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Malleus' page

it's quite likely that you will miss this reply to you amid the many postings of justified support that Malleus is receiving . Giacomo Returned 12:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I wasnt exactly being serious, come on. The day I'll get sucked into that rubbish is they day I'll hand up my boots and this stops being fun. I've been blocked a few times myself, but it means nothing to me, I just keep on going, and I was only messing there, nothing serious, and if I implied that I guessed you were a solicitor, it was just amusing to me to see it like that. No offence meant. Ceoil (talk) 05:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for peer review

Hi, you indicate on Misplaced Pages:Peer review/volunteers that you're willing to do peer reviews on early medieval topics. Gilbert de Clare, 8th Earl of Gloucester may be a bit late for you, but I'd sure appreciate comments anyway. Many thanks. Lampman (talk) 17:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your kind words. Do you think a list / article showing each of the 82 plates of The Disasters of War would be useful? I know about 30 of them are in the article itself, but wonder if an article showing them all would be useful? I know that they are all on Commons too, but thought a list could go into more detail, etc. Ruhrfisch _><>° 04:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Its a very worthwhile poject, and I've thought about it for sure, but its a bigger thing than you might think. The translations mostly are difficult, there are no defenitive set or subsets. But it would be an extreamly valuable list, no question. It could be done, and it would be a very interesting learning experience; but at the very least Yoman would beed to be onside. He has a v good grasp of the plates, the likely intentions and the language. Ceoil (talk) 05:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

New Year

Nothing fancy - simply Happy New Year! Hope 2012 treats you well. Take care. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:01, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and best returns too. Ceoil (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

All the best!..Modernist (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

You too dude. Ceoil (talk) 05:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

And from me. Highlights from the evening Kafka Liz (talk) 06:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing cause its simple to play. I did that too tonight, and on a childs drum kit. This has only two notes for the bass player to worry about, and just as well. I also sang. Have a good snarl. . Ceoil (talk) 06:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, awesome. Couldn't have been worse than me singing. Youtube link? ;) Kafka Liz (talk) 06:52, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Even you tube has standards, thanks be to be god. The mortifying shame. Ceoil (talk) 06:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy new year, mate. Have some St. Vincent. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Civility

Ceoil, I have no idea why you're popping up with stuff like this, but please stop. Spreading false rumors like that is not helpful to the project. Please find something else to do. --Elonka 06:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Im sure you have a pretty good idea where I'm coming from. Try and fool another fool.S ometing else to do; more irony, har har har. Some self awarness please. And I'm not just poping up, though nice insuation. Your trying to hammer the people I feel affinity towards. Ceoil (talk) 06:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Christ on a stick. What a great way to start the new year. Kafka Liz (talk) 06:50, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Seconded. Truthkeeper (talk) 06:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Well new years were often started with blood sports. Fine. If an editor has nothing else to offer, outside of that one eastenders article to get her through RFA. Ceoil (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Sad to see. Am calling it a night. Shouldn't have bothered to log in. Truthkeeper (talk) 06:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Ug, that the heading is the tile of an current arbcom, just goes to show the intent of baiting and the shallow swin of the mind. Ceoil (talk) 07:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

January 1, the morning afternoon after the night before

That's about how I feel at the moment. Fairly wrecked. Truthkeeper (talk) 16:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Lovely, classy, but try again. No tune, no posting. Depressing tunes prefered. Ceoil (talk) 16:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'll slink away then. Truthkeeper (talk) 16:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah your no fun. Try this...., its nice and reflective, nostalgic, and most of all relaxed. Ceoil (talk) 17:03, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

. And, because I can't ignore a request . Kafka Liz (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Cheers never heard of either beore, me likes. Out of the 8 people last night I was one of two unmarried and without kids. I sucpect all my male friends woke up this morning (da na da da da) to this sad excuse for mens excuses when backed in to a corner.. Note the pride before the fall in the order of them two links. Yeah men are sad bastards.Ceoil (talk) 17:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

You're stretching my credulity there, mister. Never heard the lovely Marlene? Kafka Liz (talk) 17:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Up to about 20 minutes ago I was doing a lot of looking but not a lot of listening. She has a lot of class and a great voice in fairness. Pity for her I sold my time machine. Ceoil (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

She's well worth a look as well as a listen. No kidding. Kafka Liz (talk) 18:18, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Yod have an incoming except my mail server is down. Ceoil (talk) 23:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll keep my eyes open then. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

