluctant to use Misplaced Pages's voice to effectively accuse anyone of murder based almost exclusively on an affidavit ( not even court testimony ) of a person who was himself convicted for that same murder. And when the persons you suggest were responsible weren't formally accused or even questioned by police that just becomes impossible for me to accept.
I of course understand from your article on Kerr, that some prosecutorial and judicial authorities thought that any action against Kerr and Jackson would have been futile. They believed that the both the local police and various law-enforcement arms of the British government were in collusion with the pair, and with the group they belonged to, and that a genuine investigation would have been impossible for those reasons. Based on what I've read in your articles and in their cited sources, it appears that belief may very well have been correct.
Nevertheless, an informal assertion made by a prosecutor, and apparently supported by the opinion of one or more other officials, doesn't change my view: I just don't think we can properly accuse a person, living or dead, of murder based on such thin assertions, nor in the complete absence of any judicial process at all directed against them. I loathe police and governmental corruption as much as you do, I'm sure, but I don't think it's our role to compensate for such systemic deficits by acting as judge and jury ourselves in this instance, even if we sprinkle the hook and target articles with the mitigating word "allegedly". I'd probably feel differently about this if the allegations had been in any way formal, or even if they had been directly supported by some highly credible and wholly independent human rights organization on the order of Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. But we don't have that here.
For these reasons, I'm going to go ahead and ask for additional opinions at BLPN. I'm still investigating, and as I learn more about this and about its historical context I'm also trying to prepare a concise orientation to the matter that editors who aren't very familiar with the Troubles can easily understand. It's even possible I'll change my mind as I learn more myself. But in the meantime I think it would be useful to solicit broader participation. If uninvolved editors at BLPN don't share any of the concerns I've raised here, I'll of course be glad to withdraw my objection.  – OhioStandard (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
An official Irish judiciary commission, conducted by Irish Supreme Court Justice, Barron, an international panel of inquiry,convened on behalf of the human rights group, the Pat Finucane Centre also supported Weir's affidavit. Besides I should point out that both Kerr and Jackson are dead, therefore BLP is not being directly violated. I used the word allegedly throughout all my articles. This judiciary report from the Irish Government should alleviate your concerns: The Barron Report 2003. pp.132-178; 255-261 Pages 255-261 deal directly with Kerr and Jackson's alleged involvement in the Strathearn killing. This other report might be of interest as well: The Cassel Report 2006--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I did post to BLPN: You'll naturally want to post a reply there, and I'd of course welcome and encourage that. But might we agree to try to keep most of whatever subsequent discussion the two of us have about this in a single location, insofar as that's practical? On the Kerr talk page for example? This doesn't really seem the place for an ongoing discussion of that nature, and although I know it's not always possible, I think noticeboards like BLPN usually work best if the involved parties try to limit their comments there to initial statements, or at least to fairly brief ones. I think doing so tends to encourage participation from uninvolved editors.
Yes, I was aware of the deaths of Kerr and Jackson, and had reviewed the official report by retired Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron before I posted here or at BLPN, by the way. I'm sure I'm a very great deal less familiar with the Troubles than you are, but I'm not making these objections casually, either: I've spent around six to eight hours looking into this matter so far. I have yet to look at the Cassel Report, though, and will try to get to that soon. But let me know what you think about moving our own discussion to the article talk page.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


Ohiostandard, I agree with your suggestion to move this disccussion over to Talk:Robert John Kerr.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The Last Ringbearer

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75

interior of the church, view to the organ, light pink columns, grey benches, dark green ornaments on the floor, organ case white and gold

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your suggestion, lets work on it. It's saying too little in two respects: I bet his goal was not "almost" but all, he just didn't make it 100 %. Plus it sounds like for only one year, but he did it for 5, 3 survived. Perhaps we should not speculate about his goals. Btw, the Wolff quote was especially meant for Tony who advised me to read Wolff, not Dürr, smile.
ALT2: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, was the first of Bach's cantatas for nearly every Sunday and church holiday for several years? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Or the other way round (comment: the linked list will be improved until it appears, probably not 5*, but worth looking, on top of referencing the statement also):
ALT3: ... that Bach composed in Leipzig several cycles of cantatas for the Sundays and church holidays, starting with Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I like ALT2. BTW, I found the words "almost every Sunday and church holiday" right in the source. Date, length, hook ref all verified. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • The source - being an essay - uses that wording after "he wrote", not "... set himself a goal of composing". Too complicated to mention in a hook is the fact, that Leipzig observed quiet time for some Sundays in Advent and Lent, for some of those Sundays he had written a cantata before Leipzig. His goal may have been to compose a new work for all Leipzig occasions, but sometimes he used one of the earlier works instead, only rarely - and only later - compositions of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • As suggested and approved, let it sit here, only move it to special occasions if nothing happens until next Wednesday. This is a new approach, both to avoid Christian Sunday (Tony again) and reach other readers, my goal, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Aguamilpa Dam & Zimapán Dam

Created/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 11:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook, references, time, and character count check out. I added a quote parameter to the two World Bank references. Albacore (talk) 14:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Peter Child

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

  • HOOK: really good interest factor. ARTICLE: Please do not link "England" , "American", "composer", and other common dictionary terms. Readers are expected to be able to read English. You might at some stage rationalise the repeated ref tags (1, 1, 3, 3, etc.) Tony (talk) 08:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: keep it simple! String quartet means both, piece and ensemble, it's Beethoven's string quartet, not Beethven's piece for string quartet, and whoever doesn't know that gets help from the useful link, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
2*expansion verified, refs fine, article much improved! Hook as it stands good to go. (Please, Tony, apply green only for reviewing the article, and I prefer to see an ALT rather than a tweaked hook, to follow the history.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

V. Subbiah

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Meryl Fernandes. --Soman (talk) 21:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Checks out. An image of him would be nice -- perhaps a picture of the bronze statue, if it still exists? Date of death would also be nice; and an explanation of what the V. stood for -- the French Senate site appears to have his first name as Caïlacha. Jheald (talk) 11:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "V." stands for "Varadarajulu". He used the full name for his memoirs, see http://nationallibrary.gov.in/showdetails.php?id=252183. However, this is not a first name in the Western sense. South Indian names have a different logic, the individual's name is the expanded one ('Subbiah') and the initials ahead are of father's name and village name. "Caïlacha" would be one of those, I think his name could also be written as 'K.V. Subbiah' ("K." being the same as "Caïlacha"). --Soman (talk) 17:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Gottfried Schloemer

