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I like to keep discussions together, so a third party can review or join in without flipping between pages to figure out what was said. If I post to a talk page (yours or an article's), it will be on my watch list for weeks at a minimum. I check my watch list fairly frequently, so talkback is not necessary, but cannot hurt if me feedback is required. (In other words, please don't use a talkback flag if all you said was, "Thanks.") If the thread is cold, it may be needed and consider starting a new subsection. I'm flexible, so I am happy to do thing your way. If you are a new user and read this far, you're doing great—the details will come with time if you pay attention. To generate a talkback, type the following on the bottom line the next section: "{{tb|Your username}}".

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Aspartame page

A complaint has been filed at AN/I located here. Since only two editors were notified, I'm placing a notice on the pages of all editors who have commented at Talk:Aspartame controversy in recent history. -- Brangifer (talk) 22:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I've witnessed over an extended period your unfailing defense of the beleaguered Aspartame page. Your unfailing restoration of the conclusions of actual research is worthy of the Skeptical Enquirer. Don't give up the ship! Ornithikos (talk) 05:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Misplaced Pages, like science, should be skeptical—WP:V—but Misplaced Pages should be more than defense; I'm currently on on a push to increase content.Novangelis (talk) 12:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Truth in Articles

I don't know if you would call this a new subject or not but I cannot find any answers elsewhere so maybe you can help. In the Article "Miracle Mineral Supplement" my name is use several times. It is beyond me how Misplaced Pages can use my name and not allow me to answer. The author of the Article seems to follow the guidelines about posting references that prove his data. Except none of the 17 references offer any data that proves his contentions. So I am trying to point this out, and then the Article is blocked from editing. This seems totally unfair. I cannot find any answers to this condition so far. Here is man who is critical to the extreme of making outright lies, then references the various lies with data that does not apply to the lie, and everyone believes him because he is showing references. (I couldn't get two of the references.) Then somehow the article is blocked so that it can't be edited. So I don't care in the slightest if I advertise this thing or not. I just don't want sick people to become discouraged by some extremely biased critic. I just don't want people to suffer and die because Misplaced Pages is telling people the wrong data. And so if this paragraph is supposed to be a discussion on improving the written article, then to add some truth to the article should in fact improve it. DataBishop (talk) 06:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

If you are selling a bleach as a phony drug, as reported by reputable news outlets, reliable sources, Misplaced Pages will include it. Medical claims are held to a higher standard. No one gets to answer Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages is compiled from reputable sources, the type that tend not to dedicate much space to the claims of people who profess wanting to alleviate suffering, then trick vulnerable people into swallowing corrosive chemicals with no appropriately demonstrated efficacy.Novangelis (talk) 07:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't you see? Have you read the reference that you listed (1). There is no scientific evidence. No tests listed. No other evidence. Nothing. Just a school boy's opinion and the opinion of the people writing. Because some governmental agency says something, but lists on evidence, no tests, nothing. Do you call that somesort of evidence? Did you read the reference lised? DataBishop (talk) 17:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

All the reliable sources indicate that it is a phony drug. No reliable sources show any benefit. Numerous reliable sources show great potential for harm or actual harm. This is merely a reliable source using the phrase.Novangelis (talk) 17:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

References

1. British schoolboy exposes phony drug through Twitter

obit links

I am extremely grateful for your checking. DGG ( talk ) 20:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Re MMS talk page, and my response to 'Jim Humble'

"Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors... It doesn't matter how many people an editor might have harmed." It may not matter to you. It matters to me. I consider the outside world more significant than Misplaced Pages protocol. If you think otherwise, I'd suggest you maybe need to reconsider your priorities. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Neovandalism

Hi, Novoangelis. I need your help and support. The new page neovandalism is tagged for speedy deletion under G3. It is not a hoax or vandalism, nor should it be categorized as G3. It is a serious and relevant topic. Kindly help allow several weeks of civil discussion. Many thanks. --To_Expand_Tolerance_ 19:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burntout123 (talk • contribs)

Proposed Image Deletion

A deletion discussion has just been created at Category talk:Unclassified Chemical Structures, which may involve one or more orphaned chemical structures, that has you user name in the upload history. Please feel free to add your comments.  Ronhjones  23:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

You're invited to the New York Wiknic!

This message is being sent to inform you of a Misplaced Pages picnic that is being held in your area next Saturday, June 25. From 1 to 8 PM or any time in between, join your fellow volunteers for a get together at Norman's Landscape (directions) in Manhattan's Central Park.

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Sockpuppeteer Ratel,TickleMeister,Ozoke,etc. was unblocked

I have been affected by this sockpuppeteer. As it seems also you have been affected by this sockpuppeteer, then I must inform you. The account Jabbsworth is the 6 sockpuppet used by the known sockpuppeteer Ratel to evade his block and to edit disruptively and warring. Then I do not understand how Jabbsworth was recently unblocked by David Fuchs, precisely just few day after Jabbsworth was blocked by Elockid due the same reason: sockpuppetry to evade a block and edit disruptively and warring. -- ClaudioSantos¿? 00:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The above comment probably falls within the prohibitions of wp:CANVASSING, is therefore disruptive because it seeks to overturn an Arbcom decision, and the recipient would be wise to ignore it, or report it. Jabbsworth (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

It is not canvassing to inform the affected people. For a change you just came to an user to offer a help to topic ban me. Will you do the same with the other editors as well?-- ClaudioSantos¿? 01:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Disruptive Edits

How do we report vandalism by Cincybluffa?

