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	Zarbon, you have to understand: you have really drilled yourself into a bee's nest particularly with Kafziel and Wesleymullins. Even if I did try to get the article back for you, its kind of impossible since your in the minority and it has already been merged and would be considered vandalism which is definitely wrong. What you need to do if you want to contribute for Brendan is to expand the Brendan Filone subarticle on The Sopranos characters page. Then if the subarticle is lengthy it then receives its own article. But you have to make sure that everything about the subarticle is precise, concise and well written. To be honest though this rarely occurs since if it has already been an article and is being merged back, its not likely to reverse, sorry. Otherwise, other Sopranos editors are going to continue to treat you as a vandal and troll. I suggest that you create a site dedicated to Brendan since he is your favorite character and go from there. You have to remember that not everyone thinks the same here and that not everyone is going to agree with you but continuing to revert edits and create edit wars is not going to lead you anywhere. So when your block is up, I would make a fresh start but remember that fancruft is not tolerated on Misplaced Pages. Sorry if I was of no help or hope. ] 20:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)		Zarbon, you have to understand: you have really drilled yourself into a bee's nest particularly with Kafziel and Wesleymullins. Even if I did try to get the article back for you, its kind of impossible since your in the minority and it has already been merged and would be considered vandalism which is definitely wrong. What you need to do if you want to contribute for Brendan is to expand the Brendan Filone subarticle on The Sopranos characters page. Then if the subarticle is lengthy it then receives its own article. But you have to make sure that everything about the subarticle is precise, concise and well written. To be honest though this rarely occurs since if it has already been an article and is being merged back, its not likely to reverse, sorry. Otherwise, other Sopranos editors are going to continue to treat you as a vandal and troll. I suggest that you create a site dedicated to Brendan since he is your favorite character and go from there. You have to remember that not everyone thinks the same here and that not everyone is going to agree with you but continuing to revert edits and create edit wars is not going to lead you anywhere. So when your block is up, I would make a fresh start but remember that fancruft is not tolerated on Misplaced Pages. Sorry if I was of no help or hope. ] 20:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

			sfufan, i will make a lengthy profile for brendan on the characters page without fancruft, but i will really need your help afterwards. i will need you to give him back his own page because i can't do it since these 2 others are particularly and purposely trying to get me for reasons which i seriously don't understand. they are following my edits and purposely reverting them, nonsensically. since you are a fair wiki member and someone i consider a friend, i am hoping that after i write the profile for brendan, you will help me by returning him his page in the secondary area next to matt and sean. thanks again. - ]

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We don't ban editors on Misplaced Pages just because they have a different opinion than us. The two of you are engaging in a content dispute; it's not up to me as an admin to decide whether Zarbon's character is "vain" or "handsome". I think the two of you should discuss this, and reach some compromise. Ask other editors who are familiar with this subject to voice their opinion too, I'm sure this would help figure out what the best version is. In any case, don't get into a revert-war going back and forth, since then both of you might get blocked. Owen× ☎ 20:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

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Re:Sopranos episodes

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Alright, don't worry about it! -- Jjjsixsix /_(contribs) @ 23:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

okay, I'll tag for speedy deletes. -- Jjjsixsix /_(contribs) @ 23:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

okay thanks, as long as the copyright infringe tags don't stay up because i don't want to get in trouble. - Zarbon

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Double-vote

Please do not use a non-logged in account (User:72.227.132.62) and pretend to be someone else to post comments and make changes stating that you "agree" with your logged-in account. I personally find it fraudulent. Beowulph 02:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

3rr warning.

Please read up on WP:3RR. William M. Connolley 20:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC).

Your persistant reversions has forced me to block this account for 24 hours. Oberiko 18:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Sock puppet reverts

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Freeza Family Tree

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yeah i understand that. its just that i've been commanded around so much. i just want to have a page where others won't dictate things. i know about all the rules and i read up on it all. Can you please help me be an admin too. I want to be able to write things without worrying about getting banned. if you can help me, please do so, i promise to be a benefit to the wiki cause. i don't know how to request adminship, i tried but wasn't able to.

