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Just curious

Hi James, This edit plus an AWB cleanup on another article which moved the category below the stub template made me wonder why the ordering of the various "invisibles" matters, and what the optimal order is? dramatic (talk) 20:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dramatic - the optimal order is infoboxes, then categories, then stub templates, then interwiki links. Putting stub templates below infoboxes makes them less intrusive into the article, and putting them below categories ensures that the stub category is at the end of the list of categories rather than at the beginning. Other than that, it's mainly just so that there's a set order to make them easier to find. I'm pretty sure i/w links are last to help people to add other-language links to articles they may not be able to read (if they don't speak a particular language) without having to hunt for the right place to add links. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation!dramatic (talk) 09:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you get out your admin mop?

I accidentally made the new Afghanistan stub split categories at Category:Foo geography stubs instead of at Category:Foo Province geography stubs. If you'll fix it, I promise to hold still for my well deserved pummeling. Thanks. Aelfthrytha (talk) 01:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

the Closet article

Dear Grutness, Thanks for trying, and yes I know all about WP:IMPERFECT. I have written lots of articles over the past 5 years many of which have stood the test of time very well. And I am perfectly well aware that what I wrote is entirely interesting, suitably-written and appropriate for Misplaced Pages. In an article of 2 short paragraphs with perfectly adequate citation for sources, however, to find it immediately beset by tagging because it doesn't contain a mass of inline footnotes is enough to p*** me off thoroughly. I will spare you the words that sprang to my lips - and so I removed my work because I would rather do that than engage with another editor whom, I strongly suspect, has not yet taken the trouble to investigate the sources which I HAVE cited in the article. Bless you for trying to repair the situation, you are a good soul. If anyone else thinks the article is interesting or worth reviving, let them by all means do as they please. I shall never bother to look at it again. Cheers and best wishes to you, Eebahgum (talk) 11:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Auckland Misplaced Pages Meetup

Hey. We're having an Auckland Misplaced Pages meetup on April 9. Details are at Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Auckland. Would love to see you there. :) --LauraHale (talk) 02:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Hyphenation of compound modifiers in articles on New Zealand subjects

WP:HYPHEN mentions nothing about New Zealand. I will bring it up on its talk page, as you seem to think they have overlooked something. Chris the speller 21:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

As was pointed out on that talk page, The Write Style Manual for Standards New Zealand recommends the following:

Do not hyphenate a compound adjective when the adverb ends in -ly.

Examples

a badly written letter

a lightly whisked egg

This seems to negate your claim that such hyphens are retained in New Zealand. Chris the speller 00:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

A random corporate style-guide, largely and expressly based on non-Kiwi sources. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

But provided by the NZ Parliament. I picked the first two articles from its home page:

How Parliament works

Legislation - Bills

And commissioned by the national Standards organisation. dramatic (talk) 07:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

They each use standard -ly adverbs in compound modifiers, with nary a hyphen. Maybe they outsourced their web site to Hackensack, New Jersey? Chris the speller 02:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Given that this is the same government that wanted to remove apostrophes from place names such as "Arthurs Pass" (sic), it wouldn't surprise me at all. NZ's government is the last place I'd look for linguistic guidance. Grutness...wha? 05:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Please do not add hyphens after -ly adverbs. Could you read the MoS on hyphens (and dashes, while we're at it). Mr Anderson has come here, BTW, to stir up trouble over the fact that we have a strong, centralised style guide, which he objects to in concept. He has been blocked multiple times, the last time only recently, for edit-warring over his pet peeve. Tony (talk) 04:48, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- All right, if I must. I'm simply going by the usually-accepted method of hyphenating such terms in New Zealand. Without them, It is very easy to produce less clearly-expressed language, which is something which must surely be avoided wherever possible. I'd ask you to try parsing the following sentence to see what I mean: "The hospital was filled with poorly paid workers." Were they poorly-paid, or were they ill professionals? Grutness...wha? 05:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

