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• Syrian uprising (2011–present):
  • Major General Hisham Ikhtiyar, the head of Syrian national security, dies of wounds he received from a bombing in the capital Damascus on July 18. (BBC)
  • Thousands of people flee the country. (Financial Times)
  • Fighting continues in Damascus and other cities. (Al Jazeera)
  • The United Nations Security Council extends the United Nations Supervision Mission in Syria for 30 days. (Al Jazeera)
• 2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting
  • A gunman opens fire at a movie premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colorado, killing at least 12 people and injuring 59 others. (BBC) (CNN)
• South Thailand insurgency:
  • Bomb and shooting attacks kill two people and wound four in southern Thailand. (Naharnet)
• At least 13 people are killed in clashes in Duékoué and a camp for displaced people in Ivory Coast. (IOL)
• Amnesty International says Muslim Rohingyas in western Burma have been subject to attacks and arbitrary arrests. (BBC)

• The Olympic Torch arrives in London for the final stages of the UK-wide relay ahead of the 2012 Summer Olympics. (BBC)

• DirecTV and Viacom agree to a long-term deal for DirecTV to carry Viacom channels. (CNN)

• 21 people were killed and 29 others were injured in bus accident in the Mexican state of Nayarit. (Fox News)

• The custody of three anti-Putin protesters from the Pussy Riot group is extended for another six months before their trial begins. (RIA Novosti) (AP via Google News)
• David Burgess, already serving life imprisonment on two counts of murder, is given a fresh life sentence after being convicted of the 1966 murder of Yolande Waddington, a nanny from Berkshire, England. (BBC)

2012 Aurora shooting

• Nominated by Eugen Simion 14 (talk · give credit)

• Strongest oppose possible Not significant, other mass shootings around the world are not featured here, no need for this to be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎92.20.103.37 (talk) 10:43, 20 July 2012
• Support - Many victims and seem significant, had it been less casulaties I would have agreed that a mention at ITN would not be suitable..--BabbaQ (talk) 09:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support sigh, another day another gun crime, but at least 14 dead at the new Batman premiere is going to shake things up a lot. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support - This is a very notable mass shooting, large numbers of deaths/injuries and the fact it happened at a movie screening is making this one more newsworthy for some media. BritishWatcher (talk) 09:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support: Highly unusual shooting with multiple deaths (yeah believe what you want but shootings of this nature are NOT common in the US). Top story on the BBC right now. --Τασουλα (talk) 09:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support Over a dozen killed in a movie theater. This is being reported front-page of several international outlets as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Article needs a ton of expansion. The Moose is loose! 10:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

To be expected, lots of conflicting accounts means it might take a while. --Τασουλα (talk) 10:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Not an unusual shooting - mass shootings in America are the norm not the exception. Not many people killed, but the number is only an estimate (for one thing) and to be expected in a confined space (for another). Only high profile because of the movie, not the event itself. Also - this nomination and the article reeks of RECENTISM and Misplaced Pages is NOTNEWS doktorb _words 10:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Still many articles on Misplaced Pages is based on news entirely. So NOTNEWS should really be removed as a policy in my opinion.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Personally, the entire ITN/C system needs to be updated and clarified more. Someone even wanted it abolished until not long ago. --Τασουλα (talk) 11:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Ugh I know, we dumb Americans have mass shootings all the damn time! In fact, I was killed in three mass shootings just this morning! Thank you, kind Brit, for being genetically superior. --Golbez (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support pending update the article is the minimum now, would like to see it bulk up a little. This wasn't your "normal massacre in America", this was an assault with tear gas and body armour. --76.110.201.132 (talk) 10:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: The article is currently too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support. Significant enough (much more than some keyboardist dying...) Main news item in UK at the moment. Article needs expansion as reliable sources are published. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Comment "Only high profile because of the movie, not the event itself" .. dumbfounded. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Uhm, nope, it's high profile because 14 people were mass murdered in a public place in a country where such things are uncommon. --76.110.201.132 (talk) 11:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Martin didn't make that comment originally. And yeah, shootings of this type are very uncommon in the US. Exceptional circumstances. How can people complain about other shootings happening in the world and not getting reported here when they aren't even nominated? Calm down people. --Τασουλα (talk) 11:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Hurrr, the top-three noms don't have the template boxes. Can we get em' installed? ^_^ --Τασουλα (talk) 11:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll do it when I get to work if no one does it first. --76.110.201.132 (talk) 11:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. --Τασουλα (talk) 11:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Done Tombo7791 (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose unless the Yanks finally get their act together and some serious federal gun control finally gets enacted as a result of this. That would be newsworthy indeed.--72.196.97.7 (talk) 12:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