I'd strongly suggest holding off on trying to run for admin at this time. You seem to need a bit more experience editing, as well as interacting with other users. You should also attempt to familiarize yourself with policies and guidelines first. xaosflux /_CVU 03:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

regardless, i do try my best. but there are members who just keep reverting to falsified information just for the heck of it. i can't stop them, especially when they themselves are admins. i'm not saying that all admins are bad, its just that there are a few who purposely revert and respond incessantly and jokingly as well as banning good members. I can't actually help the pages unless i am an admin myself.

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hi, thanks again. i tried to do that. i went to nominate self and wrote in my user name. Not sure what else to do. - Zarbon

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I have also posted this at Freeza Family Tree.

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Archive talk page

I encourage you try archiving your talk page versus deleting it. The history of those conversations still exists in the histories of your talk page, so blanking it isn't erasing all of your past. --Zsinj 03:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

well, i don't know how to archive it...so can you help me out. it's just getting long so i wanted to shorten it is all. help me out.

Misplaced Pages:How_to_archive_a_talk_page may be of interest.--Commander Keane 06:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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Refrain from posting those links

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I noticed you uploaded the image Image:Powerrangers7.jpg with the tag that it was public domain. I believe this may have been in error, since the power ranger's material is likely to entirely be under copyright. Is there a source for the image which could be added? Thanks, --Hansnesse 20:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

no, i just put the pics together to make the pic. i didn't get it from a site. - Zarbon

Ah, I see. In general, derivative works (things remade from a source) are still considered to be under copyright (at least that is my understanding of the law). Is there a source for the images you used? Thanks, --Hansnesse 20:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

ah yes. i got it from rangercentral, but the site is temporarily down. its from the character bios.

Cool, great work on the image,by the way. I'll add the {{PUIdisputed}} tag to the article, and start a discussion on the talk page about it. I'm not sure what tag, if any, should be used for this. Hopefully someone with more information can sort it out. Thanks, --Hansnesse 20:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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Please add the sources: names of movies, tv programmes that the screenshots are from. Please do it soon or i will have to tag them again. Thanks. feydey 02:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

which screenshots are you talking about? Let me know and I will do my best to fix the problem so you don't have to tag them. - Zarbon

Image:Shank44.jpg

The identical image to this one was removed for lack of sourcing information; when you replaced it after deletion, the new image still lacks sourcing. I have amended the image with its lack of source; but all you need to provide is the original sourcing of the image and remove the {{no source}} for it to be w/in Misplaced Pages:Images guidelines. If you have any questions, let me know! — pd_THOR | 18:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Terry Crowley

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I found another resolution. - Zarbon

The issue is not the matter of miscategorization, but of proper placement of the page. Kafziel is correct in the naming conventions being what they are. Please read them as they are well-applicable to this issue. I've re-moved (yet again) the page back to Terry Crowley (The Shield). — pd_THOR | 20:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Your "resolution" was to move it back to "Detective Terry Crowley" again? Why do you keep doing that? Kafziel 20:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

My resolution was NOT that. I tried to move the player to Terry Crowley (Player) and make the character just plain "Terry Crowley" but i got a weird message saying move failed. - Zarbon

Real people take precedence over fictional characters. The baseball player should stay where he is, because he's a real-life famous person. Fictional characters (or less-famous real-life people) that share a name are the ones that get the () in the title. Everything works fine the way it is now. Kafziel 23:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Why should the real life people remain that way? Personally, I feel that the character of Terry Crowley was a more major notable person than the player anyday. - Zarbon

First of all, that's just the way it is. Second of all, Terry Crowley was in one episode and then a couple of flashbacks. He's barely notable enough for his own article as it is, let alone to be considered the Terry Crowley. I thought it would be better just to try to improve it so maybe it won't get merged back into the main article and deleted, but there's no way he wins out over a major league baseball coach, that's for sure. Kafziel 23:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

User page pics

By the way, Kilo-Lima is right in taking those pictures off of your user page. It doesn't matter who uploaded them, it matters who owns them. Unless you own the production company that makes that cartoon, the photos are not free for your use (even if it was you who uploaded them). They may be Fair Use, but fair use means that they can be used a limited amount of times and only in articles dealing with that specific material (not user pages). The way you are using them is not fair use. Kafziel 23:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Stop adding those images to user pages