You actually luck that Irish cant do anything right, least of all maintain a server. It was the worst.email.ever. Had it in my head that we'd share an account that spent a few hours reverting vandelism, then telling people about socially aceptable ways to act, then run for RFA. Then hop over to deleting the main page, MF's talk and block Giano with the summary, not chrisian enough, too clever and uses unparilmentary language. Then we'd light a fag, open a bottle of red, sit back and watch it all unfold as the tools descented from heaven to defend anything an admin does. No chance of that now. O well, supose you have to be a dedicated father than flighty troll to do that stuff. Ceoil (talk) 23:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Good deflection; they'll never suspect. Wondering if that red would help with the damn headache...Kafka Liz (talk) 23:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

If you have a headace what you need is some serious no messing drugs as there is obviously something wromg with you. My email is back, will send on the details and the how to. Mastercard only, no Irish credit cards, thanks very much. Ceoil (talk) 23:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Hm. I'm going to have to keep that for when I'm not reading at the same time. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

How is the search going for sources for your Klimt article bty. Fo me, not very well. Ceoil (talk) 00:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Not so well here. I'm going to have to cough up for my old library, I think, if I'm going to get anywhere. Some of the reviews I've seen point to books that look useful, but I doubt they're at the public library. And a lot of it is in German, and I can't read that. When I do get my hands on something, I'll see if I can't scan some of it to send on. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Lith has fluent German, is sound obviously, likes art obviously, and I guess would be happy to help. Hes from Alabamah, but ping him anyway. Ceoil (talk) 00:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Butting in - Liz I can read German, so if you need help, let me know. If Ceoil wants help with sources he'll have to beg. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

That will be the day, skanger. Ceoil (talk) 00:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh well. No begging, no help, no sources. Your loss, not mine. Btw - was reading the Netherlandish page b/c some serious overlap between that and the period of the Bal des Ardents - that section on the Burgundians needs work. Lucky you - I just happen to be reading about that at the moment. Might want to rethink. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Heh heh. Thanks, TK - I'll be taking you up on that... once I pin down which ones are key. I don't want to bog you down reading reams and reams of German. One of these days I really should try to learn it myself; I'd always assumed I'd do it when I went on with grad school, but then I didn't. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

(Head pops up over fence) Did someone mention me and German in the same sentence? I'm not a huge fan of The Kiss but I've written on Kokoschka before so I have a good general understanding of the period. Any specific sources you're interested in, Liz? Alabama?Lithoderm 01:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Bandon

Hi,Thanks for the message, didn't get to the southern metropolis at the end of last year, hope to be down in mid-January. Interesting piece on today's Irishman's diary re Bennet's History of Bandon, dunno if you are interested. Durrus (talk)

Drive by

FYI Kafka Liz (talk) 18:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Stupid me - I just realized tomorrow = my evening. I don't know how much I can be around (or want to be around, but that's another story). Anyway, I don't think it will get a lot of activity, but just wanted you to know that if you're around I'll prob leave it to you. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Its tomorrow in about 12 minutes here, but I'm not expecting much activity on it. More importantly, did you notice the man is hassling Yomangani's template? Nothing is sacred anymore. Ceoil (talk) 23:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

What, no one's going to add Dirk "Made for Walkin'" Bouts' nickname? Kafka Liz (talk) 00:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

No, and theres a reason. Vandals are far wittier than that these days. Ceoil (talk) 00:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

You're right - the random addition of "penis" outstrips that any day of the week. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, yes. Was only only messing anyway :) Ceoil (talk)

Massively offended. Next stop ArbCom. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Glad that you offended because that means your angry, all the more earier to bait you into a block. Te he he. Note also I have two socks on arbcom, and another who is a clerk; I see a frosty reception in you short future. But go for it anyway if you want; for the sport. Ceoil (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

This is getting interesting...Modernist (talk) 00:27, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Reading... Kafka Liz (talk) 00:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Let's face it, it all started with my question about a color. Now this stuff; I unwatched a few days ago. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Just getting caught up. This wasn't quite what I hoped to be working on this weekend. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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The Entombment is a glue-size painting on linen attributed to the Early Netherlandish painter Dirk Bouts. It shows a scene from the biblical entombment of Christ, probably completed between 1440 and 1455 as a wing panel for a large hinged polyptych altarpiece. The now lost altarpiece is thought to have contained a central crucifixion scene flanked by four wing panel works half its length (two either side) depicting scenes from the life of Christ. The larger work was probably commissioned for export, possibly to a Venetian patron whose identity is lost. The Entombment was first recorded in a mid-19th century Milan inventory and has been in the National Gallery, London since its purchase on the gallery's behalf by Charles Eastlake in 1861. The Entombment is renowned for its austere but affecting portrayal of sorrow and grief. It shows four female and three male mourners grieving over the body of Christ. It is one of the few surviving 15th-century paintings created using glue-size, an extremely fragile medium lacking durability. (more...)

