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User 24.185.161.165, I removed your link. Please see Misplaced Pages's policy on linking to copyrighted works. Specifically: "Linking to copyrighted works is usually not a problem, as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else's copyright. If it is, please do not link to the page."

The page you linked is full of material violating the artists' copyright. flowersofnight 13:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Genre

Leysau seems to be doing the idiot act again, acting as if she owns every article she edits and anyone else who edits those articles must be "vandals", anybody who has witnessed her trolling and POV pushing on the Children of Bodom, Gothic Metal and other related articles will be aware that she has been caught out and confronted with such actions before.

Moi Dix Mois do NOT play "Gothic Metal", they dress in a Gothic Lolita fashion style but do not play any kind of "Gothic" music, stop trying to connect random bands to the genre you are a fan of, totally unfoundedly.

The style they play is Heavy Metal mixed with Neo-Classical and Visual Kei. You do NOT own this article, it is a public article where people work together and edit, do you understand the concept of that? I doubt it. - Deathrocker 16:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

This revert war over exactly what kind of metal Moi dix Mois plays is silly. I've created a compromise version that just attributes his style to "metal". Really, the metal bands Mana's expressed interest in are Slayer and Motley Crue. Why not just mention these influences in the article? Also: Moi dix Mois don't dress as gothic lolitas. Gothic lolitas are female, and none of the members incorporate female dress in their stage act. Mana's mostly phased out the cross-dressing at this point in his career.

Also, why did you revert my version? I'd like to get something up that we can agree on for now, till we work out the differences. flowersofnight (talk) 16:36, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

"Heavy Metal" as it is, is used as a general term that covers all of the metal subgenres, they simply do not play "Gothic Metal". The user who vandalises this article is a fan of that genre and is the only reason for its mention in the article, she has frequent "freak outs" on Misplaced Pages and goes on edit warring crusades with numerous editors, unfortunetly this is nothing new. - Deathrocker 16:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Please not that an admin has before banned DeathRocker for inciting revert wars on the Gothic music and Nu Metal articles against me, for claiming both ownership of articles and open violation of the 3RR.

On a second note, i suggest reading the Gothic metal and Neo-classical metal articles. Heavy Metal mixed with Classical is, Neo-classical metal. The band also does not soley play Gothic metal, but have indirectly blended the genre into their music. Reading up on what a musical genre is should help the understanding of how they are what they are named as.

The article also stated that the band plays a combination of Neo-classical metal and gothic metal BEFORE Deathrocker changed it, which has been enforced by many anons and the WP:HMM project, of whom im one of the most active members.

An admin is also now involved that has banned Deathrocker before. Ley Shade 16:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's just say for now that M10M plays visual kei/heavy metal. User:Leyasu is on a one-revert-per-day restriction from Arbcom and you're both over the WP:3RR limit anyway, so I'm going to go ahead and reinstate my attempt at a compromise version. As for Shadow X, the official lyrics booklets list his position in the band as "Death Voice", so I'm going to list him as that, without linking to the metal term. I think that's reasonable. I'm also going to remove the part about Gothic Lolita as I mentioned above. Mana's image in Moi dix Mois is outright masculine at present. flowersofnight (talk) 16:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The reason it said "Gothic Metal" before I edited it, is because YOU edited it in before, once you've had an edit on an article you think it becomes yours. Also the same admin has banned YOU TOO before.

And to flowersofnight if Mana now dresses more masculine there should be some kind of picture showing this aswel as mentioning the bands fashion before he recently changed it. - Deathrocker 16:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Death voice means Death vocals, thus changing that i will change back. If yew change the genre, ill change it back because its called POV Pushing, and what im endorsing was the one before Deathrocker POV pushed anything onto the article. For evidence i typed up to the admin involved in Deathrockers persistant trouble causing, look here. Im sorry, and i dont want to war with yew flowers because your trying to help, but in the course of Misplaced Pages Prose and wikipedia being about factual accuracy and consensus, all balls are in my court. Previous consensus lists them as what they where before Deathrocker pushed their POV onto the article, thus thats ill uphold until Deathrocker respects both the policys WP:NPOV and WP:CITE.

Also despite Deathrockers claim, i actually changed the article to point out the band isnt a purely Gothic Metal band, and made minor gramma edits to additions by anons when they occured. The Gothic Metal addition was done before i even joined Misplaced Pages!! Ley Shade 17:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Deathrocker: Well, he never was masculine in M10M to begin with, so it's not really something new. While the makeup-wearing might be somewhat effeminate by Western standards, he was clearly intending to present himself as masculine throughout M10M's history. I think the picture we have will do.

And would the two of you please stop reverting in violation of WP:3RR? I'm trying once more with a compromise version. Re: Shadow X, I think it's fair to call him what the band itself calls him. I put it in quotes to make that clear. flowersofnight (talk) 17:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll agree to settle for your compromise edition for now flowersofnight. - Deathrocker 17:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

This isnt about fairness and i will openly violate 3RR to stop vandalism. Albight your not vandalising the page Flowers, Deathrocker has.

In light of the band calling themselfs anything, Misplaced Pages doesnt list bands based on their own views. Death Voice means Death Vocals, so we direct to Death Grunt and list voice as vocals, because thats proper prose.

If people want to discuss genre, then start a bullet issue below where each person lists their beliefs on why they are a given genre, and why they arent another. Also please remember to cite sources per WP:CITE. I can do this at will, i just dont until someone does it first.

As for the compromise edition, i stand for consensus and fact overall, thus if the article lists what the article said before it was changed, im more than happy to sit here and discuess the genres and views with both of yew. Ley Shade 17:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The theory of concensus

Leyasu seems to be confused on this concept. I am agreeing to the version edited last by flowers. The only editor backing Leyasu's POV filled version is Leyasu herself, If I am agreeing with flowers version for now, so that is 2 vs. 1, how am I editing against concensus? Oh, I'm not, kthnxbye. - Deathrocker 17:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Despite the snide remarks and personal attacks of Deathrocker, Deathrocker went again consensus by POV Pushing a change to the article and initating a revert war. Deathrocker went on to start reverting Flowers, and only has agreed to Flowers version when Flowers version represents Deathrockers POV. Regardless, the original consensus still stands, regardless of what way Deathrocker trys to POV push. Ley Shade 18:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I agreed with flowers concensus after discussing points on this very talk page, it became clear that, that version was a fair neutral version, there was no previous concensus, previously in your mind you "owned" the article and pushed your POV and favouritism of a genre you're a fan of. Until a few days ago when I began editing it, liberating it from your clutches, to be a free public article that anybody can edit... you seem to be against that idea. - Deathrocker 18:07, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Please provide a diff of me claiming ownership of the article. The also irony og it is, when yew check my edit history, ive only ever done spellchecking and gramma edits to the article. Irony when i apparantly 'own the article'. Ley Shade 18:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Calling sock

Please try to discuss your changes here, instead of repeatedly reverting to versions your user name (User:Leyasu) was banned for 42 hours for pushing.

What are your reasons behind removing reliable info which is sourced, and article reworks which were agreed on via concensus?