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To-do list for Hip-hop culture: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2024-12-07 WikiProject Project page talk Assessment talk Announcements To-do list Request list Media Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Cleanup : references/endnotes:The refs that are there need to be more detailed and consistent - internet refs should have url, title, publisher, author if known, and date accessed (using {{cite web}} and the other cite templates may be useful). Copyedit : In its current state this does not seem to meet the comprehensive or well referenced requirements. article is not comprehensiveness-for example, the history ends with the 1980s. It refers to the History of hip hop music article, but does not summarize it per WP:Summary style. The lead should summarize the whole article. Also, make sure to avoid or explain jargon, see WP:JARGON Expand : The lead is very short and should probably be three or four full paragraphs instead of two short paragraphs made of three sentences. Verify : In its current state this does not seem to meet the well referenced requirement.Several whole paragraphs have no references - for example, cite claims like "Rapping is derived from the griots (folk poets) of West Africa, and Caribbean-style toasting." Wikify : This article is overlinked. Be consistent-is it "Planet Rock" or just Planet Rock? the Bronx or The Bronx (another overlinked term)? Other : Many thanks to Ruhrfisch ><>° for the above suggestions. |Female Representation= Make sure an adequate number of females are mentioned through-out the article, including females that contributed to the style & early female hip hop artists & later ones. Please see notes on talk page about this.Sylvia Blossom (talk) 15:06, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Duplications

The following paragraph has repeated twice in the article:

Though born in the United States, the reach of hip hop is global. Youth culture and opinion is meted out in both Israeli hip hop and Palestinian hip hop, while France, Germany, the U.K., Africa and the Caribbean have long-established hip hop followings. According to the U.S. Department of State, hip hop is "now the center of a mega music and fashion industry around the world", that crosses social barriers and cuts across racial lines. National Geographic recognizes hip hop as "the world's favorite youth culture" in which "just about every country on the planet seems to have developed its own local rap scene." 79.74.128.62 (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Moved from article

(to the editors)- i saw that you have erased my addition to this article. i am a Bboy from Jerusalem and to me hiphop is my whole life and i made it as such because i believe that through hiphop i will be able to bring positive change to the world. you cannot have an article about the hip hop culture without one word on it's values, it's goals, the mindset of those who practice the hiphop arts, and especially you cannot have a whole article about hiphop without one word about the CYPHERS. without cyphers there is no hiphop. so if my addition was not acedemic enough for this website, than please ask a more well known B-boy (Crumbs, Remind, Ken Swift, Crazy Legs, Born, Machine, ATA, anyone who you deem to be famous enough so that they can enter a quote here) because the B-boys nowadays are the ones who continue to live real hiphop and all that is written here has been written by people who are not a part of the culture. this is clear because there doesn't appear even one word as to what hip hop REALLY is and what it STANDS FOR.

Peace

Bboy Rethink, TRuClaN, Jerusalem

{Originally posted by 213.8.6.227 in article, moved by Apparition|/Mistakes 20:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC))

Merger

I highly recommend that the article at Hip hop music be used as the basis for the new article, not the one currently located here. Since Hip Hop is mainly about the music, the music article should be the base. Zazaban (talk) 01:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I highly recommend the opposite; the hip hop music article has only 20 references while the hip hop article has 3 times as many. Hip hop music should be simply redirected.Cosprings (talk) 00:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but the setup for the other article is much better. This article is basically not about a musical genre, but the subculture that surrounds a musical genre. If we keep this version will will have no article about the musical genre, but one about the subculture that surrounds it. That's extremely odd. Zazaban (talk) 05:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

