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Thai political protest photos

First, I just wanted to give you a heads up and further explanation about my edit. I understand and fully appreciate the photos you have been adding to Misplaced Pages and Wikimedia Commons to document these events, and that you are attempting to show the event fully on our article. However, the number of photos was excessive compared to the length of the section and really, the article as a whole. They expanded clear down beyond not only the references, but also extended well beyond into empty space. We have links to Wikimedia Commons expressely for the purposes of having galleries of photos and other media. The Misplaced Pages article does not need to feature every single photo that was have about the subject.

Now, saying that, feel free to change the two pictures I have left on the article. I simply chose what I believe were the most informative photos, but I have no problem with you choosing photos that you think better fit the article. However, just please try and keep the number of photos about the same. The59 (Talk) 06:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


Thailand

Hi. Similarly to the above, but regarding the Thailand article, I thought the change you made to a photo caption, and a photo you added and its caption, amounted to adding a viewpoint that was not entirely neutral as per the WP:NPOV guidelines. Also, the Thailand article is a general overview of the country and not a "Breaking news" article, and adding more photos about the current conflict seems to me to be weighting it unduly towards that specific subject. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee 09:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


  • It seemed to me that describing a rally where nothing violent happened as "peaceful" to contrast it with the present violent situation is not really POV. I can imagine that some people might think so though. As for "breaking news": I added the photo of the (peaceful) March 20 rally on March 20 itself and apparently that was not seen as being breaking news. I guess "breaking news" just depends on who happens to work on an article at a certain moment and perhaps too on the content of the "breaking news". - Takeaway (talk) 12:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
    • I think I'll just sit this edit out, just as I am now sitting out today's violence inside my hotel. Too dangerous to go out where I am! Regards - Takeaway (talk) 12:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
    • I guess that was because no one found the March 20 rally of that photograph, which attracted 65.000 red shirt supporters from all over Thailand, important enough to mention in the article. The only mentioning of that rally in the Thailand article is through that one photo. ;-) - Takeaway (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, the article is just an overview of the country, not a detailed account of the current political problems - there is a main article on that subject that goes into it in greater detail -- Boing! said Zebedee 12:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
    • Rereading the Thailand#Political crisis section, I am thinking that the sentence "backed financially by fugitive former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra" is a bit POV actually. Even though it is well-known that he backs some of them, not all people receive money from him and joined the movement out of pure conviction. - Takeaway (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
  • I think it would benefit from a reference, certainly, but I really don't think anyone is actually disputing Thaksin's financial support (not even you), and it seems pretty factual to me - it certainly makes no claim that he gives money to everyone (I don't doubt that many people have joined the movement out of pure conviction - some members of my family have, for example - but that is in no way contradictory to the fact that Thaksin provides financial support to the red shirt movement). -- Boing! said Zebedee 12:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
    • How about changing "a set of new violent protests by Red Shirts opposition supporters, backed financially by fugitive former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra have..." in to "a set of new violent protests by the Red Shirts opposition movement, backed financially by fugitive former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra have...". That the "movement" is backed by Thaksin is without doubt, I just oppose the word "supporters" as it makes it sound as if the supporters are doing it only for the money they receive. As it is written now it sounds so "yellow shirt". Regards - Takeaway (talk) 12:48, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Great! I will. Take care, - Takeaway (talk) 12:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Oops, in the edit summary for the article I accidentally wrote "changed to more POV wording" where I meant to write "more NPOV". - Takeaway (talk) 13:00, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Hehe, no worries - keep yourself safe (I'm away from Thailand myself right now) -- Boing! said Zebedee 13:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, apparently the army is at this moment sweeping the soi in front of my hotel, and shots are fired. I'll not go out for a look. - Takeaway (talk) 13:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