Gottfried in 1895 parade

  • ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) was the designer of the world's first gasoline automobile as well as the first gasoline tractor?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Article says Schloemer first installed an engine in a "motor wagon" in 1889; but Karl Benz built (and patented) the Benz Patent-Motorwagen in 1885. I'd also have more confidence in claims to "world firsts" if there were some references that showed any world recognition to such claims; i.e. a reference published outside Milwaukee, and preferably outside the United States, to show a world-wide view of the subject. Jheald (talk) 10:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I can understand you concerns on this issue. I don't know exactly what the truth is. I'm just going on references. I understand Misplaced Pages's goal is not to present the truth about each topic but to present what is thought about each topic. I've given 9 references to show this in the lead. In addition under the Titles section the last one is also referenced. Also in this section is an image of Schloemer obituary. What you said I also said in the article to give a neutral point of view. It is a controversal point debated to this day. My article is based on references. because the truth may be had to get since it is a hotly contested issue. I believe the point is that I showed what was thought (by references) of this topic. The truth I'm afraid will never be known. The book "Milwaukee, Volume 1" has on page 12 the article titled Oldest Automobile in the World Made in Milwaukee was published by Milwaukee Association of Commerce in 1921. Both the issue of the first gasoline driven car and the first gasoline tractor can be found there, especially in the third column.--Doug Coldwell 11:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I understand Misplaced Pages's goal is not to present the truth about each topic but to present what is thought about each topic. Could we get then another unbiased administrator to look at this as I am going on this statement of Misplaced Pages's goal.--Doug Coldwell 11:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Our articles have to be supported by reliable sources, our front page even more so. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary sourcing, and I'm sorry, but I can't regard a local paper in Milwaukee as a world authority. I don't believe that in this instance the source is credible to be considered a WP:RS for this proposition.

    But if anybody else wants to jump in and give a second opinion, they're very welcome. Alternatively, you might make the hook something like "Milwaukee sources have called Schloemer the inventor of the world's first gasoline automobile"; though I'm not sure whether that kind of source-washing is permitted here. Jheald (talk) 11:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  • (ec) I am with Jheald here. These facts are rather reliable, and the priority of Schloemer is based on local sources of the 1920s. It does not matter how many of those are added to the article. (Around the 19th century many European inventions were either overlooked or ignored in the US. You'll still find plenty of reliable sources claiming that, e.g., can opener is an American invention. And we had a similar debate on this page not long ago on recent local US sources claiming "the first" solar power station or nanotechnology institution, when it was quite obvious they were not.) Materialscientist (talk) 12:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

* Alt1 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) built in 1889 the first practical gasoline automobile in Wisconsin? --Doug Coldwell 14:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

* Alt2 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) is the first person to drive a gas-propelled automobile in a floral parade.--Doug Coldwell 19:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

      • I'd like to bow out here and leave these to someone else. However, one thing I would say is that I'm still concerned by the generally uncritical presentation of so much hyperbole in the article itself. I think an article ought to treat claims like this with a bit more critical distance, from the top down. Yes, there's a little four-line section tucked quite a long way down the article, but I don't think that's really sufficient in the face of such a blizzard of overstated claims. It wouldn't take much -- just a little shading to suggest that readers might approach the boosterish local sources somewhat critically; but I do think an adjustment of tone like that is required, if we're going to link this off our front page.

        But I'd really prefer if one of the more experienced regulars here could take this on now. The article is certainly interesting and quirky enough that, properly tweaked, it ought eventually to get that link. But I think it still needs a bit of shepherding to get it there, and, with regret, I'd prefer for that to be for somebody else to step up to and take on. Jheald (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Good work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The article does need a cleanup for unreliable claims per the above comments. The sources supporting "the first" are not even notable enough to be mentioned (or criticized). It might be just my ignorance, but I don't see any remarkable fact in ALT2. Materialscientist (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I've made some tweaks to the lead; though I still don't like the pile-up of citation links, which I believe is deprecated – could something be done to cosmetically improve this. Seems to me the hook should be something like:

  • ALT 3 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) is said considered by some to have built the first practical gasoline automobile in the United States?
-- or would that be too weaselly ? Jheald (talk) 11:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Some say... that his carburettor was made of kerosene lamp wicks. And that he had to strike two points of steel every time he wanted a spark. All we know is, he's called the Schloemer.
(Sorry, wrong hook format. Jheald (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC))
Several sources (i.e. books, encyclopedias) show this and they are NOT associated with Wisconsin.--Doug Coldwell 12:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay, then can I suggest that when you make this claim in the lead, you cite it to just those non-Wisconsin sources, and that you put them together into a single cite (or at most a couple of cites) using <br /> to break the cite over various lines (see WP:CITEBUNDLE). You could then hang the colourful Wisconsin text quotes off another cite later in the article. But what we're trying to establish, when you first make this claim, is that it should be considered credible, because there are some authoritative sources that go along with it. Jheald (talk) 13:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 Done --Doug Coldwell 19:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Keith Eddy

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk), GiantSnowman (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Operation Deep Water

Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed the following new articles/article updates: Gustav (pigeon), Mtsamboro & Operation Turkey Buzzard.Marcd30319 (talk) 21:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Operation Counter Punch

Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 17:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed the following new articles/article updates: Gustav (pigeon), Mtsamboro & Operation Turkey Buzzard.Marcd30319 (talk) 21:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed the following new article: Tikal Temple IV.Marcd30319 (talk) 18:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Operation Longstep

  • ... that the 1952 NATO exercise Operation Longstep featured a large-scale amphibious assault along the western coast of Turkey?

Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 17:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed the following new articles/article updates: Gustav (pigeon), Mtsamboro & Operation Turkey Buzzard.Marcd30319 (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

French India Students Congress

  • ... that in August 1947 French authorities banned a pro-independence mass rally of the French India Students Congress, but were forced to withdraw the ban after spontaneous protests?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed 27th Street Historic District. --Soman (talk) 18:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Communist Party of French India

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Cock ale. --Soman (talk) 18:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
The reference seems to say that they liberated a commune in Thirubhuvanai, not that they liberated Thirubhuvanai and then formed a commune there. Not sure how to change the hook or if it matters. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
That's correct, I have reworded the article now. A suggestion for an ALT1 hook: "... that the activism of the Communist Party of French India in the 1954 independence struggle caught the attention of the New York Times, which warned of a possible communist take-over in the colony?"
--Soman (talk) 20:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Alan Wilson (South Carolina politician)

Created by Yaksar (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Franz Xaver Dorsch

Created by Prioryman (talk). Self nom at 00:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Rather nice and interesting article. The guy seems like he was pretty integral to the growth of Germany's infrastructure during the Nazi Party's rule. Anyways, hook checks out, article reads fine, and the offline refs are accepted in AGF. It's good to go. Silverseren 02:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

If the low value links to 'Germany' is removed it'll enhance the visibility of more valuable links and funnel the traffic better. Lightmouse (talk) 18:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Good idea, done. Prioryman (talk) 07:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 21

Five Discourses of Matthew

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 09:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The G-books link for the hook (first line of page 9). History2007 (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Approved. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The Automatt

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 05:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Length, date and hook ref verified, nice job. I prefer the 2nd hook, it's not as wordy and a little more cryptic. BTW is there a reason why The Clash is not linked? —Bruce1ee 17:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Census of Ireland 2011