But then you would follow the MoS and use a hyphen because it is necessary to clarify ambiguity - or better still, you would recast the sentence to avoid the ambiguity. Since there has been no offer of a Reliable Source either documenting or prescribing this use of hyphens in NZEng, I'm for sticking with the norm. dramatic (talk) 07:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm really a bit confused by this all - the idea of not hyphenating pre-noun adjectives with adverbial modifiers is something I've never come across in years of professional writing, editing, subediting, and proofreading - it is also contrary to the house style of the news media I've been involved with, as can be seen from some of the headlines put out from them: , , . If it's only adverbs ending in -ly, then it's pretty arbitrary - more so if you have to hyphenate ambiguous ones. What is the difference between hyphenating "poorly-conceived notion" and hyphenating "ill-conceived notion" (especially since poorly and ill can both mean sick). And if you don't hyphenate ill+adjective before a noun you open up all sorts of ambiguities. Topping it all off is the fact that, prior to my first reply above, there were three comments (other than yours; I consider your comments automatically excellent and non-criticisable :) - the first supported the MoS and was okay, but a later comment by the same commenter was sarcastic to the point of being questionable. The second made a valid point and was then pounced on by the third editor, who put down the seemingly valid observation as those of a troublemaker with a "pet peeve" - again hardly Wikiquette compliant. Not to mention the fact that a pet peeve can often be a justifiable one. Yet it was the second editor - the one who simply made a valid point - who is apparently the rogue editor. Grutness...wha? 11:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I've now looked at several New Zealand style guides and none of them give ly examples for compound modifiers (and the University of Canterbury's doesn't appear to know the difference between hyphens and dashes (it calls an em-dash a long hyphen)). This lighthearted article from Salient explains it rather well though: However, if the adjective is preceded by an adverb, no hyphen is necessary, as adverbs can’t modify nouns—they describe the how, when, where and why, modifying verbs and adjectives—so it is clear that it modifies the adjective and not the noun. Adverbs commonly end in -ly. And in your example above, poorly is a bit of a rarity - a word which can be both an adverb and an adjective. dramatic (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Grutness' example of "The hospital was filled with poorly paid workers." would be taken by the average reader to mean that the workers are not well paid; if the writer meant that the paid workers were ill, the addition of a comma would make all the difference: "The hospital was filled with poorly, paid workers." Or, better yet, as Dramatic advises, recast the sentence. The -ly ending indicates that the word is an adverb that modifies the following word, and that is found to be enough indication throughout the English-speaking world. I doubt that many New Zealanders find it difficult to read a newspaper or magazine from Sydney or Manchester because of the paucity of hyphens. I looked for an online punctuation guide from a New Zealand university, and the closest thing I found was "Getting to Grips with Grammar, Spelling and Punctuation", which is an Auckland U. course description that uses three -ly adverbs in compound modifiers, all without hyphens. I am afraid that I assumed that light-hearted remarks would cause no offense, or offence; I will try to avoid any repetition. Chris the speller 13:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Apology accepted :) Okay, if the consensus is for there to be no hyphens, I'll accept that, though it still comes as a surprise, amd still doesn't explain why adverbs which don't end -ly aren't treated the same way. Grutness...wha? 23:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

The reason is that the -ly ending immediately alerts the reader that it is an adverb, and adverbs are usually followed by the adjective or verb that is being modified. When an adverb that does not end in -ly begins a compound modifier, a hyphen is used to tie it to what is being modified, such as "the well-fed cat", where you otherwise would not know that "well" is an adverb until you pieced the rest of the phrase together. Happy editing! Chris the speller 00:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced - that suggests that (a) adverbs that don't end in -ly may be other things, which isn't always the case, and (b) words that nend in-ly and which modify adjectives are always adverbs, which is also not always the case. Seems pretty arbitrary, but if that's the moS recommendation, I'll try to keep to it. Grutness...wha? 10:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

File:RadioTelescope.png needs authorship information.

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Hm. Given that I specified on the document who created it (i.e., me), and licensed it originally as pd-self, it should be fairly clear whose authorship it is... Grutness...wha? 13:20, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Eastern Nepal

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Fine by me - all I ever did to the article was add a stub tag and query some ungrammatical wording (which hasn't been cleared up in the four years since then!) I'm amazed it hasn't been deleted long ago! Grutness...wha? 09:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

NZHPT

Hi there Grutness (I've posted the same message to XLerate), I'm currently going through a big effort tidying up the NZHPT files on Commons. Would you mind lending a hand? I'm trying to get everything out of the parent category. Could you deal with the Otago Region structures and categorise them? Schwede66 03:39, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll do some, but I'm trying hard to cut down my WP time, so no guarantee that I'll do the lot! Grutness...wha? 00:40, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Is it just the loose image files you want taken out,. or do the subcategories for individual structures come out too?