2010 Thai political protests: A man shot "by the army": why leave that part out?

Hi,

I have changed the image caption and removed the unverified claim that the man in the image was shot by the army. I am sure that this probably was the case, but there is no citation evidence that this was actually the case. Mootros (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Next time I will ask the wounded people on my photos to sign a testimony and subject it with the photograph as to who had shot them to satisfy this citation-lust. - Takeaway (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps you should also remove the wording that he was shot as it might have been possible that he had tripped over a banana peel. - Takeaway (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry, I think you did a great job taking those pictures and providing them to the community. Thank you! Have a look at the captions in the guardian . They are really descriptive of the images themselves. The rest is left to the reader/ viewer. Again, thank you. Take care. All the best, Mootros (talk) 17:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I also see unverified claims in the descriptions of the photos in the Guardian. Where can you see that the zone the monk is walking through is a "sniper fire zone" as I don't see any snipers on the photo? Where can you see that the street is deserted where the man is resting as the rest of the street isn't shown on the photo? As for the photo of kids sleeping in the temple, yes, I see kids but where is the temple? That the man in my photo was shot by the Thai army just 50 meters away and not by some one else (the "red shirts" are some 500 meters away) is so obvious that asking for a citation for this photo verges on the absurd. - Takeaway (talk) 17:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Re: banana peel Hmm, I see the joke.. But honestly, how about: "Injured protester carried away to safety" Although we have plenty of citations that state shooting of people by the army has happened (and people have died as a result), the problem is linking this to a specific image that is a primary source here. The image in light of all the evidence speak more then a caption can do. What do you think? Mootros (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Re: Guardian. Yes, you are right, but the Guardian image captions trying to limit this within reason. The captions are short and tend to capture what you see. This was really just an example of style. However, your image I would say is a type of primary source. If you read this, in wikipedia this should be substantiated with secondary sources. Mootros (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I think that claiming that this man was shot by the army is also "within reason" and citing primary source where it states "though primary sources are permitted if used carefully", my interpretation of this sentence is that one can write something which is not backed up by a citation if it is obvious that it is so. As you wrote earlier "I am sure that this probably was the case". But I can also agree to the wording "A severely wounded protester is carried away from Rama 4 road to safety" as one of my other photos on wikimedia shows that he is indeed severely wounded as he is covered with blood, and one can see, if one knows Bangkok, that it is indeed also Rama 4 road. And if one clicks on my photo to enlarge it, one can still read what I saw there. - Takeaway (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree with this, but trying to be careful I would avoid "army". I really like the caption you suggested now. Excellent! Please go ahead, if you may. Many thanks for this conversation. Mootros (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I might have to state here that I am absolutely not a red shirt supporter but I also have to state that I am not a supporter of the Thai government's use of the extremely euphemistic terms as to what they are having the Thai army do and the rumours which have been started that so-called "mysterious outsiders" are the people who were responsible for deaths as it contradicts what I have seen. It is therefore that I protested when I saw that the captions in Misplaced Pages had been watered down. Regards, - Takeaway (talk) 18:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Right. I have not doubt so ever that this person was shot by the army. I deplore the use of violence.
However, Misplaced Pages is not about taking sides, believing or disbelieving someone. Instead it is about facts. We have overwhelming evidence of the government's use of the army that kills protesters by using live ammunition. Verified fact! In order to maintain this credibility, we should really stick to the facts. The caption of the actual image you upload to the commons if perfectly fine and should stay there as your testimony. In the article, however, I would be careful. It is not "watered down", it is descriptive. Such neutral description is much more powerful than a fact that has no secondary source on this specific instance. It also would avoid writing captions like: Example of man shot by army. Images in the end in Wikipeadia articles are to illustrate. This image does a brilliant job in doing this. See the caption like an aid for visual impaired readers explaining what one sees. That's all there is to a caption. Mootros (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Bulletproof Barnstar
In recognition of your contributions to 2010 Thai military crackdown, in which you risked your own personal safety, I award you the Bulletproof Barnstar. Your photography is in keeping with the highest standards of Misplaced Pages, and I thank you for it. Stay safe out there. - Kafziel 16:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow! This is really the strangest barnstar I have seen! Thank you! - Takeaway (talk) 17:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

You are the first recipient. The photographer's barnstar didn't seem sufficient, so I created this instead. There's a big difference between taking a photo of a statue in a park and taking a photo of a protester during a riot, and I think it's high time we had something to recognize that in some small way. And I'm glad to see you got out safely. Kafziel 17:24, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll second that award too - outstanding photographic service in a dangerous situation -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I feel honoured but I feel that this barnstar really has to go to the ordinary Thai people on both sides of the divide for looking out for my safety, for their kindness and generosity, and for their readiness to rather sacrifice themselves than let an outsider such as me, a guest in their country, come to harm. It is this unique quality of the Thai people from which the rest of the world can learn a lesson. I truly hope that the people of Thailand can find a way to sort out their country's internal problems without having to resort to these measures ever again. - Takeaway (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Extremely well said -- Boing! said Zebedee 18:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

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Circumference

Forgive me if I was wrong to do so, but I have reverted your revert of an anon. user, who is blocked now, if I'm not wrong. But why remove the refimprove when there are no references? Brambleclawx 01:26, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I routinely reverted all the "refimprove" templates which the blocked user had placed all over wikipedia as they were placed in an arbitrary manner by said user. I had overlooked the fact that the article to which you refer, didn't have references at all! So thanks for reverting my revert. - Takeaway (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Brambleclawx 01:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