And that is the reason why the best solution is to have "Hip Hop" as a disambiguation page pointing to the various related articles, and one article title "Hip Hop (music)" and one titled "Hip Hop (culture)." Let's be clear--Hip Hop is a mess--an opinion-pushing one at that--number of citations notwithstanding (don't blame the messenger). One of many reasons that it is a mess, respectfully, is because when editors who believe (in good faith) that "there should only be one hip hop article" choose to delete or redirect hip hop-related articles, they find that there is a need to merge the relevant info from the page that they deleted. This balloons the article in size, and shows only one of the reasons that the article should be broken up, per WP:SPLIT. This is no more unusual than featured article Punk rock having split into Punk subculture and Punk ideologies, among others. -RoBoTam 16:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

No, you've said all this before and I disagreed strongly with you then as I do now. First of all, don't do it just because that's the way punk did it. Second, No one wants to put "hip hop" into wikipedia and get directed to a disambiguation page, most newbies won't even understand what that is. They want to instantly be directed to an all-encompassing summary of the genre/culture. There should only be one article on hip hop, and not even a hip hop music article, because there already roots of hip hop, old school, new school and golden age articles. That's not one article, that's 4 historical periods plus the main article. The main article as it is is very well sourced, though a refimprove tag would definitely improve things. I am sure most people would agree with what I've just said.Cosprings (talk) 16:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

My friend, the problem is that they didn't/don't agree with everything you just said. The "no ones" that you speak ofhave reached consensus several times on exactly the opposite tack. Your opinion on disambiguation pages is respected, but may reflect a misunderstanding of wikipolicy at Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation. There is no argument that the word "Hip Hop" reflects both a style of music and a subculture. However, the ongoing argument, of which your opinion is a part, centers on whether the music or culture is the primary topic (as you and Zazaban have engaged in above). Luckily for us, Wikipolicy addresses this situation at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC:

"If there is extended discussion about which article truly is the primary topic, that may be a sign that there is in fact no primary topic, and that the disambiguation page should be located at the plain title with no "(disambiguation)".

Thoughts? -RoBoTam 16:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The discussion is not about which is primary, but whether or not hip hop music should exist at all. So that excerpt is not relevant. You want a disamg for only two articles? Just merge them and all efforts will be centralized, not defracted as would happen with two articles that basically cover the same things.Cosprings (talk) 16:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

You certainly have a right to your opinion concerning relevance, as well as your opinion of what "no one" wants to read. Like some, you may feel that hip hop music and culture are "basically" the same thing, but others have a different take, and there is a logical argument to back that premise up. While you, among others, argue that they "cover the same things," the relevant material that is cut and pasted when the articles are joined balloon the article to the point that Misplaced Pages:SPLIT becomes relevant. Since you were "present" at the prior discussion, you already know that the purpose of a disambig page would be to centralize, not defract the the hip hop topics, to include music, culture, fashion, etc. Regarding your comments about the Punk Rock page...well, while I certainly appreciate the sentiment of "don't do it just because that's the way punk did it," Punk Rock is a Featured Article, while Hip Hop was a Featured Article, so maybe there is something that can be gleaned from that article after all. -RoBoTam 20:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hip hop music was a featured article in January 2005 when it featured ZERO citations, only a list of a references. As it is now, hip hop is much better.Cosprings (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

As stated before, your opinion is respected. -RoBoTam 02:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Why are we even arguing? Hip hop is the term used for a genre of music. It is also the word for the culture consisting of four elements (djing, mcing, bboying, and graffitti). Just make a disambiguation page. It is illogical to have one article for two seperate things.76.105.7.183 (talk) 06:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. -RoBoTam 13:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I don't trust IP addresses. This anonymous user should not be considered for voting. In any event, "hip hop genre" and the "rest" of hip hop are not the two different things, they are exactly the same thing. Cosprings (talk) 15:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

If you have reason to believe they are a sock, I suppose you could spark an investigation, although you should probably assume good faith, especially since they have a clear history of editing hip hop articles with no complaints or warnings (This isn't a vote, by the way). Again, your opinion is respected, even if it is disagreed with (or not in the majority, for that matter. -RoBoTam 19:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Robotam, if you respect my opinion, how can you disagree so steadfastly? And how can you facetiously assert that my opinion is "not in the majority"? How can you believe that anyone who types in "hip hop" into wk wants to a see a disambiguation page? How can you believe that hip hop music and hip hop culture are separate things? Do you ever hear about people who are hip hop music fans but not hip hop culture fans? It is absolutely absurd. They are exactly the same thing.Cosprings (talk) 19:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