Created by Odea (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  • The hook is grabby; it snapped my attention right away. Without losing its potency, can we change the word "accuracy"? The source does not say that the accuracy would be affected (spoiled), just that the company selected (CACI) might not be the one for the job. Hiring a company other than CACI may have obtained worse, better, or substantially the same accuracy—we cannot know for sure, and I did not see a source offering their opinion. Otherwise, the article is good for date and length, and the reference is good. Binksternet (talk) 01:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • What I mean in saying "the accuracy may be spoiled" is that if people had, in fact, boycotted the Census in serious numbers, the Census would not have counted all the people as it should. If 57,845 people had boycotted the Census owing to political-conscience concerns, i.e. that the company hired to help with the Census had also abused Iraqi prisoners, it would have been quite a large proportion in a small population of about 4 million, and it would have skewed the result quite badly, hence, "accuracy". I hope this clears up the question. Let me know if you want more reworking of the hook statment. (Would "result" make you more comfortable than "accuracy"..."spoil the result of the Census"?) — O'Dea (talk) 01:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Sorry about my first misapprehension of the problem; I was thinking another firm could do the data, but a contract was signed earlier making CACI the only choice. So the problem is one of people refusing to take part in the census... Looking through the sources, I did not see anyone hazard a guess as to whether the census would be inaccurate if a boycott was successful. I looked online for additional sources to get a bigger picture, to see if I could answer my own questions, but all I kept seeing were reports about the census in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Yes, there generally are concerns about accuracy if a boycott is called, but in this case I did not see it stated plainly. The thing is, in today's world there are workarounds for sub-par data collection in a census. The cross-checking system can compare gaps in collection against registration and financial records of various sorts to fill in missing data with educated guesses. Binksternet (talk) 04:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, of course, techniques of statistical interpolation can fill data holes, but you can't beat real counted data for true authority, otherwise why count at all, when you could run theoretical exercises on mainframes back at the Central Statistics Office? And "did you know" that census enumerators often re-visit homes multiple times trying to get completed forms from people they have missed so far — because real data is much more fun for statisticians than clever guesswork? Empiricism rules!   ;-)    — O'Dea (talk) 04:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Wildlife of Zanzibar

Zanzibar Leopard (Panthera pardus adersi)

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 16:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. Image verified CC 3.0. Well done with the article, very informative. Suggest possible lead hook placement. Not sure if using just the vernacular name in this case should be sufficient as it looks a little odd to me with two consecutive parenthesis. Calmer Waters 04:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I could not make out your suggestion. Kindly clarify or change it as you consider it right. Thanks. --Nvvchar. 05:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Just meant maybe using leopard (pictured) rather than leopard (Panthera pardus adersi) (pictured) is all. Calmer Waters 06:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Made changes in the hook's text.--Nvvchar. 06:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Carl Haffner's Love of the Draw

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 15:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Tikal Temple IV

Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 10:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Length is good, with main body at 1669 characters and spaces. Hook is good, located in the third sentence of the opening paragraph with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith. Date is good. References are also from a Spanish language sources, and it is assumed that due diligence and good faith was made by the article creator/nominator. Based on the above, this article is ready for DYK.Marcd30319 (talk) 18:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Expedition of Surad ibn Abdullah

  • ... that an unsuccessful month-long siege in Yemen during the expedition of Surad ibn Abdullah was broken when Abdullah trapped the enemy by pretending to withdraw from the area into the hills?

Created by Misconceptions2 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 08:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Maria Bashir

Maria Bashir, Attorney General's Office, Herat

  • ... that Maria Bashir (pictured), Chief Prosecutor General of Herat Province, Afghanistan, is the first ever woman Prosecutor in Afghan history

Created by MorelMWilliam (talk). Self nom at 05:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Cephenemyia ulrichii

  • ... that the moose botfly Cephenemyia ulrichii shoots its larvae into people's eyes, perhaps because human eyes and moose nostrils both face forward?

Created by Sharktopus (talk), Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 12:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Antonio Ricardo

Title page of the Doctrine Christiana from 1584, the first book printed in South America ever

  • ... that Antonio Ricardo became in 1584 the first printer ever in South America with the publication of the Doctrina Christiana (title page pictured), a book in Spanish, Quechua and Aymara?

Created by Fram (talk). Self nom at 11:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Maidstone

Created by DavidCane (talk). Self nom at 01:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't the article say that this was a Catholic Church that later became Anglican? Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
As all churches of this age in England were once Catholic churches, I don't think that this needs to be stated. It was not until after the Roman Catholic Relief Act 1791 that Catholics were allowed to practice there religion and set up churches again (albeit with restrictions).--DavidCane (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The date and length of the article check out, and the hook is interesting, but the only source is the church's own website. Can some other third-party reliable source be provided to verify the relationship? --Elonka 01:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
There are quite a number of sites which make the connection to George Washington, but many of them get the relationship wrong (calling him a great uncle or great great uncle for example). This Lawrence Washington is already mentioned in the article on his nephew, but I recognise that wikipedia is not reliable as a self reference. The All Saints church web page has the benefit of including a readable family tree that appears to tie-up with other sources on the direct ancestors of George Washington. I'm looking for an additional citation.--DavidCane (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I've not been able to find anything more definite than the existing ancestry table included on the church's website.--DavidCane (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there a different hook we could use then? --Elonka 18:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert C. Snyder

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed List of accolades received by True Grit (2010 film)
Date and length verified. I don't think it's appropriate to quote Misplaced Pages in your hook. Parrot of Doom 06:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Correction made. Billy Hathorn (talk) 10:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I love libraries but many other people find them dull. Biographies and libraries may have to work extra hard to interest a wide audience. Should this be a GA rather than a DYK? Lightmouse (talk) 10:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Jeune Fille Endormie

  • ... that Jeune Fille Endormie, a Picasso work recently sold for nearly £13.5 million, had only previously been on public display once?

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Huichol art

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self-nom at 20:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Royal Blue (pigeon)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 18:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Since this is a British hook, I would suggest the following ALT:
ALT1:... that King George VI owned Royal Blue, a messenger pigeon who went on to be awarded the Dickin Medal for bravery during the Second World War? OCNative (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I prefer your ALT. Miyagawa (talk) 07:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Mohammad Khalil Naik

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Jeune Fille Endormie. --Soman (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I would be ok with ALT1. --Soman (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by True Grit (2010 film)

Created by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, the hook is rather crappy =/ Crystal Clear x3 11:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The hook is too long and unclear. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

... that Hailee Steinfeld, who starred in the 2010 version of True Grit, is the 73rd performer nominated for an Academy Award in a screen debut? Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 12:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! That's much better Crystal Clear x3 01:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
what about who starred in rather than a star in? Calmer Waters 04:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Baddam Yella Reddy

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 04:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Nasothek. --Soman (talk) 04:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
while the date and size of the article is all right I would rate this as a stub so it is not suitable for DYK, in its present format. Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Article expanded, has 3000+ characters now, stub tag removed. --Soman (talk) 17:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
well done Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

National Democratic Front (French India)

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Keith Eddy. --Soman (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


DarkOrbit

  • ... that DarkOrbit is an online game that gives players a chance to win up to £10,000 of real cash?

