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Good to see you back

I'm glad you've decided to edit directly again. I've restored your userrights. I hope you will keep to productive editing and this account until ArbCom can spare time from its very important stuff or whatever it is they do, to lift any remaining, vestigial restrictions.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Terima kasih ;) Don't ec/me I'm fussing with Brudage. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 01:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

He didn't much care for people fussing with him.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

He didn't know Merridew ;> Br'er Rabbit (talk) 01:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

No great need to fuss with the stuff from Munich on that I didn't write. This is complete makeover, none of that is staying.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I just fix anything in sight ;) I'll leave it to you for a bit. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 01:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Welcome back from me as well. :) — Ched :  ?  03:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Welcome back! N419BH 04:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Precious! "... very early in the morning ...", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
• Selamat kembali! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Terima kasih, folks ;) Br'er Rabbit (talk) 09:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Willkommen zurück. PumpkinSky talk 10:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I tell ya, it's those orange banners and /precious/. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 10:30, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• And another welcome from me too. You've clearly been doing a lot of great editing work for the encyclopedia, and it's nice to have you back in the open. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It will be nice to be able to speak plainly and with institutional knowledge. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 11:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC) (since 31 October 2004;)

• Good to see you again, Misplaced Pages was starting to suck more without you around. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

We do need to work on the suck-factor. I see what you've been up to and help as needed ;> Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

• Glad to see you back above board. Will try very, very hard not to call you Jack anymore. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll answer to "Jack", it's part of the "designated target" paradigm. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 15:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

• Nice to see you back! Buggie111 (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Fixing some battleships, today. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

We don't know each other, but having seen glimpses of conversations for a while, I get the odd sensation of recognizing a house one's driven by forever. Good to have you back, regardless. Cheers! Dru of Id (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

• Yes! :) Glad you're back. Acalamari 08:29, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

(not really been gone;) Terima kasih, Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Welcome indeed - My76Strat (talk) 21:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

see WT:AC. Teh House of FA in in whine-mode.

Help me, Sandy
Help, help me, Sandy
Help me, Sandy, yeah
Get him out of my face

Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:29, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

A nice cuppa

Just what you need (well, given that they don't have pink gin) Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC) Terima kasih. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 01:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

To celebrate the prodigal, they do now :D --RexxS (talk) 02:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC) Off for a drink in a bit, actually. Look out for the place ;> Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:14, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Dianna has brought you some raspberries! Have fun editing teh wiki :7 -- Dianna (talk) 05:36, 20 May 2012 (UTC) Oh, I am, I am (especially after an evening out drinking at 'junction';) and I /like/ raspberries. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 10:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Dutch treat! Wehwalt (talk) 10:46, 20 May 2012 (UTC) Terima kasih. I'll save'em for breakfast ;> Br'er Rabbit (talk) 10:53, 20 May 2012 (UTC) Orange juice and a long walk, plus about a quart of water to get things going, would be smarter.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:30, 20 May 2012 (UTC) I need to get more OJ. I just /had/ a long walk; about 8km of bar-crawl. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 11:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Darwinbish has stolen your stroopwafels! The stroopwafels made her happy and she'd like to give you a great big hug for leaving them where she could reach them. Spread the WikiLove by giving her some more baked goods, unless you want her boys to pay you a visit! darwinbish 12:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC).

   Done. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 13:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Need An Opinion

Was updating some of the broken references on the Stephens City, Virginia article and one is giving me grief. It is appears the website is having an "internal service error" with the URL for the article itself, so I can't pull of the link for the reference, but it is still on the newspaper's website archives (scroll down and look for "Shull sworn in as mayor of town"). Would the archive link (showing the page I have linked to currently) be enough for a reference or would I have to find an actual article. (Note: User:Wehwalt sent me your way) Welcome Back...Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

That page is not in the wayback machine. If the site doesn't perk up in a few days, you could just cut the link and cite the paper as Wehwalt's saying; or re-source the statement. I'd not bet on the site adding the old content per a request. Sorry. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think so either. I will go the Wehwalt route. Thanks Br'er, glad to have you back on Wiki. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Terima kasih. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Quick question, does this look alright? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Ya, except that you seem to have kept the wrong date. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I know, the date on the archive now says "June 30" instead of "June 29", so for the sake of clarity, I went with the online date. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Rabbits in the arts