July 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Himesh Reshammiya. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. You could possibly break the three-revert rule. HelpingHandTalk 18:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning! :) - Takeaway (talk) 18:39, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Panang Curry

Why was that one picture "fake?"--Nessie (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

This picture was "fake" as it wasn't at all like phanaeng curry in Thailand. Phanaeng curry is one of the few curries in Thailand to which Thai cooks would never add vegetables to accompany the main protein (meat or seafood) of the dish. It is garnished only with sliced chillies, shredded kaffir lime leaves and sometimes also some Thai basil (horapha). I think that the Thai restaurant in Melbourne which made the dish in that photo serves it this way because adding in vegetables increases the volume of the dish without being too costly, and, due to the the western tendency of often only eating the one dish that one has ordered instead of sharing several dishes as is usual in Thailand, adding in vegetables would also give a more "balanced" helping. As such it is not a "real" phanaeng curry but a meat and vegetable stir-fry with phanaeng sauce made for a western market. - Takeaway (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
That sounds like information that would be best added to the article, which is about all versions of the curry and not just the original Thai version. Especially because the phanaeng curry article is thin in content and could use another informative section. I'm sure I'm not the only reader who does not know this information. Are there similar differences in other curries? --Nessie (talk) 17:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking of concentrating all Thai curry articles in to one large article as all the separate articles are, as you yourself have noticed with this one about phanaeng, very thin. Seeing that the western concept of "curry" differs in many ways from that which the Thais describe as "kaeng" (which is normally translated as curry in the West), I think merging all the separate articles in to one would make the whole concept behind "kaeng" (Thai curry) much more clear. I'm not sure when exactly I'll start writing the all-in-one Thai curry article, but it will probably be this coming winter. Regards, - Takeaway (talk) 19:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't view the "fake version" of phanaeng, as was featured on the now-removed photo, as being phanaeng curry at all and I therefore believe that it should not feature in the article. It would be like adding a photo of a generic supermarket-bought frozen pizza to an article about real Neapolitan pizza and calling the frozen pizza a "version" or "variation" of the real thing. Furthermore, every part of the world makes their "fake" versions of Thai curries. If you have ever seen dishes that pass for a Thai curry in Japan for instance, then even the Australian dish would seem authentic! I think it would be best to only describe what a real Thai curry should be like and not show what it should not be like unless a specific "fake version" has become so commonplace as to be notable enough to have it mentioned as was, for instance, the case with several "fake" Bolognese sauces. - Takeaway (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2010 (UTC
But there is no separate article for Neapolitan pizza, only for pizza. If a cook makes a poor version of a dish, it is still that dish, even if is not the best or most authentic version. The bar may be lower other places, but bad phanaeng curry in japan is still a phanaeng curry, I don't think it's distinct enough to be even Japanese-style phanaeng curry. --Nessie (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Adding pictures of non-authentic dishes does not illustrate what a dish should be like, which I presume is what readers come to look for here on wikipedia. The fake phanaengs also lack notability as they haven't established themselves as commonplace yet. I don't think that there is one Thai restaurant in, for instance, Australia that advertises itself as making real "Australian style Thai-inspired food" as yet. I wouldn't opt giving that much attention to what a dish shouldn't be like in each individual article. Perhaps it could be mentioned in the main Thai cuisine page that outside of Thailand, dishes often are not served at all authentic due to lack of authentic ingredients and/or due to the adaptation to local tastes or dining habits. - Takeaway (talk) 01:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Re the new cat - adding the bit at the end of them - cheers SatuSuro 10:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

And thank you for creating the new category. - Takeaway (talk) 12:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Dont let me start - I am very concerned that too many categories, templates, and articles are asian when the southeast asian, south asian, east asian, and central asian should be separated for a whole range of reasons SatuSuro 12:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you. I had started out doing that too for a couple of categories in wikimedia commons but there is still lots more to do! It's a good way of staying out of mischief though... - Takeaway (talk) 12:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Pancake

Thanks for undoing my edit. I don't know why, but I thought the template redirected back to {{commons}}. I guess I got a little trigger happy. DKqwerty

No problem! Hmmm... I had accidentally described the commons|Pancake page as being empty... it wasn't actually but it only seemed that way to me due to a temporary glitch in my internet service. I always prefer the "commonscat' template, as very often the "commons" template leads to a very small and outdated selection of images. Especially for 1st-time users this can be confusing as they wouldn't know that there are many more images available if they'd scroll down and click on the category. Cheers! - Takeaway (talk) 03:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Pattaya