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Question

I can't remember whether I've already asked this: I borrowed a book from the library about the 15th century, most of it about France and the Burgundian area. It has a lot that I think can be used for background in your Netherlandish piece, a lot about the Burgundian court and court artists, etc. I haven't read the entire book yet, but am offering to make notes if you'd be interested before I return it to the library. From what I've read, I think the background section can be reworked, but don't want to barge in, if you know what I mean. Truthkeeper (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

That section and a lot of the influence of the italinas pre-date me, and Im only just getting around to them. In other words work away. I have a good few sources on these bits now, but still reading through; its complicated and messy and not yet clear in my mind. If you eant to sketch up a few facts, yes, please. I can add what Ive gathered and we might be able to set it down clearly in the article, currently its a mess. Ceoil (talk) 21:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll make a section for it in my sandbox. The Bal des Ardents political situation flows directly into the rise of the Dukes of Burgundy and I read a lot about it because it was so complicated. I have it straight in my mind now and understand the background and even to extent to which the Burgundian court drove the art. Give me time though - will be slow at it. Truthkeeper (talk) 21:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Any and all help is appreciated! I'm mostly trying to copyedit for now; sources are thin on the ground for me. Kafka Liz (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

p.s. - just getting around to reading about the Bal... wow. What a story! Kafka Liz (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

It's in interesting story and I was cranking on it when I got pulled back to Hemingway - one reason I reacted so badly to that situation. I really wanted to stay in the 14th century. It's almost done now and ready for peer review I think. Truthkeeper (talk) 21:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes its a brilliant story and the article is great. You are doing well at spinning it, drawing the reader in and amazing him/her; I suggest moving the prose even more in the direction of the pacy tone that Bishonen uses, see Great Fire of London. Maybe even ask Bishonen for a look, she's very good at setting tone and an excellent copy editor. Ceoil (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Great Fire of London is really well-done. Thanks for pointing it out. I still have a few bits to add - and then I'd like to have a run at the prose myself to see if I can do that - Bishonen's writing is beautiful. Otherwise I'll have to find a good copy editor. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Uh, Liz is fairly excellent. Ceoil (talk) 22:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

re:edit summary, none taken. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

The thing about this page is that pulling together sources has been difficult, I don't know the period at all, and I've been interrupted more times than I can say. What I have now is the foundation - the facts are there and all sourced - but it's very very choppy. I have a tendency to do that and want to teach myself how to work through the problem of stiff[REDACTED] prose. If I fail miserably I'll be begging Liz on bended knees. In the meantime, I'm pounding away at it in my sandbox. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Funily enough, Slim Virgin is also rather excellent in bring out the drama of a story within the confines of ency language. I've burned my bridges there, but re tone, we all could learn. Ceoil (talk) 23:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

She's very good at it and it's a skill I'm determined to acquire. My next step in wiki writing. I keep looking at Pound and know that there's not a sentence there that's not written better than anything I can write. That's why I keep putting off work there. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Apart from the story from a visual pov, the bal page is a delight. Ceoil (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

• Nah, I sussed what you were doing, and you're more than capable of pulling this off all on your own. It's a great read, and I'm more than happy to help if you want, and no need for bended knees or any of that. Either way, you're doing great. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 23:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Jeez, I haven't been over here for more than I week and see that we've both turned to Sargent. Like minds, huh? You might have seen on Liz' page that I'm moving from burning dancers to French fairy tales. I still have a dream of doing something about Irish fairy tales and Yeats and his folklore which after cleaning sandboxes then made me think we have to do something about Yeats - I just don't know what. Anyway, I know you're tied up at the moment with work and the Big Article, so think of this as a very long term heads up. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

So ...

... when was the last time you sent me a song, anyway? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The Doors of peception

Impenetrable, occasionally inspired rock scribe Greil Marcus has new book of essays on The Doors, promising "the nagging, dark, seductive undertow of the great liberalisation", plus "a mood of disquiet, exacerbated by assassination and conspiracy theories, that crept across and ultimately overwhelmed the cheerful optimism of Carnaby Street and Haight-Ashbury." Apparently, Oliver Stone is described as "the D. W. Griffiths of the counter-culture". Mick gold (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I remember when I was 14 and really, really into the Doors. Did a school project on them and everything. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:20, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

The doors....my kids are singularly unimpressed with them....I did like Val Kilmer's ipression of him though..

Off topic....This seems somehow apt at present, and suits the mood all round...suits my fucking mood anyway.....been ages since I listened to this...Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

John Lydon lost the plot horribly as the '80s wore on. "Rise" was alright, though. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Re Greil Marcus, tried a few years ago to read The Shape of Things to Come; couldn't. I dont think I'll bother with anything else by him, thanks very much. Anyway, how will ever top Sugarman on the Doors. Ceoil (talk) 20:45, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

There's still hope - although bombarded by Rihanna and Flo Rida, there are some popular songs with some charm - this is quite big here, not sure about elsewhere. Nice duet...figured you'd like it cos it's got (a) painting, and (b) strong chick lyrics in it :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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I guess Jimmy doesn't like Nick Drake then....