Rabbits in the arts should be work for you (unless "hares" is better, debated) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Ref "improvements"

Why did you bother converting the ISBNs for the books in the USS Texas article over to the 978 prefix? That prefix has only been used in the last five years or so and none of the books cited therein used it as published. The ISBNs were usable as given so why spent time on something that makes no difference to a reader?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Help:ISBN links#Types

• Please use the 13-digit one if available

Br'er Rabbit (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, although I always viewed that as applying to newly-published books, not dictating any sort of retrospective conversion. Just wondering why you were spending your time on something that I saw pointless.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

There's a cool tool at http://www.isbn.org/converterpub.asp that gets the job done in only a few minutes. -- Dianna (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	Welcome back - Burpelson AFB ✈ 16:46, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to User talk:Malleus Fatuorum with this edit, did not appear to be constructive, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. -download ׀ talk 21:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did at User talk:Malleus Fatuorum with this edit. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. -download ׀ talk 21:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

• go away; look, again. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:17, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
  • You know, I like huggle, but it sometimes is hard to get context when looking through the huggle window. And the faster you edit the more mistakes you make. As I think was the case here. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Apologies for that - misinterpreted your intent with that image, especially considering the edit summary's section title. Sorry for the misunderstanding. -download ׀ talk 21:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
      • Got ya a baby trout. I thought it was because I momentarily blanked the page dealing with an {ec} Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Teresa Cristina

Thank you very much for having showed the error. I missed it. Glad to see that you're helping everyone. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. And congrats on her day. When it's over, revert most of the shite that happened. nb: I /am/ discriminating in who I'll help. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Use of pictures on user talk page

I just made this edit, removing the picture you added earlier here. I did this for two reasons: (1) The placement implied to those coming to that talk page that Malleus added that picture when he started the thread, and it's only when you look at the page history that it becomes clear that you added it; this coupled with the fact that Malleus last edited the page before you added the image (when his talk page looked like this), led me to think it was best to remove it. If you do re-add it, can you please make clear who added it. (2) The second reason (and this would be a reason for no-one to re-add it) is that using historically sensitive images like that on a user talk page thread feels wrong on several levels. It gives the impression that a flare-up on Misplaced Pages is being compared to a lynching (you said, referring to Halifax Gibbet: 'Seemed an apt topic given all the shite'; I'm not entirely sure what you meant by reference to the 'cultural gap that drives most of the bat guano insane stuff'). Even if that is not what you intended, could you please consider what I've said here? Carcharoth (talk) 05:44, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'd already seen your removal and intent to post here. It wasn't my intent to make it look like Mally had placed that. At first I just used |right| while editing the section; but when the whole page was there, the archive box caused the picture to drop, so I tried a few other things. Centring similarly had layout issues, so I parked it left, which sort of does make it look like Mally's.

/He/ may restore it; we're talking about stuff. I certainly was equating lynchings with the more extreme wiki flare-ups, though. The culture that burned Jesse is still with us, thankfully restrained from their more base urges most of the time. — Cheers, Br'er Rabbit (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for not restoring it. I don't take quite such a view that anything goes between two users on a user talk page thread, as it is a public discussion venue, not a private one, but that's for another time. Whether or not the comparison is accurate is not the point. Such comparisons can be made without appropriating pictures and using them to make a point. Pictures by their nature are powerful stuff and can be used to sway debates and draw people to read things they wouldn't otherwise have done. Consider the two uses of those images mentioned in the article: (1) as postcards, presumably sold to make money; (2) in that story by Du Bois in a newspaper. Now imagine where the uses of the image today falls on that spectrum: (i) in the article on the lynching; and (ii) on a user talk page thread. Arguably, use (i) and (2) are equivalent in that they spread understanding about the event, while use (1) is reprehensible. There was no internet then, but try and imagine what the reaction then would have been to the use of that image to illustrate a discussion on an emotive topic, but one that didn't involve murder and race and hate crimes. Maybe the effect of such use now has been dulled by time and distance, but I'm not so sure. It's the same reason I'm wary of the use of war recruitment posters to attract Misplaced Pages editors to edit on a topic. It diminishes the seriousness of the topic and makes an inappropriate juxtaposition between Misplaced Pages editors and those who fought and (in some cases) died in a war. Taking images out of their historical context and reusing them for other purposes has a long tradition, but it is something that has to be done with care. Carcharoth (talk) 06:41, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I like Mally; he's right about far more than he's wrong about. Note the he's got a mention of Giano just above that thread. And ya did follow my edit summary link above... (Guess who? I'm wearing the target, again. And you'll have read Fastily's remarks).

