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Braganza-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

I just started a move request on Talk:House of Braganza-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. I would appreciate your imput. The move concerns changing the article from "House of" to "Branch of" Thank you, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for telling me. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Meetup in March

• User talk:Maryana (WMF)#Re:Meetup
• User talk:Maryana (WMF)#Meeting of Northeast Brazil

Not me, User:Maryana (WMF). She's WMF staff, a researcher, who did the Editor Trends study:

• strategy:March 2011 Update
• strategy:Editor Trends Study
• strategy:Editor Trends Study/Results

I think this is a special trip that's part of the outreach initiative. They're going to be visiting various cities and are open to suggestion. If you're interested, drop her a note.

She and 'Doronina' also wrote this as WMF fellows; The Siberian Misplaced Pages section is a funny story.

• meta:RuWiki History (Doronina and Pinchuk)/English#The Siberian Misplaced Pages

Alarbus (talk) 08:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I believe a meeting in São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro would be better. If not, in one of the three capital of southern Brazil. I have my doubts if a meeting in Brazil would be good at all since I don't remember having seen many Brazilians here. Unless, of course, you're talking about the Portuguese Misplaced Pages. But I hardly believe that most of them speak English.

I'm not able to see any redeeming path to Misplaced Pages. Did you see that Walrasiad has appeared on the Paraguayan War's talk page? People can use sock puppets and their votes will still count (not kidding, go see there, Ilhador's vote is there), canvass, vote against the other side solely for personal enmity (Walrasiad's case), etc... There are no rules. There is no one in charge. You see, I'm not really surprised to see that the FAC is a dictatorship. Perhaps it's indeed better. I don't know... --Lecen (talk) 11:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Let's keep this here. I don't know what their plan is, just what I read on her talk. But they are going to visit and it would be good if they hooked up with the right people. You're one of them, and you can point them at other that they should have talks with. I think they know that online communication is one of the wikis problems and that's why they're willing to make the trip. Oh, and the lush tropical weather.

Maryana was featured in one of the fundraising banners:

From Misplaced Pages researcher Maryana Pinchuk

A year ago I left Harvard, an educational institution with 300 endowed chairs, for a summer job at Misplaced Pages -- and they didn’t have any chairs.

They had just rented a second floor, after adding their 45th employee. But the chairs hadn’t arrived. They were hunched at wobbly folding tables.

Google might have close to a million servers. Yahoo has something like 13,000 staff. We have 679 servers and 95 staff. Misplaced Pages is the #5 website in the world, and it runs on the change that people scrape from their couches.

Please pitch in -- $10, $20, $30 or whatever you can. Every cent you give will go right back to our community, for technology, legal assistance, or outreach.

At Harvard, I was working on a PhD so that I could go on to be a professor at a big university. But I couldn’t leave Misplaced Pages, because every day I was inspired by the passion and curiosity of the people here who don’t want to keep knowledge shelved in a library or a university, but want to put it out there for everybody on the planet to use.

On Misplaced Pages, there’s not a single advertisement -- and there never will be -- because that could bias the information in our articles. We’re able to keep it ad-free thanks to the one or two out of every thousand readers who donate. We need a few more today. With your small donation we can keep the content free, unadulterated, uncommercialized and on the web forever.

Thanks,

Maryana Pinchuk
Misplaced Pages Researcher
PS: I eventually did get a chair.

Ignore the part about the fundraiser. She cares; she believes. That's why she does it. Why she's visiting Brasil. You write about things you want the world to know about, that the world should know about. Don't let the dysfunctional nature of parts of the project deter you from that. Edit around them, leave them behind. See the foolishness about my editing Carousel? They don't get it, don't like it, and the upshot is they're retarding that bit of the project. It only reflects poorly on them and those that enable it.

Don't sweat the users on that RM discussion. The blocked account's "vote" will be ignored by whomever closes that. Zero weight. It's not a vote. The disruption and badgering don't help their 'cause' either.

One of wiki's strengths and weaknesses is that you can edit the rules. In the end this means there are no rules except Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules. That's policy. So please get on with improving Misplaced Pages ;-)

Alarbus (talk) 12:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a point anymore. Why should I bother helping Misplaced Pages with the high level of xenophobia and cultural prejudice toward Brazilians? Take a look at the last comments on Paraguayan War's talk page. They can say whatever they want, do anything they want and nothing happens. Sock puppets, open canvassing, lies, false accusations, etc... why should I bother helping this place? --Lecen (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Lecen – I'm sorry to hear you're so dejected by bad-faith editing practices these days. I wish I could say that this is an edge-case, but I've been hearing the same story from lots of folks who edit on particular national topics. One of the most common reasons people give for leaving Misplaced Pages is bullying and abusive behavior from other editors, and national rivalries really seem to bring out the worst in people at times. But English Misplaced Pages is actually still pretty friendly as compared to some of the other language projects – on Portuguese Misplaced Pages, these kinds of stories aren't just common, they're practically the status quo. That's why Steven and I are headed to Brazil to gather together as many active pt.wiki editors as we can and try to talk about how to solve this and other problems we all know about but can't seem to find solutions for. We hope this will be the start of a lot of conversations in a lot of different communities, too, including English. I think the kind of behavior you're describing thrives on anonymity, decentralization, and the tyranny of an abusive minority. By gathering people together and letting them talk face-to-face, I think editors like you will realize that they're not up against some insurmountable obstacle, and that actually the majority of editors are perfectly reasonable human beings who want to help, not harm.

Anyway, the meetups we'll be having in Brazil will be very pt.wiki-centric, so I'm not sure they would interest you. But if you're anywhere in the vicinity of São Paulo, Rio, Salvador, Natal, or Curitiba in the first week of March, I'd love to grab a coffee with you and throw around some ideas about how we can make some of this stuff better. If nothing else, I can try to conquer you with my indomitable optimism :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Look at the bright side

Lecen, I know the RfC hasn't gone as you hoped. However, the director and delegates are on fair notice of what at least part of the community expects of them, and I think that will have its effect, especially if over time we keep to that position. This is a conservative institution. Brasilia wasn't built in a day. (I have never been, the closest I got was Goiania)  :) --Wehwalt (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Unacceptable

Lecen, this post is unacceptable and frankly disturbing. I would have blocked you for that already, but having seen some of your comments over the past few days I'm not sure I can be objective here, so I'm going to report it to ANI and see what action those there think is needed. Carcharoth (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)