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{{WPTAIWAN}} |
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{{WPCHINA|class=start|importance=top}} |
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==Move== |
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==Move request== |
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|current1=Demographics of China|new1=Demographics of the People's Republic of China|current2=Demographics of Greater China|new2=Demographics of China}} |
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|current2=Demographics of China|new2=Demographics of the People's Republic of China|current1=Demographics of Greater China|new1=Demographics of China}} |
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*'''Support''' -- This is an article about the area now govered by PRC. There is no reason to include the word "greater" in it, even if Sinkiang and Tibet are not (or were not) ethncially Chinese. ] (]) 14:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' -- This is an article about the area now govered by PRC. There is no reason to include the word "greater" in it, even if Sinkiang and Tibet are not (or were not) ethncially Chinese. ] (]) 14:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*<s>'''Support'''. China, People's Republic of China and Mainland China are different concepts. ] (]) 15:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> |
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*<s>'''Support'''. China, People's Republic of China and Mainland China are different concepts. ] (]) 15:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> |
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*'''Oppose''' this is a redirect. ] (]) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:21, 19 March 2012</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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*'''Oppose''' this is a redirect. ] (]) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:21, 19 March 2012</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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*<s>'''Comment''': In the course of ] it was reaffirmed that other articles, categories, etc., wouldn't be affected. This principle was reaffirmed in CfD in ] and ]. But ] was moved. The move should be reverted. ] (]) 15:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> |
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*<s>{{anchor|August 2011}}'''Comment''': In the course of ] it was reaffirmed that other articles, categories, etc., wouldn't be affected. This principle was reaffirmed in CfD in ] and ]. But ] was moved. The move should be reverted. ] (]) 15:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> |
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** Coincidentally that's promised by the pro-camp in ]. ] (]) 07:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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** Coincidentally that's promised by the pro-camp in ]. ] (]) 07:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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***The 'pro camp' made no such promises in either the ROC move request or the PRC move request. Individual editors may have done so on their own behalf, and are free to change their mind as new evidence is presented. This point is effectively 'sour grapes' and has nothing to do with the move request here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]›<br/>‹]›</span></span> 20:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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***The 'pro camp' made no such promises in either the ROC move request or the PRC move request. Individual editors may have done so on their own behalf, and are free to change their mind as new evidence is presented. This point is effectively 'sour grapes' and has nothing to do with the move request here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]›<br/>‹]›</span></span> 20:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:::* Be civil. (And please read the closing statement of ROC -> Taiwan.) ] (]) 15:03, 22 March 2012 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose'''. The country is ] so the article ] has the right name and is in the right place. As for ] that currently is a redirect, and was before it was a summary article of different countries' demographics, not just that of China, so in either case moving it would be inappropriate.--<small>]</small><sup>]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">]</sub> 17:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose'''. The country is ] so the article ] has the right name and is in the right place. As for ] that currently is a redirect, and was before it was a summary article of different countries' demographics, not just that of China, so in either case moving it would be inappropriate.--<small>]</small><sup>]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">]</sub> 17:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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**<s> ] that other articles should not be affected by the PRC → China move. ] (]) 17:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> |
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**<s> ] that other articles should not be affected by the PRC → China move. ] (]) 17:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> |
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***That's just a link to this page, and I don't see anything in the other discussions (two closed 'no consensus' so nothing was decided, the other was the page move to ] which established that's the common name for the country).--<small>]</small><sup>]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">]</sub> 18:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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***That's just a link to this page, and I don't see anything in the other discussions (two closed 'no consensus' so nothing was decided, the other was the page move to ] which established that's the common name for the country).--<small>]</small><sup>]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">]</sub> 18:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment'''. ] should not exist as an article. It should be a disambiguation page either at ] or ].--] (]) 18:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment'''. ] should not exist as an article. It should be a disambiguation page either at ] or ].--] (]) 18:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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**<s> From what's mentioned above in this talk page this entry, currently an article with four short sections in summary style, had used to exist as a disambiguation page. ] (]) 18:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> |
