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Re: Your Special Talents

Hello Rhiana:        My name is Eric. I am a  music lover and quite impressed with your style and all that you put in to your work. So much that it is the end of my work night, and I wanted to find a way to post you a compliment. Oh, and there is something else that is driving me to respond to you, and I think you should know. I grew up wanting to be involved in music and had brief experimentations with naturally playing drums, guitars, and other instruments for fun. I even had a group of friends while in college that actually practiced rap music, and ventured into doing it for the local clubs, schools, and some campus parties. Because of conflicting interests we never made more of it than that, but it was fun trying to make demo tapes, and thinking about what we needed to do to take things to another level. I particularly admired "LL Cool J" and I usually was the one that created lyrics for my group. I found it interesting to turn concepts and ideas on paper, into song material. And many times I would actually see ideas in my head become subjects of another professional artists work. So I confess that I feel some disappointment about not being an artist that you associate with, but now I am doing a job to help protect the American Homeland, and at least I have been blessed with an opportunity to do that. I believe when something means something to you, it is difficult to hide, and is revealed when you talk the talk, walk the walk, or just work your unique way.108.65.43.6 (talk) 08:26, 1 May 2012 (UTC)Sincerely, mr. eric a. harris.

Where have you been

Where have you been is the first song to ever reach 4.9 million views in 24 hours. I Think this should be added to her 2011- present page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Braina90 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Previous VEVO record held by Nicki Minaj broken by Rihanna: https://twitter.com/#!/VEVO/status/198095439415877633--mikomango mwa! 21:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

unclear passage Rihanna page

I have included the following excerpt to illustrate some parts of this page that i find difficult to understand.

"...he felt "Pon de Replay" was too big for her, saying "when a song is that big, it's hard  to come back from. I don't sign songs, I sign artists". The audition resulted in Rihanna signing a six-album record deal with Def Jam Recordings in February 2005, on the same day of the audition, with Jay-Z saying "There's only two ways out. Out the door after you sign this deal. Or through this window ...", meaning that he was not going to let her leave with signing a record deal. After signing to Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna cancelled other meetings with record labels and relocated from Barbados to New York to live with Rogers' and his wife. Rihanna explained the concept behind the title of the album to Kidzworld, saying that the sun is representative of native Caribbean culture, as well as herself, and that the album consists of music from her heritage...."

This passage seems like a mish-mash of opinions and loose facts and some of it is not clear at all. The part where it starts with the Jay-Z quote, "There's only two ways out..." The author attemts to explain what they thought Jay-z was saying "meaning he was not going to let her leave with signing a record deal..." This explanation provided by the author does not clear things up and I wonder if this clarification should not be attempted at all because the quote seems to be self explanatory in that Jay-Z seems to be saying to Rihanna that the contract she has just signed with him is serious and she needs to deliver the six albums or jump out the window, figuritively.

the passage that starts "Rihanna explained the concept behind the title of the album to Kidzworld..." Not only does this sentence just hang out by itself, It needs to explain who or what "kidsworld" is and what album rihanna is speaking about.

unclear passage Rihanna page

I have included the following excerpt to illustrate some parts of this page that i find difficult to understand.

"...he felt "Pon de Replay" was too big for her, saying "when a song is that big, it's hard  to come back from. I don't sign songs, I sign artists". The audition resulted in Rihanna signing a six-album record deal with Def Jam Recordings in February 2005, on the same day of the audition, with Jay-Z saying "There's only two ways out. Out the door after you sign this deal. Or through this window ...", meaning that he was not going to let her leave with signing a record deal. After signing to Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna cancelled other meetings with record labels and relocated from Barbados to New York to live with Rogers' and his wife. Rihanna explained the concept behind the title of the album to Kidzworld, saying that the sun is representative of native Caribbean culture, as well as herself, and that the album consists of music from her heritage...."

