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Welcome!

Hello Pfhorrest, welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page contains a lot of helpful material for new users - please check it out! If you need help, visit Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. the skomorokh 20:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup templates

Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "{{Unreferenced}}", "{{Fact}}" and , "{{Merge}}" etc., are best not "subst"ed . See WP:SUBST for more details. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 11:15 5 October 2008 (UTC).

Sorry, I was trying to subst the date in there with {{subst:date}}, which I saw recommended somewhere (on the merge how-to page, I think). Thanks for cleaning up my mess. -Pfhorrest (talk) 01:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look at template:particular human rights

Hi. If you have a moment I would appreciate your input in the discussion at template talk:particular human rights#Template title about the title of the template (one of the pieces that I split {{human rights}} into). You seem to know a lot about human rights so would value your perspective on the title. Once you have seen this you can delete it. Thanks. Zodon (talk) 08:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind looking at some grammer?

I recently proposed a category rename, and wanted to know if the word "the" should be included in the title? See Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_January_26#Category:Diseases_of_skin_appendages. Would you, and perhaps some of your friends, mind taking a look at the category, and comment as to whether the word "the" is needed? Regardless, thank for all your work on wikipedia! kilbad (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Rights templates

Since you have done a lot of work on this... could we add Prostitutes (or "sex workers", whatever appears more appropiate) as rights holders to the templates, (see World Charter for Prostitutes' Rights).--SasiSasi (talk) 22:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. I'd probably go with "Sex workers" rather than "Prostitutes". Feel free to add it yourself. --Pfhorrest (talk) 00:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your removing of soapboxing on rights. That was ridic. Piratejosh85 (talk) 01:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Metaphilosophical quotations

Hullo Forrest, I was wondering what you were intending on doing with the Metaphilosophy/quotations page. Masses of quotations are implausible candidates for encyclopaedia articles, and are rather frowned upon as a result. I suggested it be transwikied to the Wikiquote page on metaphilosophy, but this suggestion was rebuffed so I thought I'd see if you had any thoughts on the matter. Great work cleaning up the analytic moral philosophy articles over the past few months by the way. Regards, Skomorokh 06:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I have no particular plans for it myself, Philogo just dumped a bunch of quotes onto Metaphilosophy while we were merging it with the old Definition of Philosophy article, and rather than just delete them all (seemed like a useful resource) I moved them to a subpage. (I considered talk at first, but they're just too damn huge). I agree that transwiki sounds like a better solution. --Pfhorrest (talk) 08:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Rights

So I have a few questions. I hope you wouldn't mind entertaining them.

• ) Are you aware in undoing the recent edits on rights some of the original text from the page was lost? Specifically, the information about rights being universal and egalitarian was lost. This wasn't my addition; in fact, it was probably yours. Just wanted to bring that up.
• ) What value, if any, do you think was lost in the information removed from the page on rights. If no value, that's fine.
• ) If you find there was valuable ideas in the information you reverted, do you have plans on putting it back in some more useful/appropriate manner?

Thanks for all your work here, Piratejosh85 (talk) 03:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Josh, sorry for the big revert without much explanation, I was going to post one but something came up at work and I didn't have the time. I plan on looking over your edits and my revert and writing some more extensive comments on the talk page there tonight, if I have time, though feel free to open that discussion yourself if I don't get to it first.

Also, I was also not aware that some of the original text was lost in the revert; thanks for pointing that out.

Talk to you soon on Talk:Rights. --Pfhorrest (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you would have time to attend to these questions. I'm of the opinion that you may be right about the "essay" nature of the addition, but I believe there to be valueable information in there. No rush, just wanting to get a handle on your thoughts. Piratejosh85 (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah thank you for reminding me, I forgot all about this. Commenting in a moment... --Pfhorrest (talk) 00:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Pfhorrest, I've had a chance to look at and consider you work on Talk:Rights. I hope you'll be happy with what I've responded (I think you probably will). Would you be willing to take a look? Thanks, Piratejosh85 (talk) 01:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Pfhorrest, I think you have probably been busy. I am thinking about making the changes you proposed on rights. Do you have any objections, in light of (1)my comments here on your talk page or (2) what I wrote the rights talk page. Thanks Piratejosh85 (talk) 01:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes I have been busy, sorry. I have no objections to you making some of the compromises we discussed on Talk:Rights, and if I have any objections to any specific edits I'll just edit/comment on them myself when I have time. Thanks :-) --Pfhorrest (talk) 19:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

