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March 2012

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Shrike (talk) 11:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I really hope you are proud of yourself Shrike, it's nice that you have the numbers of editors in Israel to always delay or attempt to win arguments which attempt to Neutralize against your biased Israeli-POV, in lieu of Unbiased sources that provide facts against your proposed theories and statements. Someday perhaps you and other the other biased Israeli editors will take a proper history course and learn that when you try to rewrite history, the truth will always come through. You cannot ignore or withhold Palestinians history forever, however hard you try. Regards, Lazyfoxx (talk) 20:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• The full report of this case is located at WP:AN3#User:Lazyfoxx reported by User:Shrike (Result: 31 hours). The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Lazyfoxx, I don't consider my personal POV on subjects when I'm looking at edit warring. IRL, I'm definitely a supporter of a two-state solution, and I'm not at all happy with the way my home country (the US) has conducted relations with Israel (and frankly, I think both sides of the dispute leave a lot to be desired). That being said, you were very clearly edit warring, despite being warned about it, and attempting to bring the Israel/Palestine dispute to the article on Jesus isn't at all helpful. There's now a discussion at the talkpage; when your block expires, discuss your proposed changes. You'll find that people are much friendlier to you when you communicate with them, even if you're disagreeing with them. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The discussion on the talkpage at Jesus was initiated by Lazyfoxx when he first made changes to the article. Did you read the talkpage or chck Lazyfoxx's contribs to talk at least? Tiamut 20:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

He broken 3RR and it pretty clear.His personal attack on me after my notice is clear evidence of WP:BATTLEGROUND--Shrike (talk) 20:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yes, I did. The idea of discussion is to work it out first, then make changes. I don't see anything approaching consensus for his changes, and there were different editors reverting him, which should have been a sign that further discussion was warranted. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:25, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Link to talkpage discussion in question; Talk:Jesus#Jesus: A Palestinian Jew. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The Blade, Have you not read my continuous discussions on those talk pages? I have been communicative about every single edit I have made on any page I edited. My edit that you considered "warring" was not in any way intended to push an Israel/Palestine agenda. I clearly found it appalling that on the page about Jesus, who in countless unbiased sources that I have stated and provided is viewed as a Palestinian Jew, is merely represented in the ethnicity section as "Jewish". From my observation, there is clearly a majority of editors on these pages relating to Palestinians that form an pro-Israeli consensus whenever neutrality is attempted or a subject disputed. I am an American myself and I keep a neutral point of view in all of my edits, but I do believe in stating facts, not opinion on wikipedia, it is the editors on these pages Opinion that Jesus was solely Jewish, it is fact that he was a Palestinian Jew. Lazyfoxx (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

If you're finding that's the case, that people are banding together to keep a pro-Israeli POV (I have no opinion on whether or not that's the case), there are ways to pursue it. We have dispute resolution for a reason; make use of it. There are some great people who do a lot of work on DR, and when I've used it it's worked out very well; not always the way I personally wanted it to come out, but it does resolve the problem. Continuing to revert on an article isn't what you're supposed to do. If you're having a hard time finding where to go (our DR processes can be a bit of a maze; it took me a long time to figure out what to do the first time myself), I'm more than happy to point you in the right direction. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:36, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

In all honesty, from what I have been seeing, I highly doubt that would help the situation, Blade. Lazyfoxx (talk) 06:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012

Hi, Just a reminder that as someone said on Talk:Jesus there is a 1RR on anything related to Palestine and that your reverts on that should be treated carefully. In any case, please do read WP:TE regarding repeated talk page statements there. As I said there, Misplaced Pages is not a forum for airing political grievances. I do understand that you may feel passionate about the issue, but the road to an indef block is often paved with passion. History2007 (talk) 03:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

My edits are not political, you may perceive them that way, but they are in all honesty historically accurate edits which have verifiable sources much stronger than the one's you profess all over these pages. The fact that you have a high number of editors with a clear as crystal pro-israeli agenda bias is frightening to me as an American, and will influence my future viewpoints on the Israeli-Palestinian issues. I have dis-recommended Misplaced Pages to any and all acquaintances I have made after reading half of the content you and other editors weasel your way into portraying as fact, due to sheer numbers. It's really sad, this is where many people in the world get their information regarding different countries and peoples, they should at least be privileged to a non-biased view. Perhaps in the future. Until then, I suggest you read up on your proper history, it is your username afterall. Lazyfoxx (talk) 05:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Isn't it ironic that you claim to have zero bias and zero political motivation, yet you are quick to call anyone who disagrees with you a pro-Israeli zealot. I've definitely met "Israel, right or wrong" people before, and a few on Misplaced Pages. But if you want others to not conncider you a POV warrior, a good start would be to stop attacking other editor's politics, real or imagined.

Anyway, I appreciate your zeal and look forward to more interaction.Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 05:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry LazyFoxx, I have no interest in politics, or the current geopolitical debates around the world. It is mostly talk that will be forgotten next week. I do not get involved in political debates, and again Misplaced Pages is not a venue for it in any case. History2007 (talk) 05:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have a political bias towards Neutrality, if you would consider that a bias, Luke, and I can easily pick up on pro-israeli or pro-palestinian agendas due to encountering plenty of both throughout my life, but I will not stand by idle while editors will seek to destroy Palestinian history, they deserve more than that. Lazyfoxx (talk) 05:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 06:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure any of the comments above are personal attacks per se, but Lazyfoxx, you should be careful because there is low tolerance for the appearance of battleground behaviour here. I think its beautiful that you have such a passion for fairness. I share your opinion that the attempts to block out the connections between historical Palestinian figures and contemporary ones is evidence of a hypocritical double standard given that no other ethnic group is singled out for such treatment. But you are not going to win over people who think Palestinians are Fakestinians. Your only hope is to keep compiling reliable sources and focus on presenting the content to as wide a sector of the community as possible in the hopes of winning over neutral observers or those without a stake in the issues at hand. Still, you may fail. I once tried to get Palestinians to be described as a nation (not nation-state), but despite many solid sources, some people just would not recognize that. Sometimes you can fail the first time, and then succeed years later. The important thing is to be patient and respectful and tick to talking content. People who care about the collaborative project of building an encyclopedia will appreciate that and might pitch in to help. Tiamut 17:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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