Please read my reason for deleting your graphic additions. A good test to see if your material will hold up would be to add a similar addition to the Bangkok article, a city whose international reputation mirrors Pattaya. Further, you can try to get a consensus on the talk page to get other opinions as to the appropriateness of your material for the Pattaya article. The Pattaya city officials have an ongoing campaign to promote the city as a family destination. It is possible your type of additions could harm this campaign and further tarnish the reputation of the city. รัก-ไทย (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Please carefully read WP:NOTCENSORED before trying to delete the text for the 3rd time. - Takeaway (talk) 21:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Neither "an ongoing campaign to promote the city as a family destination" not the possibility of "harm this campaign and further tarnish the reputation of the city" are valid reasons to remove cited information from wikipedia. Kuguar03 (talk) 06:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Opps, thought I was on Rak-Tai's talk page. They have a long history of POV edits, so I've been keeping track to build a case. Keep up the good work! Kuguar03 (talk) 06:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
No problem! I've also noticed the POV edits. Thanks for the thumbs-up! Takeaway (talk) 07:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I suddenly realise why User:Rak-Tai was so keen on keeping the Pattaya article censored and devoid of any mention of, in his own words, "..every type of perversion listed on Google....prostitution, homosexuality, pickpockets, murder, rape, corruption, and sexual perversion". It was because Rak-Tai had linked the Pattaya article as being where the Thailand office of "Johannes Maas (missionary)" (an article Rak-Tai wrote but which has been deleted as being about a non-notable person) is located. In the scribd.com remake of the Johannes Maas article, one can see that Pattaya is no longer linked as to where the Thai office is, but Chonburi Province. So it's not really because of his concern for the city's reputation, it was mainly because of his concern for Johannes Maas' reputation. - Takeaway (talk) 04:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Nice photo

I do like this :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks there Boing! I'm assuming you are referring to my last photo? I'm very happy with it too. Pure luck really as I was actually doing some shopping in the area. And having the new Nikon D7000 does help. - Takeaway (talk) 17:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Yep, that's the one (I linked it in the "this"). While "being there" is certainly part of a good photo, "seeing it" is a vital skill that a lot of people don't have. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I saw that you had indeed linked it only after I posted the reply. Just back from having a few beers so not very alert at the moment... ;-)
I also just read your contribution on the Pattaya talk page. Thanks for the support! - Takeaway (talk) 18:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Global storm activity of late 2010

Given your activity in the article, I thought I'd let you know I am put it up for articles for deletion. Hurricanehink (talk) 07:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Oops!

You might have seen me rejecting your request to block User:Siswick on WP:AIV as insufficiently warned. I noticed that I'd missed him removing the warnings from his talk page about half a second after I hit Save Page. I have now blocked the account as being used only for vandalism. --GraemeL 12:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem. You at least did notice it after double checking the vandal's edits. Thanks! - Takeaway (talk) 12:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Tom yum

Interesting, can you give me a link to an Authentic Thai Tom Yum Soup made without chili paste, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaiadd (talkcontribs) 14:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Of course I can, as the original basic Tom yam is made only with fresh herbs which you can buy as a whole package in any Thai (super)market. Here are a few very good recipes for authentic Tom yam soups -> recipe 1, recipe 2, recipe 3 and recipe 4. As you can see, only recipe 2 mentions "nam phrik phao", which for non-Thais is also sometimes called "chilli jam". It is a sweet, fried chilli paste which can be used in Tom yam but, as one of my Thai relatives tells me, is purely optional and depending on the family's preference. My own family uses nam phrik phao (NB: this is not the so-called "tom yam paste" but a chilli paste which is also used for other dishes such as phla mu or for phat nam phrik phao dishes and, nowadays, also as a spread on bread), but this in-law of mine is absolutely abhorred by the fact that my family puts this in the Tom yam at all. The so-called "tom yam paste", which according to you is absolutely essential, never features in any true Thai recipe and is only used outside of Thailand due to the lack of fresh ingredients or due to the marketing of the processed food companies. - Takeaway (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, i think i've got your point. People outside Thailand often use such instant things to make tom yum like Lobo paste. In this case you're right - Thais don't use it. But your're still not right saying that tom yam can be made without stir-fried chili, onion and other herb in vegetable oil. It will be just a boiled chicken stock with galangal, lemongras and kaffir lime leaves. Maybe such version of tom yum exists and maybe this version is the real Authentic Thai Tom Yum Soup, but most of cooks at streets cook it with self-made chili paste (or chili in oil or nam prik pao). Therefore i suggest to leave my variant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaiadd (talkcontribs) 03:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The use of Nam phrik phao is already mentioned in the text. It is, as I already said, not the same as the so-called tom yam paste. And it is, as is shown in the recipes, not essential at at all. - Takeaway (talk) 03:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
As a visitor to this Talk page for another purpose (see below) I can comment that not long ago I stood in a Tesco Lotus in Bangkok and watched locals buy various packets of Lobo spice mixes (of which there are several dozen different types) by the armful (I bought some myself). This includes the one for Tom Yum stock. The idea that Thais don't use this stuff in Thailand, is ridiculous. According to my grandmotherly native Thai companion, these days time-chunched Thais use Lobo spices more than not. Times change. SBHarris 00:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
I only just now saw this edit. Yes, of course time-crunched Thais will use ready made packages but the issue was not about the use or non-use of those pre-packaged Tom Yam paste, it was because that paste was mistaken for being Nam phrik phao. - Takeaway (talk) 05:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Three Parallel Rivers size ?