(1) Because, talk radio culture notwithstanding, editors can actually disagree, yet have the decency to respect the opinion of those on the other side of a discussion. (2) Not facetious at all. I would direct you to previous discussions you were involved in on the topic of a disambig page, where you were in the minority. Hey, it happens. (3) not trying to be "facetious" but...because, as above, they said so? (4) In the same way that I believe that New York City and New York State are seperate things. One being an element of the other does not make them the same. (3) All the time. Just like there were/are B-Boy dancers that don't like rap. The culture is based around the music, but is not solely comprised of the music, and that is why, in my opinion, your point of view is found wanting. -RoBoTam 21:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Capital H

It's spelled Hip Hop (We (Hip Hoppers) have been capitalizing the two words for years), this probably has something to do with the fact that they aren't just a couple of words they have a certain meaning (Hip = modern/relevant and Hop = movement) and placing the same emphasis on both words. Making it "Hip hop" would place more emphasis on relevance (modernness) and less on the movement itself so I'm pro capitalized "H"s.

Um...

What's with the lack of information regarding the millions of inner-city deaths that were the result of gang violence encouraged by this awful music?

Because there are no reliable sources backing up your claims? --Whip it! 06:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you have this confused with Gangsta Rap, and even then gangsta rap was about being real and telling the people about the streets, millions die due to their ignorance (gangs, drugs, money etc.) and even though it may seem like it, gangsta rap only put the worlds eyes into their world, no one died BECAUSE of gansta rap, dumb people died because of ignorance or just plain stupidity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.188.60 (talk) 05:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

You mean gangsta rap not hip hop, hip hop is the old school stuff like Public Enemy, gangsta rap like Eazy-E and Eminem are more associated with violence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalfan72 (talk • contribs) 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Two articles

This and hip hop music need to be merged at some point. Most of the other article could be incorporated in the history section this one, maybe leading to a new History of hip hop article.Zazaban (talk) 00:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as the hip hop music article (as it stands right now) is basically already a History of hip hop article, then I agree with this. The history parts of hip hop music and hip hop could be made into History of hip hop and the few remaining bits of hip hop music could be merged into here. Ideally, eventually, there should be separate hip hop and hip hop music articles, but it's a big mess at the moment, so merging would be the best way to start sorting it out. Crateescape101 (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The best move right now would probably be just move hip hop music to History of hip hop, since that's basically what it is, and add non-history stuff (which, as far as I can tell, is nothing) to this article, and other such stuff, afterwards. Some of he stuff here could go there, for example.Zazaban (talk) 23:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. Crateescape101 (talk) 00:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Latino Americans

Ok, now this article is getting stupid. Latinos, or any other ethnicity that made contributions later does not constitute the "creation" of Hip hop. THe people that started the art form, and created it where Black African Americans, with Jamaican influences. No one is denying the contributions of other people, but I can clearly see the agenda of the people working on this article.

So I guess now your going to add Europeans to the list of people who created Hip hop because Eminem is a popular rapper now?

