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Just quit already

You're gonna burn in this world and the next! Best admin evar ! Ash=Fae=F4g (talk) 04:43, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

This comment fits a coordinated pattern I have seen of personal homophobic harassment directed against me over the last month on Twitter, Misplaced Pages Review, email, Wikimedia Commons and Misplaced Pages. I would like those that keep an eye on my user page to take note and reflect on whether the harassment policies we have for the Wikimedia projects are able to act effectively or efficiently when anonymous accounts, low contribution sock puppet accounts and manipulative traveling circuses are used to attack members of our community. Not all such attacks are as obvious as this one. Thanks Fæ (talk) 08:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• Just my 2 cents, I would have just WP:RBI and this thread wouldn't have existed to manifest that further. --Dave 09:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

• Too many people would not believe that this kind of talk exists if they did not see it. People who are not LGBT supporters do not have this happen to them. This has happened to me also on Misplaced Pages and it is scary that people would use their short time on this earth to harass other people. Hiding it in an attempt to keep it from manifesting further is what people have done for most of history, and that has proven to be an incomplete solution. I do not know what the whole solution is, but raising awareness of this reality is part of it. If it were an isolated random incident I would say to delete it, but it is not productive to ask the victims of a persistent, pervasive problem to do their best to prevent public disclosure of it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

• True, but not applying WP:DENY (part of WP:RBI) is just playing right into their hands, no? Moral of the story, why play the victim card? In the 1969 film "Battle of Britain", an irritated ACM Sir Hugh Dowding said: "I'm not very interested in propaganda. If we're right, they'll give up. If we are wrong, they'll be in London in a week!" --Dave 14:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Where I live if anyone spoke those words publicly or graffiti'd them then then no one would say that Fæ was insulted or a victim of vandalism; they would say that he was threatened and the target of a hate crime. Of course things are different at the keyboard but this behavior is representative of deeper problems on Misplaced Pages and as Fæ says there ought to be conversation about other protections. A part of the LGBT rights movement as well as other rights movements for face, religion, and other traits facing discrimination dictates calling for wider recognition of the prejudice against people representing minorities. Fæ is not playing a victim card; he is acting in accord with the movement consensus that allies of minority groups should tell others details about targeted attacks so that more people can understand that this is not a problem that any attack recipient has, but rather a problem which the community has to address. If the community does not hear about it then there can be no community response.

The vandals which ought to be ignored are the ones who are likely to go away. Fæ's situation is extraordinary because among other things it includes attacks off Misplaced Pages. It may not be socially appropriate for him to say that for humility or for not wanting to disturb anyone with his problems, but I confirm that what he is experiencing is hostile for reasons unrelated to his Misplaced Pages behavior. Even if attacks cannot be stopped he should get community support beyond what Misplaced Pages policies say should be afforded to those visited by mere vandals. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Harassment

Fae, I am sorry that you still seem to be undergoing harassment on enwp, and I am sickened by the fact that the Arbcom is totally spineless in doing anything about it. As someone who has undergone systematic and serial harassment myself in the past on this project, I am just letting you know that this is not on; one would have thought the community would have learned by now; but no, this community really does not give a shit. Ignore the trolls and keep doing what you are doing! Russavia 13:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, it is nice to know there are people around who can see that off-wiki harassment and threats being allowed to propagate onto Wikimedia projects is a serious problem for our whole community. It would be excellent if our processes could improve in a way that can reduce harassment of minority groups and find a way of making contributors in good standing feel they can work with others in a safe and positive environment. Recognizing that anyone making, or encouraging others to make, serious false allegations off-wiki (such as my experience of being called a sexual pervert, fraud, adulterer and naming my husband as part of these allegations) should never be allowed to continue engaging with the same editors they are harassing through their Wikimedia accounts would be a great start. I take your advice seriously and will try to ignore the trolls and the blatant travelling circus that continues to be canvassed off-wiki. --Fæ (talk) 14:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

(ec):I'll second that. "Sanctimonious twaddle" is one thought that's occurred to me. If inviting someone to fall on their sword, i.e. "do the Roman thing", isn't a personal attack, what is? As I see it, it's just a fancy way of saying "fuck off and die". Nortonius (talk) 14:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to be associated with those who support you. Whenever we have interacted those interactions have always been to the highest standard of behaviour. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

To be fair to VM, I think he was referring to how Cincinnatus stepped down from power after accomplishing his goals. If he was referring to the practice of suicide after disgrace, VM would have said "Do the Spartan thing." Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually at the time I was thinking more of Sulla but ok, with a stretch, Cincinnatus would work. I could've said "Nixonian thing" but I'm not sure if that would've been appropriate/accurate either.VolunteerMarek 15:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

or he was talking about Brutus8.14.165.3 (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• "I often do the Roman thing, when not doing the C12th – 15th Spanish thing, and have a beautiful outfit made from handwoven silk. ". "why Don't we do the Roman thing and Grant citizenship to those who do military service?". "It is temptingly easy to do the Roman thing - to hire a scooter (eg from Scooters for Rent, Via Cavour 199) - and ridiculously easy to fall off.""I almost wanted to do the Roman-thing and puke everything up so I could eat everything all over again but luckily I managed to restrain myself.".·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
• lol– all very interesting! But, I'm not sure I see the relevance, e.g. with Cincinnatus: surely in the present situation only Fæ knows if he's " his goals", so how could Fæ logically be asked to "resign" on those grounds? (not that there seems to be much logic in the original issue anyway, IMHO!) The only reasonable interpretation I've seen here so far is a reference to Brutus, per 8.14.165.3 above, and see e.g. here. Nortonius (talk) 15:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