If and only if

Hi Pfhorrest, you reverted an edit I made on the If and only if page. I have written on the talk page (Talk:If_and_only_if#can_vs._will) as to why I made the edit. If you could please read that and then either reaffirm, or revert, your original reversion, I would appreciate it. —Iamthedeus (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Rights, Again

I agree with your deletion @ rights. Nice work and keep up the dilligence. Cheers, Piratejosh85 (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the support :-D --Pfhorrest (talk) 21:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Natural Law and Ethnocentric Ties

Please do not call my edits on the entry for natural law "vandalism." I am an Aristotle scholar. And ethnocentric ties and natural law is a fast growing body of scholarship. You may not agree with this scholarship, but it's a POV, and up to the reader to decide.--Daniel090909 (talk) 16:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I think you have me confused with User:RJC, who is the one who reverted your edits, not me. He also called your edits "original research", not "vandalism". He did however call another recent edit "vandalism", and reverted that to a version by me. Maybe that is the source of the confusion? --Pfhorrest (talk) 00:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Rights

Generally I'm dissatisfied with this article and I'll be working on it soon to get it up to speed with more sources and clarity. I thought my additions were constructive; please provide a better explanation why you reverted my edits. I'm dissatisfied with the statement that rights are only "permissions" or "entitlements" -- permissions by whom? for what? in what contexts? And I think there's a lot more to the concept of "rights" than only legal/moral aspects; I think the concept undergirds much of Western civilization.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Tom. I'm going to move this conversation to Talk:Rights, if you don't mind... see you there. --Pfhorrest (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

See you there.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand how you can equate freedom and entitlement? Freedom is our right to do as we choose within reason. Where entitlements are obligations on the government. Rights are inherent and natural freedoms that people and the government must respect and defend. Entitlements are promises by government to be provided to all eligible. The key word is eligible, only those deemed by government who determines are the beneficiaries of government goods and services. Government is limited by the people, not the all powerful who grant rights to us. --Mtnewc19 (talk) 19:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtnewc19 (talk • contribs)

Tomwsolcer's Edits

I have instituted a modified version of his edits at rights. Please review Piratejosh85 (talk) 01:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I reverted

Apologies for reverting. But you commented: "some reasoning is purely internal, not argumentative; and not all arguments appeal to reason"

1. Internal reasoning can certainly be used in philosophy. One can philosophise silently.

2. Not all arguments appeal to reason, correct. And for that very reason they are not properly philosophical.

Editor with a background in philosophy (talk) 10:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Progress (history)

Hello. I just wanted you to know I removed your listing of Progress (history) at WP:RM under Uncontested Requests because it is already subject to a still open discussion. I see you wrote "apparently was never auto-listed here by bot a the template claimed it would be" as your edit summary, but it is listed by the bot in the lower section under January 24. It should stay open for another 2 days or so and an admin will probably come along and close it shortly thereafter. Station1 (talk) 23:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Yorkshirian/ Human rights

I think the reason that this comment was removed was just automatically because Yorkshirian has just been indefinitely community banned for his edits to other articles, see Misplaced Pages:Ani#Yorkshirian so we don't really need to worry about arguing with his POV at human rights any more! Ajbpearce (talk) 21:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Human rights LGBT rights edits

Hi, I appreciate your helpful edits. I am sure you are more knowledgeable on the subject than I am. The article as it appeared when you edited it was the result of an editor who "erroneously" deleted most of the article which made it lose context. I cobbled it back together without "undo" to be cooperative and to improve the article, but forget to put back certain details and citations. When I saw your edits, I jumped to conclusions that it was another series of harassing edits rather than well meaning improvements, and that was a mistake on my part.--DCX (talk) 21:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Tommy 01:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Your art

Hey, just stopping by to say that I checked out the art you linked to on your page. I like it. I estpecially like the one that's something like psudo-self portrait. NE way, just saying I though it was cool. Good work on Rights these days also Piratejosh85 (talk) 07:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Josh, nice to know someone actually found their way to my page. If you have any comments on any of my writing there, like my philosophy book, I'd love to hear that too. --Pfhorrest (talk) 07:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Moral relativism