  Maybe we can have gun laws like Norway? --Golbez (talk) 13:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

This is really not a competition. AlexTiefling (talk) 14:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose It's in America. Mass shootings are not news. Posting this so rapidly is pure US centrism. There is no way on earth this would have been posted so rapidly if it had happened in another country. Being in America makes it less justified, not more. It's quite immoral what's happened here. HiLo48 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

You know, I don't understand this (frankly) bullshit that the United States is chock-full of mass shootings. I would say an argument could be made that shootings on this level are regular and unreported in Sudan or Pakistan but certainly not in the United States. 12 to 14 deaths at present with ten more in critical or grave conditions is not anything close to the ordinary and is the worst attack since the Virginia Tech shooting five years ago. Obvious 'support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Support. The problems with American gun law are not an excuse for not reporting on genuinely serious incidents. Let's have less of arguably-racist epithets like 'yanks', and more patience and sense. And frankly, if this had happened here in the UK, where gun laws are much tighter, it would be even more newsworthy, and I'd expect it to get posted just as fast, if not faster. AlexTiefling (talk) 12:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

If mass shootings are not news because "It's America" and they happen hourly, then neither is someone dying, ever. Propose you vote to oppose every single death that comes up on ITN, no matter how much cricket they may have played. --Golbez (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

This is arguably the stupidest thing I've ever read on Misplaced Pages, full stop. The fact that people are actually trotting out an argument like "it's America therefore it doesn't matter" is shameful. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 19:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Belated support Top story on Le Monde, 2nd highest story on Al Jazeera, etc. Media worldwide clearly sees this as a significant event; as usual, those Misplaced Pages editors who feel they know what's news better than the news should perhaps check the news. Khazar2 (talk) 12:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

You're not late. The posting was obscenely early due to US domination of this page. HiLo48 (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can tell this is the only U.S. item on the ITN section of the front page right now. Where's the US domination?--WaltCip (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

It was the massive US excitement machine that posted this insanely early without a sensible discussion period. HiLo48 (talk) 13:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yeah, I can't understand the hysteria over this one. An event that's dominating headlines around the world, posted during the hours that most of the US is asleep, and we still have editors insisting that they know better than journalists what the "real news" is and that this piece is only up because of U.S. conspiracy--bizarre. Khazar2 (talk) 13:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Correction needed- Can someone please change at least 14 to at least 12, media sources have changed in the past hour to revise down figures. the article also now says 12 rather than 14. BritishWatcher (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Again demonstrating the problem with the ridiculously hasty posting of this item. HiLo48 (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

"Welcome to the circus that is ITN/C"...and why are we WHISPERING?...--Τασουλα (talk) 13:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Or welcome to the world of chaotic crisis reporting that almost always revises death tolls up or down after a shooting. Jesus. Therequiembellishere (talk) 13:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Done, thank you. --Bongwarrior (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, there are also now conflicting reports about the injured... with some reports saying the police have said "Approximately 50 total persons were shot, including the deceased" which would make the 50 others inaccurate. Perhaps to avoid needing to make too many changes to the ITN section it might be simpler to say "and dozens injured" instead? BritishWatcher (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Or "and injuring dozens more.", or something like that. BritishWatcher (talk) 12:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Could have avoided the whole problem with a little more patience. HiLo48 (talk) 12:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

You didn't want us to be patient. You wanted us not to post it at all. Why not be a little more patient yourself, and refrain from leaping in so frequently to this discussion? You accusations of US-centrism are poorly-founded. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree...these accusation of bias are getting boring now. It seems we can't have a nom here without them. Play nice HiLo. --Τασουλα (talk) 13:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

In cases like this, or the bus attack a few days ago, where there are numbers of civilians injured/killed, the tolls will change as investigation continues, people are unable to recover and die in hospitals, and other factors like that. There's nothing wrong with ITN change those; the core story and its impact as an ITN story remain the same. What would be bad if we had rushed a news item where it turned out the news item was completely in the wrong due to a wild rumor or similar assertion. --MASEM (t) 13:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Suggest pulling and waiting the numbers of dead and wounded are being constantly revised, I suggest pulling this and waiting until we have an undeniable casualty report. The BBC article now says 38 wounded, (instead of the 50 in the blurb). Tombo7791 (talk) 13:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Why? Its the main news on all media. Should Misplaced Pages be above other major medias with reliabilitywhich covers this?--BabbaQ (talk) 13:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

