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Being Born Again Couture Fashion Show - banners help

Hi there,

This is addressed to whoever wrote the big banners with the "may contain wording that merely promotes the subject", "a major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject" and "may contain inappropriate or misinterpreted citations that do not verify the text":

As per Bonadea's comments: "...put in the "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject" tag, what are their reasons for believing this - I don't like "hit and run" tagging - they need to open up a dialogue in the discussion page and express their concerns, otherwise the tag serves no purpose other than to deface the article. Can you please address this matter in their talk page as they appear to have added a few of these 4 banners, which suggests they know more about the topic than they're willing to contribute - which is a waste of time if they don't intend to give clearer feedback."

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Misplaced Pages's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (August 2011) RESPONSE: I am very knowledgeable about this topic and hence am writing the wikipedia page for it. Short of one of the fashion designers or artists or models writing the page and giving it their "spin" and giving it their promotional point of view, I am writing the page from what I feel is an objective point of view and a very neutral point of view. Ma®©usBritish and Bonadea have helped me edit out all the things which are inappropriate and not to do with the article.

This article may contain wording that merely promotes the subject without imparting verifiable information. Please remove or replace such wording, unless you can cite independent sources that support the characterization. RESPONSE: I have referenced it properly and taken out all descriptive words. Ma®©usBritish and Bonadea have helped me. Please take out "This article may contain wording that merely promotes the subject without imparting verifiable information. Please remove or replace such wording, unless you can cite independent sources that support the characterization."

This article may contain inappropriate or misinterpreted citations that do not verify the text. Please help improve this article by checking for inaccuracies. (help, talk, get involved!) (August 2011) RESPONSE: I have cited all references properly and you can check - there is nothing that can be misinterpreted or misinformed. Ma®©usBritish and Bonadea have noted that there is little they can do considering that they have limited knowledge about fashion shows.

I would like to have these 3 banners removed please. When will they be removed?

Thank you.

Domenico.y (talk) Domenico.y

Domenico.y,

It looks like you need someone with more knowledge in fashion to review the article, and remove the clean-up banners, once satisfied that the article is neutral and notable. I could not find a WikiProject dedicated to "fashion", so the closest I have matched is Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Arts, given that fashion could be considered an art form. If you go to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Arts and leave a message on that talk page, explaining that you have created the Being Born Again Couture Fashion Show article, that you had it reviewed at RFF (Misplaced Pages:Requests for feedback/2011 August 24#Being Born Again Couture Fashion Show), as they may look into it, if it falls within their project's scope. Perhaps there are some members there who will review the article and help you develop it further than those at RFF who gave it a read but don't know anything about it, as it would seem to be a more specialised interest. I cannot guarantee anything, but it's worth a try. Don't worry too much about the banners, though, it doesn't mean the article is "bad", just that it needs reviewing and possibly a bit more work to before it meets quality standards - I'm sure someone, somewhere on Wiki, will be able to guide you.

Regards, Ma®©usBritish  18:12, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks MarcusBritish. I posted about the Being Born Again Couture fashion show on the wall of the Arts, but no-one has gotten back to me. Can you suggest anything else which might help take those banners away please? I wrote a message to Boneada on teir talk page, but haven't heard back yet. Thank you. Domenico.y (talk) Domenico.y

Davina

Some tips on the draft:

1. Try not to use user-edited sites like LinkedIn. Also try not to use primary sources, i.e. sources which are controlled by, related to, or otherwise influenced by the subject herself (an example are websites of companies she owns). They are not considered reliable sources except for proving noncontroversial information. For information which may be contentious and have no other source but a primary source, it is better to remove it.
2. Use piped links for links to articles inside Misplaced Pages. Instead of use ] instead. Remove any underscores.
3. Do not place external links (except references) in the body of the article itself. All links to sites outside Misplaced Pages must be placed at the bottom of the page under the subsection ==External links==, even then, they should only be links to sites directly related to the subject and must comply with the policies on neutrality (i.e. promotional links must be used with care, else it will be considered spamming, which is strictly forbidden in Misplaced Pages). Any other links which are not directly related should be removed or be transformed into references when appropriate.
4. Use named references when using the same reference for more than one piece of information. This prevents a certain reference from being duplicated at the Reflist.
5. Always place punctuations before <ref> tags. Doesn't matter if it's a comma, a period, a colon, or a closing parenthesis. They must always be before the ref tags.
6. Avoid overusing direct quotes. They are not neutral.
7. Do not refer to her as 'Davina' unless that is her trade name or the name she is best known under. I have replaced all instances of 'Davina' with 'Reichman'.
8. Lastly and most importantly, you seem to be using several references incorrectly. To clarify, references are not links to homepages of the subject, they are links to articles and whatnot that talk about the specific information you are sourcing. For example, when talking about Reichman having worked for Akira Isogawa, you need to show a site that specifically states that she worked for Isogawa. i.e. tell the reader where you got the information so they may verify it. Simply linking Isogawa's homepage does not prove the information and is thus useless as a source. Please read Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and WP:42.