Created by EdwardZhao (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 22

Menai Bay Conservation Area

Dolphin in Zanzibar

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Informative and well-written, ref, length, and creation date passed with high scores. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It's a lovely article and possibly should go for GA. The DYK claim isn't extraordinary to me. Can we find something that will catch more interest? Lightmouse (talk) 10:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. How about this ALT1 ... that conservation efforts by Kizimkazi villagers on the eastern part of Menai Bay Conservation Area, Zanzibar attracted 200 bottlenose (pictured) and humpback dolphins to the village shores?--Nvvchar. 16:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The Dominica Museum

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 11:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  • checked WP:WIADYK and no issues. But: "pwi pwi" or "Pwi pwi"? Not sure about this...

Reviewed: Ang mga Anak Dalita. I used all the sources I could find on this topic, mostly travel guides and found only additional forms of sources that are actually available. Each seems to verifiy much that each says, like it dated to 1810 etc, so should be considered reliable. Much of the description is based on a video of the museum. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Agostino Brunias

Agostino Brunias Free Women of Color with their Children and Servants in a Landscape

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 05:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Cal Lampley

  • ... that Cal Lampley formed the first all-black, 45-piece band in the then white-only Navy, called the US Navy B-1 Band?

Created by GreatOrangePumpkin (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and make this a DYK. Cheers. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Concilium Germanicum, List of Frankish synods

5x expanded by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed a union. Drmies (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I've added List of Frankish synods to make it a double DYK. Drmies (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Good to go for Concilium Germanicum. Five times expansion valid. Expanded by author from stub. Good to go too for List of Frankish synods. This is now a valid DOUBLE NOMINATION. - 23:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnakngAraw (talkcontribs)

History of Australian naval aviation

Created by Saberwyn (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Union (Hungarian-German trade union council)

  • ... that Union, a Hungarian-German trade union council, had substantial following amongst agricultural labourers in southwestern Slovakia after the First World War?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed University of New Mexico Art Museum. --Soman (talk) 01:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
  • BUT! Soman, consider doing the refs slightly differently. You have eight footnotes, six of which go to the same book, and one of which (no. 7 in the current version) with a rather incomplete citation. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Fort Young Hotel

Fort Young Hotel
  • ... the Fort Young Hotel (pictured) was originally the major military installation of Dominica, and still retains several cannons?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 18:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Complied by reviewing Madaling Araw.--Nvvchar. 06:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
then good to go now. --Soman (talk) 14:15, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Fivebough and Tuckerbil Swamps

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 06:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Charles Franklin Hildebrand

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Hugo Friend

Hugo Friend

5x expanded by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Cherry Hill Farmouse

The Cherry Hill Farmhouse

Created by Divide et Impera (talk). Self nom at 23:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Length, nominator, timing all good. Checked the hook against the article and source, all good. However, the rules require you to review one article for every one you nominate. Please review an aritcle, or if you already have, tell me which one.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Based on Wehwalt's approval of the date, length, refs, and hook, this is ready to go for DYK. The review rule does not apply until a user has received five DYK credits, so as this is only Divide et Impera's second DYK, a review is encouraged but not required. OCNative (talk) 04:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Fanny Allen

  • ... that Fanny Allen, the daughter of American Revolution patriot Ethan Allen, attributed her conversion to Catholicism to supernatural experiences?

5x expanded by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

(Aside: I thought a conversion to Catholicism was a supernatural experience.) The pipe in the hook is deceptive, and actually removes important information from the text. I presume the link is in the article; American Revolution better visible in the hook. But isn't the opening sentence of the article more hooky?

ALT1 ... that Fanny Allen, the daughter of American Revolution patriot Ethan Allen, was the first New England woman to become a Catholic nun." Tony (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, that'll do just fine. — AlekJDS 06:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Phacelia argillacea

Phacelia argillacea

  • ... that the American wildflower clay phacelia (pictured) is "one of Utah's most endangered species" and "one of the nation's rarest plants"?

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Self nom at 22:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Excellent article. Hook good, but would you consider losing the quotation marks, which are a bit clunky? I don't think they're necessary here, since the statements are not very "ownable" by a particular source (even if you quote-mark them in the article, in attribution). Another possible hook could concern "One plant can produce up to 8000 seeds.", but I think your original is good anyway. Tony (talk) 09:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree the quotation marks are clunky. I'd like to go without them if that is really appropriate. I just left them in because the quotes are word-for-word. Feel free to change it. Thanks. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Eastcote House Gardens

The dovecote and herb beds

Created by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Date, hook, and size all check out. Citation for the hook accepted in good faith as an offline source. A neat and nicely-cited new article. — AlekJDS 23:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


1987 Zaragoza Barracks bombing

Created by Valenciano (talk). Self nom at 21:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Created today, so that's good; certainly a long enough prose; no edit warring, etc.; hook citation looks fine (although I don't speak Spanish, I assume "2.354 años" means 2,354 years. By the way, I'd suggest the addition of a comma:
ALT 1:... that two of the ETA members convicted of the 1987 Zaragoza Barracks bombing were sentenced to 2,354 years in prison? --Jsayre64 (talk) 01:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT2 looks fine. Valenciano (talk) 06:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Nils Collett Vogt

  • ... that Norwegian poet Nils Collett Vogt wrote newspaper articles at the age of seventeen?

5x expanded by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 17:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The hook does not have a citation in the article. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 18:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay! Thanks! -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • ALT1 is better than the original, but I wouldn't pass it on interest level. ARTICLE: needs a copy-edit. Opening sentence, for example: "a right-winged figure".... He was ...". Ref tags 1,2 then 1,2 in successive sentences. Please just the second instance. Then there's 1, 1, 1: ref tags are retroactive and should not be repeated thus without good reason (e.g., contentious claims, technical details). "Vogt was a conservative. Despite his conservative attitude". These are just random examples. Tony (talk) 08:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Gustav (pigeon)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 15:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, hook, and date are good. Hook is mentioned in the lead paragraph, and the hook apprears in the Military service section of the article with a reliable reference. References apppear to be reliable. Question - Can the article creator identify the specific Allied warship from which Gustav was released to send his D-Day message back to British headquarters? An interesting article.Marcd30319 (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't have access to anything which lists the specific ship, however by searching for the reporter instead of the bird I managed to confirm that it was a Landing Ship Tank, which I've added to the article. Miyagawa (talk) 20:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- This article is good to go.Marcd30319 (talk) 20:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Mike Jackson (right-handed pitcher)

5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 14:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ideal. Tony (talk) 08:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Operation Turkey Buzzard


Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Baddam Yella Reddy 21 June list
Article length and organization are good. References are good, except one (Shannon) was not cited in article notes. Hook is burried in Mission section of the article, which is okay, but suggest moving this into lead paragraph. Hook's reference in unfamiliar to reviewer, but assume good faith on the article's creator. An interesting article about a relatively obscure military event from the Second World War.Marcd30319 (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Shannon is ref 9, the distance covered has been added into the lede thanks for the review. Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- This article is good to go.Marcd30319 (talk) 20:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
ARTICLE: The map at the top of the article is a bit weird. I mean, it's just a map of Western Europe and North Africa. F5 Dashes (WP:DASH): see spacing rule for full dates (infobox). Great pics, but why not make them 240px? And please consider right-side only. HOOK: Why not add ", without knowing whether this would be possible"? Tony (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Sony Esteus