I see such use of images as quite useful. As with adverts, imagery gets past the built-in filters people have, to convey a message. How effective would ads be without colour, or sexual titillation? How about Daisy (advertisement)? →

With Jesse's image, I linked the article, both in the post and layered over the image. I see this as honouring him; his horrific death, and Mark's article, help such thing to happen rather less these days. Similarly, drawing a comparison to loathsome wiki patterns gives some pause about their participation in them. Not using strong imagery because it is out of context results in it being unknown. Many people were exposed to Jesse's article by that postcard being on display on a well-watched page. And it may result in someone not taking a torch with them on their next visit to WP:Great Dismal Swamp (cf Great Dismal Swamp maroons). Br'er Rabbit (talk) 07:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Moar image-related stuffs

I don't know my way around commons. File:Mrose rose africa 1.005.jpg looks like a piece of fan-art to me, certainly a derivative work, but the licensing doesn't reflect this. What to do?

And welcome back. pablo 13:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

That image is an obvious composite from unattributed sources. The account that uploaded it did nothing other than also add it as a single image gallery without no context. See WP:IG and cut the gallery, then pop over to commons, say what you did and something such as I said above; teh "Nominate for deletion" link is in the drop-toolbox on the left.

Terima kasih; what wine is being served? Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

What my bro' said ^^. There's also Commons:Commons:Deletion policy which outlines the steps you can take in some detail. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks both. Cunning, hiding the 'nominate for delete button' in plain sight. Obviously my eyes have been damaged by looking at that monstrosity. I may sue.
Am on the wagon myself, though as usual there is no shortage of whine round these parts. pablo 08:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

They do serve some robust whine, here. Saw a primo example not long ago ;) Cheers, Jack 16:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

A kitteh for you!

Thank you for cleaning up the references for the COTS 2 demo flight. Since this is an active event, I'll likely mess it up again, and request your help to fix up my Philistine defiling (it's the only way I can rapidly properly cite the sources to confirm what's happening). Thanks again, great job!

Abebenjoe (talk) 03:52, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

  You're welcome. I've got it watched and will maintain it as things go along. See WP:LDR for background. It's dabomb. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 04:06, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Just saw the Falcon 9 article, Oi Vay! Last time I edited the citations, about six-months ago, they were fine. Now, bare urls and other deformaties. I'll work on Dragon C2+ first, but poor Falcon 9 deserves better reference formatting than it currently has.--Abebenjoe (talk) 06:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done. It's still rather a mess, but at least it's a neater mess. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 07:17, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Darwinbish has taught your kitten to bite you shrewdly on the ass. Hopefully that has made your day better. Kittens are cute and have very sharp teeth! Spread the goodness of kittens by giving someone else a bitey kitten, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. little ankle biter 14:01, 25 May 2012 (UTC).

Bish! Bish! Bish! Bish!--Wehwalt (talk) 14:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Teh awesome! Her name is Bijou. Teh place seriouz needz moar azzez byted. Moby Dick 16:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Bishou? Hehe, fine name! :-) Her other faithful young torpedo, Baby Tex, already is a user: no sock (of hers, ahem), but very helpful and well trained for all that.] darwinbish 09:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC).

So sorry, User:Bijou, is taken; User:Bishou, not taken (act fast, fuckwits watching). Bijou rl-kitteh, sleeps lots (and moar with teh claws;). Cheers, Br'er Rabbit (talk) 09:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't encourage her, please. As if Bishzilla and I don't have enough to do, traipsing after the incorrigible db herself and apologising to the bitten! The darwin twins aren't allowed to create socks, as they very well know. The proliferation stops here! Bishonen | talk 12:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC).