Oh my god, I've started to question my sanity, but triple checking the history of the article confirms it: There were two identical sections titles Arguments for meta-ethical relativism in the article. I merely removed a duplicate. So your edit seems to be based of the wrong assumption that I deleted that section entirely. Just like this poster on my talk page thought. I went over the two titles letter by letter, they were identical (compare section 4 and 8 here). --Dschwen 13:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Marathon Articles

Hey Pfhorrest, how are you? I see that you've done a little bit of editing in regards to Marathon related articles, and articles regarding philosophy. I also see that you have a good understanding on writing standards, grammar etc. In my opinion, all of the articles related to Bungie's Marathon are sub par in terms of standards, writing, and delivery, and I am currently in the process of trying to overhaul them so they can be more suitable for an encyclopedia. I wanted to ask if you could help me out by peer reviewing all the future changes I plan on making to these articles in the next coming weeks? - RiseRobotRise (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Certainly, I'd be happy. Just let me know which articles you're working on and I'll add them to my watchlist. --Pfhorrest (talk) 19:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the articles in question are Marathon Trilogy, Marathon, Marathon 2: Durandal, Marathon Infinity, and Aleph One. All of them need a lot of work done to make them suitable for an encyclopedia. Any help is appreciated. In the Aleph One page, I added in descriptions for custom netscripts , and I'd like you to take a look at here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RiseRobotRise (talk • contribs) 05:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)--RiseRobotRise (talk) 05:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Marathon Trilogy talk page is getting to be too long with conversations dating back years. The most recent topic on that page was said by me, and it garnered no response whatsoever. I am considering archiving the entire thing because it is very long and contains obsolete information and dialogue that has either been addressed or removed from the article completely. What are your thoughts? --RiseRobotRise (talk) 00:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd just set up an archive bot script with reasonable settings and let it archive things as they get old or too long automatically. --Pfhorrest (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I went ahead and created the first archive. --RiseRobotRise (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Marathon

I just added a section to Marathon. I noticed that the marathon as a leg of the full distance triathlon wasn't mentioned, so I added it. I'd appreciate if you would check it over for accuracy, grammar, etc.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 23:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: The marathon thread above caught my interest, because I'm training for the Ironman.

I think you misunderstand; the thread above is about Bungie's 1994 computer game Marathon and its sequels, spinoffs, and fan community — not about the actual running event. :-) --Pfhorrest (talk) 00:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh. :) Well, I think the real thing is better for you.  ;) The Transhumanist 22:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Outlines

Most of the outlines (short for "hierarchical outlines") on Misplaced Pages are topic outlines, though a few have evolved into a hybrid between topic and sentence outlines.

The main differences between a hierarchical outline and a prose document is format. A hierarchical outline is a type of tree structure.

They are easier (faster) to read for those who are used to or who prefer them. They also show the relationship (parental, offspringship, siblingship, etc.) between the topics presented and are therefore more useful for navigation since most of the topics are linked.

The Outline of rights is a branch of Misplaced Pages's Outline of Knowledge, which now includes over 500 outlines. They all share the same basic format.

Most outlines on a subject are more comprehensive than the article on the corresponding subject, and organized more strictly by the relationship between the topics that make up the subject.

Outlines may suffer from the same problem of incompleteness as other articles when they are first created. But if we blank the outline, then it won't be readily available for other editors to find and improve.

I didn't create this particular outline, but I would be happy to work on it.

The Transhumanist 23:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Cross-training to reduce chance of injury in marathon running

There is no mention of the benefits of cross-training in the training section of marathon.

Where do you think it would fit best?

The Transhumanist 00:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Outline of rights#Rights, by type

I'm in the process of listing rights by type in one of the section of the Outline of rights.

Please feel free to comment on the organization of the section, help reorganize it, and of course in adding rights I haven't found yet. There seem to be a great deal of rights (and Misplaced Pages articles on types of rights as well as specific rights).