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 04:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook and article good. Please fix the ref-tag madness: 2,2,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4, sentence after sentence. This is not standard practice and will irritate many readers. You might consider adding "According to the 'American Watch Committee', .....", with one at the end of the paragraph. It's all a continuous sequence of factual claims in a narrative. Tony (talk) 08:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Windawski Canal

Created by Ajh1492 (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Såner Station

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 01:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • There's no reference for the Såner Station's location "between the Hølen and Sonsveien Station in the Såner village" nor for "the section between Rustad and Kambo Station was upgraded to double tracks" portion. Ordinarily for something this small I'd add the refs in myself, but the refs for this article are all in Norwegian, and I don't speak Norwegian. OCNative (talk) 02:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Date and hook check out. Foreign language sources accepted in good faith. The article was slightly short at 1,494 characters, so I just made this wording tweak to get it to meet the 1,500-character requirement. Might I suggest this ALT hook though:
    ALT1:... that the Norwegian rail line's Såner Station had its name changed two times? OCNative (talk) 11:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT2 checks out. Harrison49 (talk) 22:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be "had its name changed twice" ?? Valenciano (talk) 12:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Dreadful hook. What is exciting or even remotely unusual about it changing its name twice?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Backyard Monsters

Created by Σ (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


South African National Blood Service

Created by User:SDY (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

What colour is she now - should it be was black or is black? Lightmouse (talk) 09:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Probably ought to be "is". Good catch. Strikerforce 11:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not particularly fond of the hook, actually. There are other DYK-type factoids in the article, but only lab geeks like me would actually appreciate individual donor NAT. The controversy might be workable as a hook, but it's hard to summarize. SDY (talk) 03:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Why, you think the racism of the previous regime is too sensitive an issue? I love your hook. It is a fact, reffed in the article, yes? Tony (talk) 09:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The article should surely use South African English, yes? I've made some hunch-corrections; please check. Surprised the article is so technical/medical in its orientation (the links), but I don't mind this. Please consider breaking up one or two of those humunguous paragraphs. Good work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony1 (talkcontribs)

Articles created/expanded on June 23

Mount Ida Plantation

Ruins of Mount Ida Plantation

Created by Cougar6 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook length, article length, and date ok. AGF for offline source. How about page #'s for refs 2 & 3? Sasata (talk) 15:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Full inline cites with page numbers now added. Altairisfar (talk) 20:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Slovak Social Democratic Party of the Kingdom of Hungary

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Fort Young Hotel. --Soman (talk) 01:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed with passing score. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Dinocampus coccinellae

Created by Sharktopus (talk). Nominated by Stemonitis (talk) at 18:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

That would be fine by me. --Stemonitis (talk) 04:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
And with me too -- better than the one I thought of when I was just nominating this myself, putting Stemonitis as co-creator as a thanks for help with creating it. And fwiw I reviewed Fortress of Mimoyecques Thanks, Stemonitis and Gobonobo! Sharktopus 16:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

UVF Mid-Ulster Brigade

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 08:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed St Mary de Crypt Church--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

St Mary de Crypt Church

St Mary de Crypt Church

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 03:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, and source for hook both check out. Looks good to go!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Hook is excellent. Article ... wouldn't want to be any shorter. Is there a way of preventing the word "church" occurring four times in the first sentence and seven times in the first three sentences? (Anglican? Building?) I'd have thought the semicircular seat would make a better pic. Tony (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert H. Johnson

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Bruce T. Halle Library

  • The hook was a bit inaccurate - he flew on behalf of the United States, but in support of the French Resistance - so I've amended it accordingly. Now good to go. Prioryman (talk) 07:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Hook good, but several links seem rather dilutionary (I've tampered). Article: please see WP:OVERLINK. Plus ], F6 WP:MOSNUM, including the "figures or words" guidelines and the date-autoformatting thing.]] Possibly add ", and" to the section title. Tony (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I find the word future requires an extra bit of logical thought when used about a past event. How about:
Alt1... Wyoming State Senator Robert H. Johnson flew bombing missions during the Second World War in support of the French Resistance?
Lightmouse (talk) 14:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Bruce T. Halle Library

Bruce T. Halle Library at Eastern Michigan University

Created by Pwojdacz (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 01:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check It says 270,000 square feet. This needs a metric value. Lightmouse (talk) 09:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I changed Size 1 Million + to 'Over 1 million books'. The term '1 million' should be lower case. Plus I initially thought 'size' refered to area so I added 'books' to make it explicit. Lightmouse (talk) 10:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Please note the style guides: common country names shouldn't be linked unless there's a particular reason to do so. ALT1 much better. Article good, but suggest spelling out "ARC" in the subtitle. Got any inside pics (not that they're essential)? Tony (talk) 09:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • The original ALT1 did not have United States linked. It seems the link was added by this edit. The original ALT1 read, "... that despite being located on a university campus, the Bruce T. Halle Library houses one of the largest collections of children's literature in the United States?" I have spelled out ARC in the lead and header of the article. OCNative (talk) 13:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I see what happened here. The Detroit News was the cited source for the hook in the body of the article, but the library history was erroneously cited in the lead. I have fixed that and added a source from the Department of Children's Literature Studies at Eastern Michigan University. OCNative (talk) 13:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind my saying so, but ... the pic is a bit flat (that's why I asked in the article edit-summary whether there were more pics). It's just a brick building to me, and DYK image rule: "Suitable, attractive, and interesting at 100 x 100px.". Tony (talk) 11:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Anino ng Kahapon

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  • No, it doesn't work to ask others to view 'all over this page'. You have made plenty of nominations, and it is impossible for other editors to keep track if your number of nominations and your number of reviews match. --Soman (talk) 01:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Tequisquiapan

  • ... that although wine grape and wine production has become important to the economy of Tequisquiapan in central Mexico, the local populace generally does not drink it?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Expansion and date confirmed. Well referenced throughout. My rusty Spanish verifies the hook fact. I'll clean up some wikilinks shortly. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 17:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Can you point to the text where it says the local population generally don't drink it? I did find the text:
  • However, the fair has had problems with the uncontrolled sale of alcoholic beverages and large number of young people simply getting drunk. This has led to incidents of fighting and other illegal behavior. There have also been cases of alcohol intoxication requiring medical attention.
which, unfortunately, is quite common in many parts of the world.
Lightmouse (talk) 14:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Frederick Settle Barff

Created by Haruth (talk). Self nom at 16:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't find that hook remarkable. However, on looking at the article, I think he's a remarkable man and the article does a good job of showing it. I'm sure we can get something good for DYK. Lightmouse (talk) 14:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Nils Vogt (journalist)

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, lenght, both hooks are ok. I would prefer the second one.Alexikoua (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we find a hook that would be considered extraordinary by Misplaced Pages readers? Lightmouse (talk) 14:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The Case of the Dean of St Asaph

ARTICLE good. HOOK ... grammar a bit clumsy. ALT1: *... that as a result of The Case of the Dean of St Asaph, the defence counsel was given the Freedom of the City of Gloucester even though the defendant was found guilty? Tony (talk) 08:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Sure. Ironholds (talk) 13:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
This topic is very intriguing! a suggestion for an alt. hook: ALT2: "... that the defence counsel in The Case of the Dean of St Asaph was given the Freedom of the City of Gloucester, even though the defendant was found guilty?"
I like the unsigned ALT2 better than mine. Tony (talk) 11:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic

5x expanded by Σ (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

A silly question, what was it a (full) member of between 1934 and 1936? Materialscientist (talk) 07:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Σ, I'm going to the article to try to extract something that is "interesting, catchy, or punchy". I have to say that this looks like business as usual for a republic. Tony (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
OK, got it from the article opening. The surprising thing about this is the number of times the name has been changed. How about this, which you may be able to improve with your knowledge of the topic?