I suggested this and is scheduled tomorrow but...errrmmmm....the blackout/strike thingy....sorry......Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

So, now you get to run twice. This place is NUTS. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

You get two days - two are better than one anyway...Modernist (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I've just read through it - it's a nice page. I have no banner (it was there but now gone) so haven't a clue what's happening. I guess I'll find out tonight. Truthkeeper (talk) 19:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Adding - first congratulations. It's really a nice page. Second, good luck with this while those of us on this side of the ocean are blacked out. The page seems to be seeing a fair bit of activity. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:54, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Seriously well deserved barnstar below. Only an hour to go. The page views are fascinating, you dabbler you. The SOPA blackout was prominent news here and prob drove a lot of people to wiki who wouldn't have bothered on another day. I think you should start planning your revenge against Cas now. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

When you come back, some nice editing music Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

fuck! bigger than Elvis!!!! Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm very delighted; thanks a million Cas for the sugesstion, I was lucky to get timed with the blackout, but all the same you rock yourself, absolutly and utterly. Ceoil (talk) 03:06, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Thx - my mainpages get measly views though, 300k is just amazing - if this little fecker gets even 10% of that in a coupla days I'd be impressed..... Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:41, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/Most viewed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:42, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

• But ... I can't figure out why TS spiked also on the blackout day ... anyone else see that? Why would folks be driven to TS during the blackout? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Its best not wondered about or you could go mad with curiousity;) Trilled that Drake got so many page views, its esp ironic as he was only a footnote in his lifetime, crippled by shyness and only latterly appreciated. Kudos to Cas for the nom, much appreciated. Ceoil (talk) 14:49, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Maybe this was being repeated on cable somewhere in the English-speaking world. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Encomium

		The Special Barnstar
		This Special Barnstar is in praise of all your redoubtable contributions to so many articles of especial cultural interest, not least for the now featured Nick Drake. Having a worthy form for articles for such topics gives the encyclopedia a refinement which makes it both rightly instructive and a pleasure to read. --Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 06:59, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Atethnekos. Ceoil (talk) 10:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Uh huh

I think I need to own some PJ Harvey albums. Thoughts? WesleyDodds (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

The first and the last. Ceoil (talk) 00:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

-nods- WesleyDodds (talk) 01:34, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I saw what you took out. Anyway, I still owe you a collaboration. Once I finish with this R.E.M. album I'm tackling with someone, what say you? WesleyDodds (talk) 12:25, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Aye. Ceoil (talk) 14:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Which Queen album? Nothing after News of the World, is my rule. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I must say I am impressed by the Drake views which shat on Elvis, so am wondering who'd get what views, I shudder to think that Bieber might trump them all though in that case....Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I am outraged that none of the Featured Articles I'm the primary author of made that list of most-viewed TFAs. I guess no one loves Joy Division like we do. Fools. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:09, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Hah! you think that's bad - most of my articles end up as turkeys with pageviews when on mainpage...meh...Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

But in all seriousness

Be Here Now is actually their best album (and last good one). But I have to say verything they released after The Masterplan is plain horrible except for Dig Out Your Soul. That one's half good. José Daniel (the cake is a lie.) 04:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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van der Paele

Hi. I'm sure you'll do a great job completing this article. I look forward to seeing your edits idc. -Thoughtfortheday (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey and thanks; lot of material to shift through, will be enjoyable. Ceoil (talk) 23:42, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Goya

Replying to your request about the Black Paintings, I'll be pleased to have a look at the Witches' Sabbath. The occult is a bit outside my usual range of interests, but I've had a chance to make one or two amendments.

Thanks for looking at the "lost" Bach cantata. -Thoughtfortheday (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The lost cantana has my interest and I'd help more, but Im a small bit blocked at the moment and unable tyo help. I'll give you more help in a bit, and thanks as always. Ceoil (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The king and his fiery knights

I haven't thanked you for the copyedits - it's coming along. Getting there bit by bit. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Its very close, keep with it. Such a great, dramatic story, and such nice pictures. Hope all is well otherwise, nothing strange here except Im driven by a driving want to choke the fantistacillay unplesant and unwarrently smug alarbus, and by association all that sail with him. But there you go, wiki is what it is, you get all sorts. Nite anyway. Ceoil (talk) 03:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't get me started there. I noticed there was an AN/I thread and only peeked a bit. As you say, wiki is what it is. Nite to you to. Oh btw - hope you don't mind but I um started to read La Leocadia and the next thing I knew I was kind of shoving text around and stuff. Can't help myself that way sometimes. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Shove away all you want, I like that painting a lot, but finding sources has defeted me. Shes a nice looking bird, and fair play to Goya in his 60s that he could pull her. She was though too, and took no shit after he died and fought for her due. Whats not to like. Ceoil (talk) 03:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