Cheers.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 03:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your helpful, insightful comments, Obsidian Soul. Who can help me on the Being Born Again Couture wiki page and deleting the banners? http://en.wikipedia.org/Being_Born_Again_Couture_Fashion_Show I have tired to contact Bonadea multiple amounts of times since the 13 August 2011, citing reasons why I am an expert in this topic and citing the reasons why my writing is correct, but they haven't responded yet. I posted the page to the arts wiki, but haven't got a response yet. Can you look through it and remove the banners please? Thank you. Domenico.y (talk) 04:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

Hello again. First, realize that being closely connected to (or being an expert on) the subject is actually not an advantage when it comes to Misplaced Pages. We call that relationship a Conflict of Interest (please read the page). While they may still write about the subject, they must be very very careful when it comes to how they word an article. Whether unconsciously or not, a person with a conflict of interest will have a bias, and the articles they write will usually not be neutral. As a precaution, please ensure that the wording of the article complies with our Neutral Point-of-View Policy. Any kind promotional wording is strictly forbidden in Misplaced Pages. It must not be used for advertising as it devalues the work of the thousands of volunteers who maintain the site for free. It's very easy to spot if it is and some editors are quite merciless in removing them if found.

The tags are also for internal maintenance. They can not be removed until the issues have been fixed. It helps if you try and fix it yourself then show the article to other editors (e.g. at the Misplaced Pages:Help Desk) for evaluation. Only they can remove the tags once they've ascertained that the issues have been dealt with. I'm a bit busy at the moment, so I'm afraid I can't do more than give advice, heh.

I also noticed that you have a lot of licensing warnings. It may help to read this page: Misplaced Pages:Donating copyrighted materials for ways to donate copyrighted material properly and stop them from being deleted. -- Obsidi♠n Soul 04:19, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Obsidian Soul! I will put those comments into action. Domenico.y (talk) 04:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

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September 2011

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Please do not refactor other user's talkpage comments as you did with this edit: ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for letting me know ConcernedVancouverite. Have a great day. Domenico.y (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

P.S. Do you know someone who is expert in fashion and art please? Thank you. Domenico.y (talk) 15:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

I see you have already posted in WikiProject Arts asking for help. That would be the best spot I know of it ask for help. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 16:04, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Adam Schuck, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Misplaced Pages:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 02:42, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Adam Schuck for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Adam Schuck is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Adam Schuck until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC) This is a message left for ConcernedVancouverite which they will not answer. I don't know why they can not answer on their talk page, as many moderators do.

Hi ConcernedVancouverite, In addressing concerns, which I will fix up the referencing after I have done this: “Adam Schuck was recruited by Google Australia soon after graduating from the University of New South Wales” http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/166548/google_recruitment_process_revealed/ I cannot find a reference which states he was the first engineer at the Sydney Office of Google, but I will try to source it. having co-created Mapplets in 2007. http://www.webdu.com.au/speaker/adam-schuck--sydney-australia- webDU is the premier Antipodean Web Technology Conference, taking place 14-15 April 2011 in Sydney, Australia. This is the ninth year the conference will be held. I found another citation: http://www.google.com/events/io/2010/speakers.html - If Google says Schuck “co-created Mapplets in 2007”, then Schuck created Mapletts. “Drove” is what Schuck’s Linkendin profile says. Schuck "compelled and manoeuvred the technology to what is became", it means, not "created" the technology. Schuck received the Google EMG award (2nd highest award given at Google) for work on Google Maps API. I will try find a “more” reliable source, but I have first hand seen the EMG award on his desk at Google Sydney and Lars Rusmessan, creator of Google Maps and software developer at Google can confirm that. Schuck is the ACM Programming Competition World Finalist and South Pacific Champion, 2003 and 2004. No, that citing is not original research at all. It is from the "ACM South Pacific" site - www.sppcontest.org. I found another reference stating the Schuck gave a presentation on GWT in 2008 and I will cite that - http://www.google.com/events/io/2009/sessions/GoogleWavePoweredByGWT.html Please read the previous discussion topics: I have posted the message to you on 24 September 2011 (UTC) at 01:33. In addition, DGG noted the deletion obsolete “DGG (talk | contribs) (3,494 bytes) (cofounded Google Wave is an assertion of importance. speedy declined)” at 06:15, 24 September 2011. Schuck is notable and worthy of wiki for co-founding Google Wave, co-founding Mappletts and co-founding Julpan which was acquired by Twitter. Thank you. Domenico.y (talk) 03:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