ALT1 ... that the Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, first formed in 1920, has since been renamed three times, most recently as the Udmurt Republic in 1991? Tony (talk) 13:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Materialscientist, it was considered part of the RSFSR but never did stuff with them until they had soviets and other important people do important stuff with the RSFSR which was in 1936. And Tony, you need to change that period to a question mark. But otherwise it's good. Thanks. --The Σ contribs 02:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Frankly, I only understood "it was considered part of the RSFSR", but Tony's hook is much better anyway. Materialscientist (talk) 23:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Oops, I see it's fixed. And nominator, do check once more that the sequence of facts in the article is beyond doubt. I'm sure you know this stuff well, though. Tony (talk) 11:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
It is confirmed by what I know and the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (online). --The Σ contribs 18:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. --Soman (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Rejigged the word order in the hook: ALT1 ... that Makhdoom Mohiuddin, the president of the All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress, was arrested at the founding meeting of the organization in 1946?

    Hook interest is great. Article: needs further copy-editing. I've fixed dates, dashes, and the section-title that wasn't a noun phrase. You may be interested in reading the Manual of Style on these issues; it's how I learned about them. Article will be ok when massaged, preferably by fresh eyes (easier to see issues, then). Do you have collaborators on WP? It's a great way to work, passing back and forth from each other. Tony (talk) 13:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Jessie Miller

  • ... that, in 1927, Jessie Miller became the first woman to complete an England to Australia flight?

Created by Gcanyon (talk). Nominated by Strikerforce (talk) at 04:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


Theodore W. Brevard

Created by Croisés Majestic (talk). Self nom at 18:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 24

Ismaila Gwarzo

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 15:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

How about:
Alt1 ... that Ismaila Gwarzo, a former Nigerian National Security Advisor was accused of theft of US$2.45 billion and repaid a few hundred million?
Lightmouse (talk) 14:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
O.k. by me - better. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

John ya Otto Nankudhu

  • Reviewed: Chaetopterus variopedatus ()
  • Comment: There are two potential problems with this hook: First, it is somewhat sensationalist. The term "pauper" occurs verbatim in one of the sources, though. Second, it is of course time-sensitive; he's not going to remain in the mortuary forever. This hook would, if approved, need to be checked if new data is available as to how and when he was buried. I'm happy with any other good hook but couldn't think of anything remotely as catchy as this.

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 12:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Date, length, sources fine. The hook is awkward though. I think it should contain the article name, and prefer not to link to other articles in a DYK hook. How about ALT1 below? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that John ya Otto Nankudhu, sentenced to death for terrorism in 1968, was entitled to a Namibian state burial when he died in 2011?
  • Well, the hook was made to be awkward. This one might be too much, though. ALT1 is fine with me, although it is rather trivial--I guess any convicted terrorist is considered a hero in some country. --Pgallert (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
A hook could be deadly dull: "... that Smallville bus route #9 is a bus route in Smallville?" It could be totally obscure: "... that Oko Jumbo said Iguana was not Bonny Juju?". I don't like either extreme. A hook is an advertisement for a new article, saying "here is why you will find me interesting". It should have one bluelink, the title of the subject article, and the reason it is interesting in as few words as possible. The reader should never feel cheated when they follow the link in the hook. It should only be much later that they realize they have swallowed it. I follow these rules for every hook I make, or at least for most of them. For some of them, anyway.
I am o.k. with either tagline or any other suggestions, Aymatth2 (talk) 04:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more with Aymatth2 that one link in a DYK (single) hook is the ideal. To me, the original hook is great in the quirky tradition. But ...

ALT2... that a pauper could receive a state burial in Namibia? Tony (talk) 11:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Chaetopterus variopedatus

The parchment tube in which C. variopedatus lives.

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 11:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I do not have much knowledge of Biology but the thing in the picture does not look like a worm. It rather seems to be the tube it is living in. I would appreciate if someone with more clue than I would suggest a different wording for what exactly is pictured here. Length, date, and picture license fine, hook ref is offline. --Pgallert (talk) 12:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that the polychaete worm Chaetopterus variopedatus, which lives in a tube (pictured), can regenerate its whole body from a single segment?
What about this alternative? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Dicksonia Plantation

Dicksonia Plantation

  • ... that a windmill provided the water supply at the Dicksonia Plantation (pictured) in Alabama during the 19th century?

Created by Cougar6 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 08:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook, length, creation date fine with me. Offline ref accepting in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Article good. Hook is a let-down ... windmills providing water? Commonplace in the 19th century. Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim". Why not plunder the last section ("Destruction") for your hook? Tony (talk) 11:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Bourke B. Hickenlooper

  • ... that between 1932 and 1962, Iowa Republican Governor and U.S. Senator Bourke B. Hickenlooper won 17 of 19 elections in which he was a candidate?

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook excellent; article good. MoS prefers the ... and .... ellipsis points, rather than the humungous ones. I've treated the overlinking in the article. Could (explain) what asafetida is on the spot in the article, briefly? Tony (talk) 12:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Jack Fellure

Created by William S. Saturn (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I replaced it with something else.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I like that one, and everything else seems to check out. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I Hope Like Heck

Created by Fetchcomms (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah yeah, it's ok. Extraordinary to behold "Epidemiology of syphilis" and "Sarah Palin" in one breath. Tony (talk) 11:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland

Warsaw Ghetto, May 1941. Photo by P.K. Zermin, now in German Federal Archive

Created by Matalea (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

All units checked and validated. Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Great work on hook (truly shocking) and article. I hope this will be worked up for FLC. Three issues for now or later: (1) I didn't like the visual obstruction of the "Only 38 days ..." box at the top, and the corresponding ones below: Would it not be possible to divide each section into a separate table, with this info in the main text that leads into it? (2) the year–month– with the hanging dash was a bit upsetting until I worked out what it stands for. Is there a better way? Most people will have to work harder than I did to sort it out. (Why not "Dec 1939", for example?) (3) By "6–6,800", do you mean "6,000–6,800"? MOSNUM says you gotta type it out. To save horizontal space you could lose the commas if it suits you. Well done. Tony (talk) 10:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your excellent feedback. My main concern was to try and make the table-sort buttons work properly in all columns. For example, the dates of creation and liquidation of the ghettos begin with the year rather than the month and so on. The actual specific days when it happened are seldom listed at source, so the hanging dashes can be easily dropped. Keeping all settlements within one table allows for their proper listing in alphabetical order with a single click. -- Matalea (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