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**<s> From what's mentioned above in this talk page this entry, currently an article with four short sections in summary style, had used to exist as a disambiguation page. ] (]) 18:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)</s><small>blocked and banned as sock</small> <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:15, 19 March 2012 {{diff|diff=482787503|oldid=482783842}}</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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*** When? (Is there any SPI evidence, by the way?) ] (]) 07:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*** When, 119.237.156.246? (Is there any SPI evidence SchmuckyTheCat, by the way?) ] (]) 07:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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****Ask one or both of the administrators who commented on the block directly. This question has nothing to do with the move request. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]›<br/>‹]›</span></span> 20:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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****Ask one or both of the administrators who commented on the block directly. This question has nothing to do with the move request. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]›<br/>‹]›</span></span> 20:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*****That was a question for SchmuckyTheCat. ] (]) 15:03, 22 March 2012 (UTC) |
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* Er this article is a redirect... What the hell is being done here? -- ] <]> 18:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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* Er this article is a redirect... What the hell is being done here? -- ] <]> 18:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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**I recently changed the article into a redirect as I saw no reason for its existence. It was orphaned anyway. If this seems to be controversial, then revert and go through the bureaucratic processes. If we had comprehensive Greater China statistics then perhaps there is a reason to keep it - anyone want to add the numbers? --] (]) 01:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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**I recently changed the article into a redirect as I saw no reason for its existence. It was orphaned anyway. If this seems to be controversial, then revert and go through the bureaucratic processes. If we had comprehensive Greater China statistics then perhaps there is a reason to keep it - anyone want to add the numbers? --] (]) 01:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - "China" is the title of the country article, so logically we should have "Demographics of China". "Demographics of the People's Republic of China" could be potentially confusing to the reader (...are China and the People's Republic of China different countries? if not, why different names? etc...). ] <small>]</small> 21:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - "China" is the title of the country article, so logically we should have "Demographics of China". "Demographics of the People's Republic of China" could be potentially confusing to the reader (...are China and the People's Republic of China different countries? if not, why different names? etc...). ] <small>]</small> 21:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. The main article was moved to "China", so the title of the demography article should correspond. Descriptive titles should be consistent with the corresponding main title, not with each other. A lot of "People's Republic of China" articles really need to be moved now. ] (]) 06:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. The main article was moved to "China", so the title of the demography article should correspond. Descriptive titles should be consistent with the corresponding main title, not with each other. A lot of "People's Republic of China" articles really need to be moved now. ] (]) 06:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', either as a disambig page or in the summary style. ] (]) 07:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''', either as a disambig page or in the summary style. ] (]) 07:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''', this title is a redirect, and the Demographics of China article is correctly placed in reference to the country of China. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]›<br/>‹]›</span></span> 13:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''', this title is a redirect, and the Demographics of China article is correctly placed in reference to the country of China. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]›<br/>‹]›</span></span> 13:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*Support. Consistency should applied across articles such as Culture of China, History of China, etc., where the word 'China' covers both Chinas of the divided China. ] (]) 10:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*Support. Consistency should applied across articles such as Culture of China, History of China, etc., where the word 'China' covers both Chinas of the divided China. ] (]) 10:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
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**The nominator doesn't generally vote on his own nomination, Jeremy. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]<br/>‹]›</span></span> 01:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC) |
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**The nominator doesn't generally vote on his own nomination, Jeremy. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-size:0.75em">– ] <span style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1em">‹]›<br/>‹]›</span></span> 01:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC) |
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***It was a response on consistency. ] (]) 10:12, 23 March 2012 (UTC) |
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***It was a response on consistency. ] (]) 10:12, 23 March 2012 (UTC) |
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* '''Question''' The proposal is to...create a double redirect? I don't really think this redirect should exist at all, there's nothing it can really redirect to. ] (]) 14:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
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* '''Question''' The proposal is to...create a double redirect? I don't really think this redirect should exist at all, there's nothing it can really redirect to. ] (]) 14:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
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==Move discussion in progress== |
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There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at ] and not in this talk page section. Thank you. <!-- Talk:Demographics of Greater China crosspost --> —] 10:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC) |
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