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Should be moved to Lil B

This should be moved over the Lil B redirect. I believe an admin has to do the move and a history merge. Others previously tried to create a stub article on Lil B, but sources were not available at the time, so the article was turned into a redirect.

Actually though, looking at the article, I'm not sure that notability has been established. Unless more sources are found (here, 1 is dead, and the other two are videos with some comments about him, not featuring him), we should consider deleting this. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Uh, yeah. Don't delete this. Blsupr (talk) 12:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide reliable sources to help verify that he's notable? That will help prevent the article from being deleted. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

CNBFTBGB — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.236.140.57 (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

Lil B (rapper) → Lil B — Previously, there was a very poor article at Lil B. As it contained no references, and it wasn't clear that the musician met notability standards, the article was redirected to The Pack (group), with whom Lil B recorded. Recently, another user created this page, which is far more substantial and clear. While I'm not 100% certain this article is notable, it seems most likely to (I can find references in MTV.com and the NYT; not too significant, but enough to retain, I think). As such, it should be moved back to the Lil B as per normal naming standards. Since that page has more history than just a simple redirect, I can't perform the move myself. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Jafeluv (talk) 09:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge

After User:Karppinen decided that this article didn't meet WP:MUSIC and redirected it to The Pack (group), someone recreated the article at Lil B (rapper). Now, this was an incorrect thing to do, as the editor should instead have disputed the redirect. In any event, though, I believe the article is now sufficient to show that Lil B meets WP:GNG, which should be sufficient to keep the article. Any user, of course, is welcome to recommend the article for deletion, however, if they disagree. To finish tidying up, I merged over some of the useful information from Lil B (rapper), and then redirected that article back to this one (since there is only one Lil B, this is the correct article title). Qwyrxian (talk) 01:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

The article could be better, but appears to meet WP:GNG guideline now. Well done, Qwyrxian. Karppinen (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Blsupr (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Birth day/ Age

Brandon McCartney or LIL B is 21 years old, which would have him being born on August, 17th 1989, not 1987. I don't know why that edit got reverted. Someone please change it back to 1989 because he makes numerous references in songs and interviews to being 21 years of age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.9.12.252 (talk) 19:59, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Could you please provide a link to one of those interviews? What we really need is a reliable source to verify when he was born. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Here is a Newspaper article: Washington Post article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.9.11.190 (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Citations for discography

Normally an artist's discography doesn't need citations. But the problem is people keep adding and removing albums all of the time, and I have no way to tell if they're accurate or not. So, apparently, information about his discography falls under "challengeable" info, and thus must be cited. So no more albums can be added unless a reliable source verifies them. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Place of birth?

Can anyone verify that he is in fact from Berkeley? I can't provide a source, but I'm pretty sure he actually grew up in Albany, California and/or attended Albany High School. Dwarfyperson (talk) 01:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

ever heard of busing? his school ID said albany high school but that doesn't necessarily say anything about where he actually lived. 71.167.229.39 (talk) 16:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

That is a valid point, but (again, not a reliable source) coming from albany myself, I know that not very many inter-district transfers are granted because it's such a small high school, and that people often confuse it with berkeley because it's such a small city. I'm still of the opinion that this should be looked into. Dwarfyperson (talk) 14:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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Lil B was born in 1989 not 1987. He always says so in his songs...

AdamWehib916 (talk) 04:48, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Unfortunately, his songs don't count as a reliable source, since nothing requires that he tell the truth in them. However, after checking the article, I see that our birthdate wasn't verified, either. So until we get a reliable source stating which date/year is correct, it needs to stay out entirely. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand why you think he'd want to lie about his age. Do you want a birth certificate or something? It's not like he's running for president of the United States, its an article on-line that no one should take seriously in terms of factual information anyway.Also, http://www.basedworld.com/?p=2627. Yes, its self published but the fact stands that again he's consistently being referred to as being born in 89. Unless he's lying, its Aug 17th 1989. I don't think articles should be built with the mindset that a man would lie about such a thing, otherwise we'd have no actual verification that his real name is Brandon McCarthy either. 24.161.42.2 (talk) 09:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