This passage seems like a mish-mash of opinions and loose facts and some of it is not clear at all. The part where it starts with the Jay-Z quote, "There's only two ways out..." The author attemts to explain what they thought Jay-z was saying "meaning he was not going to let her leave with signing a record deal..." This explanation provided by the author does not clear things up and I wonder if this clarification should not be attempted at all because the quote seems to be self explanatory in that Jay-Z seems to be saying to Rihanna that the contract she has just signed with him is serious and she needs to deliver the six albums or jump out the window, figuritively.

the passage that starts "Rihanna explained the concept behind the title of the album to Kidzworld..." Not only does this sentence just hang out by itself, It needs to explain who or what "kidsworld" is and what album rihanna is speaking about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.30.181 (talk) 08:29, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Biography sub-section titles

Firstly "2010–11: Loud and Endorsements" - really? The "Other ventures" section claims that she has been signing endorsement deals since 2005 and 2006, so what makes the recent perfume and book so particularly notable? And "2011–present: Talk That Talk and film debut" - just no. As has been discussed , her first film was also in the mid-2000s. SplashScreen (talk) 22:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

And "2007–08: Good Girl Gone Bad and new image" - "new image" is irrelevant when the girls has had more makeovers than I've had bowls of cereal. SplashScreen (talk) 20:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Article cleanup

As is evident, I've started to cleanup the article by making it more concise and focused. Thus far, this has included polishing the "Biography" section, including integration with "Other ventures". I shall next look at the Philanthropy section to see how this can be improved. Per WP:BLP (particularly WP:WELLKNOWN) and WP:INDISCRIMINATE, it is important that this page doesn't just become a list of rambling facts about Rihanna's life and career. It is really relevant that she once played a charity gig and raised a few hundred dollars? Not necessarily. Is it worth discussing all of the particular (and often obscure) records that she's broken when these feats are already mentioned in the respective album and single articles? Perhaps not. SplashScreen (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

You can't just start to "polish" the article and removing 50kb of it without notifying single thing of what are you planning to do with Calvin and me (the biggest contributors to the project). The article was built for like 7 years. Some of the information that you removed because of your POV has to be present there. And for the singles successes soon it will be built legacy section cause she really needs one. So what If you can find information on their respective pages? That information shouldn't be available elsewhere. You are taking Misplaced Pages too POV, a fact. — Tomica (talk) 00:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I do not need to personally inform you or other Misplaced Pages users of my edits before I make them because you, or any other users, do not WP:OWN this article. I did, however, inform the article talk page before I made the bulk of the changes and explained my reasons for doing so, quoting relevant examples of the content that I disagreed with. Instead of just claiming that I show WP:POV, would you like to illustrate specific examples here and make selective changes instead of irrationally reverting? SplashScreen (talk) 00:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to personally inform me, but at least talk to the project I guess. How can you just come over the article and remove 50kb and just saying you start to "polish" it and adding some random comments. You could just point more specifically what needs to be changed so that can people (together with you) be aware on what should be worked. I agree that a loads of the article should be cut, but not in a way of removing more than 50kb in 13 edits. — Tomica (talk) 00:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Such drastic removal of content should be discussed between users prior to it being done. Leaving a message about what you've done and why isn't a discussion. Statυs (talk) 00:33, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Again, WikiProjects are an irrelevance per WP:OWN and WP:CONLIMITED. I have every right to make these edits. Regarding the extent of the changes, you're getting too caught up in the numbers. Yes, 50kb has been removed, but what has been "lost"? "Rihanna sang at x Charity concert in 2006" and "Here's a bunch of obscure records that single X broke in the Austrian charts". All content that I removed was either irrelevant and inconsequential or (already) belongs elsewhere. SplashScreen (talk) 00:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

So, I ask again. Which specific changes have you objected to and do you have a policy-lead or consensual reason for them to be upheld? SplashScreen (talk) 00:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Really? WikiProjects are irrelevant? So why are they created on Misplaced Pages? I guess for people to work together on a specific topic of articles? I really think you are reading too many rules that you don't know how to release them in real-Wiki life (not obscuring you of course). Look, I can't say that between edits you made some that were good, but still removing such a kb from an article... that's pretty annoying. For example you removed a REFERENCED sentence where Rihanna claimed that Madonna is her biggest influence and changed the pic with one of Bob Marley saying that he influenced on her. Not right edit. He influenced on her, but wasn't her biggest one. — Tomica (talk) 00:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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