It's not sourcing that's the problem, it's notability, since those sources, according to ConcernedVancoverite, don't give more than passing mention of Schuck. (PS - Wiki is not an abbrevation for Misplaced Pages. Founding Google Wave does not alone make an article for him warranted.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

It is not my fault that Schuck keeps a low profile and if you had read the comments I had made, you will see that Schuck is noteable.ConcernedVancouverite should stick to politics, since that is what they claim to know most about and not be editing tech articles. I would like another opinion of this article. Jasper Deng also edits my wikipedia entries and flags them for deletion without assisting me.

I disagree with your comment - I don't consider him notable. You do not own any of the articles you make. I'm actually quite experienced in tech articles, so this is the area I work best in. But experience has nothing to do with who's correct and who's not on our discussions. My advice for you is to realize the implications of you having a conflict of interest, and using articles for creation instead of making any new articles directly.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:34, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

As noted in my two replies to you on my talk page, the best place to discuss content additions/changes to an article are on the article's talk page. Not on userspace talk pages. Putting your discussion there will allow other editors to benefit from your thoughts and avoid them having to click through to multiple userspace conversations which may be difficult to keep track of. I have responded to your concerns on the article's AFD discussion, where you are also participating. You may find it most fruitful to focus your energies there and avoid personal attacks while doing so as they do not help others focus on the content of your comments and instead may negatively dispose other's when reading your comments. Best of luck with your editing. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Davina Reichman

http://en.wikipedia.org/Davina_Reichman I would like another editor to please review this, rather than ConcernedVancouverite or Jasper Deng. It is very frustrating to find "this article is flagged for deletion" on my talk page, when these editors know nothing about fashion, art or tech. ConcernedVancouverite flags all my articles for deletion, even articles they know nothing about. Thank you. Domenico.y (talk) 03:32, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

If we are constantly asking that your articles be deleted, that should be a signal that you aren't doing something right.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:49, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Jasper is incorrect – deletion is a subjective process that requires consensus to reach a formal deletion decision. It is just as fair to say "perhaps you aren't nominating right" – there is no "right" argument, nor is Jasper's comment appropriate. What he should be saying is "if your articles are being constantly nominated, they do not appear to meet wiki standards and guidelines". In some cases this is not intentional on the behalf of the creator of articles, but due to a lack of or misunderstanding of the appropriate guidelines, such as notability, reliable sources, or what Wiki is not. Bear in mind, Domenico, you are within your right to !vote on articles for deletion, and request keep, stating your reasons – consensus is about quality not quantity – and even in cases where the deletes out-number keeps, there still may be strong reason to retain the article, due to a reasonable argument to do so. Domenico - read the pages linked earlier, including biography of living person and organisations. Editors do not need to "know about fashion" or any subject to nominate an article for deletion, it is referred to group discussion. Jasper, read don't bite the newbies – nominating new editor articles is one way some editors seek to quickly (and lazily) advance their position for RfA, personally I condemn such behaviour and believe you should always be helping inexperienced editors foremost, not tallying admin-style actions like some ranking WoW-player. Just a generic observation, however, so don't go citing NPA riff-raff; experienced editor !== good admin material. I'm not saying your nominations are wrong are right, but your attitude here is particularly condescending and unhelpful, and I'd hate to see you set loose with CSD. Ma®©usBritish  18:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you MarcusBritish. Well said. It is a pity that some domineering editors with power can chastise and push around ordinary contributors. I think it a necessary to have "complaint" box about these types of behavior perhaps? Could you look into Adam Schuck http://en.wikipedia.org/Adam_Schuck, and comment on it's deletion please? I have re-written Being Born Again Couture http://en.wikipedia.org/Being_Born_Again_Couture_Fashion_Show on http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Being_Born_Again_Couture_Fashion_Show and I am scared that Jasper Deng and ConcernedVancouverite have perhaps are "too biased" in the form that they have re-read comments and are "sick" if the article, as another editor noted. Perhaps Davina Reichman http://en.wikipedia.org/Davina_Reichman and comment? I would really like to get those articles correct before I move on. I really appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Domenico.y (talk) 18:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