She's interesting and it's an interesting piece. I'm back into Hemingway which makes me think of Goya (and Cezanne) - the empty spaces thing, if that makes any sense. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Images added. Goya excelled at it, but bacon went further and created empty pace in his friends faces, and used arrows to point at them. But they are still PD, so cant use them here. But . Ceoil (talk) 03:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

There's a Hemingway story inspired by Cezanne - I think it's the first time Hemingway did the empty spaces well. I've wanted to work on that page - will someday. Another one image added. Bacon is fairly amazing - haven't ever seen either of those. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The triptych below of Henrietta Moraes is one of my favourite pieces of art, has very invase heavy black brush strokes (the void!) but is tender at the same time, and utterly beautiful.She was very beautiful and charasmatic in her day, modeled for Gimattico, and Bacon was was very fond of her but she end up a junkie and died alone. I get a lot of insight in her face, fatilism almost. The left hand panel is rubbish, but see how the balck almost eats in to her flesh in the others. Ceoil (talk) 04:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing that - I'm glad I saw it before the bot police or whatever show up. It's quite stunning. I'm never sure what harder - empty spaces in painting or empty spaces in writing. Very few get it right in writing. Truthkeeper (talk) 04:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Most people see unglyness and distortion when they see those pictures, I see acceptance of the wear and tear life throws at us, the portraits are very flattering to my eye, and warm. Goya had the same realist view of people and liked.them.anyway, for the most part; my same position. Yomanagani and the riggr farm dont like bacon much; and its a though gig keeping 20c art on wiki, there is no thanks there. Whatever and their loss, fuck 'em. ....its just a simple metaphor..... Ceoil (talk) 05:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Link gives "content not available". I particularly like La Leocadia & don't see distortion there. I see a strong woman holding fast against life & I guess death b/c of whatever the she's leaning on. Truthkeeper (talk) 12:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I see a strong woman also, to me the picture is of a person who takes all that thats is trown at her, but keeps on going anway. Thats as sentiment I respect a lot, Not to mention she is very hot..Ceoil (talk) 12:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

She's attractive, she's strong, she's sad, she's resigned, but she's holding fast and has a small smile. I see a woman who has taken a lot but can take a lot more. It's a nice article. Too bad no more sources to add to it. I'm a little interested in her. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Did you see how my description of Lean as austic was redacted on ani/i as a personal attack. For fuck sake. That tells me the gate keepers there do not have the life expeience to deal with with what is put in front of them, and consdering that, no wonder that forerly site banned cunts like alarbus, and we all know whoe he is, Dianna and Charcjold be wary of yer bed fellows, are able to game so easily. I hope they they are proud of such small achievements. Ceoil (talk) 13:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm just catching up. I see your comment redacted, I see edit warring over the hatting, I see stuff on other pages but haven't read it yet. What I see is that Alarbus has done nothing but make a shitload of trouble for everyone and for[REDACTED] since he showed up in November. I'd love to know his old account to see why he left and came back in such a bad way. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Shoemakeres holiday, he flamed out is spectular fashion about a year ago and is little missed. Look at the chip on the shoulder and bitterness and the the MOS and be not surprised. He has a genral malise topwards the project, I guess he picked us to hassel becuause where were convient and there at the time. Thats about all you need to know, but Dianna saw opp and used him as much as she could, but it seems now is trying to, wisely, distance herself as much as she can. She seems a stalking horse for somebody else, and not very bright, well see who, all this stuff comes out in the end. Ceoil (talk) 13:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I read some of that from another page. Clean start does not mean coming back to full disruption and it's been months of disruption. I'm seriously tired of it. But that's a pretty good assessment. It's hard to do any meaningful work with this constantly cropping up - just seriously disruptive. Btw - if Malleus or you had made the comments Lecen had, either of you would have been hauled immediately to AN/I and blocked. You my dear, will be blocked by the end of the day, for being honest. They're coming for you with pitchforks. It's a double standard. That's why the arb case against Malleus was a joke and it's why I really hate wiki sometimes. Instead of finishing an article today I"ll have to deal with more Alarbus shit which I've been doing since November. How can Wehwalt overlook these kinds of posts from Alarbus' page which are clearly sexist, yet chastise you? I'm not at all impressed by any of this. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Alarbus targeted you, probably indirectly after chatting to Dianna on other chanels. My guess is because you are openly female they thought they could play on voluneritably. Alarbus is a classic stalking horse, and a very unplesant one ast that, but he was used, my guess is unwittingly so, but he's too stupid and smug to realise. Think this; its interesting that all his friends at the start of his accounts life have been keeping distance sinse, or at least the wise ones have. Welalth is playing a very dangerous game, and from what i can see is not aware of the low dealings of the people he sleeps with. Catrohiolt has the same problem; poor bed fellows which will eventually catch him out... Ceoil (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I always felt I was being targeted, and then being asked to put a leash on you was outrageous to be honest. The vulnerability is true - I'm openly thin-skinned which is very bad to be on the internet. And yet he keeps mentioning the Sue Gardner report and editor retention, when I'm everything in an editor they don't want to lose. So far I've seen him go after me and Sandy - I haven't looked to hard to see whether others, but to go after two women? In this place? Please. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

