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First of all, what was written was not my claim (you write you announced that it would take you several weeks to present sources for your claim) and I can't ever recall claiming anything related to the topic so I cannot explain another user's edit ( ) because I don't know what he had in mind. Frasheri makes it pretty clear that the Kastrioti family was from the Sine region, but I haven't found in the book where he proposes Skandernbeg's birthplace to be. He does, however, say: Me dy nentor 1985, ne fshatin Sine te rrethit te Dibres u perurua muzeu i Kastrioteve, nje muze lokal me permasa modeste, por me nje permbajtje te madhe historike. Ai i kushtohet familjes se shquar te Kastrioteve dhe vendlindjes se Gjergj Kastriotit Skenderbe. (). I will continue to search for more sources.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 05:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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First of all please stick to this policy. Mentioning South Slavic instead of all of the Slavic languages is common practice in many articles that aren't related to a particular South Slavic ethnic group(especially articles of names), because users tend to exclude all other languages except for their preference and that leads to edit wars i.e on Stefan Crnojevic the title mentioned both Montenegrin and Serbian , but an IP removed Montenegrin etc.--— ZjarriRrethues —  15:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Spani-Talkpage

Please don't use my talkpage as a medium for NPA. Btw on Koja Zaharia when you reached the 3RR I could have reported you immediately but I didn't because I'm assuming good faith. As for articles: No one has the right to act as if they are the owner of a particular article. on wikipedia and if a user asks you not to edit their user pages, it is probably sensible to respect their requests i.e I'm going to archive your message and ask you to respect my request and you could also ask me to not contact you via your talkpage, which would be absolutely sensible and respectable. Btw feel free to start any article that I 've started as a draft as I don't consider that the subjects are my property or that I have exclusive rights to write articles about them just because I've started a draft. That being said please don't compare 614-character drafts with actual articles that have a content of c. 2k. Writing a decent article requires some research and time i.e I started writing the article Spani family after finishing Alessio Span, but because I tried to write a decent article I finished it later than your draft. --— ZjarriRrethues —  13:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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National Library of Serbia

Please don't blank out sourced content on National Library of Serbia. The event is relevant to the topic and is accurately presented per the sources. I shortened the parts that deal with the event per your request about undue weight but don't blank it out again. Btw--— ZjarriRrethues —  12:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Srbi i Arbanasi

Here you have online version: Milan Šufflay, Srbi i Arbanasi (1925).--Zoupan (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Stefano Magno

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There is a problem at Template:Did you know nominations/Avram Miletić. SL93 (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 January newsletter

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• 12george1 (submissions) was the first to score, with his good article review of Illinois v. McArthur.
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DYK for Avram Miletić

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Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Extremistic actitivity in Partition of Albania

Due to the latest canvassing campaign, I believe you need to know that you have been in the list of anti-Albanian users ], by User:Euriditi and Olsi. Hopefully their childish battleground mentality has to stop.Alexikoua (talk) 22:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

What's sick in this situation is that he is asking other people to add additional names of suspected activity. Complete wp:battle activity.Alexikoua (talk) 15:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Photo of borek shop

OK, so the photo you removed from the Börek article was not the best. (not well focused, bad framing) But it DID show a typical Borek shop, including the usual table and chairs outside and, if you look closely, an open kitchen behind the sales counter. Can we find a better picture to include these features? (As for placement of the next section's photo, that problem can be solved in a variety of ways). --@Efrat (talk) 07:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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International Boundary Commission

Some references you may find helpful: ] and especially ].Alexikoua (talk) 16:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Pashalik of Yanina

I am trying to clear up the backlog of split tags. You have asked for and have support to split this article. Unfortunately, I cannot determine what you want to do enough to be able to make the split. Would you be willing to make the split? Op47 (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

There's no deadline per se, I am just trying to find out what your intentions are, and to prevent the issue becoming delinquent. There are other articles that have been tagged for over a year, 3 months is not a problem. Regards Op47 (talk) 10:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Baleč

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Map on Sati (castle)

Hi, Antidiskriminator, I saw your message at Template:Did you know nominations/Sati (castle). I guess it's okay to keep the map as is for now, but of course, it would be better if the map author can generate a correct version as soon as possible :) Thanks for your efforts! — Toдor Boжinov — 12:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hey. I see your article Independent Albania hasn't been deleted. That is good for you, I know myself how frustrating it is when your hard work gets proposed for deletion. No hard feelings I hope, as I did vote to delete your article. Just while I'm here could you just look over this: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ottoman Empire. There are some threads need answering. Cheers. Uhlan 06:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Γιάννενα

Off course, by the way I assume that P. of Ioannina was the realm of Ali?Alexikoua (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Translation request

I will try to translate as close to the original as possible. Not aiming for pretty English. My comments in "". Unfortunately the link to the source does not work for me. Please feel free to ask if something is not clear.