It its obviously commonly used to mean simply "do the right thing" (even if uunpleasant).·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Well then, that's news to me! I've never seen or heard it used that way– the examples you give above refer to doing "particular things associated with ancient and modern Romans", e.g. "hire a scooter", which could be entirely fun and would be one option of many, including staying where you are! It's only "unpleasant" if you're unfortunate enough to do it and fall off! :o) Nortonius (talk) 15:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to hear

There are a few extremely mean-spirited people on Misplaced Pages. I guess that is inevitable when you consider how easy it is to become an editor. I am extremely sorry for any personal hurt you may have experienced. I thought this kind of thing was protected by Federal Law. I guess I was wrong.

You do good work here. Do not quit!!!! We need good editors. Mugginsx (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind thoughts, it's much appreciated. --Fæ (talk) 23:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Let's make this an opportunity to unhate!

The Fæ classy in crisis LGBT ally Barnstar!

Because we need to show our overwhelming support of what people hate on to create unhate whenever it shows up. I compel everyone that supports unhate to repost this on their user page or talk page and especially on any page that has been the location of LGBT harassment or ignorance, that way the haters will know the only consequence of their hate will be more gayness and education and community. LuciferWildCat (talk) 23:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm all for confronting haters back with a big dose of gayness and gay love. Cheers --Fæ (talk) 23:44, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

You must have missed that Russavia got one also. Right above the discussion on Polandballs :) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:55, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I was in a talk today with Bishop Gene Robinson who has his own (severe) personal experiences of harassment and death threats over the last few years, for obvious reasons. His view was that the opposite of love is fear, not hate. It's quite a well thought out point with regard to homophobic attacks and I rather like to think our Wikimedia community could consider a positive aim of ending fear through knowledge, communication and awareness rather than reacting to hatred. --Fæ (talk) 23:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure some chap in the Bible originated that viewpoint. Something about perfect love casteth out fear...? Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I was using a secondary source in line with policy. --Fæ (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

LOL :)Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

It is my honour:

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Fae, this is for your bravery at the ANI, the willingness to stand up to the abusive bullies who hold the majority there.—Djathinkimacowboy 04:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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		The Special Barnstar
		You deserve two commendations ... plus I just love the rainbow in this one. —Djathinkimacowboy 04:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. After a couple of days to think about it, I'm still disgusted at how a small number of people contributing to the ANI thread are arguing that telling anyone to fuck off with their queer agenda could be described as anything other than blatantly homophobic. I have raised the problem of unacceptable homophobia on Misplaced Pages with a couple of the WMF board members I had personal chats with at the Berlin Chapters Conference this weekend. --Fæ (talk) 23:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Hawkins

Hiya Fae. I posted a comment to User talk:Slp1#Hawkins that is directed at yourself just as much as User:Slp1, so I just wanted to drop a note here to notify you of that. Regards,
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 20:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Fae,

re: the AfD comment I made. I don't know, I guess I was just thinking outloud there. I've seen a lot of stuff over the last couple months that I just thought was not quite right. (the RfC, the "queer agenda" threads, etc.) I guess I'm saying there's a lot of wrong posts going on from both sides. I'm not sure that essay should be kept, but I did get some good intent from it. I've been called homophobic before, and that has hurt me - although I understand why. I don't know, just wanted to post my thoughts there. If there's something you want to talk about, you are always welcome at my talk or my email. Either way, I wish you the best. — Ched :  ?  15:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Unacceptable edits

This edit was unacceptable. It contained a very serious personal attack and you should strike it immediately. Furthermore, you really must stop calling other people homophobes or implying they are, unless you are 100% sure. It can be incredibly offensive to be branded as a homophobe, or a racist etc. I know from experience. During a recent ArbCom case, the Committee stated per policy, "as a matter of … effective discourse, comments should not be personalized. That is, they should be directed at content and actions rather than people." Disparaging an editor or casting aspersions is a personal attack, regardless of the manner in which it is done. The usual exception to this principle is reasonably expressed concerns raised within a legitimate dispute resolution process. In this case, you were most definitely not expressing your concerns in a reasonable manner and neither is Jimbo Wales' talk page part of Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution process. This is not the first time you've acted like this and so, please be aware that, since I consider it extremely inappropriate, if you persevere I'll have to start an ArbCom case against you. Salvio 12:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)