You have a lot of back up here, and if these pricks resord to "telling Sue", then ha ha, thats at the level of prefects telling teacher, and confirms my suspension and feeling of disprespect. Your better than this shit, dont let their gaming drag you down. Keep on going. Ceoil (talk) 14:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm walking away for a little while and will check back later. Ironically wanted to finish Bals today before starting a busy work-week. I could understand why it was so difficult to get Ezra done and why the dispute there, but am seriously bothered at the interruptions re a 14th century incident. Go back to your Netherlandish art & I'll go back to France - or come and help with the final push to the fiery knights. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Deal, M'lady. Also and by the way, im on pg 510 on games of thrones, its great, really enjoying and reminds me of Steven Kings Eye of the Dragon. But better, really really better. I see thousands of pages of GMMR in my furture, and that is fine. Ceoil (talk) 14:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Can't even believe that - gives me chills. Last night I finished Game of Thrones and started Clash of Kings - I'm on page 103 of about 1000 pages. I've been desperately trying to watch the series on the internet but have to pay - so am reading instead. It's actually a re-read; read years ago when they first came out. The early books are much better than the later books. Arya Stark is one of my favorite characters btw. Oddly I never read Eye of the Dragon and have read most of King. Another to add to the list. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I picked up the first book last year, sometime after hearing Martin interviewed on NPR. I wasn't sure I'd like it, but I couldn't put it down and spent the next couple of months reading the whole thing. I agree the earlier books are better - I thought the first three were excellent and the last two rather weaker, though still enjoyable reading. I've only seen a few episodes of the series (no cable), but I was puzzled by a few of the changes they made (minor stuff, really) but poor choices, in my opinion. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

No HBO for me either and can't watch online if not a subscriber. I saw 15 minute preview of the first scene, and noticed lots of changes there alone, so am wondering about the rest. I've been reading since they were published, so it's been a long time since I read the first book. I read the most recent one as soon as it was published - he's getting there with the story, but it's taking a long time. Truthkeeper (talk) 15:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I tried to um, borrow my folks' account to watch it online, but it seems to be somehow dependent on their particular cable provider, which isn't supported or something. Two changes that stuck in my mind as particularly bad were Ned and Catelyn's reacting to Ned's appointment and the treatment of Dany's marriage night. I can say why, but don't want to spoil things if you'd rather see for yourself. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I've watced the series, and its as dazzling and you would expect from HBO; they did not lightly go into it, MM was a script director, and as a visually inclined person, it looks just great, really. In the books Im inclided to be fond of Jon Snow, Ned, and Arya, the casting with all three is brilliant, esp Sean Bean, I have been a fan of his work with years, am inclined towards his typical portraly of the hard man of the north. Without wanting to sound like a tool, thats how Cork people think of the soft bastards from Dublin, with their perfume, soft hands and jewles. Prancing on an/i. Ceoil (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I've been following the blogs for a few years so knew when it went it into production and about the casting and have been dying to see it. Will prob have to buy it. I've seen a few snippets, some previews and stuff and it looks fairly good in comparison to the books. Jon Snow of course. But really all of the Starks. Was thinking last night the reason is the first book is so good is that it's mostly from the point of view of the Starks. Unfortunately that changes. Truthkeeper (talk) 15:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Is it out on DVD yet? One of my Christmas gifts was a promissory note for when it does. My Dad loves it, and he knew I'd like it too. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Liz, Iink but you seem too damn honest. I strongly recomment Party Down and sesond three and four of Parks and recs, and seasons two and three of community. And breaking bad is also damn fine if you have an inkling. Ceoil (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I must be retarded, or perhaps my computer is, because I just can't get that to work. I'll give it another go later this afternoon and try to figure out what's wrong. Breaking Bad is awesome; rented them from the video store. The others should be there too... Kafka Liz (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The link doesn't work for me either so you're not retarded.