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I will upload a photo EXCLUSIVE for my page so that it DOES NOT show up on other wiki pages. - Zarbon

Doesn't matter. If the picture is copyrighted (which every screenshoot or still frame of a cartoon is) then you have to have a good reason to upload it, and you can't put it on your user page. Kafziel 05:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

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Vandalism warning

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Second vandalism warning

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Third vandalism warning

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Final warning

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at List of characters from The Shield. Kafziel 00:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I heard you already the first time. Stop biquering with me. I won't edit it anymore. Also, I will be going to the discussion page and voice myself there. - Zarbon

The problem here is that you don't listen to anyone. Removing the tags is vandalism, and it's too bad if you think the pages look bad with them. That's what all those warnings were about. But you just don't get it. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

Speaking of talking to a brick wall, how many times have you been warned about taking that picture off of your user page? Others have removed it, numerous people have posted messages to you about it, and it has even been deleted. But you keep uploading it and putting it back on. The reasons for not having it has been explained plenty of times, and there is nothing you can say or do that will make it okay. You need to take it off - now - or you will be blocked for that and you can forget all about the discussion on The Shield pages. Kafziel 13:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is, the photo's been there for ages now, and just because you say it, does not mean I have to remove it. It's my user page, it's not any of anyone's business. Why don't you just tend to look at the matter at hand, instead of trying to find ways of having me banned. or is that all you want to do, get me banned? - Zarbon

I want you to start listening to what people are saying to you about your behavior and your practices. This is not your little playground. The issue with The Shield and the issue of the picture go hand in hand. And the photo hasn't been there for "ages"; you haven't even been here for "ages". And since day one, people have been warning you about image copyrights.

I have no need to get you banned; you've lost the vote on The Shield anyway. Kafziel 13:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

How did I lose the vote? It was just two people...? Also, did you even do as I told you? Did you bother to check out the Oz characters, Sopranos characters, and the Dragonball Z characters? You should, because you'd see how people prefer all the categorizations there. Why don't you check that out and then get back to me with your opinion. - Zarbon

As I've already noted on the article talk page, it's five people; four to one. And once again, you're not listening. I don't care how they do it on those pages - they are wrong. Did you do as I told you, and read the policy? Of course not. Kafziel 13:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I understand very well what you're saying. but how can you not care how things are done on very similar pages. it's still wikipedia. and what happens when I add 100 more shield characters....the one page will become heavily fluttered. - Zarbon

Well, part of keeping clutter down is being able to trim unnecessary details from descriptions (like the 40 MPH thing, for instance). The difficulty you're having is that you are unable to leave anything out, because you think it's "awesome" or "extremely important", when really it's neither. This is an encyclopedia; it's not The Shield Fan Club, and it's not intended to include every detail of every minor character in every show in history. Once again, this is also related to the photos on your user page. You think that cartoon guy is the greatest thing ever, so you abandon all reason, disregard all of the rules, and ignore all of the warnings, just so you can have a picture of him on your page. You don't care what the policy is (or the law, in that case). That doesn't work here.

The three articles in question are stubs. There's really very little chance of them ever being more than stubs, so the policy says to merge them into a character list. I'm right, and consensus is with me, so I don't care what any of the other pages are doing - but if you really want me to go look at them, I'll start slapping merge tags on those, too. Kafziel 15:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

understood. but what about antwon mitchell. in that case, he should be merged also. he's only in seasons 4 and some of 5. he's not a major character either from your standpoint. don't say he is, because appearance wise, he's only as important as margos and terry. - Zarbon

You can put a merge tag on his article, too, if you want to. He has more screen time than all three of those other guys put together, though, and he's also a famous actor in his own right, so it's fine with me if he keeps his article. Others seem to think he deserves his own article, too. Whatever the group decides is okay with me, and whatever the group decides about the other articles needs to be okay with you. Kafziel 18:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Sopranos

Hey Zarbon, its great that you keep updating The Sopranos episode page with images but in the future can you be sure to label them "Sopranos ep6xx.jpg" instead of what it is now "Epxx xx.jpg" just to be more manageable and organized. Keep up the good work! Sfufan2005 02:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

oh sure. no prob. i will keep that in mind. - Zarbon

Final warning

You've already had several warnings about removing maintenance tags from articles. I thought we had come to an understanding. That doesn't mean it's okay to use an anonymous sockpuppet to remove them.