Here is a vid from the 40s of AFrican Americans breakdancing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zu0dmom4og

• Great video! It highlights the influence of Capoeira | a martial art that mixes African and Brazilian native fighting styles on dance in the US, even as early as the 40. -96.255.122.45 (talk) 02:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Somebody please come fix this article. If this article continues along these lines I am going to start a petition directed to wiki for its obvious racist undertones in any AFrican American articles.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman1984 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

The involvement of Latino Americans in creating hip-hop is stated very clearly in the 2009 book "Foundation: B-boys, B-girls, And Hip-Hop Culture In New York" by Schloss, Joseph on Oxford University Press. It talks about the b-boy element of hip-hop and says -

"the early development of the dance took place among small groups of working class black and Latino teenagers... the dance developed in the context of an urban Latino environment... there were three basic stages to the development of the dance: the early rock dance of the '60s, which was Latino and citywide; Brooklyn rocking or uprocking, which was Latino and Brooklyn-based, and b-boying which is black and Latino and Bronx-based". Crateescape101 (talk) 23:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

In the documentary " The freshest Kids", The first latino b boy group called " The latin kings" state that hip hop, and breakdancing started out as an African American style then as it became less underground more people took to it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQAK0wbcwZc&feature=channel) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman1984 (talk • contribs) 03:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

An interview with "Crazy Legs" states himself how the latinos started breaking AFTER African Americans did. No one is denying their influence, but even one of the greatest bboys states this himself. "Davey D:I had a conversation with Kool Herc and he said there were some very distinct ways in which African Americans and Puerto Ricans approached b-boying. Could you shed some light on that?

Crazy Legs: I think the difference is when the brothas first started doing and it was at its infancy they weren't doing acrobatic moves. That didn't come into play until more Puerto Ricans got involved in the mid 70s. We then took the dance, evolved it and kept it alive. In '79 I was getting dissed. I would go into a dance and I would get dissed by a lot of brothas who would ask 'Why y'all still doing that dance? ThatÕs played out'. By 79, there were very few African American brothas that was doing thisÉ I one say one other thing. We always maintained the flava. It was like a changing of the guard and all we did was add more flava to something that already existed. We use to refer to it as Moreno style or Cocola style. That was just the slang back then. There were certain Top Rocks called Latin Rock"(http://www.daveyd.com/crazylegsinterview.html) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman1984 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The book Foundation interviews many of the original b-boys, and it also includes quotes and info from "The Freshest Kids" documentary - using all the information, the author comes to the conclusion that Latinos were instrumental in creating breaking and hip-hop. Crateescape101 (talk) 13:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

That is only 1 book. No one is denying their influences, but the people who started it first were black Americans. Even the first Latino break dancers say this. If this wiki is supposed to put things in order than put the original founders seperate from everyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman1984 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

This 1 book quotes and references the people and documentaries you are talking about. The Freshest Kids is just 1 documentary, and Crazy Legs is only 1 b-boy. The book looks at all the evidence out there currently and has a section on the history. It is also the most current and most complete research into it. Crateescape101 (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

So this book overlooks the first black Djs who created the craft, and over looks the first b boys who created the craft first? Because of the first people who started , and created it were black, and its obvious the latinos joined after the culture wasn't underground anymore, why are they being put as creators of the culture? They participated, and evolved breakdancing YES, but started the culture? No. And if you watch that documentary, ALL of the original Latino crew state this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman1984 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The first founding people of the Music, and the art of b boying were black people. Latino contribution came later, and no one is belittling or denying it. But to say they are the creators of the music, b boying is an insult to myself, and black people. The first latino b boys called it " That moreno style" for a reason. If you look at all past documentaries, all of them clearly stated it was created, and started by black people. I'm not sure if this article needs to be reworded or have someone else organize, and write it, but the founding creators "black people" needs to be stated first.

Darkman1984 (talk) 17:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I've seen the documentaries, and so has the author of that book - as I previously mentioned it quotes from numerous sources, including the Freshest Kids documentary.

You have cherry picked a couple of quotes from a small number of b-boys, but the book takes into account all the interviews and all the information. The rest of your argument is in your own words - wikipedia goes off verifiable citations.

I have given the citation that I used, which clearly contradicts what you are saying, and it takes into account the things you are quoting. Crateescape101 (talk) 19:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Darkman, you can't just put anything you want into the article, especially when it contradicts the citations. It's called original research. Zazaban (talk) 20:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Now evidence of the dance forms are comming out and being posted on youtube. The lies on this page , and the obvious racist aims are becoming blatant. Black people have been doing these dance moves since the 40s. I posted the youtube link above, and there are many more sources along with that.

