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Your editing history?

I am surprised at how much you think you know about policy for a "new user." Were you a long time AnonIP who took a new name? Hopefully you aren't a banned user now using a sockpuppet, something very common in the Israel-Palestine editing area. Thanks for info. CarolMooreDC (talk) 03:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't clam to know Misplaced Pages rules inside and out. I do, however, know how to read, and that is enough for even a newbie to see that there was a considerable difference between what the rules actually say and what you implied they said, a wide enough distance to justify a comment. Goodwinsands (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I might as well add this. When I told some friends that I was thinking of editing Misplaced Pages instead of just getting frustrated at its inaccuracy, one of the first things they warned me about was "ownership issues" on certain entries, with editors who ceaselessly patrol their turf with intent to repel all comers, using what ever Nixonian dirty tricks necessary to guarantee the article continued to say that day was night and cold was hot, no matter how wrong. And their advice was simple: in such cases, simply walk away from an article like that. This is advice I am weighing. Goodwinsands (talk) 04:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Counterpunch

Thanks for taking a sane editing perspective at the Counterpunch article, where even my attempts to comment on the talkpage are now being redacted for soapboxing, while denial of Holocaust denial is left standing... BobFromBrockley (talk) 16:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Bob. It's very frustrating seeing people fall for the dodge "Just because I don't think Hitler ordered it, or Nazis used gas chambers, or they built extermination camps, or that six million Jews were killed, that doesn't make me a Holocaust denier. There once was a guy named Meyer killed by a guy named Hans, so *that* was the Holocaust, and I don't deny that so don't call me a Holocaust denier."

If you look through the archives of the Israel Shamir talk page, you'll see that there's one editor who repeatedly just blanked any reference to Holocaust denial in Israel Shamir's entry. Then the reliable sources started stacking up, and a quick poll showed he was outvoted something like seven to one. But now the same battle is being fought again from the "Holocaust denial? What Holocaust denial?" folks: "If he doesn't come right out and say that there was no Holocaust, you can't call him one no matter what all the reliable sources say." Goodwinsands (talk) 17:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

BLPN Israel Shamir

Hi, disputed cat is under discussion at the BLP noticeboard - please do not replace it without consensus there. Are you aware the article is under editing restrictions - please see the template at the top of the talkpage thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 16:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Rather, there was no consensus to remove it, so I replaced it. If you look into the archives of the discussion page, you'll recognize that there was a strong consensus to classify Shamir as a Holocaust denier, and you were apparently the lone dissenter. Goodwinsands (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Bogus edit-warring notice issued tactically by a POV-warrior and slapped down on sight by administrators

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.

Please revert you revert of my edits and discuss on talk page. I also may have to bring to BLP if other non-biased editors do not get involved. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I changed this to a 1RR report for reasons stated here Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#Gilad_Atzmon:_violation_of_1RR. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

And how is that working for you, Carolmooredc? Goodwinsands (talk) 01:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The 3rr board doesn't realize the WP:ARBPIA template says we can go there. And there is a debate under 3rr policy whether changes to old material is a revert. So since these things are under debate, I'm going to drop further action. But the policy does need clarification. CarolMooreDC (talk) 13:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

In other words, your conveniently broad definition of what constitutes 1RR, invoked from thin air to protect a Holocaust denier, fell flat the moment you used it. Once again, Carolmooredc, I strongly recommend you review WP:OWN, because you are setting up (or rather continuing) a very documentable pattern in regards to this article. Goodwinsands (talk) 15:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

a) Not necessarily bogus; b)referred to another board where I chose not to take it; c) because of different interpretations of 3rr; c) changing the title of a warning like this to mock the person giving it to you is just not done. CarolMooreDC (talk) 19:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Just leaving this up as convenient evidence of how you operate. Goodwinsands (talk) 01:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

multiple accounts

Your editing history leads me to suspect you have more than this one account or that this was not your first or primary account and the revert today by User:RolandR in an apparent tagteam revert leads me to suspect a connection between the accounts so I have added a suspected sockpuppet template. Would you please consider clarifying your alternative and previous account? Off2riorob (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)