Ceoil, jeez, I left for awhile to find you blocked. Why am I not surprised? I think a week's a bit long though, to be honest and they've taken out your edits so no one can see why you've been blocked. Oh, well business as usual around here. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I guess I have to apologize - for something, for bothering you or something. I'll leave you alone and go read. So much for the the king and his fiery men. It's so close too, could have finished it today. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

"I'm however willing to listen to whatever you have to say" - who h=the fuck do you think you are to condsend like that. No interested in you, get lost. Ceoil (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

January 2012

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

thread needs to die before tempers get too frazzled. I can talk with one or both by email if need be. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:30, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

No shit, and you came ton that decision on your own?. For the record, I think you have scant understaning of why I got angry, and dont know or respect you, and dont care what you think and wont appeal. All I say is you you are a tourist, and jumped in without looking, and blocked without any thougt. Fine, and whatever. If calling a spade a spade leads to this, lets argue the finer points of the offlone attacts on fac peps. and harrasment by returng accounts. Up for that? I have a lot to say. Ceoil (talk) 17:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Ceoil, I was asked twice not to comment, so I'm not. I just wanted to fix the page format. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I think the harassment by the returning accounts needs to be discussed. I also think the offer from one FA writer to another to help, & resulting in a block, is pretty bad business, to be honest. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

It all depends on how help is offered, I reckon – & . Ceoil, I'm however willing to listen to whatever you have to say. Salvio 17:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Salvio, much of this started with me and Alarbus. I can provide a load of diffs if you're interested. But I have to say, that Ceoil has good reason to be angry. Wiki has gone through an extended period of disruption recently and it needs to come to an end. Blocking Ceoil is not the answer that's needed here. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Salvio, if you think I give one fuck what you think after you reading of this, you'll be waiting a long time. I compleatly disrepect you sorry, and have no interest in your thouhts. Week long block?, might seem harsh, butn am sure you thught bout it and can defend it. Or at leasdt I hope. Ceoil (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Too bad that editors who don't adhere to the rules of clean start don't get blocked too. But this, for a week? Fuck. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm still trying to work out how that ANI thread on Lecen (which I started) led to this. I had thought it had been resolved. Hopefully Salvio will point to diffs to show what the block is for, or confirm that the diffs he provided above are what the block was for. Though I can see Ceoil's comments (which are actually quite difficult to understand as they are littered with typos) were not that helpful. At one point you typed "Lean" instead of "Lecen" and "Carchold" (at the ANI thread) and "Charcjold" (up above on this talk page), which I presume is referring to me. If you were referring to me, please, in future, say things like that to me on my talk page where I will see them and be able to respond (though I realise that is not possible at the moment). Complaining about someone to other people on your talk page, rather than trying to resolve matters directly, just makes things worse. Two other points: you say "offlone attacts on fac peps" - is that referring to offline stuff? And you refer further up this talk page to who you think Alarbus is. Again, how is that going to help, unless you have evidence of that? If you have clear evidence of that, I'll be the first to say action is needed (I know from my time on ArbCom how messy that got and could get, and if that is what has been going on here it needs to be dealt with, properly and decisively). Carcharoth (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not supposed to comment, but please, Carcharoth ... "I'm still trying to work out how that ANI thread on Lecen (which I started) led to this". You must be kidding (or have you honestly not read any of the discussions you've participated in since October-- which is even more alarming)? And since you started the ANI (on a topic I would have ignored as "business as usual" from certain parts), I'm fairly shocked that you are saying this now. So, Ceoil is Irish, and righteously upset, and typing things he shouldn't be typing. He was blocked so it would stop. Carcharoth, will you please stay off of his page, lest you bait him into an even longer block? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Ceoil, responding for you. First, Carcharoth, you must know why some people make lots of spelling errors, so rubbing it in does not help. I think an SPI should be run on Alarbus. I don't know how that is done, have never been involved in anything like this, but all of this disruption began with me and I would like it stop. I think that Shoemaker's Holiday / Adam Cuerden (apparently the same editor) and their dispute about main page layouts and formats and the FAC process from last winter, (main page talk, archive 157), should be looked at closely in regards to all the recent disruption. After edit conflict: I don't think locking down the page is the answer to be honest. The wrong punishment is being given to the wrong person. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Im disappointed but not surprised by Carcharoth's approach, so I can't spell, nice insight, go you. It however does not deflect from his naked politicing in the last months, and the fact that he backed horses that turned out to be just exceptionally unpleasant. At least I wont be waiking up tomorrow with fleas. You however have to face a failed cough. Tought. Ceoil (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not being horrible when I say I genuinely find it difficult to follow what you are saying. Is 'tought' meant to be 'thought' or 'tough'? If I think about it, I realise you mean 'tough', but it annoys the hell out of me that I have to spend twice as long reading your posts and trying to work out what you have said, and then worrying that I've misunderstood you. What the hell is a 'failed cough'? (Sandy, I'll stop after this, but really, 'failed cough'?) Carcharoth (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Ha fucking ha. Look, I dont take you as thick and I presume I'd prefer if you didnt take me as a fool with such obvious glee. You are still using my inability to spell as a weapon, and to me I can only guess thats becauseb your a small man. Why else? And you are putting the knife in while I am blocked? That makes you smaller still, to my eye. a small man with loud voice and a blunt instrument. Ceoil (talk) 18:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Im fucking sick and tired with C's attempts to bait me, please some admin ask him to go away, he is just noise and boring. I had as much of this shit in high school, dont nedd it here. Ceoil (talk) 19:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Carch, email me if you like. Actually please do. Being familiar with both I can see how/why this has developed - let's just close this thread down as going nowhere productive. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Goya (which is the name of a Spanish painter and not an insult)