Re: Your images size question on my talk page for the Three Parallel Rivers of Yunnan Protected Areas article.
I gently ask you the same question, but regarding 'small pictures' and untidy look? At 300px they are 'exactly' the same width as the infobox on my average sized screen. Your 252px size is smaller in column width creating an "untidy lay-out" here. I strongly share your concern for simple and clean image integration, and appreciate your efforts. I am quite ignorant on how articles appear differently on small and large screens, being only aware that where an is pasted into an outline can affect image-text flow. It seems that on my screen 300px gives the same clean order 252px gives your on screen? Are there any wiki-editor-tool-articles on this? best—Look2See1 t a l k → 18:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I've checked my lay-out on HD screens (1920 pixels wide), on a notebook screen of 1024 pixels wide, and on an iPad. As I think that perhaps the discrepency between how you see the lay-out and how I see it, might be caused by the browser, I checked that too. For my computers using Windows as their operating system, I used Windows Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox and also Opera. The iPad uses Safari. In all instances, the image lay-out from my edit comes out alligned, whereas your lay-out continues to be misalligned. Which operating system and browser do you use? And also, did you perhaps configure Misplaced Pages to show you its content in a specific lay-out scheme? I have set Misplaced Pages to show everything in its standard lay-out. - Takeaway (talk) 07:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


Irrawaddy Ecology

Scherp opgemerkt over die Irrawaddy dolfijn, dat heb ik er al heel lang geleden verkeerd ingezet! Groeten, Pim Rijkee (talk) 22:42, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Hainanese chicken rice

Thanks for catching my mistake. The vandal added the info back twice. I didn't revert far back enough. Cheers to you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome! - Takeaway (talk) 14:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

New category

You may check out the category:Thai dried fish. I shll upload more in a day or two, tomorrow and on Sunday I might be busy. The quality of some of the pictures is not good because it was inside the market, no flash, people wondering what I do, and so on. In one of the pictures there are some fish in a circle which may be the "pla wong" you mentioned. The pictures are from different places; don't pay attention to the dates. Some are from Ratchaburi district, some from near Lopburi and some from Bangkok. Xufanc (talk) 15:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll show it to some of my friends and see if we can figure them out. This might take a week or so as I'll be travelling a bit around Northern Thailand myself this weekend, away from my home in Chiang Mai. - Takeaway (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
You were right about the nam chim. I don't know why I wrote nam phrik. I am writing to tell you that I have uploaded most of the dried fish pictures I have. Xufanc (talk) 13:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
We looked at a few of the photos and hopefully were helpfull at correctly identifying some of the fish. Everyone is pretty tired now because, as is usual in Thailand, seeing photos of food led to discussions on how best to cook the ingredients. We'll get back to drinking again and continue identifiying the images at a later date. - Takeaway (talk) 14:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


Re: Salé

Hi Takeaway.

