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Change The Picture!

Can someone please chnage the picture! That one is getting sooooooooooo old :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShawtyHellaDumb (talk • contribs) 18:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

✗ Not done Sorry no, this is the highest quality free picture that we have available of her, so this is what will be used. So it will not be changed. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 19:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

How about this one: http://www.keshasparty.com/sites/kesha6/files/imagecache/preview/camiseta-kesha-pixies.jpg It's from her official site. If someone just sends the webmaster an email requesting permission stating its for her wiki-page, and I'm sure they won't reject (will they?). The picture in the link suits her so much more then the picture presently used (which seems odd coloured as well). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyggalag (talk • contribs) 17:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

If you can get her label/people to release the picture that would be great! 155.69.2.13 (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Possible 3rd Album Songs

I don't understand why songs like "Shots On The Hood Of My Car" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sgzxhruDW8 and "31 Seconds Alone" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akfic0oJM6w are not included in the article. Even if they are not included in the album, I do think they should be mentioned as possible new material? Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm just trying to expand the article. --Jakeriederer (talk) 03:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Cause both are leaked left over songs from her first album and first ep, not from her second album. Per WP:RS + WP:COPYRIGHT youtube cannot be used as a source. WP:LEAK, songs leak daily its not something to be included. Hope that clears everything up. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes it clears everything up.--Jakeriederer (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Kesha → Ke$ha – I'm aware that this has been discussed many times, with the article title remaining the same per MOS:TM, which advises against "special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words" (the dollar sign standing in for the letter s). And I was one of the first people arguing that it should be Kesha over Ke$ha back in 2009, but I've had a change of heart.

MOS:TM applies to trademarks, which I don't believe stage names/band names are, but that's a different discussion entirely. If you believe that the name "Ke$ha" falls under that guideline, we can just IAR it per the common practice that we use a subject's most common name (compare 47.5 million ghits for "Kesha" — which, may I note, does include some results not related to the singer — to 70.1 million for "Ke$ha"; most of these results are going to pertain to the singer). Even MOS:TM says at the top of the page, "Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions." –Chase (talk / contribs) 20:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to add that this request may also affect the following articles:

• Kesha discography
• Animal (Kesha album)
• Sleazy (Kesha song)

–Chase (talk / contribs) 20:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - We do not pronounce her name Ke-dollarsigh-ha its Kesha, her legal name is Kesha Rose Sebert. $ is purely decorative. Its the same as P!nk which is Pink (singer), Lady Gaga as opposed to GaGa. So if we change this were going to change every Kesha to Ke$ha if every article? Absolutely not that is in direct violation of an WP:FL MOS rule (Kesha discography). I oppose this. $ is not a "trademark" you cannot legally own an $ or no one else in the world would be able to use it. Does Pink own "!"? does 3OH!3 own "!"? no. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 21:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• The difference between this and Pink and Lady Gaga is that most reliable sources use Pink as opposed to P!nk, and Gaga as opposed to GaGa (Lady Gaga isn't even a special-character issue like this one, it's capitalization). Most reliable sources use Ke$ha and not Kesha. And as I said (and as you just said), I don't believe "Ke$ha" is a trademark which is why MOS:TM would not apply here, thus there would not be an MOS violation. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:10, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• "Kesha Rose Sebert (born March 1, 1987), better known mononymously as Kesha (pronunciation: /ˈkɛʃə/ kesh-ə, stylized Ke$ha)" completely suffices, this is an encyclopedia, not a decoration farm. Further, who knows if she will keep the $ forever? Could easily drop it if she so chooses. Besides this she is legally credited on her work as either Kesha or Kesha Rose Sebert. Kesha and Kesha Rose Sebert in all album booklets where all legal, trademark copyright credits are found. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 21:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And one of our policies on this encyclopedia is to use the name that is most well-known and most popular in third-party sources which is not "Kesha" in this case. Very few reliable publications refer to her as Kesha without the dollar sign unless they are noting her birth name. She could drop the dollar sign later, yes, but we can also change the article title later if that happens. Moving the page does not set this in stone forever. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And if you read further in that "When there are several names for a subject, all of them fairly common, and the most common has problems, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one of the others". Kesha not Ke- dollarsign- ha, are you really going to get confused when googling "Kesha" as opposed to "Ke$ha"? No. My original argument still stands, the $ is purely decorative and is not encyclopedic so my oppose to this still stands. Now let others weigh in now please. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 21:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not asking you to change your stance, I'm just responding to your points. I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to silence me. Regardless of how the name is pronounced, Ke$ha is still more prevalent in third-party sources and is the most common name, and MOS:TM's guidelines about not using decorative characters are guidelines, not policies, meaning that there can often be exceptions. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And "Kesha" is not as common as "Ke$ha" when referring to the singer, as you implied in your last comment. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• And i believe readers have enough common sense to figure out Kesha is Ke$ha without having to use pure decoration. Considering that different languages have different symbols for the money-sign, where here its being pronounced as "S" in English, this is confusing to readers as they may not know to do this. I agree with your original point that we sure IAR and use common sense, and the most logical thing to do here would be to use Kesha in my opinion - which was my original point. Just my view, I wont comment further. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 22:28, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• Support. She is "Ke$ha" to the New York Times, to the Washington Post and to Billboard. Amazon calls her "Ke$ha", and selling music is what she's all about. Kauffner (talk) 03:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose; this is not a rabbit hole we should be going down. Today it's an artist with a dollar sign in her name, tomorrow it's one with a middot, and next year it's one with a character from the Klingon alphabet. Powers 00:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Unpronounceable vanity stylisation. --Ohconfucius 15:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