The Transhumanist 00:25, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Freedom (philosophy)

Hi, now the Freedom (philosophy) redirects to a disambiguation page, could you help fix those links that now point to that disambig per WP:FIXDABLINKS? Thanks, --JaGa 22:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Human#RFC

If youre not too busy, I'd like to hear your input on a current editoral debate. The issue with the human article is that its grounded in a taxonomical approach, rather than a neutral approach. Due the excess of science-based people, I'd like to hear things from a philosophical perspective - you and CharlesGillingham come to mind. My version is currently at human being. -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 03:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. See Talk:Human#Update -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 01:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I can't seem to edit Talk:Human at the moment (too long I suspect, something keeps crashing my browser) but I have a request for you: please try to complete your edits in fewer submits, as editing piecemeal like you've been floods the watchlists of people who have "show all edits" turned on like I do. --Pfhorrest (talk) 05:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

IIRC, (can't find ATM) there's a flag in your prefs that if checked will produce an tab for the lead section of articles. Might be useful? -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 05:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

PS:"Lead section editing can be enabled through Special:Preferences → Gadgets → Add an link for the lead section of a page." -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 05:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't think that will help; I wasn't trying to edit a lede, but the whole "Human / person" section, making several comments at once. --Pfhorrest (talk) 05:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, maybe you can pass this along to Talk:Human for me, much abbreviated because I'm very upset from several browser crashes eating the longer versions: "Per WP:SPOV, we must give priority to the scientific point of view, but we must not exclude notable non-scientific points of view. Religious views on humans are clearly widespread enough for the fact that people hold those views to be notable, so they should be included: however, we must be careful not to present the issue as simply 'Science says X but Jesus says Y.' Whether the material Chris redacted was that simplistic or not is not something I have any opinion on; it did not seem perfect to be but I do not strongly object to it either." --Pfhorrest (talk) 05:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Responded at Talk:Human#sup -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 21:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again for chiming in. -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 07:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Deontology

Hi Pfhorest, we were having a short exchange of ideas here. I was wondering about your opinion concerning my point. I would like to add to the relevant parts that there is a no consent in the matter. Thanks in advance.--Faust (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Butting in

I noticed your idea of a pragmatic analysis of philosophy. I am just wondering of you know 'Über den Gemeinspruch: Das mag in der Theorie richtig sein, taugt sich aber nicht für die Praxis' by Immanuel Kant? Since pragmatic is usually wielded as a form of 'praxis' I thought it might benefit you. It benefited me, that is for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faust (talk • contribs)

Actually I have not read that, but it sounds fascinating. I agree with Kant on many issues (and disagree with him on plenty too), and hearing what he has to say about the practicality of philosophy sounds like an interesting read. The (slightly inaccurate, idiomatic) translation of that appears to be "On the Old Saw: That May Be Right in Theory but It Won't Work in Practice". I can't seem to find a version of this viewable online anywhere; before I go looking for a library copy, would you be chance happen to know somewhere I could find the full text online? Thanks. --Pfhorrest (talk) 12:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Ethics

Hi Pfhorest, I would first like to say that I appreciate your feedback. It is, much contrary to my experience, well thought out and you actually have reasons and a belief for your opinion. I am learning a thing or two and I am having fun examining my own opinion. The reason I am leaving this comment is because I have no doubt that the separation you are making is a valid one, but that it is one that is normally disputed. My teacher said that I should be carfull calling virtue ethics teleology and I am now realizing he wasn't kidding ;-) . Anyway, I would like to discuss the matter with you here and leave the talk page for a more practical approach. If we take Aristotelianism as an example, then we must conclude that his telos (eudaemonia) is the very model of 'goal' that is ment in teleology. And if we examine his Ethica Nichomachea, is it not the case that he only specifies certain points for his son as and because of examples? --Faust (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Pfhorrest, I am leaving this message because I am surprised and disappointed in the latest turn of our dispute(s). I am aware of the fact that several opinions exist on any matter. The idea is that none of these opinions should be depicted as true or moral valuable than any others. I think there is no reason why such things should not be resolved. Both opinions should be taken down as positions and we should try to agree on an impartial explanation of the general term. I am aware that this is where we have stranded, but I think that this points towards an attempt at stating mere linguistics at the introduction. Now, we are arguing that in several topics. Lets not get ahead of ourselves and simply examine the information we have and not let ourselves be stressed by arguments that some users are bringing to en.wiki from another place. These users do not know the importance of this matter, nor are interested in philosophy, nor know much about it (which is why I know the interruption is personal). I hope we can regain our philosophical distance and reach an agreement. --Faust (talk) 09:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I think this is about the latest changes to Morality, but I can't tell anymore. Faust, you have not presented any substantial references to support your version and thus there is no reason why the by substantial references supported version of this text, something largely developed I might add by Pfhorrest himself, should not be included. It seems that you cannot find consensus for what you propose Faust. If you don't have consensus then it cannot be included in the article in that way. If you want to publicize your version, might I suggest you write a scientific article on the subject and get it published by a respectable organization. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Faust,