Uhhh... I seem to be missing a trick here somewhere. The link you provided is full of files, but none of them seem to have category links. What gives? Grutness...wha? 01:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

The trick is that XLerate has beaten you to it; it's all done :) Thanks anyway for your willingness to help. Schwede66 01:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

I thank you for your advice.Maglame 10:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Carisbrook

Hi Grutness. Carisbrook was on my watchlist so I have noticed the recent reverts. I tend to think that it should mention the new stadium, but does not need to go into as much detail as it currently does. I made some edits and have started a discussion on the talk page. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 07:24, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Defunct railway stations

Given what you worte recently at Misplaced Pages:Stub types for deletion/Log/2011/May/14#{{Disused-railstation-stub}}, I think you may be interested in knowing about my new CfD nomination, Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 May 30#Category:Defunct railway stations, which deals with the consistancy of the names of the relevant categories here. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, though it may well be a case of local usages ruling the day. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

`{{Yanni-album-stub}}`

I have copied most of the contents of that template into my userspace to improve it. I have blanked the template page in good faith and nominated it for speedy deletion criteria G7. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) /_{Sign mine} 02:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay - thanks for that, but please bear in mind that album stubs are not split by individual artists, so it's very unlikely any Yanni-album-stub is likely to gain approval even if it is improved. Grutness...wha? 02:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm just keeping it for future reference in case if I ever need it sometime. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) /_{Sign mine} 02:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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Stub creations

I have only been creating stub templates for WikiProject's that have red links where the templates would be linked. I'll be sure to propose new stub types next time. Thanks for your help! 08OceanBeach 03:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the resource. 08OceanBeach 03:07, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Category sorting

Just a reminder: DEFAULTSORT is in capitals, and uses a colon - e.g. {{DEFAULTSORT:Lake Porkchop}}, not {{Defaultsort|Lake Porkchop}}. —Paul A (talk) 15:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Hiding top edits

Hey, I ported the "tops" part of my script so that you can use it in Monobook, and left it at User:Grutness/nothingthree-monobookTops.js. Enjoy. :) {{Nihiltres|talk|edits|⚡}} 23:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Template:GAA-club-stub

I actually wanted to add the pp-template and I decided to remove it. Sorry for the (edit conflict). ۞ Tbhotch & (ↄ), My comment was grammatically incorrect? Correct it! → Click here for terms and conditions 03:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Bot Help?

G I don't have a bot account but do use Autowikibrowser which will allow me to do that much quicker than by hand so I will have a look at doing it for you, probably won't be till the weekend though. Waacstats (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Grutness. I am the actual requester of {{Modern-art-stub}}, and would very likely be its primary user. Part of my remit as Wikipedian-in-Residence at MoMA is to improve the broad range of modern art content on Misplaced Pages, including items both within and outside their collection, and also work done both through the WikiProject and by the general editor community at large.

I did solicit the additional opinions of fellow WikiProject members because of their relevant subject-matter expertise, but I do think I have a bit of an edge on them in "stubbitude", and would certainly be leading the implementation and tagging according to the appropriate standards.--Pharos (talk) 19:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense. I know you've knowledge of the stubbing system - I was just concerned with some of the comments from others who jumped on board the conversation - my opposition is more a temporary block to hopefully encourage them to read up on the difference between stubs and assessment than a permanent "no". And you're probably right with your initial proposal of just the one overall stub type - others can be split out later if required. FWIW, we may be in similar lines of business (I'm both a painter and art critic by profession). Grutness...wha? 00:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Ooodle years on the site, and still going strong; hope your well over there. Cheers Lectonar (talk) 10:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Very tasty too! Thank you! I'll be taking another wikibreak soon...once I've got all the Antarctic geography articles sitting up and begging :) Grutness...wha? 11:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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Antarctica stubs

