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Battle of Radzymin (1920)

Thanks for your help with Battle of Radzymin (1920). Keep up the good work :) //Halibutt 19:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem, it's an interesting battle in a period of history I don't know much about. I see you've nominated it for GA already; that's fine, as I will be finished with the copy-editing fairly soon. I've also watchlisted its simultaneous Milhist review - you seem to have things a bit out of order here :-) - so I'll make the suggested copy-editing changes from there as well, unless they've been done already. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 08:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your last batch of CE, I'm not challenging your choice of Polish-Soviet over Polish-Bolshevist, but the latter was there for a purpose. The problem with the term "Polish-Soviet War" is that there was no Soviet Union back then and the war was between Poland and a state called Bolshevist Russia (or more properly Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic). This is a detail and the article on the entire war is where it is so I have no problem with either version, just wanted to explain why it was there.

Also, to quote Piotrus' talk page notice, "You have new messages was designed for a purpose: letting people know you have replied to them. I do not watch your talk page and I will likely IGNORE your reply if it is not copied to my page, as I will not be aware that you replied! Thank you.". It was not until now I realised you replied to my earlier comment. I would've replied if you used the proper channels :) //Halibutt 12:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note about the Soviet/Bolshevik thing. I think it makes it simpler for the reader, and isn't strictly speaking wrong, but I'm going to think about it a bit more as I finalise the copyedit.

Quotes from Piotrus' talk page are only reliable sources for what Piotrus says about himself :P Like most of Misplaced Pages, I don't like duplicated discussions, but do like to keep discussions together. The tropical cyclones guys are the other group that don't seem to share that view. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yup, both versions are in the "kind of right, kind of wrong" category and none is technically better or more correct and both have flaws. That's why there is so many names for that war in many languages. I prefer PBW, some prefer Polish-Soviet or even Polish-Russian (which is probably the most accurate, but necessitates disambiguation, in the form of, say, ], but then again which date to chose? 1918? 1919? did the war last until 1920, when hostilities ended or until 1921, when the peace was signed?). Anyway, keep up the good work and good luck with the last CE cyclone. I mean cycle. //Halibutt 19:38, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Re this edit, the 81st Brigade was Russian, not Polish. The Russians pushed the Poles back with their (Russian) 81st Brigade spearheading the counter-assault against the Poles and reaching Słupno. //Halibutt 02:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

In all the vast plans of Eastern Europe, these two identically-numbered brigades have to squabble over this one little town? Thanks for fixing this, it's great that you're keeping a close eye on the changes. I've tweaked it slightly more.

With this, I have now completed (finally) the copyedit of this article; it should be in good shape, with regard to prose, for GA. The exceptions are the queries from me on the article's talk page; I'll tweak those issues after feedback there. Normally I will assist with any prose issues or questions that the GA reviewer has, as well, although at present my schedule is uncertain so it depends on when exactly the GA review happens. If at some later time you should take the article to FAC, then you should request a separate copyedit specifically for that, as FA will require a considerable amount more work on the prose.

Incidentally, you might be able to help me with something, but I'll drop you an email about that later. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Sure, just notify me here that I should look for an email from you. //Halibutt 06:00, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thankyou. Mugginsx (talk) 19:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. It looks like that little disagreement has now been archived (maybe I just bored everyone to death), which is probably just as well. I do have a great deal of respect for some of the people involved; I think the whole issue of "civility" is just so controversial (and so important) that occasionally people see something that they believe needs to be stamped on in order to show a strong approach to the issue, without perhaps realising how such an extreme reaction may be viewed, or that they may be unwittingly enforcing yet another "double standard". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 08:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! Kraŭs (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Royal Hospital School dispute

Really sorry to do this to you Demiurge, but are you able to offer an opinion on the latest discussion on the Royal Hospital School dispute at the dispute resolution noticeboard? Many thanks. RHSAMember (talk) 19:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. I'll see you at the article's talk page as necessary. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Help Updated Modern Warfare 3 Writer

Hi,

I have been trying to update the semi-protected CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARAFARE 3 page to have Will Staples added as a writer along with Paul Haggis in the right hand column. In the actual credits of the game when you finish, it says "Written By Paul Haggis and Will Staples". In support of this edit, I have sent a video of the end of the game featuring the credits (http://www.youtube.com/user/RydarGames#p/c/14/fttHQ5PBl84 at the 13:43 mark), a link to IMDB where Paul and Will are both listed (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1937113/fullcredits#writers), and recently a link to an interview with the military advisor for the game talking about working with Will Staples (http://www.commandposts.com/2011/11/dalton-fury-on-call-of-duty-and-black-site/). However, this still hasn't been updated and my request to update the page was rejected twice because the sources were not reliable.

At this point, I am getting frustrated with the Misplaced Pages process and I don't know what to possibly do besides send someone a physical copy of the game to play to convince them that the page is incorrect and that Will Staples and Paul Haggis are the credited writers on the game.