No one is denying other people contributions AFTER the creation. But the creation was from black people. Stop trying to add things into it. Fix this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman1984 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

"Now evidence of the dance forms are comming out and being posted on youtube. The lies on this page , and the obvious racist aims are becoming blatant. Black people have been doing these dance moves since the 40s. I posted the youtube link above, and there are many more sources along with that." first off, Racist?plz stop that, this isnt racist. Secondly, look up rocking, uropcking, and toprocking, look up salsa, merengue, bachata and cumbia rhythms(you can bboy to those beats, well alot of them). Lastly look up the actual book hes talking about. Latinos were fundamental in creating Hip Hop, and bboying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.188.60 (talk) 05:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok since nobody can agree wether latinos helped create hip hop or not, then can there please ATLEST be sections for the Latino contributions, firsts, and later influence on every section?if not the just one big section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.210.90 (talk) 06:59, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Part of the issue here may be a clear misunderstanding of the demographics of the Bronx, particularly the relationship between African-American and Hispanic culture within the Bronx. Besides the fact that from the 60's forward, Hispanics have outnumbered African Americans in the Bronx, the evidence is clear, and cited, that both Hispanics and African Americans were present and instrumental at Hip hop's inception, and that Hip hop borrowed from not only Jamaican roots culture, but salsa & merengue as well. "Black people have been doing these dance moves since the 40's" is a logical fallacy, as (1) said dancers were not involved in Hip hop culture, and (2) Cubans, Puerto Ricans Asians and Russians were also doing dance moves that Hip hop borrowed from, in the 1940s and before. The ad hominem (and disengenious) cries of "racist," in the absence of such, are not helpful, unless one's goal is to not be taken seriously. There's enough stuff out here that is actually racist, without defining it as: "Someone I disagree with," or "someone with whom I may not get my way, even though I've likely been proven wrong." -RoBoTam 18:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

"Latinos joined after the culture wasn't underground anymore" is simply a false statement. "DJ Disco Wiz" was active shortly after Herc, and is credited with creating Hip Hop's first mixed dub recording in 1977. Many MCs and DJs such as Prince Whipper Whip were simply assumed to be African American, in the same way Teena Marie was assumed to be non-white when she first recorded. -96.255.122.45 (talk) 03:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, first of all, some of you act like Latinos are a race. It is not considering the black population in Cuba, the indigenous population in Mexico and the white population in Argentina. Second, Hispanic means "of or pertaining to Spain." Hispanic people are people from the European nation of Spain, people that are inhabitants of the European nation of Spain, or people of Spanish descent ie. white people. Third, none of you have any proof that hip-hop dance borrowed from salsa and merengue (I bet none of you would admit salsa and merengue has African influences) because it's FALSE. Poplocking and other supposed hip-hop dances are NOT descended from or associated with any other group except black Americans. Did so-called "Latinos" made an impact on hip-hop? Yes. However, saying so-called "Latinos" contributed to its initial creation is false. Hip-hop was a black American creation with the help of a black Jamaican named Kool Herc. B-Machine (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

"Hispanic is also used by people in the United States who are of Hispanic American origin (Hispanic and Latino Americans). Cultural elements (Spanish names, the Spanish language, Spanish customs, etc.) and people known as Hispanic can also be found in other areas that were formerly part of the Spanish Empire, such as in Equatorial Guinea in Africa, or in the Spanish East Indies." -http://en.wikipedia.org/Hispanic