I mean you no ill will, but I do believe your editing behavior here on Misplaced Pages is proving unconstructive. I will admit that this entire ordeal has forced me to think much about the practicality of the consensus process, not so much here on Misplaced Pages, but in general. I have long been a fan of "talking things to death" as some would say, and I agree wholeheartedly with some of your comments on other pages (the ANI noticeboard, user talk pages, etc) that majority agreement, even overwhelmingly vast majority agreement, does not constitute the truth.

But in recent times (outside of Misplaced Pages) I have realized that sometimes arguments / debates / conversations end up just spiralling in circles forever to no end; and if those discussions have any bearing on any practical action (even something as minor as building an online encyclopedia), when it reaches that point of impasse you have to withdraw from the stalled discussion and simply take action on the best course which you can determine. And when it comes to that point of action versus opposing action, whoever has the power on their side (in this case, as in many, power being equal to community support) will "win" the debate, even if an omniscient observer might have judged them in the wrong. (Too bad we don't have any omniscient observers to just settle the debate for us, eh?)

I believe we are at that point in our debate at Talk:Morality. The community consensus is clearly in support of the inclusive definition I have been arguing for, and since consensus determines content on Misplaced Pages, that is the version that should be currently in the article. I will gladly keep responding to you so long as you want to keep arguing the point on the talk page, and who knows, maybe someday you will convincingly argue your point and sway consensus around to your side. But I strongly recommend that you back down about the revert-warring; since there are many other editors arrayed against your preferred version, you will fall afoul of WP:3RR before any of us do, and nobody wants that. Since you seem to feel that we all should be comfortable having a version we disagree with as the current version while we try to convince you otherwise, surely you should feel comfortable having a version you disagree with as the current version while you continue to try to convince us otherwise?

--Pfhorrest (talk) 11:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Guys, I do not have time today, so really short: It is not me who is proposing changes, but everybody else. The change proposed is unsound, which is shown by all the sources presented, which is why the last uncontended version is correct. Please, bear with me and replace the last uncontended version for now. I will elaborate later. Apart from that I woud like to say that the things I am taking down here are not of my own hand. The things that are of my own hand would make you think I had lost it, for it is too far out of your own frame of reference. However, frames of reference are not a model for truth; quite the opposite actually. Please keep that in mind. --Faust (talk) 09:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Pfhorrest, I agree with you that a majority does not constitute truth. All we need to do is examine things until a satisfactory idea has come up. In just about all the cases I am of the opinion that you are not precise enough. I can understand an argument for generality in the basic explanations, but I think we should not be afraid of examining things to a decent level. The reason why things are said is important. Historical discussions can be easily misinterpreted, as you well know. Besides that it is not needed to argue about it too harshly. The article's can contain all ideas, as long as proper sources are present.

@DJ:Please, pay attention to what is going on. I am not the one proposing changes, the sources used to support the changes are unsound and it is not me who is placing POV's as introductions....

--Faust (talk) 17:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: I will be taking a trip the coming days, so please take your time to examine what I am saying. --Faust (talk) 17:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Magog the Ogre (talk) 12:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Request

• As you are an editor who had participated here, could you please state/explain your level of "involvement" (if any)? I'd appreciate it if you could provide a response (or a copy of it) here. Thank you, Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with these kinds of proceedings; do you want me to state something here on my talk page, or over there at the ANI? Either way, how do you define "involvement", i.e. how would I measure my level of it? In plain speech, I can say that