I have AWB access again - please let me know if I can be of any help with these. I've been nibbling away at the fringes already tonight. Looks like Ross Dependency is going to need further paring down, and East Antarctica stubs as well, I suspect. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi SA - I may take you up on that... problem is at the moment a lot of those stubs haven't got nicely sorted permcats (if they had, AWB would be very useful)> I'm working on East Antarctica at the moment. Ross... I think Edward VII Land can be split out of that. Big problem's probably going to be Graham Land. I thinkl thgat a Trinity Peninsula stub type might be the thing to cut that down, but there's (currently) no permcat for it. If it's possible to use AWB could find all articles which have links to the Trinity Peninsula article and a GrahamLand-geo-stub and replace that with a new TrinityPeninsula-geo-stub and add a Cat:Trinity Peninsula it would be very useful. Watch for upcoming proposals at WP:WSS/P! :) Grutness...wha? 07:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Er...sorry. I was doing a little checking on some of them last night, and it looked like they were in Ross - they were surrounded on all sides by features in Ross Dependency. (I check every feature I can get my hands on, and if all of them line up, I tend to assume that something in the middle of them should be tagged the same.)

Where are you finding the lists showing where features are? Or are you going solely by coordinates? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

S'alright :) I'm going solely by coordinates for most of them, though I have a fairly detailed map of Ross Dependency which I'm using for some (one advantage of living in a city with some connections with research in that part of the world!) One problem seems to be different definitions for the boundaries of the areas, though the simplest and most clear-cut are the lines of longitude (quite a few of the places that were quite clearly in Palmer Land by what maps I have and the coordinates indicated that they were in Ellsworth Land, for instance). It's much easier when there are specific features for regions (like the Ross Island ones, for instance). Grutness...wha? 14:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the thing - I'm going by "what links here". It's hardly a scientific rubric, but it does the trick most of the time.

Most of these places - Oates Land? - I've never even heard of, I'm afraid. Us American kids don't study Antarctic research much in school. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Although my father well remembers with Admiral Byrd's brother was in the Senate. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

A lot of the places I was only vaguely aware of - luckily articles like Australian Antarctic Territory give nice definitions for them. I'd heard of Oates Land and a few of the others but some I'd never heard of (Princess Elizabeth Land? Kemp Land?). My old university has strong links to Scott Base (one of my best friends from high school worked down in Antarctica for a couple of summers as a geologist), so there's probably a bit more info about Antarctica floating around here than there would be where you are. Grutness...wha? 04:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Lucky you - my old university has ties to a bunch of dead famous people, but that's about it.

I'll have a look at AWB and see what I can do tonight. Shouldn't take too long. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 07:33, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

It's taking longer than I expected, and I do need to get to bed shortly. The stub-sorting is almost done; I'll do the categorization in the afternoon/evening, if you don't mind. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 08:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Still taking longer than I expected, and I have to get ready for work in the morning. I'll finish it up tomorrow night. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Macwhatever Land

Hello- why do I see these things late at night! Still have a leaning towards the Aussie form as it is part of AAT but I have no issue with it as now is, so feel free to sort out cats etc without any further interference. Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 06:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)).

:) Cheers Grutness...wha? 07:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

South Sudan airport stub

I wasn't aware that discussion was underway; I checked the WikiProject for South Sudan and there was no mention of it, only that we need to create South Sudan-specific categories, etc. I didn't figure the creation of a relevant stub that would see usage on multiple articles and has direct analogs in stubs for other countries (including the Republic of the Sudan) would be in any way controversial (and following the wl for the stubs WikiProject you provided for me seems to bear out that assumption), and since I had been working on updating the airport articles for independence, I just went ahead and created it. I apologize for any inconvenience or if I jumped the gun. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Replied on Kudzu1's page. Grutness...wha?

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Nara Desert Wildlife Sanctuary

Why did you move it to Anara Desert Wildlife Sanctuary? Please, reply on my talk page. Farjad0322 09:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks... It is Nara desert as IUCN suggests. I'll fix it. Farjad0322 10:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Gastric Ulcer

hey man hope you r feeling better. I was once taken by ambulance to hospital for a bleeding ulcer - nearly died - repaired quickly and now am on here much of my time. Dont let a scary ulcer spoil your fun. Mark 17:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Mark. Yeah, that was a while ago now, but I've still got to take it easy. I can do without a repeat episode of vomiting up everything I ate, complete with loads of blood. Not pleasant at all. Grutness...wha? 00:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Mount Murchison (Antarctica)