(Undid revision 452797459 by Cincybluffa (talk) per WP:EL) This person hit a lot of the pages on my watchlist. I noticed you reverted the edits (thank you) but how do we keep this person from continuing this practice? I know I can see what he/she is editing and then go in and revert each one, but that seems time consuming. What process do we have? Or does someone just contact Cincybluffa? Sgerbic (talk) 17:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

One other user and I placed warnings on the editor's talk page. If the warnings are heeded (and no additional edits have been made since the warning), that is it. If the link placement continues, then additional action would be warranted, proportional to the behavior. Guided by the principle of assuming good faith, a few attempts to place links in articles that appear to be thought out should be met with policy explanations, probably for which there will be a warning template that may not even require additional text. Persistent or excessive link spamming would warrant a report. Guidelines can be found here.Novangelis (talk) 17:43, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:The Musical in NYC Oct 22

You are invited to Misplaced Pages:The Musical in NYC, an editathon, Misplaced Pages meet-up and lectures that will be held on Saturday, October 22, 2011, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and here!--Pharos (talk) 04:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Amniocentesis

Hi Novangelis--consider filing a COI and spam complaint against the editor who keeps trying to sell his medical test in this and other articles. Good luck, 207.157.121.92 (talk) 17:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Done: Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Amniocentesis, Down syndrome, and Prenatal diagnosis.Novangelis (talk) 17:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

aspartame / politeness

I apologize for the last couple sentences of my aspartame post, and have removed them, however, if you've not also reprimanded the user I responded to, I suggest you're being unfair. No, being rude/etc does not justify being rude back, however, being offended when attacked is the lesser sin. Most people when punched don't run away; you get offended, you argue back. Again, it was inappropriate, however, if it's policy to remove attack behavior, then someone should have removed the insult to begin with. What I said ("You're out of touch with reality") is precisely what was said to me in effect. It was said rudely, and condescendingly. Also, the post was mostly productive--or at least relevant--discussion to the article. If you still think it's inappropriate, please tell me more specifically how you think it's rude to the user and/or irrelevant. I'll take any further evaluation carefully into account, but I really think your reprimand was a bit unfair. I'm not trying to bicker; I'm hoping to suggest modification when dealing with similar situations. At least be kind and sympathize (e.g. "I'm sorry this person was rude to you; but it was not appropriate to retaliate"); this will be more productive for someone you're giving advice to. Squish7 (talk) 09:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

What better place could there possibly be to seek help about the way I communicate with people than to do so in the string that's a problem? If you want to say that the aspartame string wasn't an appropriate place to seek help about the way I interact with people, that's fine. But you're acting like I'm violating some basic obvious rule. If you don't like me arguing with people or behaving inappropriately, then the best thing to do to help me not do that would be to try to answer the questions I was asking about the means in which I communicate with people. Once again for the fiftieth time, someone (you) didn't even bother to read what I wrote. It's absolutely hypocritical to criticize my behavior and not answer my questions when I'm trying very hard to communicate properly and fairly. In fact you act like I wasn't even asking for advice. My last post was on the way I communicate with people. Please reread carefully and tell me how you possibly got what you did out of it. Again, if there's a better place to inquire about communication help (where I'd have to link/refer to the discussion string in question for someone to read and give advice on), please tell me, but there's no way I could know from basic policy. You think I'm being inappropriate; how appropriate is it to waste people's time not even reading a word they say? I'm sorry if I'm angry, though please explain how I could remain calm under these insane circumstances.

I post "I agree opinions are not sources"; someone says "opinions are not sources". I say "I never said they were"; someone says "opinions are not sources". I put forth "Can someone offer advice on how I can communicate with people, using this string as an example?"; you say "stop discussing the topic". I've now had three people speak down to me for totally non sequitur reasons that didn't have anything to do with anything and who didn't even read a word I say. You people are being the rude and unfair ones, breaking etiquette, responding condescendingly. This is just plain surreal. (Feel free to reply to this French recipe for cranberry pancakes, because it absolutely had nothing to do with anything I just said.) Squish7 (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I just read your last comment on the aspartame page and I want to make one very genuine suggestion. You should consider empathize or sympathizing with people who are not just blatantly violating rules for the fun of it. Obviously I'm doing my best to behave properly and learn. Any humane handling of such a situation would take the vague form of "I understand your feelings; but.." or "This user was being inappropriate to you, but here's the way to properly...". To speak down to someone ("Stop doing this.") is just rude. It's unproductive. Why not sympathize with someone's situation? Try acting they're a human being. I honestly tried hard to make this a polite constructive criticism but I'm finding it impossible because your treatment of me is so absurd. Sometimes it's like you people don't even have souls. Squish7 (talk) 19:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Wrong article?

In your warning to Squish7 here, I think you made a small mistake: you refer to Talk:Aspartame, but the user has not edited that page. Checking contribs, I'm sure you meant Talk:Aspartame controversy - perhaps you can fix the warning? Cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. As the editor in question responded, it is clear that my message reached the target, but I will correct it for the benefit of other editors.Novangelis (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Cheers, yes; I was just one of those 'other readers', passing :-) I didn't actually notice the apparently amicable apology/response above, until after I'd written. Anyway...no big deal whatsoever, just thought I'd mention it in passing :-)  Chzz  ►  18:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Jabbsworth SPI

At quotes you <g>. I believe the coloquy there sets a record for his attitudes. Cheers. Collect (talk) 22:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)