You're writing articles that don't conform to Misplaced Pages's standards, using sockpuppets to remove tags and vote on AfD pages, uploading copyrighted material without sources, and now you're breaching WP:CIVIL by using inflammatory language in edit summaries. This is your final warning. Please don't ignore it. Kafziel 15:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

You promised me you WOULD NOT go into the other sections and tag them. You don't seem to understand. BRENDAN FILONE is what i live for. If there's a tag on him, i am suicidal. Anything else, but for that one character, I perfected it. There's NOTHING wrong with his info. Please discuss it. Tagging it is quite useless. - Zarbon

Tagging it is not useless; tagging it is Misplaced Pages policy. I have already listed some of the problems on the talk page (though probably not all of the problems, as I am not the editor who originally tagged the article).

The simple fact that you "live for" a minor character from a TV show several years ago might be a hint that you do not have the objectivity required to write a proper article on him. Kafziel 15:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

WHAT?!?!!?! The fact that I live for him should consolidate and DETERMINE the fact that I can write something solid on him. It's the backbone. And please, state the problem so the tag can be removed, it makes my most favorite guy in all history look bad. - Zarbon

It's not history. It's an old TV show. And the fact that you live for him (whatever the hell that means) shows that you can't write an article about him without using inappropriate tone, which is quite obviously the case with everything you touch on Misplaced Pages. Kafziel 15:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

It's history for me. But please already, just specify the problem, have it fixed or something. I just don't want to see the tag. It's demeaning and gives off a negative vibe. - Zarbon

The problem has already been specified on the talk page. Kafziel 15:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Images on user pages.

I just wanted to give you the heads up that no image that is marked as "fair use" can be used on User or User Talk pages. I removed one such image on your user page. I'd happily explain the reasoning behind this, if it's necessary, but it is a legal requirement on wikipedia. Thanks. Hpuppet - «Talk» 16:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, i've been through this about a hundred times, minimum. Do you know of ANY way in which I can keep that image on my page? - Zarbon

Buy the rights to the company that makes the cartoons. That's it. Kafziel 16:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Have you considered drawing (not tracing!) it yourself, and then uploading the drawing? Hpuppet - «Talk» 16:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

that's not a bad idea. - Zarbon

As long as the drawing is not a copy of a copyrighted work, it will be fine. Hpuppet - «Talk» 16:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Even that is sketchy; a lot of copyrights for animation include likenesses of the characters, even if homemade. You (Zarbon) would need to check the copyright information and post it with the image(s). Kafziel 16:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

check the one i'm putting up now. i made the image using my own software. - Zarbon

Your two most recent uploads are blatent copyvios. Taking a lot of copyrighten characters and putting them on one panel retains all of the initial copyrights. I recomend you get out a set of pencils and start drawing. Hpuppet - «Talk» 16:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Here is another Idea that might pass muster: Buy a poster of Zarbon or whatever, and hang it on your wall. Then take a picture of yourself with the poster in the background. If "you" are the main emphasis in the picture, with Zarbon in the background "covering your back", then that might make an artistic point that might serve several purposes; without violating the copyright rights of the creators of Zarbon. --T-dot 16:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

what about a rendering or a 3d work, something i'd make of him using software. does it HAVE to look unprofessional...because I want the rendered image to look appealing. If I personally make the image from scratch in a 3d rendering, would that still be against the rules? check it now, if this isn't good, then i will draw it. - Zarbon