University of New Mexico Art Museum

Created by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I recommend that this DYK hook be dropped and another one be written regarding the Georgia O'Keefe codosil. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, refernces and hook fact ok. Not sure why this would be dropped? --Soman (talk) 01:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Arizona State University Art Museum

5x expanded by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a couple more. It's a highly linked article so I took out a couple of the lesser value ones.
I'm a fan of museums but many of our readers aren't. I suspect 'skull painting' is more tempting. Can we work on the hook a bit more? Lightmouse (talk)

Articles created/expanded on June 25

Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg

aerial view from the south on Schloss Johannisberg in vineyards and park, Basilika and East Wing to the right

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. Two things: Could we identify her somehow? Like: "... that German patron of the arts Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg..." or "... that Princess Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg..."? Also, could you review another hook? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


Mini Hatch (2001–2006)

Mini Cooper

  • ALT1:... that the exhaust pipe of the original new Mini Hatch (pictured) was a result of a positive result from a presentation when before at the last minute, it had to be made from a beer can?

Created by Rangoon11 (talk). Nominated by Donnie Park (talk) at 16:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Dominica State College

  • ... that initial student admission in 2010 in the Dominica State College planned for 900 applicants, was less than 400, resulting in extension of enrollment period and removal of the admissions fee?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Grant Speed

  • ... that the western-themed sculptor Grant Speed of Utah was formerly a ranch-hand, horse breaker, and rodeo performer?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ARTICLE overlinked. Or it was. See MoS about "USA" and "ly-". Consider W for Western at the start; but it's unclear you mean "a sculptor in the genre of Westerns", or something like that (I'm unsure). Certainly it's no good in the hook (a western-themed sculptor? The theme was his, applied to his sculptures. Buzz me if you need assistance in these re-phrasings. Independent copy-edit would be good ... a quick one (e.g., "to devote full time to his art"). Hook interest ok. Tony (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


Reviewed Stave Falls Dam

Tzeltal people

Tzeltal child in Amatenango

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, date and hook okay. AGF for offline sources. --Epipelagic (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Not yet. But I think we could construct a tasty hook based on their connection with Maya people. Lightmouse (talk) 15:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Stave Falls Dam

Interior of the original Stave Falls power house

Created by--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Ruskin Dam

Ruskin Dam power house just downstream of the dam

Created by--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Norty. Could be good. Also, why not Canadian dollars? Tony (talk) 12:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
The English source went with U.S. dollars which I thought was okay for its use in the article. Are the references for the filming locations okay? I haven't worked in TV-related articles much and know it is probably had to find a good source for this kind of stuff.--NortyNort (Holla) 13:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by the Spider-Man franchise

  • ... that despite Spider-Man 2 being the most critically praised entry in the franchise, it is also the lowest grossing in the trilogy?

Created by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 22:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I got wobbly locating all sources. But all units checked and confirmed. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Units check It says 2,400 feet, 3,200 feet, eight feet, twenty feet, 100 pounds. These need metric values.
How about:
Alt1 ... Spider-Man 2 was regarded by critics as the best of the trilogy but made the least money?
Lightmouse (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by the Austin Powers franchise

Created by Thecheesykid (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This is a list. Reviewed. Other than that, good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The word 'won' is too eggy for me. It's not inviting enough by itself and is less inviting when surrounded by non-egg links. Lightmouse (talk) 15:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a suggestion? That Ole Cheesy Dude 16:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
As a reference, it's very well done. It's just what an online encyclopedia needs. Unfortunately, I can't find an extraordinary fact that would bring it to DYK. Lightmouse (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

New York Agreement

5x expanded by Quigley (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

All aspects validated, including 5x expansion claim. Good to go! - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

O moj Shqypni

  • ... that O moj Shqypni has been described as one of the most influential and most important poems written in Albanian?

5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk), Kushtrim123 (talk), ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by ZjarriRrethues (talk) at 18:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment: Expansion began yesterday and not a month ago like Shubinator's DYK tool indicates.--— ZjarriRrethues —  18:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Expansion status confirmed. All units checked. Shouldn't the poem be placed back in the article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

69 Squadron (Israel)

Two Israeli Fi15Is

5x expanded by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The article seems interesting enough but I can't see anything extraordinary about the hook. Not DYK but may be worth trying for GA. Lightmouse (talk) 13:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Do we have to be quaint? I thought the original would speak to people because the subject matter was in the news and the picture is great. But we can do quaint (and it's all referenced):
Two Israeli B-17s
Two Israeli B-17s
ALT1 : ... that in 1948 the Federal Bureau of Investigations impounded a B-17 Flying Fortress destined to join Israel's 69 Squadron?
ALT2 : ... that on its delivery flight to Israel, a 69 Squadron B-17 Flying Fortress bombed the Abdeen Palace in Cairo?
ALT3 : ... that in 1981 an Israeli 69 Squadron F-4 Phantom II numbered 222 collided in mid-air with an F-16 Fighting Falcon bearing the exact same number?
ALT4 : ... that Israeli 69 Squadron pilots have clashed with both Soviet and North Korean pilots?
I still like the original better, if only for the photo. Poliocretes (talk) 19:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Galiella rufa

A cluster of brownish cup fungi

  • Reviewed: Mount Ida Plantation ()
  • Comment: I'm going for quirkyness based on wordplay here. I could find a more "conventional" hook if desired.

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

You have to be more specific in the hook, at first glance I thought you were referring to the country. Maybe something like mentioning Bulgaria as a genus. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
The point of the hook was to deliberately avoid mentioning Bulgaria as genus. In theory, people would click through to see (i) what a "hairy rubber cup" was, and (ii) why it was not in "Bulgaria". Sasata (talk) 00:39, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I would like to see your alternate hooks please as mentioned above. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the hairy rubber cup fungus (pictured) kills nematodes?
ALT2: ... that the hairy rubber cup fungus (pictured), usually considered inedible by North American field guides, is commonly consumed in Malaysia?
I am for alts 1 or 2 even if cited from offline sources. Anyone who wants to use the original hook is free to do so. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Love ALT2. Image is pretty dark and hard to make out at that size (DYK image rule: "Suitable, attractive, and interesting at 100 x 100px."). Article: good work indeed. Tony (talk) 10:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Tony. I bumped up the brightness a tad. Sasata (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Mayhew Foster

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check. It says three hundred pounds. This needs metric units. Lightmouse (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Converted to 136.36 kg. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Precision is part art, part science. It isn't a big deal but I've reduced the weight precision from 0.01 kilograms (0.022 lb). Now that's done, I'm fine with the units. Lightmouse (talk) 09:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Soldiers Chapel