I haven't a clue about the revision of Salé. If you look at my contributions, it will confirm that I did not revert your edit. I know nothing about the subject, and also respect your edits and would not reverse them. I do not know how my name could be used for an edit I did not make. รัก-ไทย (talk) 05:56, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I did look at your contributions (see this here) and it clearly indicates that you (or someone using your account) incorrectly reverted one of my edits as being vandalism. If you didn't do that yourself, I would advise you to try and find out how it could have mysteriously come to pass that someone else used your account to do it. - Takeaway (talk) 06:26, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Confirmed that the revert shows up on my page. On that day I made an edit on Somerset Christian College, an article on my watch list. How the other edit got there, I do not have any idea. I am in Thailand and use only my laptop to edit. No one else has access to my computer. If this happens again perhaps I can trace it. I assure you I have no knowledge of or interest in Salé, and further after our prior conflicts, would not revert any of your edits without first informing you. This one will go in my mystery file. Sorry you were inconvenienced. รัก-ไทย (talk) 08:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Religion in Thailand

The article itself is very messy and needs to be cleaned up, it also seems to be a bit bias by putting Abraham Religions numbers corresponding to the amount of worshippers and not giving Indian religions the same. So based on the articles work I had to assume that Sikhism would be the fourth largest in religion and Thailand. --Schmeater (talk) 19:42, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Replied on Schmeater talk - Takeaway (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Okay, so I suggest making the article like this one here: Religion in Canada. The article itself is inspiring to other articles and also gives awareness to people planning on going to Thailand or learning more information on it, hence the encyclopedia that Misplaced Pages is. --Schmeater (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
If you can find reliable sources that will back your edits, please do. As to your remark that the Indian religions, apart from Buddhism of course, do not feature in the Religion in Thailand article with numbers, as is the case for the Abrahamic religions: this is not so much a matter of biase, it is more due to the lack of any reliable numbers for those Indian religions concerned. - Takeaway (talk) 05:38, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Comments on my page

I am acquainted with the information you have provided. You seem to have singled out my contributions for more reason than just editorial correction. Could you have an ulterior reason for your scrutiny of my edits? This may be covered under this section . รัก-ไทย (talk) 05:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I checked your edits way back when we had a disagreement on your censorship on the Pattaya and the Prostitution in Thailand articles. It naturally made me sceptical about your other edits, checking them for similar behaviour. I thus stumbled on to your article about Worldwide Faith Missions. It would seem that you are very closely associated with this organisation to say the least, and also, certain assertions you made on that article would seem to need citations to back them as they seem quite bold. I therefore tagged both the Worldwide Faith Missions and the related Mission of Mercy Magazine articles for conflict of interest issues and for needing additional citations for some of the content. As to you assessing the importance and quality of an article that you yourself wrote, this too is quite unusual. - Takeaway (talk) 06:09, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


I am leaving Misplaced Pages. My time is valuable, and your constant tinkering with and changing my edits clearly constitutes harassment and a vendetta against me. Good luck in choosing your next victim. With editors like you, you will soon have a monopoly, having viewed the others that you harass. Rak-Tai from my iPhone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.109.148.63 (talk) 18:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
If you truly think that I am harassing you, please take it up with the moderators instead of accusing me of all sorts of things. I have only applied Misplaced Pages rules and regulations. Rules and regulations which are there to safeguard against censorship and conflict of interest issues from people such as you. I wish you luck in your other ventures and I hope you are more successful in getting what you want there than you have been here in Misplaced Pages. - Takeaway (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I actually lost a bet. I counted on you putting up a bit of a fight but my friend said you'd run away after having been found out. I guess I owe my friend a beer now. - Takeaway (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Put up a fight with the likes of you? This little story: There was a well-dressed man who was kicked by a jackass. He got up from the dusty road, brushed the dust off, and walked on. An onlooker asked why he didn't get angry and retaliate. He calmly replied, "I just consider the source." รัก-ไทย (talk) 09:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

You are very childish in your insults. I feel very much like the well-dressed man in your story now. ;-) Bye bye! - Takeaway (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism or not

Thanks for your message and for the wikilink. According to the first line of Misplaced Pages:Vandalism that edit in question was a vandalism, then if we want to have a look at all other possible aspects of these edits I dont have a problem (my last edit wasnt taged as "vandalism") but allow me that it "...compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages.." by leaving uncomplete information. Overall, before a user act for an edit like the one we talking about, he should have posted at least two lines in the "Talk Page" and not bypass the rest of the comunity by wrongly electing himself to the judge of the matter and change the meaning of the paragraf. Greatings! :-) --Sal73x (talk) 20:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

i don't see any problem at all having Palestinian Territories mentioned in the Mediterranean sea article. I don't understand why you do. They were always mentioned in that article until some anti-Palestinian person removed it. - Takeaway (talk) 13:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Disregard the previous. I was obviously not very alert at that moment. The person who removed it was indeed a vandal. Thank you for setting it right. - Takeaway (talk) 13:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
No problem, and thanks for your work always appreciated. --Sal73x (talk) 13:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Please, don't accuse me to be a vandal again. The criteria is "sovereign countries", not only cities. Thank you. Kordas (sínome!) 00:49, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