"In other words, there were three basic stages to the development of the dance: the early rock dance of the '60s, which was Latino and citywide; Brooklyn rocking or uprocking which was Latino and Brooklyn-based; and b-boying, which is Black and Latino and Bronx-based. Within this basic framework, it is not difficult to see how three constituencies-Brooklyn Latinos, Bronx Latinos, and African Americans-could have three totally different perspectives on the history. " -quoting Schloss http://en.wikipedia.org/Hip_hop_dance Respectfully still waiting on some verifiable, reliable cite to the contrary. -RoBoTam 18:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Unbelievable. Like I said, if you're not from Spain or if you're not of Spanish descent, you're not Hispanic. Period. Do you hear people from Jamaica, the United States, and Barbados saying they're Anglo or British? No, unless one is of English descent. And there are a lot of people of indigenous descent like Mexicans of Aztec/Mayan descent who reject the Hispanic and Latino labels, rightfully so. Go to Youtube and type "not hispanic not latino" and you'll see for yourself.

As for your other paragraph, what exactly makes you think Schloss is correct? Early rock dance? Rock and roll music started in the 1930s and is a descendant of blues. There were plenty of rock dancing in those days. Despite what you think, nothing about that statement proves anything. I'll be back. B-Machine (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• Not rock & roll dance. "Rock Dancing." The immediate predecessor of the "Brooklyn Rock" dance, which is the immediate predecessor of uprock. -RoBoTam 20:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Beatboxing?

Now however important beatboxing is to hip hop, why is it one of the "pillars?" There are only 4 pillars, djing, mcing, breakdancing and graffiti. Its ridiculous that beatboxing is included in the list, especially with no citations, i think it should be deleted.

Killanator (talk)

Removed lines flagged with "citation needed"

I've removed the following lines, that have "citation needed" flag for 6 or more month and look like untrue:

• The term "hip hop" also followed logically the previous African-American music culture of "Bebop".

--Appletangerine un (talk) 12:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Lede

I removed the drivel about 'artistic commitments' and similar tripe from the lede. It is uncited, highly politicised, factually dubious, and was inserted seemingly randomly in the middle of a number of vandalism reverts, thus evading the normal detection process for weeding out gobbledygook of this sort. --86.177.180.159 (talk) 02:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Rename article

I suggest that this article gets renamed "Hip hop culture". When people say "hip hop", they are normally talking about the music, not the culture. I suggest that when "hip hop" is searched, it should lead to the disambiguation page, which has links to both Hip hop culture and Hip hop music. Having this article, which is about hip hop culture, titled "Hip hop" alone is misleading as it would be to have the article about Punk subculture entitled simply "Punk". Matthew Fennell (talk) 23:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Support..I think you should mention this at the Hip hop Wikiproject before any move happens though! they seem to have talk about it a bit..Buzzzsherman (talk) 23:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

"'Support"' - I'd say go ahead and be bold. ClovisPt (talk) 23:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Support - when I first came to this article it took me some time to work out where the music was, this would help solve that problem.--SabreBD (talk) 06:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Hip-Hop music is a sub element of Hip-Hop culture... b-boying and graffiti came before the music. With Punk it's different because the music is the main thing and the culture is secondary, but in Hip-Hop it is the other way around, hence why Hip-Hop leads you to the page where all the elements can be found. Crateescape101 (talk) 09:58, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Support and comment - B-boying and graffiti originated in inner-city urban culture, as did rapping and hip hop. Yonskii (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Support I agree with your reasoning. // Gbern3 (talk) 07:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

MCing/rapping

Are MCing and rapping synonymous? Rapping is one way to be an MC, but toasting and generally chanting or yelling things into the mic to get the crowd going is MCing as well, having said that, writing elaborate verses to match a beat on a record isn't really MCing, is it? Dubstep, dancehall, jungle and dub are other examples of music styles that employ MCs, but they don't necessarily rap. Hip-hop has its roots in soundsystem culture as much as any type of underground UK dance music does and this is where the MC in hip-hop stems from as well (though rapping has different cultural origins). Sadly, many figures in hip-hop (especially rappers) have no clue what soundsystem culture is about, but I still believe it's important to make the distinction between MCing and rapping. They're not the same, outside and even within a hip-hop context. As the old saying goes, "A good MC knows when to shut up", this is something that doesn't apply to rapping.Seeofseaof (talk) 20:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