• It's not unpronounceable, it's pronounced the same as "Kesha". Perhaps vanity stylization, yes, but it's recognized by most reliable sources. –Chase (talk / contribs) 01:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose One of the guidelines for naming articles in Misplaced Pages, is for people to have the ability to find them as quickly as possible. So on that note, wouldn't people be more likely to type in "kesha" over "ke$ha"? Its kinda the same thing for Beyonce, where you would search using "beyonce" over "beyoncé" but unlike Kesha, the "é" is actually appart of her real name. Finally, the only reason many websites display her name using the Doller sign is cause they have caught onto the fact that she displays it that way. AnimatedZebra (talk) 14:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Alice Cooper

Should something be added about her doing work with Alice Cooper on one of his albums? 75.42.239.88 (talk) 01:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I think so, but sometimes some editors would be against it because of 'lack of significance' etc. 155.69.2.13 (talk) 08:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it should be mentioned, as it is the only worthwhile part of her "career". The fact that working with Alice Cooper is what inspired her to make a 'cock rock' album, as she states in the magazine that accompanied the limited editon of Alice's album, should also be mentioned. 86.174.165.138 (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Caption in "2009-2011: Animal and Cannibal"

"Kesha performing live on tour in 2010. Her aesthetic on stage was deliberatley unsophisticated."

'Deliberately' is misspelled.

Also, "Her aesthetic on stage was deliberately unsophisticated." seems vague, and is not neutrally toned; actually, it seems to be a bit defensive. Perhaps it should reference specific 'aesthetics' mentioned in the article, or be removed altogether? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.174.167 (talk) 22:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be a paraphrase of a similar sentence in in the paragraph beside it? Fixer23 (talk) 23:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Discography section

Who made the executive decision that the discography section is only for studio albums? I think that Cannibal is just as important as Animal in terms of Kesha's discography. It's not like it was a 3-track EP with a couple of B-sides or an exclusive release that was sold in a few stores. It spawned two singles and was supported by its own tour. Just because it has fewer songs and is labeled as an "EP" doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed. –Dream out loud (talk) 20:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Its a MOS thing. From editing mostly music articles I think its just a standard --Guerillero | My Talk 20:23, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I edit mostly music articles too and EPs usually aren't included because they aren't significant enough to an artist's discography the same way that full albums are. But this EP is pretty significant in the sense that it spawned two singles (one of which topped several charts) and launched the artist's first headlining tour. I think it is just as important as her first album and should be included. The fact that is includes a few less songs and is labeled "EP" shouldn't call for an exclusion. –Dream out loud (talk) 07:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Add it if you think it would make the article better --Guerillero | My Talk 17:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. Just wanted to avoid a potential edit war, that's all. –Dream out loud (talk) 20:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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