Not sure why you replaced the dab page Mount Murchison (Antarctica) to redirect to the more general dab page Mount Murchison. Any clarification would be helpful. Cheers. Jan1naD 11:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Standard practice. You don't have layers of dab pages. There are two distinct Mount Murchisons in Antarctica; they are both listed on the main disambiguation page. Anyone typing "Mount Murchison (Antarctica)" should be taken to that main dab page. It's the same as is done with other caseswhere there are two or three of a particular landform place within one country but others elsewhere as well. Check out links like Fairfield, New Zealand and Blue Lake (New Zealand) for examples of how this is normally done. Grutness...wha? 11:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I've now discovered WP:INCDAB, and added the cat to the redirect. Jan1naD 12:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Arthur Barnett

Hi there, if you are interested in possibly writing a biography about a Dunedin personality, then I invite you to have a look at these thoughts. Schwede66 18:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Not a bad idea... won't be today, but I'll try to get down to it soon... Grutness...wha? 01:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Uw-controversial2

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Re: Thanks for the laugh!

Re your message: What? Huh? What happened? I think I may have passed out... -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Antarctica

Excellent. I'll have some time tonight, and see what I can do then. Don't worry too much about doing the accent change; that's very easy to do with AWB, and I'd be happy to save you the trouble. Incidentally, regarding CFD: might I suggest keeping the current category as a redirect? I don't know if you ever use HotCat, but category redirects are very useful there. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Hadn't thought of that - I've only recently started using HotCat. Sounds like a good idea. Grutness...wha? 23:34, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

OK - I did the rest of the Graham Land stubs. I'll take a look at at least some of the Victoria Land stubs tonight, but I'm not sure I'll have the time to do much with them. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Scratch that - I see you've been a-categorizing. Makes my life much easier, then, thanks. :-) One load of McMurdo Dry Valleys stubs, comin' right up. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :) Yeah, I though that while I was working out which ones would go where it made sense to add categories as well. Grutness...wha? 05:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

OK - I've done a chunk, but I have to go to bed soon. I'll finish tomorrow night. Tell you what - all you need to do is categorize, and then I can stub-sorting using the categories. Saves us both a ton of effort - you use HotCat, and I use AWB, and we'll be done in nothing flat. That work? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Works fine for me - thanks :) Grutness...wha? 05:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Happy to be of help. Especially as I'm responsible for most of this mess in the first place. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

And that should be that. Have a look and tell me if I've missed anything. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Good, because now I can give you this:

		The Antarctican Penguin Barnstar
		For getting the insane mass of Antarctica stub articles under control, I award you this cute li'l fella. Keep him someplace cool. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Hidden navbar on Template:Asbox

Howdy. In my eternal trawling of the database for odd-looking fish, I've come across the hidden navbar on the Asbox template. I'm trying to assess the usefulness of this feature; as one of either it's users or implementers, I'd like to draw your attention to Template talk:Asbox#Why the navbar ?. - TB (talk) 21:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia

Hey, I found this article: Communist regime in Czechoslovakia, which covers the time from 1948–1989, so I think Czechoslovak Socialist Republic should be amended to be limited from 1960 on. Communist Czechoslovakia should redirect to Communist regime in Czechoslovakia, no? I'll withdraw my category name suggestion and try to sort things out. Good Ol’factory 23:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Lyttelton road tunnel

"Stub-Class articles and stubs are different things and use different guidelines" - well, you learn something every day, don't you? Have another look, please, as I've expanded Lyttelton road tunnel somewhat. It's got proper referencing now, too. Schwede66 10:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, and no longera stub :) A shame though in a way, since I was trying to get NewZealand-road-stub up to the threshold 60 articles, and every one lost is one more I have to find! There is some difference between the two standards (basically because the -Class ratings are decided by individual subject WikiProjects, in this case the NZ one, whereas stub compares the article with other articles across WP; WPNZ might compare this with other articles on NZ road infrastructure, WSS is more likely to compare it with articles on road tunnels in Sweden and Singapore), but it's not a huge difference. Grutness...wha? 11:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you are collecting stubs, what about road bridges? Victoria Bridge, Hamilton, Pukete Bridge, Maungatapu Bridge, Balclutha Road Bridge (could be Start) and Opawa River Bridge? Schwede66 12:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