Meh; my mom taught me to change my socks everyday. It just feels right ; ) Br'er Rabbit (talk) 12:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Re. User:Ucucha/HarvErrors

Thanks for all the great clean-up work you're doing on the battleship articles and for the encouragement on my own work on them. I'll admit, though, that I'm somewhat daunted by all the re-formatting you're doing since my strengths are in writing, editing and layout, not programming, so I'm a little intimidated about adding footnotes after seeing what you've done with the ones there already. BTW, many of the errors you are fixing were already there before I started work on these articles, so you are saving me a tremendous amount of work. Again, thanks. Jonyungk (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

There is a small learning curve, true, and it took me watching BR do a couple for me before I learned, but I have found it well worth it in referencing errors no longer made.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'll keep dropping examples your way. It's straigtforward to copy-paste an {{sfn}} and then tweak the page number, and the page collation is automatic. The script help with broken syntax and missing/unused refs. I know that you're not introducing most of the issues the script is commenting on; no worries. I'm liking the work you're doing. I believe it was on the Maine that I first noticed you; it's now much improved. Cheers, Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The past will come back to haunt you

I was reported at the ANI by Surtsicna. Again, someone remembered that I was blocked once for "battleground mentality". Everyone who disagrees with me loves to remind us of that. What they ignore is that I was blocked precisely for ignoring someone's taunts and for making a ridiculous comment on someone else's talk page. I don't know where the "battleground mentality" sticks. I should thank the administrator who blocked me for that someday, you know? --Lecen (talk) 20:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

A lot of people just figure if they repeat something often enough, everyone will believe them. Unfortunately, that is a frighteningly effective tactic. A lie gets halfway to China before the truth has its morning espresso etc. etc. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

See my conversation on Jclemens page where they are insisting that I come up with something to replace their untruths about me. Meanwhile the unture statement has sat unredacted for a fortnight. Rich Farmbrough, 08:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC).

And some still think it's not about 'score keeping'. The problem with transparency and scrutiny is the calibre of the people most often doing it. Misplaced Pages has 'everyone' so it's no surprise that we've the full spectrum of personality types here. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I do not consider your block as valid, as Manning Bartlett, another admin (like Steve) who suddenly appears out of retirement, did not allow you any defense. Note that I'm not saying anything nefarious happened, just that an admin who was more up to date on things, might have acted more cluefully.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

@Mark - just as Josef Goebbels said.PumpkinSky talk 12:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

efn

What's up with Pengguna:Crisco 1492/Geger Pacinan? It's showing and not b. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:19, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

It's nothing wrong with your wiki-text. I think it's a difference in their commons.css. Will look at it a bit... Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright, cuz both templates are the same. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:39, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

That's the first thing I checked.

en:wp's MediaWiki:Common.css contains

div.reflist ol.references {
    font-size: 100%;           /* Reset font-size when nested in div.reflist */
    list-style-type: inherit;  /* Enable custom list style types */
}

while id:MediaWiki:Common.css doesn't. It's not as simple as pasting that in, either; something like it, though. id:Pengguna:Farras would be your first stop, there, and User:Gadget850, here. The different projects do their own thing re styling. There are going to be points in common, but some stuff is localised to bahasa Indonesia, some is simply behind and some is simply different. The missing key is that "inherit". Your page and the imported templates are trying, but the style is not getting all the way to the target. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

This didn't do anything. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

This should fix it ;) There may be more; you need to find who over there is the best at CSS; they would know much more about the "why" of the local CSS naming. It may be Farras; dunno. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 17:59, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Br'er with me here ... (zilla make pun)

OK ... if I'm understanding right .. the "{{reflist}}" thing is passe, and just putting the parameters in at article level is what I need to improve on.? ... stick with name only in prose .. but define parameters down in the "references" section? I want to get this right .. but it's a big change from what I learned back in my old days. I can get this .. but will need a little help. (thank you by the way) Chedzilla (talk) 11:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Use the ref format style Br'er did on any of my recent articles. PumpkinSky talk 11:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Full citation details embedded in the prose is soo... 2008. What a mess. It used to be that MedaiWiki could only do that; some learned that and then stopped learning. A pity. Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. Better than it was before. Better...stronger...faster. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 18:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this way is better on many grounds, not the least of which is that it unclutters what you see and read in edit mode.PumpkinSky talk 18:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

But like learning to walk all over from scratch again .. lol. I'll get there. Chedzilla (talk) 18:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Intuitive, too. Imaging, clicking the for the references section, and getting to edit the references. The vertical form I use is much easier to scan an edit, too. There's a /reason/ books and journals have long put the details of footnotes outside the prose. They fuck things up when in line. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 18:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)