If there is any way you can assist in this matter or have the page updated, I would greatly appreciate it. It won't take more than a couple clicks to verify the veracity of my request.

Thanks! CoDFan13 (talk) 20:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. If you have time, maybe you could go and enquire at the source's forum, as to exactly which edition of the printed magazine the interview appeared in, and preferably page number as well. I'd be much happier being able to give that as a source. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi there in the Good Article review for 6th Airborne Division advance to the River Seine, the reviewer is not happy with the prose. If you free would you mind looking it over for me ? Thanks Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I should've copyedited all of these articles myself maybe :-) Looking now. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

As you probably noticed it has passed GA. Many thanks. Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

That's great, another piece of the masterplan falls into place! By the way, one of your airborne forces articles may be useful for an exercise I have in mind for one of my mentees; I'll drop you a line about it separately, once I find time to get the details sorted out. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Questlove, Women and Misplaced Pages

Mr. Demiurge, It has been my understanding that wikipedia needs input from women. I am a woman. I tried to post about Questlove's use of "Lyin' Ass Bitch" to introduce a woman (M. Bachmann) on the Fallon show. You deleted it saying it was just my opinion. No wonder women are afraid to post on wikipedia. You must be an Obama supporter, I was Hillary supporter and I am a Democrat. But I think no woman should be treated and tweeted about in the snarky manner that Questlove did. He actually sent out a message to many people before he did this via Twitter. If we keep allowing men like Questlove to do things like he did and then to have you, Mr. wikipedia who won't even allow this truth to be told--well of course women will be discouraged.

--Grace T.

Hi Mrs T., it's great to hear from you - I've long been an admirer of your husband's acting talents. I'm sorry to say, you make a few incorrect assumptions - I live in the United Kingdom and I don't hold views on the merits of foreign politicians, so there's no sense in which I can describe myself as an "Obama supporter". There's no problem with Misplaced Pages reporting the facts (both the choice of song and the sending of the twitter message are now in the article), but we do not use loaded terms like "gloated" in Misplaced Pages's voice. That in itself, on an article falling under the WP:BLP policy, was enough for me to revert your change; in addition, your changes were so badly formatted as to be almost unreadable. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Roman Religion

Hi Demiurge. Thanks for your note on my talk page. Looking at the comments you linked to, yes, I'd agree there was a combination of articulateness and tendentiousness that looked familiar... On the other hand, looking at the list of user contribs for Aldrasto, it is quite substantial, and begins 18 months ago back in May 2010, and they don't seem to be in the same pages as the other articulate tendentious person you may have in mind. This is probably why I don't recall hearing of Aldrasto before... Two unconnected WP contributors may have somewhat similar personalities and somewhat similar areas of interest... Kalidasa 777 (talk) 01:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Indulge me my conspiracy theories! :) Apart from the more general aspects that you mention, I was particularly struck by the focus on claims that a specific article had suffered something described by a metaphor related to butchery. Just a coincidence? I suppose so, especially since the writing style otherwise has some significant differences. But I'm glad to have obtained a second opinion - and I'll be watchlisting a few things anyway. Thanks again. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard upgrade

Hi Demiurge1000,

Thanks for signing up for the Feedback Dashboard response team! I wanted to let you know that the tool just got an important update (see here for details). I also wanted to invite you to the IRC office hours session that Steven and I are going to hold this Sunday, December 4. Hope you can make it and share your experience/questions with us! Thanks again, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:40, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Maryana, I'll hopefully be there! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Derek Goldby

Hi Demiurge1000, it looks like Derek Goldby it at it again, in the sense that his entry seems to have had a set of credits added to it that don't really merit the article, and which have all been contributed by user 83.205.82.245 who hasn't made any other contributions so I presume is Goldby himself. It messes up the article, but I want to hold off reverting/cleaning given the article's history of edit warring. Any thoughts? Ta!Martin Gray89 (talk) 11:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the restrained approach to reverting the edits. There's nothing to prove that it's Goldby himself, as opposed to a friend or fan of whose activities he might be unaware, but I've removed the additions as being completely unsourced (and also malformatted). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

GOCE November barnstar

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Demiurge1000 for copy editing articles totalling over 4,000 words in the Guild of Copy Editors' November 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thank you for participating! Dianna (talk) 19:16, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Dianna! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Sloan

How can I add a source that this guy is a nobody taxi driver in New York City? He is an unnotable nut, nothing more. Here is some more evidence for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAON2vgw1kc&feature=related

JunoBeach (talk) 23:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

That link doesn't prove anything other than that some guy gave a talk at a meeting of Libertarians.