No, Misplaced Pages is not like the media. As an encyclopedia it is obliged to provide facts, not reports. Tombo7791 (talk) 13:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

The way so much of ITN/C is conducted it makes you wonder what exactly its purpose is. --Τασουλα (talk) 13:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

We have a ITN section but we dont report on news is often the logic for many users. Its twisted in my opinion.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

The key is that we want ITN to point to topics that are in the media not to be news reporters but hopefully to draw readers to look over said articles and improve them with new content. As I pointed out above: the basic facts about this incident are unchanged: a guy opened fire in a crowded movie theater on the premiere of a highly anticipated movie, injuring/killing dozens. Whether its exactly 12 or 14 dead, or 50 or 60 injures, there's already some news-worthiness that has been met (ignoring the prevalence of US-centric type news here for the moment). I'm watching twitter and there's already worldwide fall out from the event (eg the main Paris red-carpet premiere cancelled, NYC enlisting officers to cover theaters tonight, the tie-in to video game violence being thrown around), all which are pieces that would help support the developing article which by now has already otherwise passed notability per NEVENT. Thus, even if a story is still breaking but we are sure it is an article-worthy news event, we should post to ITN as long as we're 100% assured that the core event did occur; the details may change over the next day or so, but you can't change that that event did happen. --MASEM (t) 13:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with the worthiness, I just don't like the use of specific numbers. With the constant revising they would require astute updating, I suggest using something less specific such as "killing at least 12 people, wounding dozens more." Tombo7791 (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Therequiembellishere (talk) 14:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I support that wording too. I agree that it was probably not a good idea to put the specific number of injured up on the ITN and it should have just been general like dozens more. In the case of the figures for the deaths, all media orgs were saying 14 for many hours, so it was valid to include that and correct once it was revised down,, but the numbers injured are too open to change. BritishWatcher (talk) 14:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Although the article has now changed to say 53 injured compared to the 38 a little while ago. Highlights why is best not to be too specific. injuring or wounding dozens more works best and if they want more details they can go to the article. BritishWatcher (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I think the story should stay up. I'm finding all these attempts to undermine it to be quite peculiar. This is obviously an event of such significance that it merits its own article; it's receiving worldwide media coverage; and good sources are easy to find. As the facts are updated, we can update too. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I've no opinion on the merits of the story, but I do recognise that people may not be happy with such a speedy posting. Nomination to posting took two hours. It is difficult to assert that a valid consensus has been established in such a time period: this is not a shoe-in nomination by any stretch of the imagination - if this had happened in Afghanistan would we have posted it so quickly? On blance I suspect that this should be posted but indecent haste before people have a chance to air their views does not create goodwill. Crispmuncher (talk) 14:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC).

I think it was posted in a reasonable time and not rushed. The change from 14, to 12 certainly was something all news organisations had to do too. But on such incidents it would always be best to avoid being too specific on the number of injuries which can change far more radically than deaths. BritishWatcher (talk) 14:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

The opposes and post-posting opposes here are unbelievable. I know that it's a common perception or stereotype, especially outside the U.S., that you can't walk anywhere in the U.S. without getting shot at, but that's just not true. A shooting of this magnitude in the United States is unusual, even if less so than in some other countries. The idea that this was posted too quickly is absurd. This item had far more support than most items receive in the 24-48 hours we let them languish before posting, and it was not posted at a time—as frequently claimed—when most Americans are awake, and everyone else is not. If a shooting in Afghanistan had received such high support so quickly and with an article of such length, it would have been posted just the same—and no one would have complained about it. -- tariqabjotu 15:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support This got posted before I woke up, but I wanted to add on that I agree it's top news. Both Obama and Romney are commenting on it. Shootings at movie theaters (was the guy dressed as Bane) are rare and the damage is catastrophic. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