For Gods sake - Samples

Hip Hop is ALL about samples. The article should at the very least have a section on Samples with the main famous samples eg Ohio Players The Funky Worm Eric Wright and 145th St Band (Eazy E's Father!) - NWA Express Your Self Kool and the Gang - Summer Madness Chic Good Times - Sugar Hill Gang Rapper's Delight OPP (naughty by nature) - ABC jackson 5 It Was a Good Day - by Ice Cube Isley Brothers Footsteps in the Dark Aerosmith - Walk this Way : Run DMC - Walk this Way

I could go on... Lets just stick to the good ones. For anybody who likes 'new' hip hop I suggest you listen to 99 problems by ICE T not Jay Z. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.119.164 (talk) 04:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Krumping

There is no mention of Krumping, I would consider it a hip-hop dance style? What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.4.69.182 (talk) 07:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Duplications

Uhhh... deet de de!!! hello, theres already one of these articles except BETTER. It's called "hip hop music. and the only diffrents about the 2 is that yours looks like it was typed by a ghetto-rat. No offense and some people do appreciate this article but you have to do a little snooping around before you strike, do you know what I mean. I'm suprised it hasent been deleted, but unfortunatley i dont have the power to do that at the moment. Make sure not to "duplicate" anymore articles or you will be blocked or possibly kicked off. MajorHawke (talk) 03:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Diversification: Delete or Rewrite

This section should be re-written to talk about the diversification of the sub-cultural philosophy and activities; how it diverges between American regions (LA, Mid-West, NY), between world regions (France, Japan, Brazil, Ect.), between class/income level, between races, and generations of participants. Even more in depth, would be to talk about how it has evolved in each of these sectors over time. This section as it is currently published seems to primarily focus on the diversification of hip hop music (MCing, and DJing) which is too focused for the purpose of the article. This article aims at the broader idea of hip hop and it's various elements and this section should aim to uphold that thesis. Even as the article stands, it appears non-neutral. There are numerous statements made which are not grounded with citation. Many of these same statements lack proper grammar and use loaded language to describe points which seem only vaguely related to the topic of "Diversification."

This section could also be useful for redirecting people to articles pertaining to gang culture, beatboxing, ect. Saveone (talk) 04:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

hip hop

people may not know but a successful rapper in ohio jcurt is becoming very well known he is changing hip hop as we speak —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.188.178 (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:nobody cares , WP:NOONECARES , WP:GARAGE Ald™ ¬_¬™ 19:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

The Meaning behind hip hop. Hip hop tells a story behind those lyrics. They mean more than words, they express anger, sadness, or happiness. It has been made loud and clear throughout hip hop that there has to be a change in society and we need to take part in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coralnunez (talk • contribs) 01:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Merging assistance

At Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Conscious hip hop the result was to merge Conscious hip hop into Hip hop. Merging it to this page in the styles section would give this minor genre undue weight. The same is true for Hip hop music. List of hip hop genres is formatted as a pure list and doesn't really have any place to put prose. Where should I move this content? Someone help me. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

"Rap music," not "hip hop music"

According to KRS One and Afrika Bambaataa, the word "hip hop" refers to the culture, not the music. This has been the definition since the late-1970s/early-1980s. The term "hip hop music" is incorrect, and KRS One has articulated this in many of his songs and lectures. However, this incorrect term is still used many times throughout the article. The correct term is "rap music," not "hip hop music." The term "hip hop," which, by the way, is correctly described in the lede, refers to the culture as a whole, which is made up of the four pillars -- MCing (aka "rapping"), DJing, breakdancing, and graffiti. "Rap music" is a musical expression of hip hop culture and typically combines one or two of the pillars (MCing, DJing, or both). (And more recently, as "rap music" has become more mainstream and is no longer reliant on turntable sampling alone, the term has come to include other aspects of professional music production that are required to create a modern rap track.) But despite the evolution of this genre of music, the terminology remains the same: the proper nomenclature is "rap music," not "hip hop music." Cheers, ask123 (talk) 19:45, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

also according to KRS, it's spelled "Hiphop".72.184.233.201 (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Morris Heights