• I have had civil and not particularly problematic content disputes with Stevertigo at Rights
• at his request I commented on the recent dispute about his edits at Human, mostly in a facilitation/mediation capacity (meaning those words in a purely informal sense, not in any formal procedural sense there may be here on Misplaced Pages)
• I started following the ANI when a link to it was posted at Talk:Human (which was on my watchlist after commenting there), and seeing what was, from my experience with Steve, a disproportionately negative response, weighed in with an account of my more neutral experiences with him.
• I've continued to watch what's happening around him (the ANI, ArbCom, and related things I've found linked from there) unfold out of mostly idle interest. I don't feel that I have much stake in the outcome of any of the proceedings; I am interesting in seeing a fair outcome on general principle, but whatever the outcome I don't think my life at wikipedia will be affected much.
• Even if I did feel I had something at stake or some other reason to comment, I'm not sure how appropriate my commenting would be given my relative lack of involvement in the issue so far, or what the appropriate way to make further comments would be.

--Pfhorrest (talk) 11:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Metacognition

Hi Pfhorrest!

I'm a comparative newby and not feeling all that confident of my editing abilities at this point - but figured I would mention something from the metacognition entry, as I tripped across it while reading earlier tonight.

The current article cites a J.H. Flavell for first using the word, but it seems to me that the chapter in the google book I link below used it about a decade before Flavell did: http://books.google.com/books?id=j1WS_iSiSUgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:j1WS_iSiSUgC#v=onepage&q=meta&f=false

Would you mind confirming that I have half a clue, and if I do, updating the page?

Thanks!

joshshaine@netzero.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.230.118 (talk) 05:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Freedom (philosophy) again

Hi. As it stands, the Freedom (philosophy) redirect is still sending about a hundred links to the disambig. All these links need to be pointed to an article instead of the disambig. No one at the WP:DPL project has tackled it yet because we're uncomfortable with guessing which meaning was intended. Since you decided to make this redirect go to the disambig, and seem to be a specialist in this area, could you help out? WP:AWB makes the job easier, but you have to get approved to use it; Navigation popups with the popupFixDabs flag set to true is also very helpful (and doesn't require approval). Thanks. --JaGa 09:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for not responding last time, was in the middle of some hectic stuff and then overlooked this. I'll try to give it a shot by the end of this week. Thanks for the links to AWB and Popups, I'll give them a look. --Pfhorrest (talk) 19:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Just noting that I've not forgotten this. Started a new job last week, then got sick-- derailed my intentions. I'll try to address it this week. --Pfhorrest (talk) 02:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks much. It's very appreciated, because this is a really tough one that needs expert attention. --JaGa 11:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

BTW, same thing happened to me when I took my last consulting gig. I think stress lowers your immune system. A lot. Take care! --JaGa 01:08, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Person

Hi Pfhorrest, thanks for integrating my text on this article with the previous version, and for the other changes. It's clear that you care about this topic, so I've put a note on the Discussion page which I hope clarifies what I was trying to do with it. Best, Walkinxyz (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Pfhorrest, there's another rambling post about this topic in the discussion page. But I think if you see my point about "recognition" coming from a normative, rather than empirical standpoint, everything will make sense to you. Persons have to be recognized as such, if they meet the criteria of personhood. And what recognition means is inclusion in the franchise of personhood (not just in a "set" of plural persons). Helps a little?

Thanks for your patience. Walkinxyz (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Walkinxyz,

Just so you know, you don't need to notify me here when you make a response. I've got Talk:Person on my watchlist and check it daily, so I'll see your response in my regular rounds.

Thanks. --Pfhorrest (talk) 02:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 TyrS  chatties  08:50, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Moral Relativism

The article intro is still too hard to read. The problem is that you majored in this topic. Please consider that many of the people who want to read about it are amateurs at philosophy. Please write for others as much as for yourself.

Regards, KeithCu (talk) 11:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Relativism & Objectivity

An objective relativism would be one with an objective independent variable. Robert Nozick's space-time truth value relativism seems like an example of this. Warm Worm (talk) 21:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Forest!