Soldiers Chapel

stone and log mountain chapel

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC) Reviewed: Ian Agol, BarkingMoon (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC); I'm mulled over adding to the hook that the chapel is a memorial to a Montana WWII infantry regiment. BarkingMoon (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It refers to 4 feet, which should be converted. The hook seems a little mundane to me. On reading the article, I see the more interesting issue about forbidding certain people from burial there. Can we make something of that? Lightmouse (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Jan Claudius de Cock

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Interesting article. The hook seems a little ordinary for a DYK. Is there an extraordinary claim that can be made? If not, perhaps it'd be better to go for GA. Lightmouse (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Robert Hull Fleming Museum

Created by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 04:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Mohammad Khalil Naik. Neutrality 04:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC) Hooks check out, I prefer ALT 1 Thelmadatter (talk) 02:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Ang mga Anak Dalita

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Could use some more sources but other than that the hook checks out.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:27, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


Cape dune mole rat

5x expanded by Anaxial (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

How about:
Alt1... that the Cape dune mole rat can excavate up to 500 kg (1,100 lb) of soil in a month? Lightmouse (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Lightmouse (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
My intention was to relate a fairly obscure animal to one that's less so; many people may be entirely unfamiliar with the not-naked mole rats. Of course, there may be a better way of phrasing that than "furry". Anaxial (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh. I missed that entirely. I've seen rats and don't worry about species or whether it has hair or not. I was attracted by the amount of soil it can dig. In fact, the word 'dig' is more plain English than 'excavate'. Lightmouse (talk) 16:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 26

Ritz-Carlton Hotel (Atlantic City)

Created by Djflem (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Costa Rican general election, 2002

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Kowloon No.1

  • Reviewed: TBA

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Paglipas ng Dilim

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand it. Can somebody try to put it into plain English please? Lightmouse (talk) 10:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not intended as an insult. If you drew that conclusion, I'm sorry. Lightmouse (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm. I didn't mean the article. I can see why you were offended now! I just meant the hook. Lightmouse (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Anakng, a few comments: "zarzuela", among a lot of non-English text ... it's not explained in the opening sentence of the DYK article, either. And I've always believed readers shouldn't have to divert to a link to get something basic about the meaning. I've found now that it's "a Spanish lyric-dramatic genre". I like the mention of the year (often missing from hooks), but ... which three countries? What is the language used in the hook? What country? Hooks can sometimes work very well with a "weird" or "curiosity" factor, where information is deliberately withheld. Here, it's gobbledy to me, I'm afraid (but has potential). Can you think about how to make the hook more effective, please? ARTICLE: unsure why common English words are linked, such as "play" and "playwright". Why is "Filipino man" piped to "bachelor", etc.? Also, Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH) – do you have the dash script? It's almost infallible and widely used. Tony (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT 1: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) was an attempt to expose the negative outcome of the mixing of Filipino and Western cultures, including languages?
ALT 2: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) was an attempt to expose the negative outcome of the mixing of the cultures and languages of the Philippines, Spain, and the United States?
Suggesting Alts 1 & 2. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Did further copyedits based on Tony's comments. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
ALT 3: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) exposed the negative outcome of the intermingling of Filipino and Western cultures, including languages?
ALT 4: ... that Precioso Palma's 1920 zarzuela Paglipas ng Dilim (After the Darkness) exposed the negative outcome of the intermingling of the cultures and languages of the Philippines, Spain, and the United States? - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Shigeo Satomura

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 06:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

An article worthy of the encyclopedia. But can we make a DYK claim that Misplaced Pages readers would find extraordinary? Lightmouse (talk) 16:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The Fly-fisher's Entomology

Plate XIII Green and Gray Drake

Created by Mike Cline (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

King Creole

A film poster. A man is rising his right hand and holding a guitar with the left hand. The man is dressed with a shirt, a tie and a jacket. In the background, the same man is about to kiss a woman.

was set to be starred by James Dean as a New York boxer, but ultimately after his death the role went to Elvis Presley as a New Orleans club singer? Created/expanded by GDuwen (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


The Stars in the Bright Sky

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Please do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, nominate them in the candidate entries section above, under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated (i) within five days of creation or expansion, as usual, and (ii) between five days and six weeks before the occasion, to give reviewers time to check the nomination. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements; see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.

July 1 (Canada Day)

Declaration of war by Canada

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Moving it to Canada Day's section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
This is your ideal DYK. Punchy, short, arresting. Tony (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Tony! OCNative (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game

Created by Maxim (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Yay, hockey! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Wikisource now has the complete copy. Possibly a link to it embedded in the text of the hook, from the anchor "book", or isn't that allowed? The focus of interest barely passes, IMO. What might inject impact into the hook could come from knowing how little was written about any sport in the terms taken by the book. That would require 15 mins of searching on your part. I'd love something like "... hockey]] and one of the most detailed of its day on any sport?" But only if it's true.  :-) Tony (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • It's difficult to judge with regards to a comparison, because only four copies of the book are known to exist. Would something like "... was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are known to exist?" work? I think external links are frowned upon in DYK, but maybe Wikisource could be an exception? This would be best answered by someone with more DYK experience. Maxim(talk) 16:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

July 2

NCAA Season 87

  • Comment: Requested date: July 2

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

July 10

Terry Fullerton

Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self nom at 22:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

All aspects checked. But please cover all of the bare links. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I was going to fill them in but sice it has been done, I wish to thank Materialscientist for helping to cover all the bare link which I forgot to do yesterday. Donnie Park (talk) 16:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Ready to be DYK'd. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

July 12

Leroy Petry

U.S. Army soldier Leroy Petry in uniform

Created by TomPointTwo (talk), RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Nominated by Jwillbur (talk) at 00:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Note: I listed the article creator (TomPointTwo) and the most prolific editor (RightCowLeftCoast) as the authors, but a number of others have added to the article as well. Also, can this item be held until the date of the presentation ceremony, July 12? — jwillbur 00:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Wow, impeccable timing. Items can be held for a maximum of six weeks, and this article was created exactly six weeks before July 12. If the nominator consents to my ALT hook (or proposes another ALT hook), I will be happy to move this to the Special Occasion Holding Area (the ALT obviously only works on July 12):
ALT1... that today, Leroy Petry (pictured) becomes only the second living soldier to receive the Medal of Honor for actions after the end of the Vietnam War? OCNative (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Your alt hook looks great, thank you. — jwillbur 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Based on Ruby2010's approval of the date, length, and references for this nomination, this is approved with ALT1 and moved to the Special Occasion Holding Area for July 12. OCNative (talk) 03:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it should say 'American' or 'U.S.' somewhere in the hook. The Medal of Honor link should be changed also, as it points to a dab page. --Soman (talk) 01:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I had typed Medal of Honour... anyway, it is still a bit ambigous. There are various other medals with similar names. --Soman (talk) 01:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
How about Congressional Medal of Honor or the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor? While technical incorrect, that moniker has always been specificially associated with this particular American military decoration. Also, using the link Congressional Medal of Honor will re-direct the reader to the appropriate article. Marcd30319 (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

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