There are two criteria: "Capital cities of sovereign countries AND major cities (municipalities) with populations over 200,000". Please stop removing Gaza city as it meets the criterium of having more than 200,000 inhabitants. - Takeaway (talk) 01:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Mueang and Mang

A "Mueang" (Template:Lang-th) is an administrative division in Thailand, whereas the "Mang" in Mangrai is written differently in Thai (written as มัง) and has, as far as I know, no meaning. I have reverted your edits to Chiang Rai as you seem to have gotten these two mixed up. - Takeaway (talk) 12:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Mueang = Mu'ang = Muang = (Template:Lang-th) is certainly part of the name for an adminstrative division, but it's an older word that simply means "land" as in "Muang Thai." More specifically it once referred to the best type of land, a bit of flat land at the bottom of a gentle basin, perfect for growing rice without irrigation: . As for King Mangrai, if you Google "Muang Rai" you can find him (for example ) named as "Phya Muang Rai" as founder of Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai, but his name transliterated this way instead of Mangrai, and they presumably are thinking that he was named as "King of the Land." But that may be a false etymology since as you point out, his name is at best a contraction of that. So I don't really know if the "Mueang" in Mueang Chiang Rai refers to the king or the province ("chiang" of cource means city or village). If it refers to province only, the Chiang Rai article should point that out at the beginning, instead of starting by saying that "Mueang Chiang Rai" is a name of the city! SBHarris 23:41, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
To use the transcription from Thai to Latin script as a way of explaining the possible etymology of the Thai words เมือง (mueang = town) and มัง (mang = part of the name of king Mangrai) is hardly reliable. Having seen too many different (and sometimes very personal) transcriptions of Thai, I stopped presuming anything. Very often these transcriptions are based on mishearing someone pronouncing the Thai word. - Takeaway (talk) 09:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Curry

Thank you for correcting my silly error. I don't know what I was thinking! I'm trying to "clean up" and focus the Curry article. Hope you'll continue to participate from time to time, especially regarding Thailand! Yankeecook (talk) 20:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Danube basin

Hi, do you have a more specific link to confirm that Poland is classified as part of the Danube's basin? Thanks --Sal73x (talk) 17:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Found it. The document sais that Poland ammounts for <0.1% of the Daunube's basin. A bit of a joke but is still a fact that I can't argue. Thanks for pointing out. --Sal73x (talk) 17:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

KnightxxArrow (talk · contribs)

This user had added Khmer script to a lot of Thailand-related articles. I think the majority of them are irrelevance. He added Khmer script to Thai province articles. Just wonder how it would be like if we also added Thai script to Khmer province articles. (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

In some cases, such as the border regions of Thailand which have a large Khmer population, it would seem fairly appropriate. Adding it to, for instance, Sukhothai is a more difficult case. Sukhothai started out as a Mon/Khmer outpost before becoming a Thai kingdom. If the user can prove with a reference that what is being added was the historical, original, Khmer name, it would seem correct. But if the user is only adding the modern Khmer name, then it should be removed. See for instance the article for Jinghong in Yunnan, China. This also has the Thai name added to it because it historically was a Tai city. - Takeaway (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
It is even worse, at least for Surat Thani the Khmer name added was totally bogus - it was claimed the province had a Khmer name (which is basically nothing but the Thai name written in Khmer and then romanized like a Khmer name) way before the 20th century. But the province was named Chaiya until 1915, the name Surat Thani did not exist at all before. Thus I do not trust this editor at all, it much more looks like the pathetic, but sadly normal Thai-Khmer fighting over which country has more history, which country falsely occupies territory on which the other had older rights. andy (talk) 22:03, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Surat Thani having been called Soreach Theani over 500 years ago does indeed seem very far-fetched. I randomly chose Udon Thani from the user's edits and saw that there too the romanised version of the Khmer pronunciation had been added. This would seem totally inappropriate as it is a very new city, built upon what was until a century a village with a completely different name and only receiving its name in 1936CE/2479BE. The editor in question only seems to have started randomly adding romanised modern Cambodian names to some 20 or so articles on localities in Thailand from May 16 onwards so it's still manageable to revert them by hand. I would suggest that an official warning would be sent to this user to stop adding modern Cambodian names unless the user can provide sources that it is either a true historical Khmer name from when a locality was part of the Khmer empire, or a present-day name used by the locality's Thai-Khmer residents. - Takeaway (talk) 23:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Cordial wiki-greetings to all! I too have noticed this editor's activities and have been reverting and/or correcting all I find. However, I do believe that the Khmer names of Surin, Sisaket, and Buriram provinces are relevant because of the large present-day Khmer population and the historical connections. Those three articles are the extent of what I wish include.--William Thweatt | 02:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Greetings too! Adding the Khmer names to those provinces which have significant Thai-Khmer populations would indeed seem appropriate. I just wish there was a way to find (a) reliable source(s) for the name used by the Thai-Khmer population itself, instead of just a romanised version of the Cambodian pronunciation of the Thai name as these two might not coincide. The former would seem very appropriate, the latter less so. - 12:09, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for copy editing some of food articles of my interest such as Bubur ayam, Dank je wel.., cheers..!Gunkarta (talk) 14:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Thank you for writing them! If you think that any new articles that you write need CE, just send me a message. I like reading about (Southeast Asian) food so I know I will enjoy editing those articles. - 14:30, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Fried egg. This contravenes Misplaced Pages's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. You are continuing to add unsourced information to articles that have already been tagged for this issue--in this case this September 2010. Except in the cases where you are deleting unsourced information. Please see WP:POINT. There is also an active RFC at Talk:List of accompaniments to french fries where the policy is very clear. Logical Cowboy (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