What a stupid comment. How does the fact that Obama and Romney commented on it make it not US centrism and not rushed? The US allows people to carry guns far more than any other western democracy. It makes it more likely that these events will happen. Americans need to have the good manners to compare their gun incidents and culture with those in other countries. I've NEVER seen an incident elsewhere posted so quickly. That rapid posting has made calm discussion impossible. It put those supporting the decision instantly on the defensive. HiLo48 (talk) 22:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

'Americans need to have the good manners to compare their gun incidents and culture with those in other countries.' Really? I'm a Brit, and I wholeheartedly endorse the punctual posting of this story. Please stop making this some kind of ridiculous pond war, HiLo. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Pond war? What's that? Another parochial thing? I just want a better encyclopaedia. HiLo48 (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Good, because my exact thought in reading your two dozen comments on American conspiracies, manners, gun laws, etc. was, "Wow, this sure makes Misplaced Pages a better encyclopedia; I'm glad this guy's not wasting his time updating an article somewhere". Khazar2 (talk) 23:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

No, you don't, or else you would have ended your anti-American crusade ages ago when people told you to. Consensus when this was posted disagrees with you. Consensus now disagrees with you. There are people from a variety of nationalities involved with this discussion, and most of those without an axe to grind have pointed out the unusual nature of this event. At the same time, the article was developed unusually quickly and support at ITN/C appeared unusually fast (despite being at a time most Americans were asleep). So, it gets posted. End of story. It wasn't because Americans are provincial. It's not because Americans don't think violence occurs in their country. It's because it got the support and update this section requires. I don't know what got you on this anti-American crusade, but your remarks here are annoying, insulting, and unhelpful. If you can't bear to see items that happen in the United States on the Main Page of Misplaced Pages, turn off your computer and go do something more productive -- i.e. anything else. -- tariqabjotu 23:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

HiLo48: if you want a "better encyclopedia", try following WP:CIVIL. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Now it's an attack on me, rather than what I said. Who's being uncivil? Those of you interested in a more mature discussion on at least part of this issue may want to go here. HiLo48 (talk) 00:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Given this has been posted, can we have a more informative blurb? The shooter apparently had a batman obsession. Can we say "A gunman injures 50 and kills at least 13 people at a showing of the Batman film The Dark Knight Rises in the U.S. state of Colorado"? There is no reason to waste space with the redundant "opens fire" and the showing of the film is more specific than and implies the venue. μηδείς (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I think I can go one better: At least 13 people are killed in a shooting at a film premiere in Colorado. The number of people injured seems to vary widely at the moment depending on where you get your news. The other details can be found in the article. Formerip (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I like the shorter version, but think specific is better: At least 13 people are killed in a shooting at a Batman: The Dark Knight Rises premiere in Colorado. μηδείς (talk) 18:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support keeping it the way it is The timing of the posting was fine; as more information regarding number dead/injured changes, the blurb can be adjusted by an admin easily at any time. This should be expected with any current event where information is constantly changing. While it's true that the information needs to be factual, it makes ITN useless if the story that is on the front page of every news outlet isn't on ITN (unless of course there is no article, but that wasn't the case here). I also like the blurb the way it is, or as FormerIP mentioned, just mention that it was at a film premier. The fact that it happened to be the premier of The Dark Knight Rises doesn't matter; it could have been the premier of The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie and it wouldn't have been any less significant. Also, to those complaining about this, why does the fact that this occurred in the US make it less notable? Is it really that common in the US to read the news, come across a major shooting and go "Oh look, another mass shooting like the one we had a few days ago, ho-hum." Would this have really been any more significant if this happened in Canada, or the UK? -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 18:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Belated support The quality of the article and the prevalence in news sources make this a clearly ITN-worthy event. --Jayron32 19:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Belated support Looks like a very strong article about a noteworthy incident that is very much "in the news". LukeSurl 21:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Do not add the movie to blurb. Its fine as is. Dark knight playing behind the shooter is not the reason this got posted. -- Ashish-g55 22:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Comment Who said the reason why this got posted is because of the Dark Knight? What is relevant here is relevancy. How does telling our readers this happened in the State of Colorado (as if there's something about the water there) tell them more than letting them know the Killer dyed his hair to resemble the Joker as portrayed in the series and announced himself as such to the audience? As it is, letting our readers know that the killer "opened fire" at a film, but not mentioning what film is a huge journalism 101 fail. "Opened fire" should be removed as redundant and the film should be mentioned as it has everything to do with the killer's motivation. μηδείς (talk) 22:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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