When you get back, you might want to look at the use of "fresco" in the Goya article. I left some HTML comments, but I guess you didn't see them (or just ignored them in which case I support your block 100%). Also, perhaps the article title needs reconsidering: 1823 is very exact when it could have been painted in 1821; Witches' Sabbath (Black Painting) might do. And if you feel yourself going off the boil over the block, just shout and I'll pop back and make a snide remark or insult your pets. Yomangani 19:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I know I fecked up there, and yeah its bad, prob unforigivable. i'll try and repent, but no promises man. Ceoil (talk) 19:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't think anything is unforgiveable (re Yoman, I haven't consulted my three dead dogs, although I suspect they'd agree); I have learned a lot of late about the Irish-- mostly at wakes involving all-nighters and lots of food and drink. May you be spared! Take care there, see you back soon! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

id appecdite it if you kept an eye on me, esp on the dutch stuff. Ceoil (talk) 19:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Dutch? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

It's what they call things from the Netherlands, Sandy. Yomangani 20:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, thanks, I love you, too :) I thought he was asking me, not you! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, well both of ye guys are appreciated in my book for what its worth, and from what I can see, Salvio giuliano seems ok too, and handled this well, no hard feelings there. I need Yomangani's help on the Netherlandish page, if he has the inclinication, to sense check me; just taking this opp to soadbox, oppturnist that I am.;) Sandy the block means nothing to me, its part and parcel of this place, and if you want to say what you know, its just the price. The only thing I regret is that Cas has to explain, when he could be doing more productive things. Note thoes he is explainig to never do productive things, they are just mouth pieces, sources of openion, but there you go, thats what we are up against. Ceoil (talk) 02:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Yoman's post made me have a look at that article too. He's added some good comments. Soliciting help while blocked is a good strategy I think. I might have to try it sometime. Happy to see you posting again - I'd just popped in to peek for a moment while taking a reading break and to check the torrent link again. I've decided I'm desperate to get this without paying. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you do a pg move for me pls, Witches' Sabbath (The Great He-Goat). Tks for dropping in, same old same old here, have no news. How are things with you, i see the Bals page is looking damn fine, and such pretty pictures. You can be proud, and dont apologise to any of the pricks above for it. Ceoil (talk) 03:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Not right now - will do it tomorrow afternoon, or maybe Yomangani will do get to it first. I'm too drowsy and will do something stupid. No prob dropping in. Bals is almost ready to submit, thanks to your help and Yoman's, but am waiting for the push. I do like the pictures, very much. No apologizing. I haven't done anything wrong and despite everything else have managed to put together a nice page about a period of history that's unfamiliar to me - so it hasn't been fill in the blanks job. Lots of reading, lots of looking at museum websites. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

No worries, and thats fine. The attack strategy on both of us has been so obvious, its not even worth caring about. My guess is that after tyhe failed cough, charcholot and Dianna will dust it all off and pretend nothing happened, and alrbus will go to ground, ditch his current accound and reicarnate. TCO, fool that he is, will keep on going, obvilious, and keeping on being used by these gamers. The cycle of life eh? Its patethic, but its how it works. At least TCO has the excuse of stupidity, Wehawat is a darker horse, willing to used the mentally unstable to get his end. Ceoil (talk) 03:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually the game of thrones. Have been thinking it's just a bunch of petty nobles squabbling. Sometimes someone comes along and think's they're a noble and makes more noise than others. It's why I like Bals - look at what happened to there. Two dead in one night, and lots of assassinations. That's what we're seeing here - wiki assassinations. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

He he, actually thats very apt. You rock TK. Now please move that page for me already. Ceoil (talk) 03:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)