They're possible, but it may be better to simply wait until a few more of the missing state highway articles get done. Grutness...wha? 01:17, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

What will happen when you have found 60? What's the objective? Schwede66 01:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

60's the threshold for a separate stub category. Until it reaches that number, they remain upmerged in more general stub categories. It's nopt a biggie, but it would be nice to get them out of the general NZ stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:43, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Arthur Barnett (businessman)

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Fair enough - looks like it's been replaced by a better image. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Eurovision stubs

You might want to see my comments at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Stub re-organisation. CT Cooper · talk 20:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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AWB

Sure - I should be able to do that tonight, barring unforseen circumstances. Happy to help out, as always. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

OK - finished 'em off yesterday. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

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Thanks for that - much appreciated! Grutness...wha? 05:20, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Plan, Dunedin Town Hall.

Dear James,

It's great someone has added a plan of the Dunedin Town Hall complex but unfortunately it isn't right. It leaves out the building compartment incorporating the old Concert Chamber, now the Glenroy, between the Municipal Chambers and the Town Hall proper, and mistakenly extends Lawson's Municipal Chambers north on the east side into what is really the Concert Chamber/Glenroy compartment.

Is it possible to fix this?

If this sounds confusing just contact me at portdanielpress@actrix.co.nz or (03) 4773020.

Regards,

Peter Entwisle

replied on Peter's talk page. Grutness...wha? 11:47, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Palmerston North Bowling Club

Hey James. Hope you are in good health. I see that you reverted my merge proposal of Palmerston North Bowling Club into a possible Bowls in New Zealand article. It was a serious proposal. We need a bowls article to cover Lawn bowls in New Zealand, New Zealand Indoor Bowls and other related topics. The Palmerston North Bowling Club article is a bit of an anomaly since there are many other more notable bowling clubs that deserve articles. I know about the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and the WP:NOTPAPER arguments but I guess I am a bit of a intermedist. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Upload your free media to Commons, please!

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I know that. I also know that my connection makes it virtually impossible to upload things to commons. I've tried on numerous occasions, and each time my internet connection has crashed. Not everyone can directly upload to commons, it seems. I've reported the problem several times, but nothing's ever been done about it. One of the problems of using an older computer and dial-up, I guess. (PS - Misplaced Pages:Don't template the regulars may apply, given that I've uploaded over 600 images here over the last seven years!) Grutness...wha? 01:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Te Radar

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Um... what part of the references I added don't support the information? Grutness...wha? 07:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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inneresting

to see you back in the small world of stub decision making... pity there wasnt a requirement for fiddlers to go to projects relevant - I am sure I said that 3 or 4 years ago.. trust all is well with life and computer - FYI - I have probably slandered you mercilessly at - http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Western_Australia - but hey the place has so fewer eds these days, I am sure someone has forgotten to put out the light on the way out - cheers Satu Suro 12:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi SatuSuro. Yeah, I'm still here intermittently. Hope things are well with you - had a bitch of a year last year, but things are slowly getting to be on the up again. Grutness...wha? 12:56, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey thats good you are wandering across my watchlist like a creeping virus again :) - hope this year continues better, mine sort of picking up slowly Satu Suro 10:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Your Image

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Away

I will be away this weekend. Would you please keep an eye on this on Sunday to document any stub and category changes - thanks. Agathoclea (talk) 12:17, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll do my best, though I may not be here that much this weekend either! Grutness...wha? 12:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

{{Ballet-stub}} vs. {{Ballet-dance-stub}}

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DYK

I nominated your five-fold expansion for DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/New Zealand Young Farmers. SL93 (talk) 23:43, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I never think to nominate things for DYK (and I'm never sure how much of an expansion makes something eligible, either). Grutness...wha? 00:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

A 5-times expansion of the prose within five days makes it eligible. If you want a hand with submitting, just sing out. I submit all the time, and it's straight forward if you know how to go about it. Schwede66 01:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - will do :) Grutness...wha? 01:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

CFD comment

Just FYI: . I'm not sure if you misunderstood my suggestion, or if I misunderstood your caveat. Good Ol’factory 02:19, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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