His blog actually counts as a reliable source for this info, but, unfortunately, that post doesn't say anything about the year he was born. Yes, the naked lady picture has an age, but I'm not willing to accept that picture as reliable. If he had written his age himself, we could accept it, but not the pic. I think. I suppose i could ask at WP:RSN...I'll do that tomorrow. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The one response at RSN (which you can read at WP:RSN#Birthday, in a picture, on a blog post.... agrees with my interpretation that the pic just isn't reliable enough to get a year from. If you do find a reliable source for the birthday, please post here and I'll certainly add it. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Does Myspace count? http://www.myspace.com/packalbums 24.161.42.2 (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Where on that page is his birthday listed? I can't find it (there's a lot of randomness on that page). Qwyrxian (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

It says he's 21 next to his picture topleft. In this case its not independent arithmetic; Myspace takes the birthday you give them and automatically spits out an age. 24.161.42.2 (talk) 07:29, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that we can use the two SPS combined to get the birthday & year. I can't add it right now, because I can't open up those websites at work (I want to get a full "cite web"), but I'll add them later. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright, it's added now. The dates are in both the infobox and the opening line of the lead, and the references are in the infobox. Thanks for the work tracking down the sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

Lil B should be listened under the category "Ambient musicians" and synthesizer should be added to his instruments. Source: http://pitchfork.com/news/40102-lil-b-releases-ambient-album/ 76.246.254.69 (talk) 20:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I added ambient as a category and to genres in the info box; however, while the articles says there is synthesizer sounds, it doesn't state that Lil B actually performed them. If someone owns the actual CD and can confirm that the liner notes indicate he himself performed the synthesizer, I'll add it. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Category

I removed the LGBT activist category. Naming an album "I'm Gay" is not sufficient to qualify as LGBT activism. There was no reliable source for the ambient genre either. Also, the article subject doesn't belong in the LGBT studies Wikiproject - the album would, if it were created. Hekerui (talk) 21:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I concur with that; not sure who added it; it may have been sincere, or it may have been vandalism--the article itself gets a lot of it when it's not semi-protected. Thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Alternate Definition?

How is happy considered the "alternate definition" of the word gay? It was the original -- and still denotatively standard -- definition of the word. If anything, it is homosexual that is the alternate definition of the word. -- Nonstopdrivel (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Because it's no longer the most common usage of the word. The main meaning of a word is not defined by which came first historically, its by the meaning that is most commonly meant when speakers/writers of the language use the word. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Birth year

The article states that he was born in 1989, yet he is filed under "Category: 1987 births". Well, which is it? 173.2.165.251 (talk) 09:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Good catch, thanks; after we corrected the birthday (see discussion above), I totally forgot about the categories. It's fixed now. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:29, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Mixtapes

Mixtapes are generally not considered to be relevant or notable contributions. I have removed the entire list. The only reason to list any of them would be if we could verify that 1) they existed and 2) that they were particularly important. Note that this needs to be verification in reliable sources, not from his homepage or twitter feed or whatever. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Lil B has not released any albums; he says he has only released mixtapes. The Albums section should be changed to Mixtapes. (Patrick) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.69.172.88 (talk) 11:36, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources call them albums, so that's what we call them. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You appear to be operating under the assumption that the individual mixtapes have to be notable. That is not the case. Please review WP:NNC and WP:LISTN. You do have a point that the mixtapes must actually exist, but that can be verified trivially with a google search. .froth. (talk) 08:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