Morris Heights is historically a 55-61% Hispanic, 34-38% African-American community. Labeling either it or Sedgewick as solely "African-American" is clearly misleading, whether intentionally done so or not. -199.173.225.33 (talk) 13:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Morris Heights has (historically) one of the highest Hispanic populations in NYC: "While Hispanics are found in almost every neighborhood in the city, the greatest number of them live in the Bronx, particularly in Soundview, University Heights, Fordham, Bedford Park, Morris Heights, and Co-op City. " Further, "In the Bronx, Hispanics accounted for nearly one-half of the borough's population. Black nonhispanics, the next largest group comprised 31 percent, and white nonhispanics were 15 percent. The substantial Hispanic presence includes the more established Puerto Rican population, Dominican immigrants who arrived in large numbers in the 1970s and 1980s, and myriad other Hispanic groups, ranging from Mexicans to a variety of Central and South American populations." In "The New Bronx," Denton Tarver notes, "As the residents left or were driven out, a new face of the Bronx emerged. Puerto Ricans were coming in record numbers during the 1950s (think West Side Story), and blacks from Harlem were moving north (think Colin Powell, the future general and politician). The South Bronx went from being two-thirds white in 1950 to being two-thirds black and Puerto Rican in 1960." Even if none of this were true, the assumption that Morris Heights was a majority African-American community would have nothing to do with the fact that Hip Hop, during the early 1970's began with the presence of both African-Americans and Hispanics. If you disagree with that, cite something more reliable than personal opinion. -RoBoTam 13:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Commercialization

The first paragraph of this section is terrible, I think it should be completely removed. The meaning of the commercialization of hip-hop is that change has occurred over time in order to serve the economic interest of the industry. What a child, with no memory of pre-mass-market hip-hop, thinks about this is neither notable, relevant, or credible. The fact that the child then goes on to attribute violence in an impoverished community to music is outlandish, and purely a product of the ignorance the child has for the causes of violence, and perhaps the producer of the film too. The other paragraphs are very good and with statements attributed to notable authors. If someone who is a regular editor on this article agrees, please remove it; i think it is unsalvageable. I'm not going to remove it because it will just get reverted. The grammar is just as bad as the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.96.229.49 (talk) 14:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

we are 99% movement

the we are 99% movemnet is birthed from the Hip Hop movement. As one of the possible originals who coined the term, and helped organize the movement, I can personally be a witness to the 99% movement being birthed from the 5% and Hip Hop movement. I have sources but they are just personal blogs even named weare99percent that have been around much longer than OWS. Just thought it was a note of interest for the people that know what Hip Hop culture is really about. You started this! Dont let anyone say different cause I was/am there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.236.87 (talk) 19:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hip Hop Films

I edited the Hip-Hop Media section by contributing some films that illustrate the lifestyle from which hip-hop was born. "Boyz in the Hood", and "Menace to Society" were among these. I also labeled some movies that focus on the lives on individual rappers and hip-hop stars; such as, "Get Rich Or Die Tryin'", and "Notorious". If there are any other movies that illustrate the point of the Hip-Hop Media category, then please share! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bman8420 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

African American AND Hispanic American

This statement is supported by the three references given, as well as:

• 'The origins of hip-hop and rap lie in 1970s New York African American and Latino/a dominant inner city areas as the Bronx, the Lower East Side, and Harlem' (Allatson 2007, p. 199)

• 'Hip hop culture began in the 1970s in the Bronx among African-American, Latino and Carribean youth... ' (Turner 2003, p. Xxvi)

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