If you feel you are being chastised for your contributions, there is WP:EAR and WP:ANI for more serious reports. Be careful not to use them lightly, if someone you are reporting is working within the Wiki guidelines your complaint can be quickly dismissed as petty and/or seeking revenge. Wiki is about communication and collaboration, and there are a lot of guidelines to absorb and remember. Some editors do do this to their advantage, and become powers unto themselves, yes. Remember, we are ALL volunteers, which makes us ALL equal - including admins - do not allow them to push you about, but do not resort to accusations and fighting. If in doubt, seek advice. Remember to assume good faith - many an admin is simply doing their job, patrolling and removing articles that violate wiki policy is a job too, just like a ticket warden. Consensus can be in your favour, IF you use it wisely. Don't rush headlong into conflicts and you'll come out unscathed. Ma®©usBritish  19:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

I've noticed that your edit pattern is becoming disruptive, which is not good. Please adhere to the following policies:

1. Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith - please do not assume that editors, especially experienced editors, nominate your articles for deletion "just for kicks". Assume that other editors are trying to help the encyclopedia in a good way. Do not try to discredit other editors on basis of their specialties on Misplaced Pages - Misplaced Pages is a collaborative community.
2. Misplaced Pages:Canvassing - do not ask uninvolved editors to come support your view. While this is OK on a small scale, please do not do it to an extremer extent.
3. Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest - your neutrality on Misplaced Pages is being distorted by your conflict of interest, and you have not been listening to other editors' concerns about it.
4. Misplaced Pages:Notability - please do not create articles that are about non-notable people or things.
5. Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages is a community - please discuss with other editors who do not agree with you. Please listen to what other editors have to offer to you, and put it to use.

I know you are relatively new to Misplaced Pages, and I hope you enjoy editing, but we have a few guidelines that you just happen to not be following. It would be very unfortunate if we had to block you from editing because of this.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:04, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Canvassing Warning

Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on others' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Misplaced Pages's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. This warning is based upon edits such as these and ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 19:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Mate, you are clearly being unhelpful and borderline bullying, now. Since when does "I would really like to get those articles correct before I move on" constitute canvassing? If you can't maintain a NPOV, do not advocate your own POV. WP:AGF – read it, might do you some good. And do it before I report you for harassing newbies. Fair play, or don't play: hit and run tagging is sloppy adminship. Ma®©usBritish  19:21, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

First off, I am not a "mate." So I would appreciate not being referred to as such. When he makes edits like these on my talk page after repeatedly being asked to take it to the article's talk page in question: . I am not an admin, and not claiming to be one. Just like I am not a "mate." ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 21:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I posted in the wrong place, admitted to it and posted to the right place here *before* you posted this up: http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Ged_UK#Posted_in_the_wrong_spot.2C_sorry. Domenico.y (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Domenico.y

And the canvassing continues....Domenico, it is not an issue of when you posted it (although it was after I had removed it from my talk page), it is the fact that you did post it. It is not appropriate to attempt to draw in every non-related editor I interact with about other articles into commenting on your question (particularly if you think they would share your view). ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't care if you're a mate or Popeye the Sailorman, you're clearly lacking means to be amicable and your behaviour is unwarranted. It is obvious to anyone that Domenico's first language may not be English and that he is having difficulty explaining himself. Something you are persistently taking advantage of in very bad faith to the point of wiki-lawyering. You are making an exhibition of his contribs and forcing the issue, rather than being patient and explaining things in detail. You are acting disgracefully. So here's a warning to you - once more and I will involve an admin without haste. Your posts here are disruptive, whilst Domenico is looking for someone to advise him on correcting any problems with his articles to avoid deletion, you are tainting his good faith with pure and unnecessary bull shit. Canvassing is used to swing votes and consensus, not seek aid. Don't manipulate the guidelines. I will not sit back and watch you persist in further attacks. Capiche? Ma®©usBritish  22:34, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Marcus - From my perspective it is not so obvious that Domenico's first language is not English - in fact it appears that his first language may be Australian English. I am not clear where you would draw the ESL conclusion from. But that is irrelevant in any case, as it is clear to me that Domenico has edited in what appears to be a conflicted manner that appears to promote certain individuals beyond appropriate Misplaced Pages article contributions. It is also clear to me that when I have tagged such articles, as is normal behaviour while doing quality control work on Misplaced Pages, that I have been attacked for doing so. It is also clear to me that when I have repeatedly suggested in response to postings on my talk page that it would be more appropriate to post on the article talk pages so that all interested editors can benefit from the comments that I have been ignored. It is also clear to me that Domenico has solicited numerous additional editors to a !vote on an AfD when it appears to him that they will share his views - even editors that have had nothing to do with the article in question. If you feel the need to draw in admins to look at the issue, by all means go ahead. I encourage you to do so if you feel the need to. I have no direct interest in the articles in question, other than general quality control interests in keeping Misplaced Pages free of content that does not measure up to Misplaced Pages's notability standards, and I have been acting in good faith in my quality control efforts while attempting to remain civil in the fact of true hostility. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 23:22, 25 September 2011 (UTC)