By this , he achieved to be allotted/granted a payed position in Skutari. 140 The land estate of the Humoj was still substantial. Since 1441, Radic and Maran Humoj administered Gleros near Skutari which once was in possession of the Bonzi. 141 Quasi to affirm his family's claims, Andreas Humoj went to Venice in 1464 and told of the deeds of his ancestors. Eight years later he returned to the lagoon . The purpose of this trip is not known. At the height of the fight over Skutari another mission of the Humoj arrived in Venice: they recapitulated the history of a family which had fought for Venice for many decades and which had thereby lost many of its members. Proudly the Humoj pointed out that already the third generation of Humoj was serving the Signoria. 144 All of their ownership titles were confirmed once more. However they did not enjoy their lands/real estates and functions/offices for long. Like the Moneta many Humoj died in the Ottoman wars : among those who died in the battles of Skutari there were also Koja, Tanush, Duka, Michael und Piero Humoj.145 In view of these events, the destiny of Andreas Humoj appears puzzling: He committed treason and was sentenced to death by general captain Triadan Gritti. The judgement was enforced by a Tuzi.

Done. bamse (talk) 09:53, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Re-checked, but it certainly says "a Tuzi" . Perhaps, if the people from Tuzi are called Tuzi (not sure whether they are), could that make sense? Maybe ref 146 could help? bamse (talk) 22:57, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Skenderbeg Crnojević

Expand x5 and nominate to DYK - Do you have any sources that we can expand with?--Zoupan (talk) 20:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Kastrioti Family

1 "Dictionarium Latino Epiroticum", Fransiscus Blanchus 2 Britannica Encyclopedia, Albania, Medieval Culture, 2007 hello my friend, thοse sources concern strong above the implicit there, that Kastrioti family is of Byzantine Greek origin. These are my edits wherever you can use them, I am really bored to occupy with ... see you. --109.242.113.155 (talk) 01:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed your message on my talk page pointing to medieval primary source and tertiary source (Britannica Encyclopedia) which support your evaluative claim that Kastrioti family is of Byzantine Greek origin. Please have in mind that according to Misplaced Pages policy "Articles may make an analytic or evaluative claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source."

Therefore before adding this claim to any article please try to provide a reliable secondary sources like I did when I added information that Kastrioti family name has been derived from the Greek word κάστρο using three secondary academic sources. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank's for you interest. Yes, but what happens since there is a strong evidence back in time for an element like this? (I mean Byzantine Periode, Greek name - κάστρο- etc) plus there sould be sourced the opinion of the albanian(?) origin of kastrioti family wikipedia policies claim that unsourced material may be challenged and removed!

2. On article George Kastrioti Skanderbeg I noticed that the source claims Skanderbeg always signed himself as “Lord of Albania” and claimed no other titles but that in official documents. So it's Lord of Albania not Albanian lord as incorrectly stated in the first paragraph --109.242.115.155 (talk) 00:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Skanderbeg always signed himself as “Lord of Albania” and claimed no other titles but that in official documents.

I think that you are right that the mentioned does not support the assertion that Skanderbeg was the lord of Albanian nation. Still, it would be equally wrong to assert that Skanderbeg was the "Lord of Albania". Here is why:

1. It is incorrect that Skanderbeg always signed himself as “Lord of Albania”. There are many documents signed by Skanderbeg which don't mention "Lord of Albania" title.
2. Even if we suppose that it is true that Skanderbeg always used that title when signing himself, that doesn't mean that he really was the Lord of Albania. Southern and central part of Albania were under the Ottoman control since 1417-1419 (Vlore, Gjirokaster...) while the biggest coastal cities (Shkoder and Durres) and their surrounding were under the Venetian control. Rest of the territory were mouintains scarcely populated by many different tribes whose chieftains were oftern opposed to each other and even frequently fighting against each other. Therefore it is obviously absurd to claim that Skanderbeg was a lord of Albania even if he always signed himself like one (which he didn't).
3. You are right that, based on the mentioned source, it is wrong to define Skanderbeg as the leader of ethnic Albanians. Skanderbeg's rebellion was not fostered by language or any feeling of belonging to an ethnic group. Also, besides local Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs and Vlachs a significant part of his forces were Venetian or Napolitan forces together with mercenaries of different nationalities.

Based on the above rationale I think that assertion about Skanderbeg being either Lord of Albania or Lord of Albanians should be avoided.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Sebil (drinking water facility)

I do not understand. merge the article with what ? . פארוק (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

my English is not so good. please tell me what do you mean ? . פארוק (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it's not at all similar.

in Israel it intended also to camels / beasts of burden who passed by the way. פארוק (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

now i'm checking the hebrew articale and saw it is the same like the Sebilj . פארוק (talk) 18:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Ottoman categories

All right, I will move all categories. PANONIAN 11:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)