No, I was merely misusing the word "notable", in that I was using in its everyday sense rather than it's Misplaced Pages-sense. I'm trying to say here that mixtapes are not considered important enough even to be listed. Mere existence is not enough to guarantee inclusion in Misplaced Pages; information also has to meet WP:UNDUE. And unless there is some evidence that these mixtapes are important, then they should not be included. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Let me draw an analogy: we do not list every letter written by a famous author. We do not list every blog post by famous blogers. We do not list every interview done my famous newscasters. We list information that is encyclopedic. And mixtapes don't meet that qualification. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Four of the mix tapes have full reviews on pitchfork, and I cited them. Therefore his mixtapes can be notable, they're not just ephemera like individual blog posts or interviews. But regardless of any of that, the ones I cited must stay, and you have no argument there. .froth. (talk) 21:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Is pitchfork a reliable source? I don't know anything about it, but I trust you if you say it is. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 65.32.198.138, 17 August 2011

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HE ISNT SIGNED TO A RECORD LABEL 65.32.198.138 (talk) 17:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: Based on the source listed he is signed to Amalgam Digital. Jnorton7558 (talk) 17:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Article title move

"Lil B" was moved to "Brandon McCartney" with the argument that the "bio requires real name". I can't find that argument in WP:COMMONNAME, but the policy states that "Misplaced Pages does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." This would mean Lil B, comparable to Lil Wayne. I propose the article be moved back with its protection setting. Hekerui (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

That's true for Lil Wayne. Lil B Is most commonly known as Brandon McCarthy.Greg Heffley 19:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

How? Rolling Stone, Allmusic know him as Lil B, he was in a notable group under that name and performs under that name. It's also all over his website, while his birthname is used twice: in "Brandon 'Lil B' McCartney" and in a quote from a magazine profile. Can you give a reliable source for the claim that he is commonly known as Brandon McCarthy? Hekerui (talk) 20:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, HereGreg Heffley 20:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The name Lil B is used five times in the book's description, the name Brandon McCartney is used once. He's not notable as an author. The title of this article must be Lil B per WP:COMMONNAME. Hekerui (talk) 23:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The title should be Lil B, it is with that name that he is known, and people will search that.Millertime246 (talk) 00:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

While it does appear that the book was published under his name, all of his albums (for which he is better known) and the associated interviews, etc. all uses Lil B, thus this is the correct name for this article. A redirect at his birth name handles the problem of anyone who might search based on that name. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Add a picture for the profile. thumb|Add caption here

Jhavon (talk) 06:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

No thanks, because that image is of unclear copyright status, and is certain to be deleted in 7 days. To be honest, I'm pretty sure that image is a screen capture of a tv show, which means that it definitely can't be used here. For living people, Misplaced Pages only allows images that are public domain or CC-BY-SA compatible; that basically means you have to have taken it yourself for it to be used here. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:16, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Not Signed To Any Label and hasn't released any solo album, tons of missing info and links etc

First off he is not signed to any label whatsoever. The amalagm digital thing was not what it says it is at all. All of his releases that are listed under albums are in fact just projects and not official albums and there are way no mixtapes listed at all (which is pretty much all he's been making for the past 2 years, and there sure is a lot of them, that definitely need t be put on here). You can check his official datpiff page for a listing of all his released mixtapes http://www.datpiff.com/profile/LilBtheBasedGod

His twitters aren't listed, nor is his tumblr page. Nor is his youtube account

This has got to be one of the most poorly written articles I've seen on wikipedia. Mikewantjustice (talk) 13:28, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Cooking...

...is not a musical genre, according to the ref Badmachine used. It says, "B's signature dance, which literally involves miming the act of cooking, " (emphasis added). That's not a musical genre, it's just a style of dance Lil B invented. Furthermore, even if it were musical rather than dance, it still would not belong in that infobox, because that infobox is for musical genres; genres cannot, by their very definition, be something that just one musical artist does. Until such time as dozens of artists all include some particular signature musical elements in their albums/songs, it's not a genre. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

cooking is much more than that, it is the staple for those who live BASED. I shall find more sources and elaborate on it in the article. -badmachine 23:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You will need to find sources explicitly stating that it is a genre in order to include it in that parameter. As I said, that means that a variety of different singers/bands use it. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