If you want to make statements on Misplaced Pages that someone is a "nut", a "nobody taxi driver", or anything else of that nature, then you will need to find a reliable independent source (for example, a newspaper) that says so. If you continue making derogatory statements about a living person without providing such sources, then you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Demiurge, it is not possible to find sources for "unnotable" people. This guy lives in the slums of New York City and drives a taxi cab for a living, that is it. It is against the rules to start/write a bio page about yourself, which this person has done. I am going to post a deletion +tag and let the consensus decide. JunoBeach (talk) 13:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker)Having carried out my own informal "investigation" on the Samuel Sloan (chess player) article it is quite clear that there are sufficient secondary sources that are independent of their subject which could be considered reliable in order to establish notability. One particular part of the notability policy on people that applies here is that people should be ""significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded"", notability doesn't require fame, only sufficient verifiability. Furthermore there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim that Sloan himself created the article, it is possible that he contributed (based on the name of one of the early contributors) however these contributions were early on, before the article was expanded significantly by other people without a conflict of interest. Finally your statements are absolutely unacceptable under the guidelines on living people which exist to prevent unsupported/ unsupportable/ poorly supported negative statements being made about living people on Misplaced Pages. This applies everywhere on Misplaced Pages.--Mrmatiko (talk) 16:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Another TPS. I watch the Sloan article, and concur that Sloan is clearly notable. He is notable as a chess player, and notable for a number of lawsuits he has filed and otherwise been involved with. Some of the info in the article may be excessive, but that can be solved by regular editing. I also have to point out that in the past, Sloan did edit this article, and an account under the name of his wife (whom we strongly suspected to be Sloan) also edited the article. User: Sam Sloan was blocked back in 2008 for NLT. In addition, there have been associated problems with Sloan working on articles on people he has sued; this has caused significant enmity to the point where they have used wiki as a battleground for their real life problems. Thus, any new user showing up wishing to delete or modify either article

Finally, JunoBeach, as Demiurge said, if you again make negative unsourced statements about a living person with terms like you are using, you will be blocked for violating WP:BLP. Feel free to work on the article, but don't vent hatred here, and also source everything you add to the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:47, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Sloan is also involved with Go (Wei chi, or baduk) publishing (Ishi Press), which has also involved litigation.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you all for very informative feedback on this and for dealing nicely with the polite query that I didn't get round to. What a fascinating fellow! If I was part of a libertarian committee (do anarchists have elections?) I'd vote him onto it in an instant :)

Can we get a freely licensed photo of him? I'm sure his publicity people exist, and might oblige? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

ACE2011 answered

Not sure if you're watching the page, but I got to your Q's: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2011/Candidates/AGK/Questions. Regards, AGK 12:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the note and for your replies there. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Because I loled. Danger 23:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I reverted more flying monkey related information today. Perhaps we ought prepare for an aerial invasion. Danger 20:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

People say that school IPs produce the most vandalism, but golly, they produce the best humour too. However, not just school IPs! Recently blocked for several years was an IP belonging to HSBC bank, blocked for several months yesterday was an IP belonging to Dominos Pizza, and government departments are sometimes culprits too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Michael McGinn

Hello,

You've previously participated in discussions about the article on Michael McGinn, the mayor of Seattle. I've written a critique of the article on its talk page, and have also raised my concerns at WP:BLPN. Your input would be welcomed. Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. You have a very strong point here, which is sad because the main author of the article has clearly put a huge amount of work into it and quite possibly doesn't even see why people have negative impressions of what he's done. It's rather tricky to unravel really. I will try to comment on BLPN or the article's talk page, when/if I get a moment. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

You may be Interested in the Barefoot Contessa article

Those interested in the Ina Garten article may also be interested in the Barefoot Contessa article as well. Once there, click on the star icon to keep abreast of it. --Javaweb (talk) 17:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)Javaweb

Thanks for the note - yes, I watchlisted it a day or two ago. I guess we can avoid semi-protection of the article, if all three (?) of us are happy to continue this particular mouse-clicking contest :)

Although, on balance, I'd rather swim with dolphins than have dinner with her, too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

AGK

I saw the question that you've posed to AGK. I recommend that you read what I've posted on the discussion page and what I've posted on the WR. I've come to the conclusion that AGK is prone to having emotional outbursts and that he or she doesn't take the time to fully understanding the situation. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 20:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I saw AGK's replies there, and I've given a few paragraphs of response at Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2011/Candidates/AGK. In summary, his replies have done little to alleviate my concerns. In fact, they've done rather the opposite. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Mostly away

Increasingly, I'll only be editing Misplaced Pages sporadically. Comments on this talk page might take an even longer time than usual to get a reply. Also, from mid-December onwards I mostly won't have time to keep up with my watchlist at all. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

So long, and thanks for all the fish. →Στc. 08:16, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

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Boeing 767 now at FAC

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Where do I ask for somebody to do an edit for me in PI articles?

I would like someone to revert Nableezy's edit here, which removes cited information. Where can I ask for somebody to do it?-- Someone35  16:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Someone35, you are topic banned from PI articles. This means you cannot discuss them in any way, shape or form. If I see you making another edit with regards to the topic, I will block you. For the next year, forget about PI articles completely, they are dead to you. Worm · (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)