Just randomly realised who you were. Thought I'd pop by to shake hands with someone who did a lot of good for Myth, via your venerable website :). I came along to Myth a little after your involvement would have stopped (mostly), but y'as still a dude. (Chill (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC))

Modern philosophy

Regarding this, I'm afraid it's insufficient. Protecting the article requires administrator attention, but as I happen to agree with you, the article is now semi-protected for another months. Favonian (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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	For being unwaveringly productive Tesseract(talk) 03:32, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! This is my first Barnstar :-D I will display it proudly on my main user page. --Pfhorrest (talk)

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Talkback

WhiteWriter 12:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Person

Hi, There was a question about Person and Personhood having the same information. I was simply moving all the Personhood information to that page. USchick (talk) 04:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

You are making some very controversial changes to a sensitive article. I am writing a reply to you on Talk:Person, please wait for me to finish before making any other changes. --Pfhorrest (talk) 04:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't mean to create waves. I'm happy to leave it for now. USchick (talk) 04:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Discrimination

I can fully understand your feeling about "majority" not being the right word. I however don't quite think that advantaged is either. Not that advantaged people don't get discriminated against. Using the word advantaged to refer to someone being discrimated against just dosn't feel right in my opinion-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 09:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you please make this comment on Talk:Discrimination instead. Other editors aren't going to be looking at my user talk page for responses to my comment there. --Pfhorrest (talk) 20:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Per your project phil free will post

Per you post on project philosophy, Please let me know on my talk page if you need help avoiding an edit war reverting changes that are unsupported by sources or violate WP:Undue. My wathclist is too full for me to be responsive by just adding the free will to it, so I might not know if you need assistance otherwise. :) PPdd (talk) 21:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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Free Will contretempts

Just wanted to let you know I respect the lengths to which you're going in order to treat Syamsu civilly. Garamond Lethe (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you :-) --Pfhorrest (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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For the record if anybody is watching: this was intentional, as there are several successively narrower senses of "moral objectivism", any of which may apply in the context used there. --Pfhorrest (talk) 04:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Moral relativism 2

Mr Forrest, although you have expertise in the field of ethics I would like to ask you: Have you ever heard the Pope denouncing the meta-ethical relativism of our age? You have not. Perhaps because this sounds rather technical, outside of the mileu of professional philosophy, journalists, commentators and broadcasters use the expression 'moral relativism' instead. We do not hear Christian commentators displaying deep concern for our civilization's dangerous slide into 'meta-ethical relativism.' Have a look at the following: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4460673.stm or this http://www.moralrelativism.info/ or this http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Moral+Relativism . So as you can see the claim that Moral relativism as it is conceived in popular discourse refers to the point of view that there is no absolute basis (or objective criteria) for judging the moral quality of human actions and therefore that morality is a subjective notion relative to culture, history and circumstance, is uncontroversial. The edit you are proposing contains accurate information but it does not cater to people looking for a concise definiton in both scholarly and lay terms. The Misplaced Pages manual of style states that the lead section "should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is interesting or notable" and "be written in a clear, accessible style". Your introduction, since it does not address the layman, does not do this. Even if the 'plebs' don't know what they're talking about they need to be gently coaxed into the realm of the blessed 81.106.127.14 (talk) 22:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I will reply to this at Talk:Moral relativism as that is the more appropriate venue for discussing the article content. --Pfhorrest (talk) 05:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Person

I'd like to work with you on the person article. Boethius's comment is nonetheless rather relevant to the concept of person, and should be included. -Stevertigo (t | c) 07:38, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing. Make a case on the talk page there and I'll respond. --Pfhorrest (talk) 07:41, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Responded at Talk:Person#What_belongs_in_the_lede_here.3F - Stevertigo (t | c) 08:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Responded at the person talk page. -Stevertigo (t | c) 09:17, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Ive responded at my talk page. -Stevertigo (t | c) 16:56, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Ive commented at Talk:Time#Vague introduction sentence, Essential questions -Stevertigo (t | c) 17:28, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey thanks for your presence and efforts at Time.

I am not sure, but I think now is the time to assert and dispel the notion that these POV pushers have that their default definition is a consensus definition. Their definition (that is the least supported by sources outside of experimental physics) really reflects POV. I am convinced that to be the most NPOV, the lede definition must be drawn from common and neutral sources and in the case of something as ubiquitous as time, that common and neutral source is the dictionary. Anyone who wants to push a lede definition that varies widely from the dictionaries is saying that they know better than the lexicographers. There are other articles (e.g. Marraige) that reflect this kinda I-know-better-than-the-dictionary bias in the lede. That is, in my opinion, the biggest shame of the Misplaced Pages project.

Please don't abandon Time to the POV pushers. Thanks. 71.169.190.154 (talk) 18:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)