When you threw out the content a second time, it was referenced. I also really don't understand why you are so inconsistent in removing unsourced content. Do you only remove what you have never heard of or don't like? - Takeaway (talk) 17:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I love fried eggs. One thing I focus on is unsourced additions to articles that have been tagged for a long time as needing more sources, especially by IP editors or new editors. Not to say that I wouldn't delete other unsourced information, but I can't do it all. Anyway, the problem here is that you did not give an informative edit summary. If you added references, which is great, don't say that you simply reverted my edit. That is a misleading edit summary. Logical Cowboy (talk) 17:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

If you are talking about my photo of the Dutch fried egg that I had added to the article, this happened BEFORE the refimprove template was added. Oops sorry, I forgot to write that I had added references. I didn't know that you also removed content without reading it first. - Takeaway (talk) 17:55, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Merge taocu, tauchu and douchi

I did not mean to ignore the responses made at Talk:Douchi. I apologise for not remembering to take action. I ought to keep a a to-do list next time. --Pare Mo (talk) 05:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Sukhothai Kingdom liberation from Lavo Kingdom is not true ?

Sukhothai Kingdom liberation from Lavo Kingdom is not true ? Why are you reverted my edit ?

References : http://en.wikipedia.org/Sukhothai_Kingdom

Liberation from Lavo Prior to the 13th century, Tai kingdoms had existed on the northern highlands including the Ngoenyang (centered on Chiang Saen; predecessor of Lanna) kingdom and the Heokam (centered on Chiang Hung, modern Jinghong in China) kingdom of Tai Lue people. Sukhothai had been a trade center and part of Lavo, which was under the domination of the Khmer Empire. The migration of Tai people into upper Chao Phraya valley was somewhat gradual


คุณเข้าใจภาษาไทยมั้ยครับ ? ข้อมูลของหน้าอาญาจักรสุโขไทไม่ครบถ้วน ข้อมูลประวัติศาสตร์ยืนยันว่าอาณาจักรสุโขโทเป็นอิสระจากอาณาจักรละโว้ไม่ใช่หรือครับ ? และละโว้กลายมาเป็นอาณาจักรอยุธยาภายหลัง — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gend07000 (talkcontribs) 23:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

The text of Lavo Kingdom is indeed not very clear but it says that the Lavo Kingdom became part of Ayutthaya, not Sukhothai. Sukhothai only became free from Lavo but did not take over the Lavo Kingdom. - Takeaway (talk) 00:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for answer, Information in many Thailand history page is not very clear that thai people always misunderstood. I want to make this clear for to benefit Youth and those who are interested. If you have knowledge. Please help by adding content. thank you very much. --Gend07000 (talk) 00:38, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
You are welcome. I wish I could add information to the Thai wiki but unfortunately, I only speak a tiny bit of Thai but I can not read or write it. โชคดีครับ! - Takeaway (talk) 00:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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Copy editing

Hi.., I just recently create a new article kripik, it would be great if you could help on copy editing. And maybe you could take a look to the article ] too. Greatly appreciated. Cheers.Gunkarta (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for writing the nice article! I sectioned off part of the lead text in to "keripik and krupuk" because I thought the lead text was a bit too long compared to the rest of the article. If you think that a different title is better, please change it. Cheers! I will have a look at the krupuk article another day. - Takeaway (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I also saw that emping redirects to krupuk. Shouldn't this redirect to keripik instead? - Takeaway (talk) 19:40, 28 June 2012 (UTC)