You can theoretically make your own "fan art" artistic interpretation of Zarbon or whatever, perhaps incorporating your own new ideas as to how he "might" or "should" or "could" look. You can then use the copyright tag associated with YOU being the "creator" of the image, and giving the Misplaced Pages your explicit permission to use it. The copyright restrictions are against "stealing" or "plagiarizing" other people's artistic work, and posting it on your User page as if it were your own, without permission from the artist. Posting "authentic" Zarbon artwork on your User page is expressly prohibited. It is allowed on a relevant and topical wiki-encyclopedia page only in a limited sense. By the way I don't have a position on Zarbon or your specific User page, I came in to investigate what the the problem is - as there is a considerable effort before the Administrators to have you blocked and banned. No offense, but some of the arguments here over your edits and image uploads look more like a cat fight between some raging young teenagers, not at all like a 21-year old adult (as previously stated in older versions of your User page) and other adults. Anyway I'm just here to try to help. --T-dot 17:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

And I applaud your vigilance. I'm still trying to understand exactly what your message was though. Thanks for the input regardless. Isn't a created/rendered image from scratch a work of my own, even if its the portrayal of a previously existing character? - Zarbon

I think so - if it was truly "your creation" that came from nothing but your artistic creativity, and your impressions of the subject and its appearance, and is not an attempt to "associate yourself" with or "profit" from someone else's work, it should be considered "fan art" and "yours", and free to distribute. On the other hand, if you "started off" with a previously copyrighted image or images, and simply processed it using image processing software like Paint Shop Pro or whatever, to stretch, distort, combine elements, delete parts, or reshape the image, or alter the colors, or to "funk it up" just enough to disguise it's true origins, then that too could be considered a copyright violation (although it is a much weaker argument than that for an image that was simply copied and pasted from a copyrighted web site). You also need to be very careful with using trademarked logo typeset styles. I do not know much about Zarbon or DragonballZ or whatever - but if the image includes trademarked text styles, then that too could be considered unauthorized use of a trademark. I just hope all this "mentoring" helps got you going on the right path. --T-dot 18:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

thanks a lot, you are quite adequately refined in explaining the argumentations of these processes. May I inquire your help in another field? Many people have told me to synchronize my history into some sort of batch...to create more space on the discussion page. I simply deleted all the stuff previously, but I was told it would be better to save it under the history...? I don't know how to combine it, etc. and store it, so maybe you can be of some assistance and aid me in combining this old history on this page and having a clean page without deleting it. Much thanks. - Zarbon

Certainly - I think they meant for you to "archive" the old material, so it is still accessible to you and others with a few clicks, but hidden from your current "user page" or "talk page". You can always select some material for archiving, and leave the rest visible. See how to do this in: Misplaced Pages:How to archive a talk page.

Just don't archive your recent warnings and tags and things - that would be considered an act of undisciplined defiance of the wiki-policies and guidelines that you were called out for. When "enough time" (perhaps a month or so) has passed for you in "wiki-purgatory", in repentance as it were for your past "sins" (including the inadvertent ones), and you have not been ticketed again for the same "crimes", then perhaps you can begin delete or archive the warnings, unless the editors or administrators that placed the warnings go ahead and delete them themselves. You can always contact the administrator or editor who applied the warning to respectfully request removal of it, provided you have learned the lessons.

One more thing - I would not recommend you try to get an "administrative" appointment anytime soon. Most admins must to show months and months of faithfulness to the cause, with extremely high quality editing work, and impeccable kindness to others, and great demonstrated knowledge of and respect for the rules and guidelines, in order to qualify and get enough votes from their peers and other admins. It appeared in your earlier effort for an admin-ship was that you were hoping to become an administrator in order to "gain firepower" in your wars with other editors and administrators. That kind of motivation and apparent power-lust is not going to help you much. It also appears that you used "sockpuppets" to try to deceive the system and other users, in order to get your way in reversion wars and other arguments. That won't help your cause either. The purpose of the wiki-administrators is to help new and wayward wiki-editors with rules and guidelines, and to protect the integrity of the Misplaced Pages, and to gently discipline those who violate the rules; not to try to get enough power to selfishly bypass the rules and guidelines, or to dodge discipline, or to carry out vengence attacks on other editors and admins who may disagree with your point of view. Not saying you did any of this, just trying to illustrate the point. Peace, and good luck. --T-dot 19:57, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