here -badmachine 04:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I have also changed "cooking" to "based" because, while they carry the same meaning in basedworld, the sources given call the genre "based". -badmachine 04:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Still not a genre, I'm still reverting you. It's just a term that Lil B invented for what only he does. As I said above, one more time, by the definition of genre, until it's something that lots of people do, until people start talking about the best "based" songs of 2011, until writers are arguing about whether based is an offshot of rap or of hip hop or whatever, it CANNOT be in the genre box. You may include discussion of it in the text, but it's just, not, a genre. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:31, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Where is your definition of genre coming from? Even so, there are other artists such as Yung God involved in based music. -badmachine 17:05, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Any dictionary, our WP article genre, etc. A genre, by definition, is something done by a group of people. Not by one person. And some random other non-notable person don't count...and you still haven't produced a single source that even implies that "based" is a genre. This discussion is, in all honesty, a waste of time. Come back in 5 or 10 years if there has become this big, widely recognized style of music called Based. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I have provided a reliable source claiming it to be a genre, as well as other artists involved. Those being your original criteria, I feel that at this point your argument is more of a JDL than anything else. -badmachine 13:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

No you haven't. The sfweekly source doesn't use the word genre at all. If I'm somehow just not seeing it, please tell me what exact line in that article includes the word "genre". Qwyrxian (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Instruments

Lil B's "Instruments" section in the infobox only contains "Vocal", while it is well known that he programs his own synthesiser sounds in his rare secrete Dior Paint albums — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.252.171 (talk) 09:41, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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HELLO I AM THE REAL LIL B "THE BASEDGOD" AND U ARE THE #1 SITE THAT COME UP ON MY GOOGLE SEARCH I WANT TO REVISE MY WIKI PAGE TO TELL THE TRUTH BECAUSE U HAVE ME SIGNED TO A LABEL THAT I DO NOT WORK WITH AND ASSOCITED WITH OTHER ARTIST THAT I DO NOT WANT TO BE I WANT TO GIVE YOU FACTS AND TRUTH PLEASE CONTACT ME ASAP BECAUSE THIS IS URGENT AS WELL AS YOU DONT HAVE INFORMATION ON THE FIRST BOOK I WROTE I WANT TO UPDATE EVERYTHING THIS IS MY PROFILE

THANK YOU WIKI THIS PAGE HAS OUT DATE INFORMATION http://en.wikipedia.org/Lil_B

MY SOURCES http://www.facebook.com/LILBTHEBASEDGOD

https://twitter.com/#!/LILBTHEBASEDGOD

http://www.kelebooks.com/our-books/takin-over/

THESE ARE ALL ME AND I HAVE MORE PLEASE LET ME NO ASAP! WANNA GET TO BOTTOM Of THIS

Drakescool (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

First of all, odds are a thousand to one that you are Lil B. Second, those are not reliable sources for this kind of information--please see WP:RS. Finally, though, just in case you are Lil B, you should not be editing the article, though you are free to make suggestions on this talk page. Please state exactly what you think is wrong, say what it should be changed to, and provide reliable sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

OK I GURENTEE THIS IS ME LIL B PLEASE CONTACT ME VIA TWITTER @LILBTHEBASEDGOD AND I WILL PROMISE TO CONTACT AND FOLLOW U BACK FOR DM BECAUSE I WANT TO EDIT MY WIKI PAGE THIS IS PRIVATE INFORMATION U GUYS ARE CREATING THATS NOT TRULY FACT SO YES THIS IS LIL B

CONTACT ME VIA TWITTER BECAUSE CANOT GIVE EMAIL OVER THE FOURM SO THIS IS ME

@LILBTHEBASEDGOD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drakescool (talk • contribs) 08:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

First, if you want to verify your identity, go to WP:OTRS and contact our community response team. But second, even if you are Lil B, as I said before, we will not add something to your Misplaced Pages page just because you say it is correct. We need the information to be verifiable--that means it has to be published in a reliable source somewhere. Also, please do not use such long section titles; and don't start a new section to reply to someone--just add it in the same section as before. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

found an image

would this work? 300px -badmachine 03:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

What possible use would that image have for this article? Qwyrxian (talk) 07:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

thats lil b isnt it? -badmachine 22:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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