User page image

Your new user page image is still a copyright violation. Kafziel 14:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Filone.jpg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Filone.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Image legality questions page. Thank you. Shyam 19:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Final warning

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Brendan Filone, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Kafziel 14:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

you can seriously go to hell at this point. you are intentionally following all my activity and trying to get me banned. - Zarbon

You have been blocked from editing for vandalism of Misplaced Pages for a period of 1 week. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. --Nlu (talk) 16:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Complete sockpuppet / alternate IP list

For reference, I compiled a list of sockpuppet/anonymous IPs that Zarbon has edited under while not logged in. All the contributions from these IPs seem to belong to Zarbon, and so anyone wanting to examine Zarbon's full history should incorporate the talk pages and contribs for these. It's a bit unclear whether to call these sockpuppets or not, because he does actually sign talk page comments with "Zarbon" while using these, but he also uses them to attempt to bypass 3RR and to cast fake votes (such as in AfD). 4.89.242.24 16:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I have set up the category and replaced appropriate tags. Thanks. Kafziel 18:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The tag should be mirrorered here since I'm sure it'll be removed from his user page when his block expires. I hope he'll play nicely from now on but the information should be available in case anyone needs it in the future.4.89.240.43 13:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

He is still posting under sock puppets and posting this ID with his messages. He has only been banned for three days, so he is not accepting his punishment. At some point, can't you ban him forever for refusing to follow the rules? Wesleymullins

Yes, but I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. Kafziel 17:14, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The owner of this account is suspected of abusively using multiple accounts.

(Account information: block log · CentralAuth · suspected sockpuppets · confirmed sockpuppets)

A note to Zarbon

I know saying "don't take it personally" is much easier said than done, but I assure you that I didn't want it to come to this. I hope that you will take advantage of your time off and read some of these policies, so that when you return you will be prepared to cooperate with other editors for the good of the project. A few policies to read:

Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith - Don't jump to conclusions and assume others are out to get you
Misplaced Pages:Civility - Staying calm during disagreements and not resorting to personal attacks
Misplaced Pages:Consensus - Reaching a consensus in a dispute and accepting community decisions
Misplaced Pages:Notability - Guidelines for articles about fictional characters
Misplaced Pages:Copyrights - Policy on uploading copyrighted images and "fair use" licensing
Misplaced Pages:Vandalism - Policy stating that removing maintenance tags from articles or warnings from talk pages is considered vandalism
Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule - Policy on reverting changes to articles

These policies should give you some insight into why you've run into so many problems here, and how you can avoid more problems in the future. I hope you will continue editing here in a more responsible and cooperative way. Kafziel 18:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Zarbon/The Sopranos

Zarbon, you have to understand: you have really drilled yourself into a bee's nest particularly with Kafziel and Wesleymullins. Even if I did try to get the article back for you, its kind of impossible since your in the minority and it has already been merged and would be considered vandalism which is definitely wrong. What you need to do if you want to contribute for Brendan is to expand the Brendan Filone subarticle on The Sopranos characters page. Then if the subarticle is lengthy it then receives its own article. But you have to make sure that everything about the subarticle is precise, concise and well written. To be honest though this rarely occurs since if it has already been an article and is being merged back, its not likely to reverse, sorry. Otherwise, other Sopranos editors are going to continue to treat you as a vandal and troll. I suggest that you create a site dedicated to Brendan since he is your favorite character and go from there. You have to remember that not everyone thinks the same here and that not everyone is going to agree with you but continuing to revert edits and create edit wars is not going to lead you anywhere. So when your block is up, I would make a fresh start but remember that fancruft is not tolerated on Misplaced Pages. Sorry if I was of no help or hope. Sfufan2005 20:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

sfufan, i will make a lengthy profile for brendan on the characters page without fancruft, but i will really need your help afterwards. i will need you to give him back his own page because i can't do it since these 2 others are particularly and purposely trying to get me for reasons which i seriously don't understand. they are following my edits and purposely reverting them, nonsensically. since you are a fair wiki member and someone i consider a friend, i am hoping that after i write the profile for brendan, you will help me by returning him his page in the secondary area next to matt and sean. thanks again. - Zarbon

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